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brassmonkey

Hi Aberdeen-- Thanks for dropping by my thread with some encouragement.  It's just a blip with extenuating circumstances  and will clear up.  It sounds like you're doing really well overall.  Getting back to the painting will be a real plus, I've noticed the creativity and drive to create is really starting to kick in. I almost have too many projects to keep track of.  Sorting out the "what's WD and what's real life" is a bit of a challenge, it calls for a total change in ones thinking as we cant blame WD anymore and have to actually do something about the problem.

 

Wishing you continued improvements

((((((((((((HUGS)))))))))))

 

Brass


20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013.

Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks.  The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better.

Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017

 

"It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general."  Stephen Hawking

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LexAnger

You made my day Aberdeen! 

I'm so happy for you that you won the battle finally even it saddens me with this long fighting! 

 

You are a true hero and thank you very much for the inspiring update and hope you gave to everyone on the road still. 

 

Love,

Lex


Drug free Sep. 23 2017

2009 Mar.: lexapro 10mg for headache for 2 weeks.

2009-2012: on and off 1/4 to 1/3 of 10mg

2012 June--2013 Jan,: 1/4-1/3 of 10mg generic, bad jaw pain

2013 Jan-Mar: 10 mg generic. severe jaw and head pain;

2013 Mar--Aug. started tapering (liquid ever since) from 10 to 5 (one step) then gradually down to 2.25 mg by July. first ever panic attack, severe head/jaw pain

2013 Aug.: back to 2.75 mg; Nov: back to Brand Lex. 2.75mg -- 3mg,

2014 June: stopped PPI, head pressure/numbness. up-dosed 4.5mg, severe reaction mental symptoms added on

2014 Aug--2015 Aug: Micro taper down to 3.2mg, .025mg (<1%) cut holding 2-3 weeks.

2015 Aug 15th, Accidental one dose of 4.2mg. worsening brain non-functional, swollen head, body, coma like, DR

2016 Feb., started dosing 10am through 11 pm everyday 2/13--3.2mg, 3/15-- 2.9mg, 4/19-- 2.6mg, 6/26--2.2mg, 7/22 --1.9mg, 8/16--1.8mg,8/31--1.7m g, 9/13--1.6mg, 9/27--1.5mg, 10/8--1.4mg, 10/14--1.3mg, 11/1--1.2mg, 11/29--1.1mg, 12/12--1mg, 12/22--0.9mg

2017: 1/7--0.8mg, 1/15--0.7mg, 1/17--0.6mg, 1/20--0.52, 1/21--0.4mg, 1/22--0.26, 1/23--0.2, 2/13--0.13mg, 2/20--0.06mg, 3/18--0.13mg, 6/1--0.12mg, 7/6--0.1mg, 7/14--0.08mg, 8/17--0.04mg, 8/20--0.03mg, 8/28--0.02mg, 9/6--0.0205mg, 9/8--0.02mg, 9/17--0.015mg, 9/20--0.01mg, 9/21--0.0048mg, 9/22--0.0001mg,

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Downbutnotout
8 hours ago, aberdeen said:

Thought it was time for an update. I am now 20 months off all meds, after a long slow taper. I can honestly say that the improvements are still coming and actually surprise me, because I figured I healed as good as I could by the end of my taper. I still get anhedonia, irritability,depression,moderate anxiety during pms (but I dont attribute this to wd really). Otherwise, I am free! I almost never have DR anymore and that was a constant companion for years. I wake up with mild anxiety still but this could be perimenopause along with the pms. I do find myself thinking about painting all the time, and moving towards getting things going in my life that would force me into a routine of it. That is huge! I never felt I would care about art again. I enjoy music again and feel totally joyful when surrounded by nature again. I can travel with next to no anxiety and depression, when I feel it, is very short lived and not nearly as dark as it once was. I was writing to someone recently and realized that my darkest days (years) of wd are becoming hard to recall, which is amazing. I'm living proof that a slow taper is doable, and that life afterwards gets better. The real healing began after I reached zero. 

Good for you! 


 

2001 Remeron , Celexa, prozac a week on lithium. 

2014 went off effexor and trazadone in 3 weeks. 

2014 zoloft (hyper reaction) put on effexor 75 mg. Was stable until 2017 

2017  Trazadone 50 mg (June) Effexor to 113 mg (2 weeks) Effexor 150 mg for a month . Took 75 mg until November. . Lithium 10 days, Lamactil 10 day  aug-nov15 ativan

October : Prozac bridge to get off 75 mg of effexor Used 10 mg of prozac. Stopped prozac 3 wk 

Dec 6, 7 Upped trazadone from 50 to 100 mg Did it for 3 days Stopped it

Dec 7 , Dec 8 Took prozac again 0.1 , 0.1, 0.6 stopped it

Dec 11 and Dec 12 upped it to 100 again

Dec 15 , 16,17 went back to 50 mg of trazadone

December 18 Began 3 beads of effexor  Dec 25 began 5 beads of effexor take 10 mg of omneprazole daily

 

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peng

Wow, wonderful & inspiring, Aberdeen!

Best wishes for continuing bliss with "real life".


Born 1945. 

1999 - First Effexor/Venlafaxine

2016 Withdrawal research. Effexor.  13Jul - 212.5mg;  6Aug - 200.0mg;  24Aug - 187.5mg;  13Sep - 175.0mg;  3Oct - 162.5mg;  26Oct - 150mg 

2017  9Jan - 150.00mg;  23Mar - 137.50mg;  24Apr - 125.00mg;  31May - 112.50mg holding;  3Sep - 100.00mg;  20Sep - 93.75mg;  20Oct - 87.5mg;  12Nov - 81.25mg;  13 Dec - 75.00mg

2018  18Jan - 69.1mg; 16Feb - 62.5mg; 16March - 57.5mg (-8%); 22Apr - 56.3mg(-2%); CRASHED - Updose 29May - 62.5mg; Updose - 1Jul - 75.0mg. Updose - 2Aug - 87.5mg. Updose - 27Aug - 100.0mg. Updose - 11Oct 112.5mg. Updose - 6Nov 125.00mg

2019 Updoses 19 Jan - 150.0mg. 1April - 162.5mg. 24 April - Feeling better - doing tasks, getting outside.  7 May - usual depression questionnaire gives "probably no depression" result.

Supps/Vits  Omega 3;  Chelated Magnesium;  Prebiotics/Probiotics, Vit D3. 

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Happy2Heal

Great update Aberdeen

so very happy for you!

thanks so much for sharing this, it gives the newbies, esp, a lot of hope 

(and me too, as I'm just a few months off. I am excited to know that things could get even better than they've been. I have some minor, tiny short waves but most of the time, I feel really good and for lack of a better term, "normal")

 

:)

 


  • pysch med history: 1974 @ age 18 to Oct 2017 (approx 43 yrs total)
  •  Drug list: stelazine, haldol, elavil, lithium, zoloft, celexa, lexapro(doses as high as 40mgs), klonopin, ambien, seroquel(high doses), depakote, zyprexa, lamictalBrief trials of dozens of other psych meds over the years
  • started lexapro 2002, dose varied from 20mgs to 40mgs. I tried to get off it several times. WD symptoms were mistaken for "relapse". 
  •  2013 tapered down to 5mg but WD forced me back to 20mgs
  •  June of 2105, tapered again, too rapidly to 2.5mgs by Dec 2015. Found SA, held at 2.5 mgs til May 2016 when I foolishly "jumped off". Crashed in Sept, reinstated at 0.3mgs in Oct. 2106
  • Tapered off to zero by  Oct. 2017 Doing very well
  • Nov. 2018 feel 95% healed, current age 63 
  • Jan. 2020 feel 100% healed, peaceful and content 
 

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aberdeen

Thanks everyone! It's true Brass, we can opnly blame wd for so much for so long. My life is not perfect, and sometimes I feel changed by this experience for the worse (or maybe sometimes the better?). I'm way more cynical and somewhere along the way I learned how to escape from my own head, which was necessary for survival when life inside my head was a landmine. But now I have to re-learn some things and its not easy. I tend to want to stay out of my head, and have to un-learn some avoidance behaviour. And sometimes I am still very much unmotivated.. I am now thinking and feeling more than I have in years, but acting on it is still lagging. I can't tell if this is residual anhedonia, my current age and hormonal place, or learned behaviour. Foe so long, action was impossible because I was preoccupied with trying to raise children, act "normal" when I was constantly intensely anxious/ depressed/disoriented with daily DR....now I feel content to stare into space and do a whole lot of nothing unless I have to (like go to work or tend to necessary things obviously). But there's a peacefulness, almost necessity to it. I can"t tell if its a good thing or a bad thing. I just know that I don't have the mental energy to tackle "fun", or engage like I once did, nor the need. At least not right now. Maybe its residual healing that needs to happen or a sort of "after shock". Maybe there's an area between horrible suffering, and full blown positive living, where the energy that was drained well below empty has to replenish before being spent in a new way. But, its nothing like the wd days, and yet....not exactly like the days before it either. I'm happpy to be where I am though, and the fact that I hardly remember how awful it was, and how terrifying every day felt, my life is amazing now in comparison. I know that coming off slowly was the key to keeping the worst symptoms in check. Its definitely the only way to do this.


2 Timothy 1-7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

Effexor 75mg to 262.5mg 2005-2010 for post partum depression

Started having poop out mid 2010, also switched generic brands, then crashed in Dec 2010 (anxiety/ "terror", intense DR, anhedonia, suicidal ideation, chills, insomnia, horrible intrusive thoughts, disorientation, ect)
Rapid "tapered" from 262.5mg Effexor in 3 months

Tried Celexa,Cipralex, then Paxil to deal with wd(this switching made things worse and added akathesia)

Found online support and started tapering Paxil 7 months after quitting Effexor (at this point was having small windows).

Paxil taper: dropped 10% every 4-8 weeks

Year 1 October 2011 to Nov 2012 20mg to 10mg

Year 2 March 2013 to Feb 2014 10mg to 4mg

Year 3 April 2014 to May 2015 4mg to 1.1mg

Year 4 June 2015 1.1mg , dropping by 10% until .5mg, after then dropped by 0.1mg every 5 weeks until 0.1mg.

Finished! Official last dose of 0.1mg on June 15/16

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Songbird

That is great to hear!  Interesting theory about needing time to rest and replenish your energy.


2001–2002 paroxetine

2003  citalopram

2004-2008  paroxetine (various failed tapers) 
2008  paroxetine slow taper down to

2016  Aug off paroxetine
2016  citalopram May 20mg  Oct 15mg … slow taper down
2018  citalopram 13 Feb 4.6mg 15 Mar 4.4mg 29 Apr 4.2mg 6 Jul 4.1mg 17 Aug 4.0mg  18 Nov 3.8mg
2019  15 Mar 3.6mg  21 May 3.4mg  26 Dec 3.2mg 

2020  19 Feb 3.0mg 19 July 2.9mg  16 Sep 2.8mg  25 Oct 2.7mg

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brassmonkey

I have to agree.  Going through a taper is a very physically grueling experience that leaves us beyond exhausted.  Once we are free of the drugs our body can start to relax, recharge and rebuild.  There will be a down time for many months after hitting "0" where we are just not capable of doing much more than just resting.  I have noticed over the past nine months, that is exactly what is happening.  I was exhausted to start with but slowly I am getting my strength back and able to do more things for a longer period of time.  But I still have to pace myself and take a lot of breaks to keep from "hitting the wall".  Mental clarity and motivation are increasing weekly.  Emotions are coming back in a big way and require sorting, relearning and understanding. Not to mention socializing.  Being happy to be alive and actively engaged in the world again is such a wonderful feeling, but over whelming at the same time.  There is still so much sorting, understanding and fitting in yet to do, but like everything else it has to be done ones bit at a time.

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20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013.

Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks.  The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better.

Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017

 

"It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general."  Stephen Hawking

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On 2/20/2018 at 11:05 PM, aberdeen said:

Thanks everyone! It's true Brass, we can opnly blame wd for so much for so long. My life is not perfect, and sometimes I feel changed by this experience for the worse (or maybe sometimes the better?). I'm way more cynical and somewhere along the way I learned how to escape from my own head, which was necessary for survival when life inside my head was a landmine. But now I have to re-learn some things and its not easy. I tend to want to stay out of my head, and have to un-learn some avoidance behaviour. And sometimes I am still very much unmotivated.. I am now thinking and feeling more than I have in years, but acting on it is still lagging. I can't tell if this is residual anhedonia, my current age and hormonal place, or learned behaviour. Foe so long, action was impossible because I was preoccupied with trying to raise children, act "normal" when I was constantly intensely anxious/ depressed/disoriented with daily DR....now I feel content to stare into space and do a whole lot of nothing unless I have to (like go to work or tend to necessary things obviously). But there's a peacefulness, almost necessity to it. I can"t tell if its a good thing or a bad thing. I just know that I don't have the mental energy to tackle "fun", or engage like I once did, nor the need. At least not right now. Maybe its residual healing that needs to happen or a sort of "after shock". Maybe there's an area between horrible suffering, and full blown positive living, where the energy that was drained well below empty has to replenish before being spent in a new way. But, its nothing like the wd days, and yet....not exactly like the days before it either. I'm happpy to be where I am though, and the fact that I hardly remember how awful it was, and how terrifying every day felt, my life is amazing now in comparison. I know that coming off slowly was the key to keeping the worst symptoms in check. Its definitely the only way to do this.

Hello Dear Aberdeen,

I am very Gald to know your thread.

I am tapering.

I am at 0.625 of olanzapine.

So far I am using 2.5m.g tablets to cut with pill cutter.

It is difficult to cut more than 0.625 accurately.

Please help with the math.

How much water I have to mix to 2.5 mg tablet to take out 0.625 mg and further 10% m.gs accurately with syringe?

Can you please help with the math?

Thank you.

 

 


Cold turkeyed risperidone (1m.g)and trihexyphenidyl combination drug out of ignorance,In August 2016 after one month use.

Withdrawal symptoms settled at dreamful,disturbing sleep.

Thus introduced to olanzapine for sleep.Started using olanzapine out of ignorance.

Tapering olanzapine 10 m.g from February 2017.

May 2018 :Still suffering dreams,Still tapering olanzapine at 0.625.100ml water+2.5 mg olanzapine. June 2018 22.5ml=0.57mg.July 2018 20ml,August 2018-17.5ml,September 2018-15ml,October 2018 10 ml,December 2018 7 ml, BrassMonkey slide method so far at lower doses.2 nd December cold turkeyed , only to reach minure doses as reinstatement to cutshort endless tapering process.4rth December started 1ml.

Almost no symptoms and sleep is better,So started 0.5 ml from 17-12-2018.

"0"from31-12-18.Re birth would happen from 2020,as rejuvenation would take 2019.

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Longroadhome

@aberdeen

 

good to read your thread another Paxil survivor ! Hoorah ! 
 

can you tell me did you have many symptoms tapering from Paxil ? 
 

also if you did, did they get lesser in intensity the lower you went? 
thank you 

LRH

 

 


October 2004 -  October 2018 Paxil 20mg

October 2018 - November 2018 15mg Paxil 

Nov 2018 -  2x50 mg Pregabalin to help with Paxil WD

December 2018 - January 2019 10mg Paxil  

January 2019 - February 2019  7.5mg Paxil crashed 

February 2019 - 8.5mg Paxil

August 2019 - stopped both meds for 2.5 days meltdown 

August 2019 -  daily: 50mg Pregabalin April 2020 45mg May 40mg June 35mg, beg July 30mg, end July 25mg

Nov 2019 - 8mg Paxil, March 2020 7.2mg April 6.5mg May 5.9mg June 5.4mg July 4.8mg

 

these dates are approximate 

 

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brassmonkey

LRH-- I don't think you will get an answer from Aberdeen.  She finished her taper two years ago and has been moving on with her life leaving this all behind. Last I corresponded with her she was doing fine and is recovering well. This entire thread talks about her journey from an Effexor CT through starting and tapering Paxil.  It is a very interesting read and fill of information. She is a true success story.


20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013.

Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks.  The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better.

Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017

 

"It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general."  Stephen Hawking

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Longroadhome
6 minutes ago, brassmonkey said:

LRH-- I don't think you will get an answer from Aberdeen.  She finished her taper two years ago and has been moving on with her life leaving this all behind. Last I corresponded with her she was doing fine and is recovering well. This entire thread talks about her journey from an Effexor CT through starting and tapering Paxil.  It is a very interesting read and fill of information. She is a true success story.

Hi Brass! 
and do I love reading success stories !!! 
didn’t  look at her last date of posting. 

Think  she’s been on another thread a recent post  But could be wrong.   
I’ll read her thread.  

hope all ok with you Brass take care and have good weekend 

our weather at the moment in England is exceptional x 


October 2004 -  October 2018 Paxil 20mg

October 2018 - November 2018 15mg Paxil 

Nov 2018 -  2x50 mg Pregabalin to help with Paxil WD

December 2018 - January 2019 10mg Paxil  

January 2019 - February 2019  7.5mg Paxil crashed 

February 2019 - 8.5mg Paxil

August 2019 - stopped both meds for 2.5 days meltdown 

August 2019 -  daily: 50mg Pregabalin April 2020 45mg May 40mg June 35mg, beg July 30mg, end July 25mg

Nov 2019 - 8mg Paxil, March 2020 7.2mg April 6.5mg May 5.9mg June 5.4mg July 4.8mg

 

these dates are approximate 

 

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