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Petunia

I keep trying these things:

 

I also stopped the omega 3's (again) very recently, its been about 5 days now without any.

 

I keep trying to take fish oil, like Narcissus below, because its supposed to help with healing.

 

Just wanted to report that I felt compelled to give Omega 3's another shot today.  About three hours ago I took a teaspoon of Flax seed oil, now I feel drugged, sluggish and anxious.  There's no mistaking it, these things make me feel slightly mad every time I take them.  Ugh!

 

So yesterday morning I tried for the 5th time. I took a quarter of teaspoon of a Carlson liquid brand this one  I had bought it ages ago and had it unopened in the fridge, was scared to try it after all my other attempts. But its been over 2 years I've been 'recovering' and I'm generally feeling a bit better, so I was sure I could tolerate it now.

 

I took it and then completely forgot I'd taken it. By mid afternoon I noticed I was cranky, irritable, negative and in the most awful and restless mood. I was hating everything, including myself. I needed to get out of the house (trying to escape from myself I suppose). I was getting that out of control feeling and headed to the mall, but didn't know why. On the way, decided I needed to buy a couple of t-shirts.

 

It went from bad to worse. Wired, tired and in pain, my body started to ache. I was angry and confused to suddenly be feeling like this. Anger and irritability haven't been a big part of my withdrawal process, the last time I felt like this was when I tried to 'reinstate' an SSRI back in early 2013 and tried a small dose of Prozac.

 

Then I couldn't get to sleep last night, even though I felt exhausted, that never happens to me these days. When I did dose off a few times, I had disturbing dreams and woke up suddenly with adrenaline surges and hot flashes. All that had stopped.

 

Eventually I remembered I'd taken the fish oil, but still find it hard to believe that such a small amount could have caused this reaction after all this time... still. Am I imagining this?

 

Its now the next morning and I'm still feeling irritable and restless. I usually feel worse in the morning, but not like this, I think the akathisia is back slightly.

 

I've tried several brands of capsules, including the ones recommended in this thread. Then I tried evening primrose oil, hemp seed oil, then cod liver oil. My last hope was this brand of liquid which someone else recommended.

 

Its frightening and confusing, I don't understand how a tiny amount of something so benign could effect some people this way, but not others. I was thinking I might buy an eye dropper and take one drop rather than a quarter teaspoon, but changed my mind, my body is obviously telling me it doesn't like this kind of stuff, for whatever reason.

 

I just hope I calm down again soon.

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Petunia

Alto, it was a new bottle, still sealed, well within the expiry date.

 

I'm ok again now, the reaction lasted about 36 hours.... me and fish oil don't get along, I'm just going have to accept it.

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Newbeginning

Hello,

 

I've been wondering if it's worth continuing to take fish oil when I don't see any evidence it has helped my mental health or withdrawal? I have improved but pretty sure it was not due to fish oil as it coincided with reaching a lower dose.

 

Do we take it because we assume it's helping even if we don't see obvious improvement that we can attribute to it?

 

Thanks!

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Altostrata

Fish oil is good for you in general. Next time you get tests from the doctor, ask for an omega-3 test, too. If your omega-3 level is good, you could reduce your dosage.

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apace41

 

I'm ok again now, the reaction lasted about 36 hours.... me and fish oil don't get along, I'm just going have to accept it.

 

Hi, Petunia.  Sorry to hear that you had that kind of reaction.  So strange but there's no accounting for how different things affect different people.

 

Have you tried good old fashioned cold water fish?  I'm wondering if you have an adverse reaction to Omega 3 in the native form.  If you are good with that you can do it the old-fashioned way -- I have sardines pretty regularly as well as salmon.

 

Just some thoughts.

 

Best,

 

Andy

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Altostrata

Newbeginning, once your omega-3 level is topped up, you may not feel the effect of taking fish oil. It's still good for you.

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Newbeginning

That's good to know Alto. I was hoping to see an effect on my mood or on the apathy from the SSRIs, but that didn't happen. I also noticed I respond less to supplements and meds since I started experiencing the apathy (it's as if the apathy cancels out any stimulating effect from other stuff). I still get the ugly activating effects of stimulants, but not the mood enhancing effects. And for non-activating mood enhancers like fish oil, I don't get the mood enhancing effects.

 

I will give it another try when the apathy improves again. If it still doesn't work I might reduce the dose until I test the levels.

 

Thanks for the useful information :)

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Altostrata

Fish oil can be very helpful, but it may not work for that particular symptom.

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Newbeginning

So, for future reference, what do others find it most useful for? Is it more of a relaxing effect like magnesium or an activating effect? (I know this varies by person, but I was wondering in general what is most useful for).

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JanCarol

I don't know if I'm imagining this but normal fish oil increases my anxiety but krill oil does not. I have tried it a few times so do not think its coincidence.

My first thought was food chain.  In general, the higher up the food chain a fish is, the more concentrated are the toxins, such as mercury, radiation, etc.  A tiny little fish like a krill would be very low on the food chain, and very pure.  Additionally, if you eat fish, smaller fish like sardines, herring are preferred to larger ones, like salmon and cod.

then I read this:

I have been taking krill oil for nearly 6 months and have only just noticed that it only has 36 mg of epa. It wasn't cheap either at £9.99 for 30. Just shows I should have read the label!

Oh.  Well.  That could be a major difference.  HOWEVER, even though it is a very small dose, the claims are (I know, everyone makes amazing claims for their products) that the krill is more easily digested and bioavailable. 

 

I take a mixture of both fish and krill.  I think of it like when I am very hungry - I need protein, but if I have that protein with fat and sweet potato, it will step me up until the protein kicks in.  Likewise, the krill is more easily digested, and may have quicker uptake than the fish oil.

 

I got my OmegaQuant done.  It wasn't quite revelatory (you warned me about that, Alto!), but it was useful.

 

here's what it looked like:

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What this tells me is that I'm getting enough Omega 3, but that my ratio to 6 is still high.  

 

I'm less smart about the Arachidonic Acid: EPA ratio, but I reckon I still eat too much junk food in crackers and chips and even nuts.  My husband got a very similar rating, so it is something in our shared diet - most likely red meat.  When he had his stroke, and then cancer, I kept trying to steer our meals away from red meat (or at least to grass fed, or kangaroo, which is higher in Omega 3's), but he kept insisting on more steak, more lamb, more red meat.

 

He didn't take the Omega Quant very seriously, but it is a clear indicator to me that there are still some foods that need to be reduced:  red meats, carbs, and oils.  He eats more fish than I do, I eat more nuts than he does - and yet our ratios are very close to the same.  SO while it doesn't indicate that I'm getting "too much" Omega 3, I am still getting too much Omega 6.  My trend is going to be to continue the high dose Omega 3, and work on the diet some more.

 

I found the report to be helpful, and not too expensive at $49.  I only saved $5 shipping to do it while in the USA - worldwide shipping of the kit is $10, while domestic it is $5.

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JanCarol

princess - The flip side of that is that none of the absorbancy claims are proven.  It is more expensive.  You have to go by how you feel.  That's another reason I mix it with fish oil - sort of a shotgun approach, but it optimizes my "bang per buck."

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starburst

Yes, you are spot on. It's all about our own individual experience, not necessarily what the package says. As a matter of interest a friend was telling me that she takes Emu Oil as she believes it has even higher amounts of Omega 3 than krill oil. That is news to me but I must look in to it. 

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JanCarol

Emu oil does have Omega 3, and apparently some anti-inflammatory properties as well.  I know nothing about the absorption of it, but the emu people here swear by it.

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Altostrata

When our meat animals were permitted to graze naturally grown grass, meat was higher in omega-3 fatty acids. That our meat animal now are mostly grain-fed in pens is a major reason the modern diet is lacking in omega-3 fatty acids.

 

Emus must be free-range, or are there emu farms where they're fed grain? (For some reason, I can't imagine this.)

 

Do you take emu oil by the spoonful, or can you use the skin cream?

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manymoretodays

Interesting Emu oil info.  I am going to have to do a walk by this place where there used to be an Emu farm........I hope they are still there.

 

Yes, tell us more.

 

On the Omega 6.......that is interesting too.  I always thought that indiscriminately adding Omega 6 helped somehow.............with absorption or balance of fatty acids.  Does it?  In the correct ratio as shown in the test result?

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Altostrata

Almost all of us get far too much omega-6 fatty acids in our diet, from vegetable oils. The healthy level is supposed to be a small fraction of the omega-3 level.

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JanCarol

When our meat animals were permitted to graze naturally grown grass, meat was higher in omega-3 fatty acids. That our meat animal now are mostly grain-fed in pens is a major reason the modern diet is lacking in omega-3 fatty acids.

 

Emus must be free-range, or are there emu farms where they're fed grain? (For some reason, I can't imagine this.)

 

Do you take emu oil by the spoonful, or can you use the skin cream?

 

Well, topically it is touted as an arthritis cure-all here.  But when I was talking to a chemist about using it topically for pain and anti-inflammatory properties, the chemist informed me that the cell size of emu oil is too large to penetrate the skin.  This leads me to believe that topical use is completely worthless, other than for making your skin soft (emolliant).

 

I do think they are a free-range animal.  They aren't quite as docile (hah, as if) as an ostrich, though at the zoo they have troughs for feeding.  It is this free-range nature that makes kangaroo meat (grass fed) one of the finest meats at table and for health.

 

Manymore - I'll be curious to hear what you find at your emu farm.  My nearest one is about an hour away, I've never been there.

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Cressida

I ve been taking fish oil and oil of evening primrose daily for decades. 40 months off paxil and still suffering symptoms and all kinds of sensitivities. Propose to stop all supplements. Has anyone had problems stopping ?

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Altostrata

You should keep notes on paper about symptoms relative to when you take your drugs and supplements, to see if fish oil and primrose oil are causing reactions.

 

If you take them at the same time as other drugs and supplements, take them at a different time. For example, take fish oil 2 hours later than the other supplements to isolate its effects and see what happens. If nothing, it's not the fish oil.

 

Then separate the primrose oil, etc.

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JSC7

I have a question regarding Fish Oil pills. I took one about a month ago at night, and within 2 hours I had pretty bad gas and an upset stomach. Not sure if it was the Fish Oil or something else, cause my dinner wasn't really anything out of the ordinary for me. I was on maybe month 2 or 3 of withdrawal from Paxil so I don't know if it was related or not.

 

I'd like to try the pills again, they're 1,200mg each, and I had only taken one. I was interested in the benefits of Magnesium as well, but I believe my multivitamin contains it so I should be good on that front.

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Newbeginning

JSC7,

 

I always get digestive symptoms with fish oil caps, regardless of the brand. I've done better with the liquid. It's something you might want to try. Carlsons has a good liquid fish oil (high EPA and DHA content and good quality safe product).

 

Good luck,

 

NB

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Cressida

2 days off the fish oil. Woke up with body burning and palps at 1am. Much worse at 4am. Got up took the fish oil capsule with toast and tea. Waiting to see if I settle down. Obviously my body is habituated /addicted to the fish oil and or evening primrose. I d been off fish two days and milder reaction yesterday worse today. Capsule only 500mg and EP was 1000 mg. Am ridiculously sensitive. 40 months off. Most of it bad. Can't go through acute again. Any advice ?

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Altostrata

Perhaps the fish oil and evening primrose oil are doing something good for you. I don't understand why you want to go off them.

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oskcajga

Please forgive me if this question seems somewhat ignorant, but you recommended taking 400 IU of vitamin E to help metabolize the omega 3 fatty acids - however that's something like 1000% of recommended value.  Considering that vitamin E is a fat soluable vitamin, and therefore builds up in the liver, rather than getting excreted like B vitamins, wouldn't a daily consumption of 1000% lead to potential vitamin E toxicity, if they're being taken simultaneously with fish oils each day?  With a sensitized nervous system, isn't that potentially problematic?

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Altostrata

http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/ART02813/facts-about-vitamin-e

Dr. Weil recommends supplementing with vitamin E that provides a minimum daily dose of 80 mg of the whole complex, including mixed tocopherols and mixed tocotrienols. It should provide at least 10 mg of tocotrienols. If you can't find that, look for a product with mixed natural tocopherols (400 to 800 IU daily). Avoid dl-alpha-tocopherol, the synthetic form.

 

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primekittycat

I had posted here before that the fish oil I was taking made me very itchy and went away after I stopped taking it. I had salmon last night at dinner, and guess who woke up with itching all over the chest and arms? Sad because I love salmon. Looking for a vegan source of omega 3's now.

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Altostrata

Might be a good idea for you to stay away from fish oil for a very long time.

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LisasLove

Has anyone tried Lovaza? Each one-gram capsule of Lovaza contains 465 mg of EPA and 375 mg of DHA. It's a prescription based Omega-3 so I thought I would try it and hope that it's less expensive since I have insurance. I also have high triglycerides and thought it might help.

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oskcajga

 

Might be a good idea for you to stay away from fish oil for a very long time.

 

For sure. I ordered this last night - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004LL7AXE?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00

 

 

I had that itchy burning feeling from a low quality omega 3 fatty acid supplement.  I've been taking one of the highest quality ones available, with no ill effects:   http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KFP82PA?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00

 

I read another post somewhere on either this thread or another about Norwegian Gold as being one of the top 2 omega 3 supplements not available via prescription.  For those of us low on funds the prescription route is a good idea - I didn't even realize that was an option.

 

On another note, my doctor "prescribed" D3 supplements, but all that meant was that the local CVS pharmacy went into the supplement Isle, opened up a bottle, and poured them into their own prescription bottle.  Source:  I talked to the pharm tech who was preparing my "prescription".  She then insisted that I purchase the same exact thing for buy 1 get 2, so I did that, got 100 pills for $15.

 

I wonder if they also do this sort of thing with omega 3 "prescriptions" or not?

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a99

 

I bought some fish oil today and it says on the label that one pill contains 1000 mg salmon oil , 180 mg EPA and 120 DHA .

How many pills should I take to get the 2000 mg recommanded here ?

 

2,000-3,000 mg EPA + DHA

 

So between 10 and 15 pills per day for your brand.

 

I take this brand here, so I only need to take 3-4 pills a day to get my required doses.  I strongly recommend this brand, I've read it's one of the highest quality fish oil supplements on the market.  Each pill contains about 800 mg of EPA+DHA. 

 

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001FXX3LY/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_2?pf_rd_p=1944687622&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B002AQYAXU&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1PQ6KFBAM5XVEPEPCCCG

 

It's a bit pricey.  I would estimate that it costs about $40 per month using this brand at 3-4 pills a day - but if it's helping me, that's not a very large price.

 

Thank you so much .

Another question : if it's mentioned on the label that the capsules contain B vitamins in them , are those vitamins natrually contained in the fish oil or does that mean that the fish oil is combined with other supplements ? Because I read that many people in WD are hypersensitive to vitamin B supplements and I wanna avoid any possible bad reaction .

And also , each capsule contains 1.4 mg omega  vs 300 mg omega 3 is that a healthy ratio ? 

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oskcajga

 

 

I bought some fish oil today and it says on the label that one pill contains 1000 mg salmon oil , 180 mg EPA and 120 DHA .

How many pills should I take to get the 2000 mg recommanded here ?

 

2,000-3,000 mg EPA + DHA

 

So between 10 and 15 pills per day for your brand.

 

I take this brand here, so I only need to take 3-4 pills a day to get my required doses.  I strongly recommend this brand, I've read it's one of the highest quality fish oil supplements on the market.  Each pill contains about 800 mg of EPA+DHA. 

 

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001FXX3LY/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_2?pf_rd_p=1944687622&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B002AQYAXU&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1PQ6KFBAM5XVEPEPCCCG

 

It's a bit pricey.  I would estimate that it costs about $40 per month using this brand at 3-4 pills a day - but if it's helping me, that's not a very large price.

 

Thank you so much .

Another question : if it's mentioned on the label that the capsules contain B vitamins in them , are those vitamins natrually contained in the fish oil or does that mean that the fish oil is combined with other supplements ? Because I read that many people in WD are hypersensitive to vitamin B supplements and I wanna avoid any possible bad reaction .

And also , each capsule contains 1.4 mg omega  vs 300 mg omega 3 is that a healthy ratio ? 

 

 

B vitamins are water soluble, so it's not very likely that they occur naturally with fish oil (a lipid).

 

I made a mistake in your previous post, your pills contain 300 total omega 3's so it would be 7-10 pills - not 10-15.  Sorry about that.

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cyopher72

I am using this brand. I have just bee taking one a day but it seems to be helping. Thinking about starting 2 a day.

 

EPA 625mg per capsule

DHA 244mg per capsule

 

http://ww.puritan.com/puritans-pride-brand-0102/one-per-day-fish-oil-1360-mg-032948?

 

I started taking the capsule in the evening with dinner and unless it is coincidence it seems to be helping me sleep better. 

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cyopher72

I am using this brand. I have just bee taking one a day but it seems to be helping. Thinking about starting 2 a day.

 

EPA 625mg per capsule

DHA 244mg per capsule

 

http://ww.puritan.com/puritans-pride-brand-0102/one-per-day-fish-oil-1360-mg-032948?

In doing some research I understand triglyceride form is better than ethyl ester and that ethyl ester may even be bad for me? I'm wondering how would I tell? Do they have to list that on the bottle? I quoted my post of what I am using. I wondering if I should switch to something that states is a triglyceride formula?

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cyopher72

I just looked at the label close and it is listed as Ester Omega™ Fish Oil. I wonder should i get something else? Comments?

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