Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted November 11, 2021 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted November 11, 2021 20 minutes ago, SvenZagreb said: kimchi and kefir probiotics-and-gut-health 1 Please DO NOT TAG me - thank you PLEASE NOTE: I am not a medical professional. I provide information and make suggestions. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SvenZagreb Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 12 minutes ago, ChessieCat said: probiotics-and-gut-health I have read that. But people who have histamine intolerance cant drink kefir and eat kimchi... And its crucial for brain repair. Am I missing something? Btw thanx for answering in such a quick fashion ❤ 1 Zoloft 50mg-December 2005-April 2006 (18 yo) Zoloft 50mg- July 2009- July 2010 (21-22yo) Zoloft 25/50mg - June 2019-March 2021 (31-33yo) fast taper Diazepam/Xanax 10mg once a week- 2016-2021 Took Lithium orotate supplement for 4 days 2,5mg per day, felt huge depression and anxiety- Oct 22' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted November 11, 2021 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted November 11, 2021 13 hours ago, SvenZagreb said: cant drink kefir and eat kimchi... And its crucial for brain repair. Am I missing something? The only supplements which SA recommends are magnesium and omega 3. From Post #1 of the this topic Omega-3 Fish Oil On 3/14/2011 at 1:29 PM, Altostrata said: " EPA supports heart health and DHA is a constituent of membranes of nerve cells in the brain and is thought to play an important role in normal brain development and function." Please DO NOT TAG me - thank you PLEASE NOTE: I am not a medical professional. I provide information and make suggestions. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Altostrata Posted November 11, 2021 Administrator Share Posted November 11, 2021 For more detailed discussion of histamine intolerance, please join a group about it on Facebook or a specialized site. It's not our specialty. I would not worry about food and neurotransmitters. Most of that is hogwash. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SvenZagreb Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 Right.. I have to agree with you. Bunch of "expert" information is out there on internet and it all comes down to who you choose to believe... Zoloft 50mg-December 2005-April 2006 (18 yo) Zoloft 50mg- July 2009- July 2010 (21-22yo) Zoloft 25/50mg - June 2019-March 2021 (31-33yo) fast taper Diazepam/Xanax 10mg once a week- 2016-2021 Took Lithium orotate supplement for 4 days 2,5mg per day, felt huge depression and anxiety- Oct 22' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsranga Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 22 hours ago, Altostrata said: For more detailed discussion of histamine intolerance, please join a group about it on Facebook or a specialized site. It's not our specialty. But iatrogenic histamine intolerance is real - especially due to mirtazapine withdrawal, and @freespirit and @ten0275have a wealth of experience and still dealing with histamine issues post withdrawal. Most of the other groups focus on general histamine intolerance - in our case, I have found in my experience that "histamine dumps" or histamine intolerance doesn't follow the typical pattern, and while food related interventions/restrictions can minimize the flare-ups, we still appear to be sensitive to other triggers.. like heat/cold changes and emotional stress. 1 Chronic IBS since 1990 Former smoker (1992- Jun 2017) Prescribed mirtazapine for sleep in Aug 2017 after IBS flare-up following Nicotine cessation. Mirtazapine 7.5mg 8/17 to 5/18 Mirtazapine 3.75mg 5/18 to 1/19 Off Mirtazapine since 2/19. Vit B, Vit D+K2 and Magnesium Glycinate as needed. On Ayurvedic herbs for GI issues - Guduchi since Jul 2020, Indukantham since Oct 2020 On Ashwagandha 1g since Nov 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sicksagittarius Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, tsranga said: But iatrogenic histamine intolerance is real - especially due to mirtazapine withdrawal, and @freespirit and @ten0275have a wealth of experience and still dealing with histamine issues post withdrawal. Most of the other groups focus on general histamine intolerance - in our case, I have found in my experience that "histamine dumps" or histamine intolerance doesn't follow the typical pattern, and while food related interventions/restrictions can minimize the flare-ups, we still appear to be sensitive to other triggers.. like heat/cold changes and emotional stress. @tsrangaHi! Could you explain what you mean by histamine dump? Is that referring to when you reduce histamine and your body is trying to eliminate the excess and what symptoms does that entail/enhance AD WD symptoms? -2014: Lexapro/escitalopram 10 mg, 2015-2021: Lexapro/escitalopram 20 mg -10/2020-3/2021: decreased 20 mg to 15 mg, 1 mg a month -4/2021: decreased to 10 mg, held for 11 days, 4/2021: decreased to 5 mg, held for 8 days -4/2021: 3-6 days cold turkey lexapro, withdrawal symptoms so reinstated 2.5 mg -omeprazole taper: 9/2021 cut 25%, 10/20/21 25% cut, 12/1/21 25%, 12/28/21 25% cut, (9/36 beads of 40 mg) -11/2020 omeprazole 20 mg, 3/2021: omeprazole 40 mg, -Nordic Naturals Ultimate omega 3 fish pill: 1280 mg -montelukast: 10 mg daily, zyrtec: 10 mg daily -3/20/2021-7/25: mesalamine 1.2 GM, 3 times a day - dropped -birth control: Trilinyah 2014- 2/1/2021 quit cold turkey middle of pack 7/16/2021-8/1/2021 Quicksilver Liposomal multivitamin liquid: biotin, zinc, Vitamins A, C, D E, K, Niacin,, Thiomine, Riboflavin,Vitamin B6, B12, 7/16/2021- 8/25/2021 - boswelia complex (tumeric. ginger, celery) - 2 a day - dropped 7/16/2021 - probiophage probiotic - dropped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsranga Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 A histamine dump typically occurs at night between 12-3am and is triggered by the histamine bucket overflowing.. this can cause a whole bunch of symptoms, but in my case, I have a lot of gas, burping, multiple BMs, urination, hand/feet pain/paresthesia all of which causes insomnia. Chronic IBS since 1990 Former smoker (1992- Jun 2017) Prescribed mirtazapine for sleep in Aug 2017 after IBS flare-up following Nicotine cessation. Mirtazapine 7.5mg 8/17 to 5/18 Mirtazapine 3.75mg 5/18 to 1/19 Off Mirtazapine since 2/19. Vit B, Vit D+K2 and Magnesium Glycinate as needed. On Ayurvedic herbs for GI issues - Guduchi since Jul 2020, Indukantham since Oct 2020 On Ashwagandha 1g since Nov 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxclover6 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 On 12/28/2012 at 8:10 AM, GiaK said: Mod note, adding in the link to: About-Everything Matters, Beyond Meds I've switched to a low histamine diet... this blog is awesome: http://thelowhistaminechef.com/ the improvement is PHENOMENAL... no kidding...check it out...I'm sure it won't help everyone but it's turning out to be clearly foundational for me. since I was eating FERMENTS and BONE BROTH like crazy...and they're both high histamine, this info was critically important...I needed to stop eating those two things!! (as well as a host of other high histamine foods) I'll share more as I learn...frankly, I'm in an intense learning curve now...this is all very fascinating... it's got to do with nerves...histamine intolerance will MESS big time with your nerves...and my autonomic system has TOTALLY mellowed out in just a week!! of low-histamine diet... I've got a ways to go, but this feels different than all the other things I've changed. Mod added this found in another topic: Can you give me ex of what you eat in a day? Please. - 10 mg lexparo 1.5 years - ativan for panic 0.5 , never more than once daily and not everyday for 4 years. -cold turkeyed in June 5 of 2021. Buspar a few days and had severe muscle pain. July 26, 27, then 30 of 2021. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxclover6 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 I have a red itchy chest after eating, or drinking even. Gets red. I have gastrointestinal burning and it feels like everything stays in my esophagus. I've been off 5 months, I get red itchy ears when I exercise. Told my doc he said it's stress and I need to work on depression . I also get pain in my hands after eating, in the beginning rhe pain was allover body pain. - 10 mg lexparo 1.5 years - ativan for panic 0.5 , never more than once daily and not everyday for 4 years. -cold turkeyed in June 5 of 2021. Buspar a few days and had severe muscle pain. July 26, 27, then 30 of 2021. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxclover6 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 Nevermind about the food suggestion, I saw where you posted the link at the beginning. - 10 mg lexparo 1.5 years - ativan for panic 0.5 , never more than once daily and not everyday for 4 years. -cold turkeyed in June 5 of 2021. Buspar a few days and had severe muscle pain. July 26, 27, then 30 of 2021. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxclover6 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 I cannot touch kombucha, it's been awful. - 10 mg lexparo 1.5 years - ativan for panic 0.5 , never more than once daily and not everyday for 4 years. -cold turkeyed in June 5 of 2021. Buspar a few days and had severe muscle pain. July 26, 27, then 30 of 2021. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiaK Posted November 27, 2021 Author Share Posted November 27, 2021 I don't do strictly histamine intolerance anymore...I've healed and eat whatever I want as I need it (that sounds better than it is...in that I can only eat what I need at any given time -- in any case, I've healed and learned to listen to the body. Histamine was an important healing stage for me. I have more updated articles on how I view food now. See: https://beyondmeds.com/?s=diet it's good to do eliminations and learn from them and know that we will heal. Good luck!! Everything Matters: Beyond Meds https://beyondmeds.com/ withdrawn from a cocktail of 6 psychiatric drugs that included every class of psych drug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiaK Posted November 27, 2021 Author Share Posted November 27, 2021 17 hours ago, Foxclover6 said: I cannot touch kombucha, it's been awful. I couldn't drink it for years...like 10...now it's a staple ... I drink it all the time ...I had to do a lot of gut and blood/brain barrier healing with tons of Collagen Growth support ... it takes time and still it happens. We heal. 1 Everything Matters: Beyond Meds https://beyondmeds.com/ withdrawn from a cocktail of 6 psychiatric drugs that included every class of psych drug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxclover6 Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 On 11/12/2021 at 10:53 PM, tsranga said: A histamine dump typically occurs at night between 12-3am and is triggered by the histamine bucket overflowing.. this can cause a whole bunch of symptoms, but in my case, I have a lot of gas, burping, multiple BMs, urination, hand/feet pain/paresthesia all of which causes insomnia. You get the pain in your hands and feet ?! Do you feel that it was related to quitting the meds? I an crying to see someone else has the pain, I have been so worried. - 10 mg lexparo 1.5 years - ativan for panic 0.5 , never more than once daily and not everyday for 4 years. -cold turkeyed in June 5 of 2021. Buspar a few days and had severe muscle pain. July 26, 27, then 30 of 2021. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxclover6 Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 17 minutes ago, GiaK said: I don't do strictly histamine intolerance anymore...I've healed and eat whatever I want as I need it (that sounds better than it is...in that I can only eat what I need at any given time -- in any case, I've healed and learned to listen to the body. Histamine was an important healing stage for me. I have more updated articles on how I view food now. See: https://beyondmeds.com/?s=diet it's good to do eliminations and learn from them and know that we will heal. Good luck!! I'm glad to see that you have healed. ❤️ 1 - 10 mg lexparo 1.5 years - ativan for panic 0.5 , never more than once daily and not everyday for 4 years. -cold turkeyed in June 5 of 2021. Buspar a few days and had severe muscle pain. July 26, 27, then 30 of 2021. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsranga Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 3 hours ago, Foxclover6 said: You get the pain in your hands and feet ?! Do you feel that it was related to quitting the meds? I an crying to see someone else has the pain, I have been so worried. Yes it definitely is withdrawal induced. I strongly believe that it is due to faulty circulation (vasodilation vasoconstriction), as the autonomic nervous system tries to heal. Keep moving, and more importantly keep your gut moving. In withdrawal, I find that our gut needs a lot of support to help with digestion and motility. Most of my symptoms flare up when the gut is stuck. Diapghrammatic breathing lying down especially after food helps a lot with this. In my case, when I do this, it also helps with the hand/leg pain (as the circulation returns) and the sinus pressure (again circulation related). Chronic IBS since 1990 Former smoker (1992- Jun 2017) Prescribed mirtazapine for sleep in Aug 2017 after IBS flare-up following Nicotine cessation. Mirtazapine 7.5mg 8/17 to 5/18 Mirtazapine 3.75mg 5/18 to 1/19 Off Mirtazapine since 2/19. Vit B, Vit D+K2 and Magnesium Glycinate as needed. On Ayurvedic herbs for GI issues - Guduchi since Jul 2020, Indukantham since Oct 2020 On Ashwagandha 1g since Nov 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxclover6 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 On 11/27/2021 at 2:56 PM, tsranga said: Yes it definitely is withdrawal induced. I strongly believe that it is due to faulty circulation (vasodilation vasoconstriction), as the autonomic nervous system tries to heal. Keep moving, and more importantly keep your gut moving. In withdrawal, I find that our gut needs a lot of support to help with digestion and motility. Most of my symptoms flare up when the gut is stuck. Diapghrammatic breathing lying down especially after food helps a lot with this. In my case, when I do this, it also helps with the hand/leg pain (as the circulation returns) and the sinus pressure (again circulation related). Very excited to see this, thank you - 10 mg lexparo 1.5 years - ativan for panic 0.5 , never more than once daily and not everyday for 4 years. -cold turkeyed in June 5 of 2021. Buspar a few days and had severe muscle pain. July 26, 27, then 30 of 2021. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxclover6 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 On 11/27/2021 at 2:56 PM, tsranga said: Yes it definitely is withdrawal induced. I strongly believe that it is due to faulty circulation (vasodilation vasoconstriction), as the autonomic nervous system tries to heal. Keep moving, and more importantly keep your gut moving. In withdrawal, I find that our gut needs a lot of support to help with digestion and motility. Most of my symptoms flare up when the gut is stuck. Diapghrammatic breathing lying down especially after food helps a lot with this. In my case, when I do this, it also helps with the hand/leg pain (as the circulation returns) and the sinus pressure (again circulation related). I'm really sick of it and I just dont know if it's also soemthing else, maybe that's a normal thought. I had not eaten today, so I at about 3 pm, I felt fine and well. After eating I got pain in my hands, itchy ears, muscle twitches and chest itchiness. Is this likely to do with withdrawl? Anyone ? I'm scared. - 10 mg lexparo 1.5 years - ativan for panic 0.5 , never more than once daily and not everyday for 4 years. -cold turkeyed in June 5 of 2021. Buspar a few days and had severe muscle pain. July 26, 27, then 30 of 2021. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsranga Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 9 hours ago, Foxclover6 said: I'm really sick of it and I just dont know if it's also soemthing else, maybe that's a normal thought. I had not eaten today, so I at about 3 pm, I felt fine and well. After eating I got pain in my hands, itchy ears, muscle twitches and chest itchiness. Is this likely to do with withdrawl? Anyone ? I'm scared. It is safest to assume that all your symptoms are due to withdrawal. The problem in withdrawal is that you have a hypersensitive nervous system, and your brain is on high alert to monitor all symptoms as it believes that you are in danger. However, most of these symptoms are not dangerous, although they can be uncomfortable. The best thing we can do is stop feeding the brain's worrying pattern by just accepting those sensations and letting them pass. Your symptoms very likely could be due to histamine intolerance, and it is safest to follow a low histamine diet. 3 Chronic IBS since 1990 Former smoker (1992- Jun 2017) Prescribed mirtazapine for sleep in Aug 2017 after IBS flare-up following Nicotine cessation. Mirtazapine 7.5mg 8/17 to 5/18 Mirtazapine 3.75mg 5/18 to 1/19 Off Mirtazapine since 2/19. Vit B, Vit D+K2 and Magnesium Glycinate as needed. On Ayurvedic herbs for GI issues - Guduchi since Jul 2020, Indukantham since Oct 2020 On Ashwagandha 1g since Nov 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxclover6 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 8 hours ago, tsranga said: It is safest to assume that all your symptoms are due to withdrawal. The problem in withdrawal is that you have a hypersensitive nervous system, and your brain is on high alert to monitor all symptoms as it believes that you are in danger. However, most of these symptoms are not dangerous, although they can be uncomfortable. The best thing we can do is stop feeding the brain's worrying pattern by just accepting those sensations and letting them pass. Your symptoms very likely could be due to histamine intolerance, and it is safest to follow a low histamine diet. Thank you for responding , I gives me so much support ❤ I am struggling and I appreciate it alot. - 10 mg lexparo 1.5 years - ativan for panic 0.5 , never more than once daily and not everyday for 4 years. -cold turkeyed in June 5 of 2021. Buspar a few days and had severe muscle pain. July 26, 27, then 30 of 2021. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilmizz21 Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 @Foxclover6 hello!! Hope you are having better days I seem to be suffering with the same, did you try an antihistamine diet? Just wondering how it went for you? Lexapro 10mg - 30th august 2021 - Adverse reaction Amitriptyline - 10mg - 7th September - 30th sep 4 weeks Amitriptyline 5mg -28th sep - 5th oct 0mg ever since the 5th oct 12th oct - 1 amoxcillin and 2 metronidazole Makes it 5 weeks 0mg so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxclover6 Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 54 minutes ago, Lilmizz21 said: @Foxclover6 hello!! Hope you are having better days I seem to be suffering with the same, did you try an antihistamine diet? Just wondering how it went for you? I cut out spinach and avacado, I ate them both everyday, it's gotten better, it was really bad. I've thought about trying a doa supplement but not sure since I'm so sensitive. What symptoms are you having ? - 10 mg lexparo 1.5 years - ativan for panic 0.5 , never more than once daily and not everyday for 4 years. -cold turkeyed in June 5 of 2021. Buspar a few days and had severe muscle pain. July 26, 27, then 30 of 2021. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilmizz21 Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 @Foxclover6 I'm 2 months out and have so many symptoms Brain sensations, brain feels swollen, numb, crushing, tinnitus, SI, severe depression, cognitive issues, memory issues, complusions, maniac thoughts 😔 now I've started with the itching. Very itchy scalp and all over really. I'm so glad you've seen improvement I'm defo gonna try this Lexapro 10mg - 30th august 2021 - Adverse reaction Amitriptyline - 10mg - 7th September - 30th sep 4 weeks Amitriptyline 5mg -28th sep - 5th oct 0mg ever since the 5th oct 12th oct - 1 amoxcillin and 2 metronidazole Makes it 5 weeks 0mg so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxclover6 Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 11 minutes ago, Lilmizz21 said: @Foxclover6 I'm 2 months out and have so many symptoms Brain sensations, brain feels swollen, numb, crushing, tinnitus, SI, severe depression, cognitive issues, memory issues, complusions, maniac thoughts 😔 now I've started with the itching. Very itchy scalp and all over really. I'm so glad you've seen improvement I'm defo gonna try this I have these also, I've been really anxious at times, I get muscle twitching, itchy chest, eyes, gut feels irritated alot and def the source of the histamine. I was getting pain alpt after eating in the hands, which was so weird. I tried Prevacid for a while, because the stomach thing was killing me, I think it helped but I stopped because I'm afraid of it 😅 ugh. Lots of burning. I have a gut health supplement, im going it'll help too. Tera origin, healthy gut. It's got great ingredients but it also has silicon dioxide which isn't good, but most of them do it seems. - 10 mg lexparo 1.5 years - ativan for panic 0.5 , never more than once daily and not everyday for 4 years. -cold turkeyed in June 5 of 2021. Buspar a few days and had severe muscle pain. July 26, 27, then 30 of 2021. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxclover6 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 9 hours ago, Lilmizz21 said: @Foxclover6 I'm 2 months out and have so many symptoms Brain sensations, brain feels swollen, numb, crushing, tinnitus, SI, severe depression, cognitive issues, memory issues, complusions, maniac thoughts 😔 now I've started with the itching. Very itchy scalp and all over really. I'm so glad you've seen improvement I'm defo gonna try this After lots of search, I found that glutamate may be why we're experiencing this, the glutamate is too high, it causes our body to produce too much histamine. Check this article out, https://epidemicanswers.org/getting-started/diet-basics/low-glutamate-diet/ - 10 mg lexparo 1.5 years - ativan for panic 0.5 , never more than once daily and not everyday for 4 years. -cold turkeyed in June 5 of 2021. Buspar a few days and had severe muscle pain. July 26, 27, then 30 of 2021. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sicksagittarius Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 is lowering histamine considered a detox method that could be harmful for making WD symptoms worse? Should I just lower histamine things slowly? I'm reacting so badly to them right now I don't know if I can even go slowly -2014: Lexapro/escitalopram 10 mg, 2015-2021: Lexapro/escitalopram 20 mg -10/2020-3/2021: decreased 20 mg to 15 mg, 1 mg a month -4/2021: decreased to 10 mg, held for 11 days, 4/2021: decreased to 5 mg, held for 8 days -4/2021: 3-6 days cold turkey lexapro, withdrawal symptoms so reinstated 2.5 mg -omeprazole taper: 9/2021 cut 25%, 10/20/21 25% cut, 12/1/21 25%, 12/28/21 25% cut, (9/36 beads of 40 mg) -11/2020 omeprazole 20 mg, 3/2021: omeprazole 40 mg, -Nordic Naturals Ultimate omega 3 fish pill: 1280 mg -montelukast: 10 mg daily, zyrtec: 10 mg daily -3/20/2021-7/25: mesalamine 1.2 GM, 3 times a day - dropped -birth control: Trilinyah 2014- 2/1/2021 quit cold turkey middle of pack 7/16/2021-8/1/2021 Quicksilver Liposomal multivitamin liquid: biotin, zinc, Vitamins A, C, D E, K, Niacin,, Thiomine, Riboflavin,Vitamin B6, B12, 7/16/2021- 8/25/2021 - boswelia complex (tumeric. ginger, celery) - 2 a day - dropped 7/16/2021 - probiophage probiotic - dropped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatOneGirlStitch Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 On 12/21/2021 at 5:25 PM, Sicksagittarius said: is lowering histamine considered a detox method that could be harmful for making WD symptoms worse? Should I just lower histamine things slowly? I'm reacting so badly to them right now I don't know if I can even go slowly I am no expert, but from what I understand you can just start eating low histamine foods. I don’t believe it to be a detox method, more like a elimination of triggering foods. Current: Bupropion 450mg, Neurontin 800mg, Klonopin 0.5mg History: July 2020: started Cogentin 1mg, Lamictal 50mg, Zoloft 150mg, Zyprexa 5mg (+5mg as needed), Klonopin 0.5mg November 2020: stopped all meds cold-turkey February 2021: started Latuda 60mg, Lithium 300mg, Melatonin 5mg, Protonix 40mg, Topamax 25mg 2 weeks later: stopped Topamax, increased Lithium 900mg, started Klonopin 1mg, Lexapro 20mg, Neurontin 400mg April 2021: started Bupropion 150mg, Revia ?mg May 2021: stopped Revia, Protonix, Lexapro, increased Neurontin 800mg, started Celexa 10mg August 2021: decreased Celexa 5mg (stopped Celexa 2 weeks later), increased Bupropion 300mg September 2021: increased Latuda 80mg October 2021: decreased Lithium 600mg for 4 days, Lithium 300mg for 4 days, stopped Lithium, Latuda, increased Bupropion 450mg, started Remeron 15mg, decreased Remeron 7.5mg, stopped Remeron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustafa Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 Hello, has anyone tried anti-histamine drugs for histamine intolerance? 1 i wasn't on a certain drug all the period. i took many drugs many times and for no very long period but to simplify. --fluvoxamine maleate100 mg + amisulpride 200mg------started july 2012 and total taper in february 2015 ( 9 months without drugs then) --sertraline 100mg -------started november 2015 and total taper (withoud reduction slowly) in november 2016( 4 months withoud drugs then). --sertraline 100mg + quetiabine 25mg ( started in mars 2016 and for 7 months) then fluvoxamine maleate 100mg again for another 7months and after that a something like to use every drug for 14 days and for about 1.5 years. --my last drug was trintellix 10 mg ( used it in 12/2018and total taper in 4/2019). symptomts i have now ( bad concentration and problems in short and long memory+ bad depersonalization). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazzlingCold Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 Does anybody know where to find @GiaKs symptoms that lead her to a low histamine diet? I think I may have to do that as well before I re start taper. My genetics and conditions point to that. But I like to check with others here. Thank you! 2002-2021: 19 yrs on/off psychotropics 2/2022: Wellbutrin 150mg, Lexapro 20mg 3/22: Wellbutrin 150mg xl, Lexapro 10mg 4/22: Wellbutrin 150xl, Lexapro 5mg 4/2022: Lexa 7.5mg total, Wellbutrin 150mg 5/2022: Wellb 112.5mg xl, Lexa 7.5mg (Stopped Clonazepam & Hydroxyzine- didn't take often) 6/2022: Welbutrin 111mg xl, Lexa 6.8mg 8/2022: Wellbutrin 100mg xl, Lexa 6.8mg 10/9/22: Wellbutrin 100 mg IR, Lexa 6.5 mg 11/3/22: Wellbutrin 96 mg IR, Lexa 6.5 mg 11/30/22: Wellbutrin 96 mg IR, Lexa 6 mg 3/15/23: Wellbutrin 96 mg IR, Lexa 6.2 mg??? Other Daily Meds: Singulair 10mg, Zyrtec 10mg, Spiriva Respimat inhaler. Rarely taking: OTC pain relievers, Diclofenac, Cyclobenzaprine, anti acids Supplements: Fish oil 1300mg, Nigella oil, Mag Glycinate 200mg, Probiotics 30 billion, 1/5 dose prenatals, Melatonin .38mg, (Reishi, Lion's Mane & psilocybin microdosing by cycles) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazzlingCold Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 On 1/13/2022 at 1:39 PM, mustafa said: Hello, has anyone tried anti-histamine drugs for histamine intolerance? Hi! @mustafa This is an old post but I see bo answers. While im just starting my research on this, I saw that the Low Histamine Chef takes a supplement. I will leave the link here. I haven’t tried it and don’t know if it works. https://www.instagram.com/p/BZRokDIjIYU/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= if you end up trying can you let me know what you think?? 2002-2021: 19 yrs on/off psychotropics 2/2022: Wellbutrin 150mg, Lexapro 20mg 3/22: Wellbutrin 150mg xl, Lexapro 10mg 4/22: Wellbutrin 150xl, Lexapro 5mg 4/2022: Lexa 7.5mg total, Wellbutrin 150mg 5/2022: Wellb 112.5mg xl, Lexa 7.5mg (Stopped Clonazepam & Hydroxyzine- didn't take often) 6/2022: Welbutrin 111mg xl, Lexa 6.8mg 8/2022: Wellbutrin 100mg xl, Lexa 6.8mg 10/9/22: Wellbutrin 100 mg IR, Lexa 6.5 mg 11/3/22: Wellbutrin 96 mg IR, Lexa 6.5 mg 11/30/22: Wellbutrin 96 mg IR, Lexa 6 mg 3/15/23: Wellbutrin 96 mg IR, Lexa 6.2 mg??? Other Daily Meds: Singulair 10mg, Zyrtec 10mg, Spiriva Respimat inhaler. Rarely taking: OTC pain relievers, Diclofenac, Cyclobenzaprine, anti acids Supplements: Fish oil 1300mg, Nigella oil, Mag Glycinate 200mg, Probiotics 30 billion, 1/5 dose prenatals, Melatonin .38mg, (Reishi, Lion's Mane & psilocybin microdosing by cycles) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxclover6 Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 Did anyone experience muscle pain in the arms and joints from histamine? - 10 mg lexparo 1.5 years - ativan for panic 0.5 , never more than once daily and not everyday for 4 years. -cold turkeyed in June 5 of 2021. Buspar a few days and had severe muscle pain. July 26, 27, then 30 of 2021. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Altostrata Posted September 2, 2022 Administrator Share Posted September 2, 2022 @Foxclover6 Histamine intolerance can have many different types of symptoms. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeralCatman Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 Hey everyone. My nutritionist sent me a link to an article in the 'American Journal of Clinical Nutrition' about histamine and histamine intolerance. I thought you all would like to read it so here it is. https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/85/5/1185/4633007?login=true There are 2 diagrams within the article that I found especially useful. Here they are: This is a great one for showing all of the functions that Histamine plays a role in within the body. As you can see it does a lot more than give you the sniffles. This one shows how histamine is broken down within the human body Outside of the United States many countries already accept Histamine Intolerance as a medical diagnosis. Within the United States awareness is growing so I imagine at some point it will be taken more seriously. Current Psychiatric Medications Paxil 10mg daily (a.m.) 2017 - Present Carbamazepine 400mg daily (split half a.m. and half p.m.) 2011 - Present Recently Stopped Psychiatric Medications Seroquel - Tapered from 700mg to 0mg From April 2018 to August 2021 - Final Dose 6.25mg - In Recovery Past Psychiatric Medications From 1994 to April 2018 - Depakote, Lithium, Risperidone, Xanax, Lamotrigene, Olanzapine, Lorazepam, Welbutrin, Trazodone, Oxazepam, Gabapentin, Abilify, Topiramate, Prazosin, Ambien (See Attached Spreadsheet And Seroquel Tapering And WIthdrawal Summary) Current Non Psychiatric Medications - Levothyroxine 88mcg (a.m.)-Vitamin D3 1000 IU (p.m.)-Fexofenadine 180 mg twice daily -Metoprolol 25mg (p.m.)-Azelastine Nasal Spray-Ipratropium Bromide Nasal Spray Other - Fish Oil Twice Daily-Multi-Vitamin (a.m.)-Vitamin C 1000mg Daily (a.m.)-Saline Nasal Spray-Benadryl-Salsalate 750mg twice daily PRN, Diclofenac Gel on affected joint PRN-Magnesium Citrate 125mg twice dailyQuitting Seroquel_A Vacation In Hell_Redacted.pdf Link to All Uploaded Documents https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/26099-feralcatman-recovering-from-seroquel/?do=findComment&comment=633907 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeralCatman Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 On 9/2/2022 at 5:02 PM, Altostrata said: @Foxclover6 Histamine intolerance can have many different types of symptoms. At this point several months later I have also now added onions back in with no reactions. Today I tried out 2 'Stevia in the Raw' packets in my ginger lemon tea. In a week if things are still okay I am going to try some powdered milk. If that goes okay then I will try decaf coffee again since it is the only thing in my old diet that I really miss in the morning. If that goes okay for a week then I will try out my flavored decaf coffee. I would so love to have that back in the morning. It will do a lot for my mental well being just to have that in my routine again so I can regain some sense of normality. As you can see, this is a very slow process that has to be done carefully and methodically as my body still cannot handle sudden changes of any kind. The reactions are not as severe and are shorter lived now but they are still there. Slow and steady wins the race. 1 Current Psychiatric Medications Paxil 10mg daily (a.m.) 2017 - Present Carbamazepine 400mg daily (split half a.m. and half p.m.) 2011 - Present Recently Stopped Psychiatric Medications Seroquel - Tapered from 700mg to 0mg From April 2018 to August 2021 - Final Dose 6.25mg - In Recovery Past Psychiatric Medications From 1994 to April 2018 - Depakote, Lithium, Risperidone, Xanax, Lamotrigene, Olanzapine, Lorazepam, Welbutrin, Trazodone, Oxazepam, Gabapentin, Abilify, Topiramate, Prazosin, Ambien (See Attached Spreadsheet And Seroquel Tapering And WIthdrawal Summary) Current Non Psychiatric Medications - Levothyroxine 88mcg (a.m.)-Vitamin D3 1000 IU (p.m.)-Fexofenadine 180 mg twice daily -Metoprolol 25mg (p.m.)-Azelastine Nasal Spray-Ipratropium Bromide Nasal Spray Other - Fish Oil Twice Daily-Multi-Vitamin (a.m.)-Vitamin C 1000mg Daily (a.m.)-Saline Nasal Spray-Benadryl-Salsalate 750mg twice daily PRN, Diclofenac Gel on affected joint PRN-Magnesium Citrate 125mg twice dailyQuitting Seroquel_A Vacation In Hell_Redacted.pdf Link to All Uploaded Documents https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/26099-feralcatman-recovering-from-seroquel/?do=findComment&comment=633907 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papaloapan Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 I'm completely off psych meds (7 months), I developed histamine intolerance which caused high levels of histamine in my gut which caused severe leaky gut which is about not be able to absorb nutrients from food, also called malabsorption. I found that probiotics are one of the top 3 supplements to heal leaky gut (link at the end) but regular probiotics or the great majority of probiotics are very high in histamine. So my question is, has anyone found the right probiotics (from fermented food) or probiotic supplement for histamine intolerance? (which has to be a probiotic low in histamine). And not only found it, but also taken it for a while and that it has already given good results in healing leaky gut? I know that probiotics are available in supplements and also in natural fermented foods like kefir, sauerkraut, kombucha tea, kimchi, or miso. Leaky gut is different from IBS (Irritable Bowel Syndrome), IBS is a symptom of leaky gut, leaky gut is the cause of IBS. Link of Dr Ruscio's website in which he mentions the top 3 supplements that heal leaky gut with the research/scientific backing that supports it. The supplements are probiotics, l-glutamine and vitamin D/safe sun exposure, here is the link: https://drruscio.com/leaky-gut-supplements/ In 2008 I was 16 years old. 2008 - 2010 paxil, clonazepam & semisodium valproate. 2013 - 2017 many psych meds with cold switches and CT's prescribed by psychiatrists. Nov/30/17 started quetiapine IR tablets 100mg 0-0-1. Dec/1/17 started pristiq 50mg tablets 1-0-0. Jan/14/18 started 1.5mg melatonin 0-0-1 Tramadol: 2 year well done (slow and gradual) taper: from Mar/12/18 to Feb/11/20 Pristiq taper: Jun/15/20 Converted from pristiq 50mg to efexor xr 75mg for 57 days (felt good). Aug/11/20 weaned to efexor 37.5mg and stayed there for 2 months with 26 days (felt good). Nov/6/20 CT 0mg of efexor xr (felt good). Total time in tapering pristiq 50mg by converting to efexor xr 75mg: 4 months with 22 days: Jun/15/20 to Nov/6/20. (felt good) Efexor 0mg and quetiapine 100mg (Nov/6/20 to Dic/11/20) (felt good being without effexor and taking 100mg quetiapine) Dic/11/20 quetiapine 75mg, so 75mg from Dic/11/20 to Jan/4/21 25 days. Jan/5/21 quetiapine 50mg (1 day in 50mg). Jan/6/21 1st CT of quetiapine. Mar/1/21 CT melatonin. Felt terrible so Mar/25/21 reinstated 100mg quetiapine. 100mg quetiapine 19 days (Mar/25/21 - Apr/13/21) Felt good while in quetiapine 100mg. 75mg quetiapine 55 days (Apr/14/21 - Jun/8/21) the 55th day (Jun/8/21) felt hellish so CT'd quetiapine for a 2nd time on Jun/9/21. Jun/9/21 - Nov/16/21 1st days insomnia, anxiety, took cbd and felt very good many days (healed insomnia & anxiety), CT'd ginkgo which made me felt terrible so reinstated ginkgo. Started intolerable back pain (spasm) so tried other herbs along with cbd, then started derealization, panic, indecisiveness, nostalgia & others. Stopped taking cbd & herbs, reinstated quetiapine 75mg Nov/17/21, immediately after taking it, had severe heart palpitations, so Nov/18/21 back to cbd (no quetiapine). Nov/20/21 reinstated 75mg quetiapine (stopped cbd & herbs), severely couldn't breathe for 5 seconds after taking quetiapine 75mg so reduced to 50 mg on Nov/28/21 had new and worse and very severe adverse effects, got indecisive if CT or keep taking quetiapine because I was terrified of CT, but since the new severe adverse effects were very severe I CT, and because of indecisiveness and panic to CT, I reinstated again, then CT'd and reinstated many times, last time I was taking quetiapine it was 25mg and had severe TD, hellish anhedonia, suicidal, intrusive thoughts of imagining myself running into a wall and crashing into it and I was feeling the pain as if I was doing it in real life, involuntary thoughts of punching my face or head and shashing it against the wall and some times I did punch my face, and when I didn't, I also felt the pain just by imagining it, so definitive CT on Jul/15/22. Free from quetiapine and psych meds since Jul/15/22. MY BEST ADVICE: FOLLOW SA'S GUIDELINES, DON'T CT BECAUSE IT IS HORRIFIC AND BE PATIENT TO WAIT A LONG TIME TO DO VERY SLOW AND GRADUAL TAPERS IN ORDER TO GET OFF OF YOUR MEDICATIONS, IT IS WORTH IT. THE ONLY MOMENTS WHERE IS RIGHT TO CT IS AFTER YOUR 1ST CT THAT YOU DID BECAUSE OF IGNORANCE OR IMPATIENCE, IF YOU REINSTATE AND FEEL SEVERE ADVERSE EFFECTS LIKE TD, ANHEDONIA, FEEL LIKE YOU ARE DROWNING, OR THE ONE'S I HAD, IT IS BEST TO CT IN MY EXPERIENCE, BECAUSE WHEN I REINSTATED I GOT MUCH WORSE THAN WHEN I WAS IN THE PREVIOUS CT. I'm not a doctor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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