Histamine food intolerance

[tsranga]

On 6/5/2021 at 6:39 AM, marius76mc said:

One year and two months since last day of Mirtazapine I had the first week of no symptom related to withdrawal ... Hope to last!

 

Wonderful!!.  Which symptoms are you attributing to withdrawal and which ones are not? 

 

I no longer seem to have histamine food related triggers, but I definitely seem to have symptoms that are triggered by drastic temperature and humidity changes and intense exercise.  This could be a different manifestation of histamine intolerance.

 

 

[marius76mc]

Sorry for my late reply. As I mentioned in a previous post in the last months I had constant wakes up in the middle of the night with a strange feeling that originated in the gut zone, but sometimes it expanded through the body often connected with a nausea. I do not know if this was strictly a withdrawal late symptom or a symptom connected with the fact that I also drastically changed my diet. Due to the new diet I think that my metabolic pathway is changed and that feeling may be a side effect of body adaptation. 

English is not my native language so sorry if I do not express myself correctly in the following idea: during wake-ups I felt full of adrenaline, it was kind of energetic and full blown woken up, while after using diamine oxidase when I wake up I feel a little "groggy" or "sedated", "still sleepy" thing that reminds me of how I was waking up under mirtazapine. 

On the other hand I can confirm that I have too some reaction to sudden changes in weather especially when the atmosphere is "charged" like before storms, or when the clouds are heavy and grey. Then I feel pressured and fatigued and not with a clear mind. Otherwise my new diet helped me clear the foggy brain sensation and during last months my brain returned to normal function as before mirtazapine. Regarding exercise I have no issues no matter how hard I practice.

In the end everything blends: adrenaline, cortisol, stress, anxiety, peace, histamine, energy, fatigue ...I do not know if someone will reveal the true connection.

In a way I consider myself renewed after the withdrawal experience. I improved my nutrition and understood many things about the brain and body self repairing. It opened my eyes about the need of correctly managing the aging process as previously I had no interest in this matter.

     

[Sicksagittarius]

@GiaK I've been eating more histamine rich foods like peanut butter even with a histamne intolerance bc it's hard to feel full on the limited foods I can tolerate. Can that cause my nervous system to make my vision be blurry and shaking due to excess inflammation/increase WD symtoms? I feel like hen I try to focus on something, its not a clear photo and its slightly moving and wont stay still or focused in my vision.

[Sicksagittarius]

Hi @GiaK! So I've had lots of stomach issues since reducing lexapro. Ive been seeing a functional dr and she is telling me I cannot heal all of my issues without probiotics, digestive enzymes and other supllements. I did a GI Map test and saw I have c. diff, girardia, SIBO, candida, h pylori, lots of other bacterial overgrowth/pathogens/bacteria. I am not tolerating the supplements. She says that I cant heal unless I do a strict GAPS diet which isnt going to work for me. Is it possible to heal just through diet? Is there a type of dr I can go to to help with these issues or is everyone just going to give me pills i cant tolerate? Should I try to take them in the future when I'm more stable? 

[GiaK]

On 9/2/2021 at 3:58 PM, Sicksagittarius said:

Hi @GiaK! So I've had lots of stomach issues since reducing lexapro. Ive been seeing a functional dr and she is telling me I cannot heal all of my issues without probiotics, digestive enzymes and other supllements. I did a GI Map test and saw I have c. diff, girardia, SIBO, candida, h pylori, lots of other bacterial overgrowth/pathogens/bacteria. I am not tolerating the supplements. She says that I cant heal unless I do a strict GAPS diet which isnt going to work for me. Is it possible to heal just through diet? Is there a type of dr I can go to to help with these issues or is everyone just going to give me pills i cant tolerate? Should I try to take them in the future when I'm more stable? 

 

sorry. I don't come here often (obviously).

diet is a weird one...I learned a lot by doing elimination diets but I don't follow anything now buy the moment..."What do I need to eat right now?" I listen to my body. This is an ongoing practice and sheds light on everything. No one but YOU knows what your body needs and we're all different. 
 

SEE:
https://beyondmeds.com/?s=diet

Good luck!

 

 

 

[Sicksagittarius]

What shampoo and conditioner does everyone use for histamine intolerance? I was trying organic clean beauty pure 100 but it has so many ingredients including stimulating herbs. Does anyone use clean makeup products from 100 percent pure, Araza beauty or do they wait until your histamine bucket is lowered? Also can histamine overflow cause waves? Ive been stressed for 3 months and cant kick eating peanut butter for more than a few days due to having limited filling food and using it to cope when I'm stressed. Does eating at certain times of the day impact histamine?

[Sicksagittarius]

Has anyone experienced reducing oxalates from their diet and gone through the oxalate dumping process? Its something I need to do to heal my gut. They're related to the inflammatory bucket that histamine and salicylates contribute to. Always thought it was just histamine causing issues but I think oxalates have more to do with my symptoms than I thought. Wondering how this will impact WD symptoms. Oxalates do not detox from the liver, they are in the gut. (https://www.facebook.com/notes/trying-low-oxalates-tlo/06-how-dumping-is-different-than-detoxing/2085276828220515/)

 

a little background on oxalate dumping:

-Dumping is the excretion of stored oxalate from tissues via urine (kidneys), stool (digestive tract), mucus (lungs and respiratory tract), tears (eyes, vitreous gel) and sweat/ skin secretions (skin).

 

-dumping can continue for months and years. oxalate dumping is a long process and it's suspected that we dump compartment by compartment.

 

-We see this electrolyte disturbance, which involves continued wasting of potassium and other minerals. We have to keep re-adding these minerals. Also, it’s almost like tissue dehydration. I really like to push salt, potassium, calcium and magnesium to help manage this sort of flushing …

 

-The two main causes of disease are toxicity and nutrient deficiency. Oxalate is causing both … You’re losing both B-vitamins and minerals. It’s very toxic. It is a poison. It’s messing with the basics of metabolism that allows tissue recovery, repair, [that] allows growth and flourishing.”

 

-Oxalic acid can harm glandular function, connective tissue function, neurological function and the function of the tissues of excretion, particularly the kidneys and bladder

 

-oxalates not only can cause kidney stones (calcium oxalate kidney stones) but also may be responsible for a wide variety of other health problems related to inflammation, auto-immunity, mitochondrial dysfunction, mineral balance, connective tissue integrity, urinary tract issues and poor gut function

 

-side effects of dumping: 

bloated stomach

black specks in stool

constipation diarrhea

cloudy urine

lower back pain

heart paps

flu like

weight loss or weight gain

dizziness

muscle twitching

back or neck pain achy all over

jaw pain

sweating

rashes

fatigue

anxiety depression, brain fog

loose teeth

pain and inflammation

[SvenZagreb]

Hi! Can someone clear this out for me?

So high histamine foods like kimchi and kefir are the best GABA preservers there can be. They are crucial for recovery after benzos and generally very good for anyone who is having withdrawal of any type because of ability to preserve and nourish GABA. How come that we share an opinion that low histaminic food should be better then high histaminic food? I mean I know it can be hard for someone with histamine intolerance to eat food rich in histamine but its one of the keys for brain recovery. Foods like kefir are alse given to animals having stomach problems because they help guts reestablish balance again.

[ChessieCat]

20 minutes ago, SvenZagreb said:

kimchi and kefir

 

probiotics-and-gut-health

 

[SvenZagreb]

12 minutes ago, ChessieCat said:

 

probiotics-and-gut-health

 

I have read that. But people who have histamine intolerance cant drink kefir and eat kimchi... 

And its crucial for brain repair. 

Am I missing something? 

Btw thanx for answering in such a quick fashion ❤

 

[ChessieCat]

13 hours ago, SvenZagreb said:

cant drink kefir and eat kimchi... 

And its crucial for brain repair. 

Am I missing something? 

 

The only supplements which SA recommends are magnesium and omega 3.  From Post #1 of the this topic Omega-3 Fish Oil

 

  

On 3/14/2011 at 1:29 PM, Altostrata said:

" EPA supports heart health and DHA is a constituent of membranes of nerve cells in the brain and is thought to play an important role in normal brain development and function."

 

[Altostrata]

For more detailed discussion of histamine intolerance, please join a group about it on Facebook or a specialized site. It's not our specialty.

 

I would not worry about food and neurotransmitters. Most of that is hogwash.

[SvenZagreb]

Right..  I have to agree with you. 

Bunch of "expert" information is out there on internet and it all comes down to who you choose to believe...

[tsranga]

22 hours ago, Altostrata said:

For more detailed discussion of histamine intolerance, please join a group about it on Facebook or a specialized site. It's not our specialty.

But iatrogenic  histamine intolerance is real - especially due to mirtazapine withdrawal, and @freespirit and @ten0275have a wealth of experience and still dealing with histamine issues post withdrawal. 

 

Most of the other groups focus on general histamine intolerance -  in our case, I have found in my experience that "histamine dumps" or histamine intolerance doesn't follow the typical pattern, and while food related interventions/restrictions can minimize the flare-ups, we still appear to be sensitive to other triggers.. like heat/cold changes and emotional stress. 

[Sicksagittarius]

8 minutes ago, tsranga said:

But iatrogenic  histamine intolerance is real - especially due to mirtazapine withdrawal, and @freespirit and @ten0275have a wealth of experience and still dealing with histamine issues post withdrawal. 

 

Most of the other groups focus on general histamine intolerance -  in our case, I have found in my experience that "histamine dumps" or histamine intolerance doesn't follow the typical pattern, and while food related interventions/restrictions can minimize the flare-ups, we still appear to be sensitive to other triggers.. like heat/cold changes and emotional stress. 

@tsrangaHi! Could you explain what you mean by histamine dump? Is that referring to when you reduce histamine and your body is trying to eliminate the excess and what symptoms does that entail/enhance AD WD symptoms? 

[tsranga]

A histamine dump typically occurs at night between 12-3am and is triggered by the histamine bucket overflowing.. this can cause a whole bunch of symptoms, but in my case, I have a lot of gas, burping, multiple BMs, urination, hand/feet pain/paresthesia all of which causes insomnia. 

[Foxclover6]

On 12/28/2012 at 8:10 AM, GiaK said:

Mod note, adding in the link to:  About-Everything Matters, Beyond Meds

 

I've switched to a low histamine diet...

 

this blog is awesome: http://thelowhistaminechef.com/

 

the improvement is PHENOMENAL...

 

no kidding...check it out...I'm sure it won't help everyone but it's turning out to be clearly foundational for me.

 

since I was eating FERMENTS and BONE BROTH like crazy...and they're both high histamine, this info was critically important...I needed to stop eating those two things!! (as well as a host of other high histamine foods)

 

I'll share more as I learn...frankly, I'm in an intense learning curve now...this is all very fascinating...

 

it's got to do with nerves...histamine intolerance will MESS big time with your nerves...and my autonomic system has TOTALLY mellowed out in just a week!! of low-histamine diet...

 

I've got a ways to go, but this feels different than all the other things I've changed.

 

Mod added this found in another topic:

 

 

 

Can you give me ex of what you eat in a day? Please.  

[Foxclover6]

I have a red itchy chest after eating, or drinking even. Gets red. I have gastrointestinal burning and it feels like everything stays in my esophagus.  I've been off 5 months, I get red itchy ears when I exercise. Told my doc he said it's stress and I need to work on depression  . I also get pain in my hands after eating, in the beginning rhe pain was allover body pain. 

[Foxclover6]

Nevermind about the food suggestion,  I saw where you posted the link at the beginning.  

[Foxclover6]

I cannot touch kombucha, it's been awful. 

[GiaK]

I don't do strictly histamine intolerance anymore...I've healed and eat whatever I want as I need it (that sounds better than it is...in that I can only eat what I need at any given time -- in any case, I've healed and learned to listen to the body. Histamine was an important healing stage for me. 

 

I have more updated articles on how I view food now. See: https://beyondmeds.com/?s=diet 

 

it's good to do eliminations and learn from them and know that we will heal. Good luck!! 

[GiaK]

17 hours ago, Foxclover6 said:

I cannot touch kombucha, it's been awful. 

I couldn't drink it for years...like 10...now it's a staple ... I drink it all the time ...I had to do a lot of gut and blood/brain barrier healing with tons of Collagen Growth support  ... it takes time and still it happens. We heal. 

[Foxclover6]

On 11/12/2021 at 10:53 PM, tsranga said:

A histamine dump typically occurs at night between 12-3am and is triggered by the histamine bucket overflowing.. this can cause a whole bunch of symptoms, but in my case, I have a lot of gas, burping, multiple BMs, urination, hand/feet pain/paresthesia all of which causes insomnia. 

You get the pain in your hands and feet ?! Do you feel that it was related to quitting the meds? I an crying to see someone else has the pain, I have been so worried. 

[Foxclover6]

17 minutes ago, GiaK said:

I don't do strictly histamine intolerance anymore...I've healed and eat whatever I want as I need it (that sounds better than it is...in that I can only eat what I need at any given time -- in any case, I've healed and learned to listen to the body. Histamine was an important healing stage for me. 

 

I have more updated articles on how I view food now. See: https://beyondmeds.com/?s=diet 

 

it's good to do eliminations and learn from them and know that we will heal. Good luck!! 

I'm glad to see that you have healed. ❤️

[tsranga]

3 hours ago, Foxclover6 said:

You get the pain in your hands and feet ?! Do you feel that it was related to quitting the meds? I an crying to see someone else has the pain, I have been so worried. 

Yes it definitely is withdrawal induced.  I strongly believe that it is due to faulty circulation (vasodilation vasoconstriction), as the autonomic nervous system tries to heal. 

 

Keep moving, and more importantly keep your gut moving. In withdrawal, I find that our gut needs a lot of support to help with digestion and motility. Most of my symptoms flare up when the gut is stuck. 

 

Diapghrammatic breathing lying down especially after food helps a lot with this. In my case, when I do this, it also helps with the hand/leg pain (as the circulation returns)  and the sinus pressure (again circulation related).

 

[Foxclover6]

On 11/27/2021 at 2:56 PM, tsranga said:

Yes it definitely is withdrawal induced.  I strongly believe that it is due to faulty circulation (vasodilation vasoconstriction), as the autonomic nervous system tries to heal. 

 

Keep moving, and more importantly keep your gut moving. In withdrawal, I find that our gut needs a lot of support to help with digestion and motility. Most of my symptoms flare up when the gut is stuck. 

 

Diapghrammatic breathing lying down especially after food helps a lot with this. In my case, when I do this, it also helps with the hand/leg pain (as the circulation returns)  and the sinus pressure (again circulation related).

 

Very excited to see this, thank you 

[Foxclover6]

On 11/27/2021 at 2:56 PM, tsranga said:

Yes it definitely is withdrawal induced.  I strongly believe that it is due to faulty circulation (vasodilation vasoconstriction), as the autonomic nervous system tries to heal. 

 

Keep moving, and more importantly keep your gut moving. In withdrawal, I find that our gut needs a lot of support to help with digestion and motility. Most of my symptoms flare up when the gut is stuck. 

 

Diapghrammatic breathing lying down especially after food helps a lot with this. In my case, when I do this, it also helps with the hand/leg pain (as the circulation returns)  and the sinus pressure (again circulation related).

 

I'm really sick of it and I just dont know if it's also soemthing else, maybe that's a normal thought.  I had not eaten today, so I at about 3 pm, I felt fine and well.  After eating I got pain in my hands, itchy ears, muscle twitches and chest itchiness. Is this likely to do with withdrawl? Anyone ? I'm scared. 

[tsranga]

9 hours ago, Foxclover6 said:

I'm really sick of it and I just dont know if it's also soemthing else, maybe that's a normal thought.  I had not eaten today, so I at about 3 pm, I felt fine and well.  After eating I got pain in my hands, itchy ears, muscle twitches and chest itchiness. Is this likely to do with withdrawl? Anyone ? I'm scared. 

It is safest to assume that all your symptoms are due to withdrawal. The problem in withdrawal is that you have a hypersensitive nervous system, and your brain is on high alert to monitor all symptoms as it believes that you are in danger. However, most of these symptoms are not dangerous, although they can be uncomfortable.   

 

The best thing we can do is stop feeding the brain's worrying pattern by just accepting those sensations and letting them pass.  

 

Your symptoms very likely could be due to histamine intolerance, and it is safest to follow a low histamine diet. 

 

 

[Foxclover6]

8 hours ago, tsranga said:

It is safest to assume that all your symptoms are due to withdrawal. The problem in withdrawal is that you have a hypersensitive nervous system, and your brain is on high alert to monitor all symptoms as it believes that you are in danger. However, most of these symptoms are not dangerous, although they can be uncomfortable.   

 

The best thing we can do is stop feeding the brain's worrying pattern by just accepting those sensations and letting them pass.  

 

Your symptoms very likely could be due to histamine intolerance, and it is safest to follow a low histamine diet. 

 

 

Thank you for responding , I gives me so much support ❤  I am struggling and I appreciate it alot. 

[Lilmizz21]

@Foxclover6 hello!! Hope you are having better days

 

I seem to be suffering with the same, did you try an antihistamine diet? 

 

Just wondering how it went for you?

[Foxclover6]

54 minutes ago, Lilmizz21 said:

@Foxclover6 hello!! Hope you are having better days

 

I seem to be suffering with the same, did you try an antihistamine diet? 

 

Just wondering how it went for you?

I cut out spinach and avacado, I ate them both everyday, it's gotten better, it was really bad. I've thought about trying a doa supplement but not sure since I'm so sensitive. What symptoms are you having ? 

[Lilmizz21]

@Foxclover6 I'm 2 months out and have so many symptoms 

 

Brain sensations, brain feels swollen, numb, crushing, tinnitus, SI, severe depression, cognitive issues, memory issues, complusions, maniac thoughts 😔 now I've started with the itching. Very itchy scalp and all over really. 

 

I'm so glad you've seen improvement I'm defo gonna try this

[Foxclover6]

11 minutes ago, Lilmizz21 said:

@Foxclover6 I'm 2 months out and have so many symptoms 

 

Brain sensations, brain feels swollen, numb, crushing, tinnitus, SI, severe depression, cognitive issues, memory issues, complusions, maniac thoughts 😔 now I've started with the itching. Very itchy scalp and all over really. 

 

I'm so glad you've seen improvement I'm defo gonna try this

I have these also, I've been really anxious at times, I get muscle twitching, itchy chest, eyes, gut feels irritated alot and def the source of the histamine. I was getting pain alpt after eating in the hands, which was so weird. I tried Prevacid for a while, because the stomach thing was killing me, I think it helped but I stopped because I'm afraid of it 😅 ugh. Lots of burning.  I have a gut health supplement,  im going it'll help too. Tera origin, healthy gut. It's got great ingredients but it also has silicon dioxide which isn't good,  but most of them do it seems. 

[Foxclover6]

9 hours ago, Lilmizz21 said:

@Foxclover6 I'm 2 months out and have so many symptoms 

 

Brain sensations, brain feels swollen, numb, crushing, tinnitus, SI, severe depression, cognitive issues, memory issues, complusions, maniac thoughts 😔 now I've started with the itching. Very itchy scalp and all over really. 

 

I'm so glad you've seen improvement I'm defo gonna try this

After lots of search,  I found that glutamate may be why we're experiencing this,  the glutamate is too high,  it causes our body to produce too much histamine. Check this article out,  https://epidemicanswers.org/getting-started/diet-basics/low-glutamate-diet/

 

 

[Sicksagittarius]

is lowering histamine considered a detox method that could be harmful for making WD symptoms worse? Should I just lower histamine things slowly? I'm reacting so badly to them right now I don't know if I can even go slowly

 

[ThatOneGirlStitch]

On 12/21/2021 at 5:25 PM, Sicksagittarius said:

is lowering histamine considered a detox method that could be harmful for making WD symptoms worse? Should I just lower histamine things slowly? I'm reacting so badly to them right now I don't know if I can even go slowly

 

I am no expert, but from what I understand you can just start eating low histamine foods. I don’t believe it to be a detox method, more like a elimination of triggering foods.