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Hi -- happy to find this site! My history is that I was put on Effexor 75mg ER 11 years ago by my GP - I was in the processing of ending an abusive marriage and situationally depressed. I wish I had never gone on them. I was never depressed before, and have always been a very happy person, joyful. I've tried to get off Effexor a couple of times, slowly tapering. The side effects were still awful and I gave up and went back on. Last fall (October 2012) I traveled for a weekend and forgot to take my pills. When I got home I had been three days without, was having wicked withdrawal already, and just decided to stop cold turkey right then, as I was unemployed at the time and thought I could detox by staying home. I was physically wretched for a full month - shakes, sweats, horrible dreams, naseau, hot and cold. Those symptoms have mostly passed, except it still seems my body temperature regulation is off -- am either hot or cold and fluctuate quickly. However, I am menopausal, so that may be a factor in that part.

 

Four months into this stoppage, am still feeling off - blue fairly often and not my former joyous self. Wondering how long it will take my brain to get right?

 

Probably didn't pick a great time to go off, as there are other situational things happening in life right now also. Last child getting ready to leave home, husband just retiring with some medical issues, still unemployed, and money stress. And the middle of winter!

 

Starting to feel snippets of feeling better, more cheerful, happier, but seeking other people's experiences about the true length of full recovery.

 

Happy to be here, happy to share, and happy to hear about others' experiences. :-)


My GP started me on Effexor 75mg ER 11 years ago to assist with what I now recognize as situational depression. I did not have depression symptoms prior to that time.

Tried to kick it a couple times, but even with slow titrating found the side effects so daunting that I went back on.

October 2012 I missed several doses and thought, OK, let's just kick this cold turkey.

Suffered a full month of the brain zaps, nausea, listlessness, body aches.

Four months since stopping, physical withdrawl symptoms have passed, but emotionally not back to my usual happy self yet.

Hoping that time will lead to full recovery?

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peggy

Nice to meet you Happy Girl!

 

sounds like you are experiencing fairly typical withdrawals, unfortunately no one can predict how long before you will completely recover but it sounds like you are improving.

 

Are you taking any supplements? Fish oil would be helpful to you and maybe some magnesium. Other wise, healthy diet, exercise and good sleep habits.


Started in 2000 - On 150mg most of the time, (but up to 225mg at highest dose for 6 months in the beginning)
Reduced off easily first time - but got depressed (not too much anxiety) 6 months later
Back on effexor for another 9 months.
Reduced off again with no immediate w/d - suddenly got depressed and anxious ++ again 3 or 4 months later.
Back on effexor - this time for 3 years
Reduced off over a month - 6 weeks later terrible anxiety - back on.
Rinse and repeat 4 more times - each time the period before the anxiety comes back got shorter and shorter
Jan - July 2012 75mg down to 37.5mg;, 8/3/12 - 35mg. 8/25/12 - 32mg. 9/11- 28mg, 10/2 - 25mg, 10/29 - 22mg, 11/19 - 19.8mg; 12/11 - 17m,
1/1- 15.5mg; 1/22 -14mg, 2/7 14.9mg, 2/18 - 17.8mg - crashed big time: back to 75mg where i sat for 2 years....

4th  March 2015 - 67.5mg;   31st March - 60mg;  24th April - 53mg; 13th May - 48mg; 26th May - 45mg;  9th June - 41mg; 1 July- 37.5mg; 20 July - 34mg; 11 August - 31mg; 1st Sept - 28mg;  1st Dec - 25.8mg;  28th Dec - 23.2mg; 23rd Jan-21.9mg; Feb 7th- 21mg; March 1st - 20.1mg, March 30th - 18mg

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tezza

Welcome, Happy Girl.

 

Peggy is right, no one can say how long it takes to recover because everyone is different. Hopefully, you're on the mend, however, symptoms can come in waves. It's a good sign that you are starting to feel better.

 

You'll get lots of support here, glad you found us.

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Jemima

Welcome. Ditto my colleagues above - there's no way of knowing how long withdrawal will take. But please read the Discussion on 'Symptoms and self care' for some helpful tips, and check in often. You'll find that many of us - regardless of past prescription drug use - share in the same symptoms and frustrations. I've always found it comforting to know that I'm not some weirdo freak who has symptoms unlike anything in the known universe.

 

I think you'll find the best of unbiased information here as well as friendly, gentle support.


Psychotropic drug history: Pristiq 50 mg. (mid-September 2010 through February 2011), Remeron (mid-September 2010 through January 2011), Lexapro 10 mg. (mid-February 2011 through mid-December 2011), Lorazepam (Ativan) 1 mg. as needed mid-September 2010 through early March 2012

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Introduction: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1588-introducing-jemima/

 

Success Story: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/6263-success-jemima-survives-lexapro-and-dr-dickhead-too/

Please note that I am not a medical professional and my advice is based on personal experience, reading, and anecdotal information posted by other sufferers.

 

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happygirl

Greetings -- I stopped Effexor (75mg) cold turkey in mid-October, 2012 after 11 years on it. So I have been 3.5 months off. Most physical WD symptoms have gone, but I sought out more info and this site because I was still suffering low mood and having anxiety symptoms that I had never had before. Reading all the posts, and following links to medical reports, this made sense, having the newly raw nervous system activate the "alert function' of the adrenal system and all. At least knowing that has made it less upsetting, as I can now recognize that this anxiety is a (hopefully temporary) symptom of brain rewiring, and probably not a new way of life! Also, the info on brain plasticity and the concept that we can change the way we feel by using our thinking mind has been very helpful. Now when that anxiety strikes, I "change the channel", remind myself this is a physical side effect of withdrawal (think my way out of it) and help myself believe that it is likely not permanent.

 

It also frightened me to learn that the reason for slow tapering is to best allow the brain to regenerate. I wasn't happy to learn that cold turkey can result in longer WD and perhaps reduce the chances for full recovery? At least that is what the general conclusion seems to be?

 

I can say I am starting to see some windows of improvement - I am starting to feel happier moments now and then. It is just taking way longer than I anticipated. My worry is this -- Have I permanently damaged my chances at full recovery by stopping abruptly?

 

My question now is -- is it too late to go back and restart on a lower dose of Effexor, with the goal to come back off with appropriate tapering? Or am I too far down the road now and better off to just keep going without any meds? If so, my plan is to increase exercise, do light therapy, and perhaps start 5-HTP supplement, as this precusor to L-trytophan seems to be good at increasing serotonin levels. Anyone have any experience with this supplement? I have been taking St. John's Wort, but there seems to be some evidence that this can excite the adrenal system, which can result in additional anxiety symptoms.

 

Would sure appreciate hearing what other folks have experienced with the cold turkey recovery, and any thoughts you have about going back to a low dose, or keep moving ahead with no meds.

 

So grateful for this community!


My GP started me on Effexor 75mg ER 11 years ago to assist with what I now recognize as situational depression. I did not have depression symptoms prior to that time.

Tried to kick it a couple times, but even with slow titrating found the side effects so daunting that I went back on.

October 2012 I missed several doses and thought, OK, let's just kick this cold turkey.

Suffered a full month of the brain zaps, nausea, listlessness, body aches.

Four months since stopping, physical withdrawl symptoms have passed, but emotionally not back to my usual happy self yet.

Hoping that time will lead to full recovery?

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Altostrata

Happygirl, I moved your latest post here as a continuation of your introduction topic.

 

Cold turkey is certainly a risky way to go off Effexor.

 

From what we've seen, it causes the worst withdrawal symptoms. But people vary in the time it takes to recover, from a few months to many years.

 

If you experience severe adverse reactions to any antidepressant, it's likely your nervous system is sensitized and you will have difficulty with any of them in the future.

 

Since you're seeing windows when you feel better, that's a good sign that you're healing.

 

At this point, after 4 months off, your guess is as good as anyone else's whether taking a little Effexor will help or hurt. Generally, reinstatement is best done immediately upon appearance of withdrawal symptoms.

 

If you try reinstatement, if I were you I'd be very careful and try perhaps 4 beads of Effexor XR (if that's what you were taking) or maybe 1mg of regular Effexor.


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peggy

hi HG - i don't know if reinstatement is worth it at 4 months out if you are having some windows of improvement..I would be more inclined to start yoga, exercise and meditation if you aren't already doing them


Started in 2000 - On 150mg most of the time, (but up to 225mg at highest dose for 6 months in the beginning)
Reduced off easily first time - but got depressed (not too much anxiety) 6 months later
Back on effexor for another 9 months.
Reduced off again with no immediate w/d - suddenly got depressed and anxious ++ again 3 or 4 months later.
Back on effexor - this time for 3 years
Reduced off over a month - 6 weeks later terrible anxiety - back on.
Rinse and repeat 4 more times - each time the period before the anxiety comes back got shorter and shorter
Jan - July 2012 75mg down to 37.5mg;, 8/3/12 - 35mg. 8/25/12 - 32mg. 9/11- 28mg, 10/2 - 25mg, 10/29 - 22mg, 11/19 - 19.8mg; 12/11 - 17m,
1/1- 15.5mg; 1/22 -14mg, 2/7 14.9mg, 2/18 - 17.8mg - crashed big time: back to 75mg where i sat for 2 years....

4th  March 2015 - 67.5mg;   31st March - 60mg;  24th April - 53mg; 13th May - 48mg; 26th May - 45mg;  9th June - 41mg; 1 July- 37.5mg; 20 July - 34mg; 11 August - 31mg; 1st Sept - 28mg;  1st Dec - 25.8mg;  28th Dec - 23.2mg; 23rd Jan-21.9mg; Feb 7th- 21mg; March 1st - 20.1mg, March 30th - 18mg

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happygirl

Thank you all for your thoughts and suggestions! Although I wish I had really understood the consequences of cold turkey, so that I could have done this differently, it seems that at this point I am already far enough down the road to recovery that focusing primarily on good health might be my best bet. I've started taking supplements again (multi, C, D, B-12, folic, fish oil) and restarted exercise, which had fallen off. Today I jumped on the trampoline to start the day and had a bike ride in the middle of the day, and some sunshine late in the day. I think as a result of just that additional activity I feel better than I did even yesterday. Getting back in to yoga is something I know will also improve things. Each day is getting a little longer with more light, that is cheering and makes me hopeful. (I live in Seattle, so the winter gray and low light is a fairly significant factor in Seasonal Affective Disorder for lots of people here - but spring is coming...)

 

Also, just knowing that ramped up anxiety is a WD symptom makes it easier to sidestep it with other thoughts and getting active. I did read in some post that St. John's wort can activate the cortisol system, so I will not be taking that one any longer.

 

I will keep posting what's going on, in hopes that it would be helpful for others as their posts have been for me.

 

Again, I am tremendously grateful for your thoughts, kind words and support.

 

Thank you.


My GP started me on Effexor 75mg ER 11 years ago to assist with what I now recognize as situational depression. I did not have depression symptoms prior to that time.

Tried to kick it a couple times, but even with slow titrating found the side effects so daunting that I went back on.

October 2012 I missed several doses and thought, OK, let's just kick this cold turkey.

Suffered a full month of the brain zaps, nausea, listlessness, body aches.

Four months since stopping, physical withdrawl symptoms have passed, but emotionally not back to my usual happy self yet.

Hoping that time will lead to full recovery?

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dalsaan

Hi Happygirl

 

I endorse all the advice given above. Just one thing, be careful with the supplements, they can be alerting for some people. Our advice is to start them one at a time so you can make sure they aren't tripping your system. B vitamins can do this. Something in your multi might be exacerbating your system and you won't be able to tell which ingredient it is

 

Fish oil and magnesium are usually safe although some people can't tolerate them

 

I know it sounds weird but when your nervous system is in disarray even natural substances can trigger an adverse reaction.

 

Wish you all the best

 

Dalsaan


Please note - I am not a medical practitioner and I do not give medical advice. I offer an opinion based on my own experiences, reading and discussion with others.On Effexor for 2 months at the start of 2005. Had extreme insomnia as an adverse reaction. Changed to mirtazapine. Have been trying to get off since mid 2008 with numerous failures including CTs and slow (but not slow enough tapers)Have slow tapered at 10 per cent or less for years. I have liquid mirtazapine made at a compounding chemist.

Was on 1.6 ml as at 19 March 2014.

Dropped to 1.5 ml 7 June 2014. Dropped to 1.4 in about September.

Dropped to 1.3 on 20 December 2014. Dropped to 1.2 in mid Jan 2015.

Dropped to 1 ml in late Feb 2015. I think my old medication had run out of puff so I tried 1ml when I got the new stuff and it seems to be going ok. Sleep has been good over the last week (as of 13/3/15).

Dropped to 1/2 ml 14/11/15 Fatigue still there as are memory and cognition problems. Sleep is patchy but liveable compared to what it has been in the past.

 

DRUG FREE - as at 1st May 2017

 

>My intro post is here - http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/2250-dalsaan

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happygirl

Thanks for info on the supplements alerting the system. I definitely found that to be true. Once I heard that, I stopped taking the St. John's wort and immediately noticed a decrease in anxiety. I was also taking B12 and will drop that and see if it doesn't get better as well.


My GP started me on Effexor 75mg ER 11 years ago to assist with what I now recognize as situational depression. I did not have depression symptoms prior to that time.

Tried to kick it a couple times, but even with slow titrating found the side effects so daunting that I went back on.

October 2012 I missed several doses and thought, OK, let's just kick this cold turkey.

Suffered a full month of the brain zaps, nausea, listlessness, body aches.

Four months since stopping, physical withdrawl symptoms have passed, but emotionally not back to my usual happy self yet.

Hoping that time will lead to full recovery?

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