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Christiana

Christiana, your bad reaction to vitamin D should lessen in time, as your body uses it up. When you have withdrawal syndrome, your body can be hypersensitive to a lot of things.

 

Vitamin D is stored in the tissues and can last a couple of months.

 

In a month or so, you may wish to get a little more vitamin D. Try to get some sun in the early morning, before it gets hot.

 

Later, as Brandy suggested, you may wish to take fractional doses of a supplement.

 

I couldn't agree more, Alto! Once again, thank you so much for your help. You are very wise about so much to do with withdrawal. I appreciate, beyond words, you providing such a needed and valuable resource, which I'm sure takes a lot more of your time and energy than a lot of people realize, to help those of us with our suffering.

 

Love, Light, & Health,

Christiana

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Christiana

 

Thank you very much for responding, Alex. I always appreciate how kindly, generously, and insightfully you respond to my posts. Actually, more than just mine, as I do read many of your posts all over the board to so many people where you're trying to help them out in some way. I admire you for that. I wish I could help more, instead of need help. I surely don't have it in me right now, but when things finally turn around for me, I'll be sure to pay it forward.

 

Well, thanks. Don't worry about helping, that's for sometime down the line. Right now just put your efforts into yourself and your recovery, as best as able.

 

You know, I dont really have a lot of answers to your questions. I dont know how to expedite a vitamin out of your body. Trying to "detox" yourself, removing a vital compound you're deficient in, I don't have any good advice.

 

For me I had problems with my blood vessels. Pain, hardening, swelling. Stuff like that. I took some vitamin K to help my blood vessels. K is an expensive supplement. And it doesn't expel D. I also took a range of antioxidant foods and supps, from vitamin c to garlic. Just keeping my blood flowing really helped. Fish oil helps with that and also is anti inflammatory and immune modulating, or so I've read. Again, I wish I could be more helpful but I don't know have good answers.

 

I think eating right is a terrific idea. I eat mostly cooked veggies, and i add a dressing with fat to better digest and absorb certain of the nutrients. Usually I add some olive oil.

 

Yes, some people do have trouble with fish oil. Typically it's best to buy a brand with a lot of DHA & EPA per pill, say 1000mg combined. Those can be pricey if money is an issue, especially if you fear atoleration. (atoleration is a word I just inventing meaning failure to tolerate...) Most fish oils come in gel caps or liquid. If you buy the caps you can puncture and remove some oil to start. Make sure you don't buy cod liver oil, this has vitamin d, sometimes a lot of it. Dbl check any fish oil label to make certain it has no vitamin D.

 

Hopefully you will start to feel better soon. I wish I had more, but hang in there.

 

Best,

Alex

 

Thank you very much for sharing information with me, Alex! I really don't have anything to add to what you've said, but you've certainly given me a lot of food for thought. I appreciate that a great deal.

 

P.S. I really like the word "atoleration" you invented. I understand it all too well. Now, if only someone could figure out exactly what it is that's causing it or at least offer some sort of remedy to either ease it some or do away with it altogether. For some strange reason, it wasn't as bad for me the 2nd year, but now the 3rd and into the 4th year it seems to have gotten worse with me. Life certainly hasn't been easy for me, during these times, yet I still can't figure out why it's not better, but is worse, instead. Perhaps it's darkest before the dawn? Maybe my body is working harder than ever now to heal and the least thing I give it to throw it off balance really upsets the balance it's trying so hard to achieve. That's what I'm choosing to think, for now, anyway.

Love, Light, & Health,

Christiana

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solida

Christiana, don t worry too much,the symptoms will drop soon again...

 

I have tried a lot of diffrent supplements in different stages of withdrawal and I had a bad reaction to all of them.

Sometimes my anxiety and akathesia went up to the roof and sometimes I reacted with severe depresseion.I always tried only a tiny bit of the supplement.The symptoms dropped within a few days.

 

Only with St.Johns word I had a relapse for about 6 months.

 

 

I m 4,5 years into withdrawal now and still can t tolerate anything.

 

You will be fine again soon,

 

lg solida

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Rhiannon

Just another voice to say "don't worry, it will get better soon..."

 

because I think it will.

 

Anything you could do to rush the vitamin D out of your tissues (and the only thing I can think of would be to starve and lose a lot of fat quickly) would just dump it into your bloodstream, which is where it causes problems. Better to NOT rush it out of your tissues (in other words, try NOT to lose fat right now) and let it gradually percolate out at a rate that your body can adjust on its own.

 

By the way, my daughter also always gets depressed on birth control pills. I wish I could persuade her not to take them. It's so painful to see her like that. And it's messing up her relationship and her life. I wish I could persuade her to use a barrier method, but she's just not open to it. I think there are problems with the boyfriend about that, too. So frustrating.

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antoinette

I started taking vitamin d and noticed I'm achey and my anxiety went through the roof. I didn't know it could do this but that's the only thing I've done different. I was actually doing pretty good until I started this crap. Anyone have this happen?

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antoinette

Thank you, I'll look now!

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Altostrata

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/sleep-newzzz/201301/vitamin-d-deficiency-and-daytime-sleepiness

 

Vitamin D Deficiency and Daytime Sleepiness

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Vitamin D has received a great deal of attention recently. Vitamin D has long been recognized as primarily a regulator of calcium and phosphorus, helping to protect bone density. In recent years, however, our understanding of the functions of Vitamin D in the body has expanded. Vitamin D is now understood to play an important role in metabolic and immune system functions. Vitamin D deficiency has been linked to a number of illnesses and chronic conditions, including high blood pressure, diabetes, metabolic syndrome, pulmonary disease, and chronic pain.

 

We’ve seen evidence that Vitamin D deficiency is associated with sleep problems, particularly with daytime sleepiness. A new study examined the link between daytime sleepiness and Vitamin D, and also considered one of the major risk factors of Vitamin D deficiency: skin pigmentation.

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Gem

The writer of the article mentions a GP who looks for an alternative to antidepressants.

 

 

We all need 'nature’s Prozac’

 

Our recent run of sunless summers and long, grey winters may be the cause of widespread vitamin D deficiency and a host of symptoms from lethargy to depression and poor immune health

 

By Jane Gordon

8:21PM BST 07 Apr 2013

 

For most of my adult life I have avoided doctors. They have been figures of fear for me since the day, aged eight, that I managed to convince my gentle and indulgent mother that I had such a bad stomach ache that I couldn’t go to school. It wasn’t the first occasion I had managed to pull off the “sick trick” – I was highly accomplished at faking symptoms that were not quite serious enough for a visit to the doctor’s surgery but allowed me a precious day at home.

 

But on this particular occasion I was so convincing that my alarmed mother called the doctor and, worried I would be found out, I so overdid the moans of agony when he examined me that an ambulance was called and I was rushed into hospital for an emergency – but quite unnecessary – appendectomy. As a result of that traumatic experience I have only ever gone near a doctor in the intervening years when I was pregnant or one of my three children was ill (or had pulled a “sick trick” on me).

 

Ironically it was severe stomach pain (real, not imagined) that forced me, for the first time in nearly 10 years, to see a doctor in late January. There were other symptoms: lethargy, loss of appetite and – something I had never suffered from before – depression. The doctor, a locum, diagnosed a possible kidney infection, and put me on antibiotics. But in the following weeks I developed unrelated infections, took two more courses of antibiotics and even underwent hospital X-rays as the locum sought to find the cause of what he called my “symptoms of a low immune system”.

 

When I Googled “causes of a low immune system”, I found a number of frightening results, such as TB, Aids, cancer and hepatitis. Finally, a simple blood test taken from me by the practice nurse identified a far less serious but increasingly common problem.

 

I had a severe vitamin D deficiency that had suppressed my immune system and was the likely cause of my depression. The cure was a capsule of pharmaceutical strength vitamin D (20,000 IU) to be taken once a week for three months. One day, about six weeks into my course, I was suddenly overwhelmed by a feeling of wellbeing and I understood that I was not just cured, I was transformed.

 

But I was also angry. Why had I not known about the importance of vitamin D – which is essential for regulating the phosphate and calcium in our body so that our bones and teeth remain healthy? Worse, why didn’t I know that the chief source of vitamin D (only a small number of foods contain the vitamin) comes from our skin’s exposure to sunlight? Why hadn’t the Department of Health instituted a programme to educate an increasingly vulnerable nation – that has gone through two long, long cold winters and a predominantly sunless couple of summers – about the dangers of becoming vitamin-D-deficient?

 

Had the public been better informed, I would have recognised my own symptoms and self-treated my deficiency with a high-strength vitamin D supplement (which can be bought over the counter for around £35 for 30 once-a-week capsules) and would have saved myself from debilitating infections. That way too, rather like that appendectomy when I was eight, the three courses of antibiotics, the tests and the X-rays would have been entirely unnecessary.

 

At the end of the three months, I had a final appointment at my local surgery and instead of the locum I saw one of the permanent partners in the GP practice. The doctor, who had also suffered the effects of low vitamin D, told me that she thought there might be a link between a deficiency and the “epidemic” of women patients suffering from depression. Instead of prescribing anti-depressants, she was beginning to think, women should be given vitamin D supplements. Vitamin D could be “nature’s Prozac”, she said.

 

Scientist and award-winning medical journalist Oliver Gillie, who has long campaigned on this subject, believes that more testing could prove that in Britain – a country he describes as being “on the edge of the habitable world as far as sunshine is concerned and where it is not possible to get enough vitamin D from food” – everyone should be taking vitamin D supplements during the long winter months.

 

But there are other reasons why more and more women are suffering from low vitamin D counts. For a time, government-sponsored campaigns drummed into us that exposure to ultraviolet radiation from the sun (or sun beds) can cause skin cancer. As a result, we stopped going out in the midday sun and started to smother our bodies (and our children’s bodies) in high-factor sun lotion, unaware that in doing so we are blocking the vital production of vitamin D through our skin.

 

Women have also been subjected to anti-sunshine propaganda in the beauty pages of glossy magazines, warning of the danger of sun damage – the speeding up of the ageing process. Sunbathing is now regarded as a habit almost as harmful as smoking 50 cigarettes a day or mainlining heroin. Even the cast of The Only Way is Essex are rejecting sun lounging and sun beds in favour of factor-60 spray tans.

 

But staying out of the sun – unless you are fortified with vitamin D supplements – could be almost as damaging as ultraviolet radiation. Several A-list celebrities have recently revealed that they have been diagnosed with a vitamin D deficiency. Gwyneth Paltrow now lets the sun on her skin for a few minutes a day, because her very low vitamin D level prevented her from absorbing calcium and has made her vulnerable to osteopenia, a thinning of the bones. And last year Kylie Minogue told me that she too had a problem. “I was the person in the shade with sunscreen, but then I discovered I was vitamin-D-deficient so I actually get a little sun on my body, not on my face, and I am taking vitamin D supplements,” she said.

 

Department of Health and cancer charities’ advice now puts the emphasis on avoiding sunburn and very strong sun rather than staying out of the sun altogether. However, Gillie is worried that vital research into the long-term effects of a vitamin D deficiency – particularly the possible link to depression – will never be carried out because it is not in the interest of the drug companies. He says: “No one can put a patent on vitamin D and sell it.”

 

But now at least I – and you, dear readers – know the truth.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/9977553/We-all-need-natures-Prozac.html

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btdt

I made a post about this today.  Vit D3 causes anxiety sleeplessness and one large dose of what was to be a daily thing ordered by my doc caused blinding light in my eyes head ache and heart issues.  

 

Very odd... just can't take it. 

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Finn

My endocrinologist prescribed me a high dose vitamin D to take weekly for my hormone/ blood sugar issues. I have no idea what it did for me, if anything, because I have always been on psych drugs since taking it.

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btdt

My endocrinologist prescribed me a high dose vitamin D to take weekly for my hormone/ blood sugar issues. I have no idea what it did for me, if anything, because I have always been on psych drugs since taking it.

Did the need for psych drugs come after the vit D?  

Just curious it would suck to learn they were treating Vit D induced anxiety with a ssri...snri.

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Finn

The vitamin D was after the first antidepressant so there's no correlation there.

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btdt

It was an endocrinologist who ordered400mg  for me when I was trying to get to the bottom of the first reaction.  I  could not sleep after three days of Vit D 3 400mg so went off a few days to get sleep then continued ...the last wk of the month long test took it the entire wk did not sleep the last few days was fit to be tied by the time the last blood and urine test were due... results the more I take the lower my Vit D goes... Docs answer take even more 400 was not enough.  not a chance.

She failed to hear the part where I can't sleep and want to jump out of my skin after the last wk my thought processes was scrambled did good to get to the apt bit pissed I went thru all that for nothing. Still have no understanding of this issue.  

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Altostrata

Sounds like your system doesn't like a lot of supplemental, maybe synthetic vit D. Maybe cod liver oil instead?

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Finn

This might be beneficial to anyone else who has diabetes, insulin resistance or another metabolic syndrome like it:

 

Researchers from the Loyola University Chicago Niehoff School of Nursing found that Vitamin D supplements can significantly lower blood pressure and improve moods of women with type 2 diabetes, and help them lose a few pounds.

 

http://psychcentral.com/news/2013/06/26/vitamin-d-can-improve-mood-among-diabetics/56503.html

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Christiana

Christiana, don t worry too much,the symptoms will drop soon again...I have tried a lot of diffrent supplements in different stages of withdrawal and I had a bad reaction to all of them.Sometimes my anxiety and akathesia went up to the roof and sometimes I reacted with severe depresseion.I always tried only a tiny bit of the supplement.The symptoms dropped within a few days.Only with St.Johns word I had a relapse for about 6 months.I m 4,5 years into withdrawal now and still can t tolerate anything.You will be fine again soon,lg solida

Thank you very much for the words of encouragement, Solida!  

I'm fine now.  I just wish I knew why I reacted the way I did and how I can get my vitamin D levels up without getting so sick.  Ugh!

 

I'm starting my 5th year into withdrawal.  I see, when you replied, you were 4 1/2, and should now be 5 1/2.  How has your healing progressed? What symptoms do you have now and how bad are they? Have you found anything that helps?

 

Sorry for such a very late response.  I lost track of this post I made and just now found it.

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Christiana

Just another voice to say "don't worry, it will get better soon..."

 

because I think it will.

 

Anything you could do to rush the vitamin D out of your tissues (and the only thing I can think of would be to starve and lose a lot of fat quickly) would just dump it into your bloodstream, which is where it causes problems. Better to NOT rush it out of your tissues (in other words, try NOT to lose fat right now) and let it gradually percolate out at a rate that your body can adjust on its own.

 

By the way, my daughter also always gets depressed on birth control pills. I wish I could persuade her not to take them. It's so painful to see her like that. And it's messing up her relationship and her life. I wish I could persuade her to use a barrier method, but she's just not open to it. I think there are problems with the boyfriend about that, too. So frustrating.

Thank you very much for your support, Rhi!

 

I'm so sorry to hear about your daughter.  I hope she will listen to your voice of reason, if she hasn't already.

 

I'm fine now.  I just wish I knew why I reacted the way I did and how I can get my vitamin D levels up without getting so sick.  Ugh!

 

Sorry for such a very late response.  I lost track of this post I made and just now found it.

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compsports

Interestingly, I took alot of vitamin D on Saturday and felt my cognition was improved. Slept 8 hours (not on pap machine) which hadn't been done in months.

 

Took slightly yesterday and had one my worst nights of sleep. Guess I need to back it down and start more slowly.

 

Very frustrating.

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Christiana

Interestingly, I took alot of vitamin D on Saturday and felt my cognition was improved. Slept 8 hours (not on pap machine) which hadn't been done in months.

 

Took slightly yesterday and had one my worst nights of sleep. Guess I need to back it down and start more slowly.

 

Very frustrating.

Hi CS,

 

I'm happy to hear you benefited from it, but sad to hear it took a turn for the worse.

 

How much did you take? Maybe you could try taking less of it per day? If you still have issues taking it, maybe you could try taking it just a few times a week? When I had problems taking it, that's some advice I was given.  I just haven't wanted to try taking it again yet.

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Thanks Christiana, I did take less yesterday (around 5000IU) and slept enough hours although unfortunately, it was off of the machine. I think my poor night of sleep the previous night might have had to do with trying a too high setting on the pap machine.  Who knows?

 

I am beginning to think it really doesn't matter what I take as the issue is I am intolerant of a treatment that I need so I can function.

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Christiana

Thanks Christiana, I did take less yesterday (around 5000IU) and slept enough hours although unfortunately, it was off of the machine. I think my poor night of sleep the previous night might have had to do with trying a too high setting on the pap machine.  Who knows?

 

I am beginning to think it really doesn't matter what I take as the issue is I am intolerant of a treatment that I need so I can function.

Hi CS,

 

I'm so sorry to hear about this.  Sending lots of positive calming thoughts and prayers your way.  (((hugs)))

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compsports

Thanks, I really appreciate your calming thoughts.

 

CS

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Christiana

You're quite welcome, CS! Anytime. (hugs)

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btdt

This might be beneficial to anyone else who has diabetes, insulin resistance or another metabolic syndrome like it:

 

Researchers from the Loyola University Chicago Niehoff School of Nursing found that Vitamin D supplements can significantly lower blood pressure and improve moods of women with type 2 diabetes, and help them lose a few pounds.

 

http://psychcentral.com/news/2013/06/26/vitamin-d-can-improve-mood-among-diabetics/56503.html

I am not too big on studies anymore guess I have read so many at this point and suspect half of them are bought and paid for lies... lol sorry I did not even look at it I am so jaded... but I did wonder was this D or D3... I am having some diabetic issues trying to deal with diet just now... not working so well. 

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cymbaltawithdrawal5600

I sure know what you mean about 'study cynicism'. Probably not in this case, though. As a 4 year RN it was expected that we would be researchers too. Let see, Chicago: probably crappy winter weather, don't get outdoors much in the winter. Vit D is a hormone and its easy to take as a supplement and may very well help with insulin problems. Stop by my intro thread, I have some recent postings about D where I think the amt in my 'supplements' may have annoyed my heart into palpitations. I found a source somewhere about how much sunlight is needed (and when) for the body's D needs. My problem is that D3 (cholecalciferol) is now added to everything because it is cheep and 'scientists' think we are now getting D deficient because of sunscreen use (they may be right but I'm in FL, don't lay out, don't use sunscreen unless I have to be out like kayaking) so all the nutsupps and foods have it and now maybe we will be getting too much D.

 

My cynicisn is slanting more towards the supplement industry but it's not a fight I want to take on. It's much harder to be an informed consumer tempering her desire for a set and forget magic bullet pill (of any persuasion). But I think that's what I have to do.

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cymbaltawithdrawal5600

Saw this thread on my way out the door and just wanted to chime in on my D problem. I think I narrowed down a recent increase in heart palpitations to too much D, it's in my multivits AND the high quality omega 3 I bought. I found a couple of articles about it (one NOT advocating supplementation, but Dr. knows best?) and it is indeed a hormone. My post has the links:

 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4243-cymbaltawithdrawal5600-introduction/page-4#entry58020

 

Ooops, some of us have to be REALLY careful with the supplements. I see, Christiana, that this topic is a little old, I hope you got better. I am not taking anything in the way of supplementation right now. It will take some effort to find D-less supplements, the powers-that-are are thinking we all need it so it's in nearly everything and at amounts of 100 to 200 percent of the RDA. Yikes!

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btdt

I sure know what you mean about 'study cynicism'. Probably not in this case, though. As a 4 year RN it was expected that we would be researchers too. Let see, Chicago: probably crappy winter weather, don't get outdoors much in the winter. Vit D is a hormone and its easy to take as a supplement and may very well help with insulin problems. Stop by my intro thread, I have some recent postings about D where I think the amt in my 'supplements' may have annoyed my heart into palpitations. I found a source somewhere about how much sunlight is needed (and when) for the body's D needs. My problem is that D3 (cholecalciferol) is now added to everything because it is cheep and 'scientists' think we are now getting D deficient because of sunscreen use (they may be right but I'm in FL, don't lay out, don't use sunscreen unless I have to be out like kayaking) so all the nutsupps and foods have it and now maybe we will be getting too much D.

 

My cynicisn is slanting more towards the supplement industry but it's not a fight I want to take on. It's much harder to be an informed consumer tempering her desire for a set and forget magic bullet pill (of any persuasion). But I think that's what I have to do.

Managing symptoms with daily supplements: C 500mg, EHA/780 DHA/120, ~80mg mag citrate, ASA 81mg, B12 .5gm SL, low dose multivit, 70ozs water, 10" walk

Anything I say might be wrong

 

wow that is a lot of supplements... to me it is a lot... I try to get what I need in food.  

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cymbaltawithdrawal5600

I must re-do the sig because I am not taking any of them right now. It was important for me to remind myself of what I had decided to take based on recommendations here. But I stopped them all when the heart acted up. Changing your sig changes it for every single post you have ever made on this forum, so that is why it is still the same. I need to rethink what I want to tell you about what I am doing/feeling as I am on no meds and not sure if I even want to include the supplement info there at all.

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btdt

This might be beneficial to anyone else who has diabetes, insulin resistance or another metabolic syndrome like it:

 

Researchers from the Loyola University Chicago Niehoff School of Nursing found that Vitamin D supplements can significantly lower blood pressure and improve moods of women with type 2 diabetes, and help them lose a few pounds.

 

http://psychcentral.com/news/2013/06/26/vitamin-d-can-improve-mood-among-diabetics/56503.html

A few years ago my doc tried to put me on metforming I did not bite after seeing the side effects... I react badly to Vit D3 too.... I am sure the anxiety I get from D3 raises my bp rather than lowering it... and the insomnia is just not worth it...

 

Some people have an understanding of the neurotransmitters that have been played with thru ssri and snri ...that they are hormones and use the term hormone and neurotransmitter interchangably... now if the D is also a hormone ... it would make some sense that using these drugs could have messed with the entire system... 

 

one more thing the more D3 I take the lower my D level in my blood measures... it would appear to the novice which I am that my body is working hard to keep D low for a reason... and so far if I have learned anything it is that my body is much smarter than I am and likely much smarter than those pushing these drugs too...just my opinion for what that may be worth.

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Dr. Brogan said researchers are suspecting something besides lack of sunlight is contributing to low vit D levels, maybe the effect of glycosolate (sp), Roundup, on the liver. They are seeing levels like 13 in some people living in Hawaii...doesn't make sense. Vitamin K2 is important if you supplement vitamin D. Mercola.com has some articles on it.

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i got my blood tests back and found that I'm low in vitamin D. (target is 30-100 and I'm 25.)

I'm surprised as i eat healthy, take walks outside and live in california, take a vitamin that has a good amount of vitamin D, and I've been taking cal-mag citrate with vitamin D in it as well. i take 2400mg of omega 3 fish oil too but not sure if that has any vitamin D.

i found this article that says there may be a relationship between vitamin D and depression. which causes which is unclear:

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/reading-between-the-headlines/201307/vitamin-d-deficiency-and-depression

 

has anyone who has had low vitamin D and depression and raised it to normal levels notice a decrease in depression?

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btdt

Dr. Brogan said researchers are suspecting something besides lack of sunlight is contributing to low vit D levels, maybe the effect of glycosolate (sp), Roundup, on the liver. They are seeing levels like 13 in some people living in Hawaii...doesn't make sense. Vitamin K2 is important if you supplement vitamin D. Mercola.com has some articles on it.

Serum 25(OH)D levels were inversely associated with A1C levels (r = −0.116, p = .003). This relation maintains its independence in the multivariate analysis after adjusting for age, sex, A1C, BMI, treatment and duration of diabetes and nephropathy.

Conclusions

In type 2 diabetic patients, high A1C levels are associated with low concentrations of serum 25(OH)D independently of duration of diabetes, diabetic treatment and nephropathy. Future studies are needed to clarify the biological relation between glucose control and vitamin D metabolism in type 2 diabetes.

 

three are some graphs on this page I do not understand referring to ACI and D blood tests... 

Glycated Haemoglobin Is Inversely Related to Serum Vitamin D Levels in Type 2 Diabetic Patients

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0082733

 

last blood work my sugar was good due to diet alone 

 

" Vitamin D may improve glucose-stimulated insulin secretion in pancreatic β-cells [11], enhance glucose and lipid metabolism in skeletal muscle [12][13], and ameliorate systemic inflammation [14]. Most, but not all, patients with T2D or glucose intolerance may have lower serum 25(OH)D levels when compared to healthy control subjects [15]. Interestingly, a recent study found that serum 25(OH)D levels increased after the correction of acute hyperglycemiasuggesting a bidirectional biologic relation between blood glucose levels and 25(OH)D metabolism. In order to pursue this hypothesis we believe that it is important to determine whether the correlation between A1C and 25(OH)D is independent when adjusted for influential variables, such as duration of diabetes or nephropathy.

Therefore, the aim of the present study was to investigate the independence of the relation between A1C and serum 25(OH)D in an ample cohort of ambulatory type 2 diabetic.  " 

 

Here it says only in women may relate to other hormonal issue only women have.

" Previous studies have observed a significant inverse correlation between A1C and serum 25(OH)D levels both in non diabetic and in diabetic subjects [7][10]. A study reported a significant inverse correlation only in diabetic women "

 

I now can't help but wonder about the pancreas part in all of this. Since my recent pancreas trouble. 

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A 2010 analysis of data from 10 studies did not find any association of vitamin D levels and 6 less common types of cancer -- endometrial, esophageal, gastric, kidney, non-Hodgkin lymphoma, and ovarian. And, people with the highest vitamin D levels seemed to have a higher, rather than lower, chance of developing pancreatic cancer. In one study, smokers with higher blood levels of vitamin D were 3 times more likely to develop pancreatic cancer than those with low levels.

 

That is interesting... 

http://www.cancer.org/treatment/treatmentsandsideeffects/complementaryandalternativemedicine/herbsvitaminsandminerals/vitamin-d

 

I know I can find more studies that will say the opposite... that is why this one is so interesting... who to believe. 

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Jemima

Although I consider myself about 98% over antidepressant withdrawal, I was still having trouble getting to sleep at night. For some reason, it occurred to me that the high (6,000 I.U.) dose of Vitamin D3 I was taking every day might be the problem, so at first I just cut back to one 2,000 I.U. capsule every other day, which didn't seem to help much, and then I cut to none at all.  I had no trouble at all getting to sleep that night and that situation has overall improved, although there are sometimes other factors that make it difficult to sleep.

 

I'm not sure how to judge when to start taking a D3 supplement again without getting regular blood tests, but I expect I have a way to go after taking such a high dose for at least a year.  Any ideas?

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All I know is I can't sleep at all if I take it.  I only found out I was low when I broke my foot doing a hop for the kids in the kitchen.  It was low then but not deficient like it is now... I broke the same foot last year.  Still I can't tolerate it and doctors keep trying to scare me with the thought of a spine fracture I don't want that but I need to sleep too.  I think only another who has been thru the sleeplessness of withdrawal would understand how important sleep is to me. I would rather sleep I may break a bone or even a back but I need to live now and I can't do that without sleep. 

Sorry that is about all I got. 

peace

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