Athena: journey through depression and antidepressants ...

[Flowers]

That is such good news Athena! I am pleased you are getting some good sleep - sleep makes everything seem better.

 

I hope you continue with this trend and the herbs help you.

 

I had to do a small updose too - just waiting to see if it helps.

 

Hugs

 

 

Flowers xxx

[doggiemama]

Hi hope you had a better day. I found the more I stress about not getting normal sleep the worse it became . Many I suggest instead of worrying about it just get into bed and relax don't tell yourself it's late I need to sleep just close your eyes and relax sleep will.eventually come on it's own. I try not to focus to much on sleeping but more relaxing .

[Athena]

Hi guys, I am in such a bad shape. I have been having severe insomnia for the past 8 months. I was waiting to write to be able to give a positive update but well, I couldn't. The last bout of insomnia finally stabilized like I say in my last post but then it started again last August. My last cut of Paxil was in July.  It varies a lot, ranging from no sleep at all, 2 or 3 hours or, on the best nights, 2 bouts of about 3h. I feel so tired, but wired, like "on speed", especially at night. I increased the paxil by 0.1mg in January, it didn't help. Then I decreased my thyroid medication for hypothyroidism (cytomel) a month ago because I felt I was too hyper, my TSH had been lower than before and I was loosing weight. It made my menstrual cycle more normal, kind of helped the insomnia for a bit but didn't last. Now I'm thinking I might have advanced adrenal fatigue and I wonder if I should do something about that (saliva test, supplements for that...?) What do you guys think? I am so lost and at the end of my rope. For sleep I still take the magnesium with taurine, melatonin 1mg (which I tried to increase to 2mg, didn't help consistently), my herbal tea mix, the skullcap tincture and the valerian mix tincture.

 

Increase melatonin to a 10mg sustained release? Try CBD? Thank you all for any suggestion, opinion or support ...

[direstraits]

hi Athena,

I really don't know what will help you but I just wanted to say hello and how sorry I am for your suffering.

I've been having trouble sleeping lately,too and it just makes things so much worse,I hope the mods can help you ,

nobody should have to suffer like this,it's beyond comprehension.

I feel the same as you " so lost and at the end of my rope" so scared it will never end.

hope you can get relief soon.

much love and healing,ds

[Athena]

DS thank you so much for your kind wishes. Yes, when we are suffering so much we are terrified that it will never end. I mean logically it has to, and we read the words of others who finally get better, but it's like we don't feel it's going to happen for us, THIS time. And yes, the insomnia is torture, I am so sorry you are going through this too. I hope sleep finds you soon, and that you feel much better.

Love,

Athena

[FarmGirlWorks]

I just read a little bit of your thread and am amazed by your patience -- you've come so far. We WILL all get better but as you say, it is hard to believe sometimes. Hugs!

[Athena]

Thank you FarmGirlWorks. hugs to you too.

 

I'm going to the doctor today, will try do get more lab tests than only the TSH for the thyroid. Will adjust from that. Still losing a bit of weight.

 

I am feeling dizzy and still the wired feeling, with sometimes palpitations, so tiring. I feel a tightness in my throat at the thyroid level. I managed to get 2x about 3h of sleep with a 1h30 hole in the middle of the night, which is a good night. I had taken for the first time a prolonged-release 3mg melatonin. But I don't feel rested.

[direstraits]

11 minutes ago, Athena said:

But I don't feel rested.

I feel this way,too, it's awful isn't it?

can't even remember the last time I woke up feeling any energy and ready to start the day.

wonder if I'll ever get caught up on lost sleep...

hang in there..

ds   xx

[Athena]

It is indeed DS... And this wired, panicked, "on speed" feeling... Before these last 8 months I never had that for such prolonged time during the night or so often even during the day... Never had such bad insomnia to last so long as well. This is a very difficult time for me... But thank you DS, hang in there you too...xx

 

Last night I had about 2h of sleep only at the end of the night, so I don't think the melatonin sustained release 3mg is helping more. I think I'll go back to the 1mg tonight.

 

Has anyone been successful with CBD for insomnia? I also saw a link from Altostrata about Lactium... Anyone was successful with that? Thinking of trying one or the other. 

[Athena]

Received my yellow glasses to stop blue light and be able to watch telly with my boyfriend in the evening... One of the only pleasures I can have these days don't want to ditch it even if I know I should avoid screens for sleep. Hope the yellow glasses will help. Also got my night eye mask, might help as well, who knows. Ordered the milk peptides from LifeExtension, will try that. I am desperate for sleep and rest.

Wishing everyone good healing...

[Dude]

What might help with your insomnia is Montmorency Tart Cherry Extract which is completely natural and contains a lot of melatonin. And the good thing about it is that, unlike a lot of melatonin products, it's not habit forming (as far as I know and as far as I can tell from personal experience). The company called "Point of Return" - which specializes in helping people with coming off psychiatric drugs and/or with recovering from withdrawal - sells them on their website (with which I'm not personally affiliated, by the way). The product has simply been named "Sleep" and I've had good experiences with it in the past (though perhaps LifeExtension has something similar on offer). They also offer a product containing milk peptides which they call "Relax". Then there's magnesium, of course, which might also help. But that's probably been mentioned already.

 

What I've also found very useful when it comes to dealing with sleep difficulties are audio tracks that have so-called binaural beats and/or isochronic tones embedded in them. What works quite well for me is the "Sleep Easy Solution" by the company "Project Meditation". Costs just under $100 but is well worth it, in my opinion (and again, I'm not affiliated with that company either). But you can also find similar tracks on youtube that will have a similar effect. Just type "sleep binaural beats" or "sleep isochronic tones" in the search bar.

 

Lastly, there's a song that is apparently scientifically proven to reduce anxiety called "Weightless" by the band Marconi Union. Here's a link to the YouTube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfcAVejslrU

 

There's also a 30 minute and a 10 hour version of that song on YouTube, by the way.

 

Hope this helps.

 

P.S.: The blue light blocking glasses are a good idea. Mine broke, unfortunately, but I might get myself another pair since they do seem to help.

 

[Athena]

Hey Dude, thank you so much for stopping by and your nice recommendations. I already take melatonin, but I will sure look into those tart cherries extract and the easiest way for me to find them. I have tried some relaxing music and although I love Marconi Union, it doesn't seem to induce sleep for me. I will try the binaurial beats though. A dear friend suggested quercetin so I will try that tonight. I am wearing the yellow glasses to write this; it takes some getting used to!

 

How are you holding up lately? All the best to you.

 

[Dude]

Hi Athena. Thanks for your reply. I'm doing alright, thanks. I've just looked up quercetin, as I'd never heard of it before. It seems as though it has a lot of beneficial properties. However, I also just read that it's "neuroactive" and has a similar effect to caffeine (though milder). I'm not sure how accurate the information is that I've come across, but I'd still be a bit cautious if I were you when it comes to experimenting with substances that aren't well-known with regards to their effects.

 

This might sound a bit ironic, considering that I've suggested tart cherry extract to you, which I'd never heard of before I purchased it on the website I'd mentioned and which is obviously new to you too (understandably). But the company who sells it as part of their program (i.e. "Point of Return") seems to know their stuff when it comes to supplements that can help in cases such as ours (both from personal experience by the founder of the company and the research behind them). Also, and as mentioned, I've tried the tart cherry extract myself for a good while and never had a bad reaction to it, so it seems to be a safe bet (and that's coming from someone who's hypersensitive to a lot of other substances).

 

As for the track "Weightless", you're right that it probably doesn't induce sleep, since it presumably induces a so-called "alpha wave" brain state instead (like when you're daydreaming), but it might help ease your anxiety during the day a little bit which in turn might make it easier to get to sleep at night. The binaural beats for sleep are usually in what's known as the "delta range", by the way, which is the brain wave range that corresponds with deep relaxation and sleep. There's quite a lot of them on youtube (some more serious and others a bit more far out and "new agey" (you'll see what I mean once you've had a look)) but just try a few of them out until you find something you like and that works for you.

[Dude]

I've just read another article on quercetin. It's in German, so I won't send you the link What it basically boiled down to was that although quercetin can be beneficial in its natural form (it can be found, for example, in onions), the author of the article wrote that it can also have somewhat negative effects in form of a supplement. He also provides several links to articles, one being a link to a pubmed article (pubmed's a database of medical studies that can be publicly accessed, hence the name) in which it's claimed that quercetin can have an early protective effect but can potentially have a long-term negative (i.e. toxic) effects. However, they also say that more research needs to be done before drawing any final conclusions.

 

Here's the link to that article: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18756631

 

Anyway, I don't mean to scare you, Athena (and hope I haven't). Because I'm sure that even if you took a dose tonight, not much would happen and that you'd probably only have a bit of a headache at worst. I only urge you to be careful when experimenting with supplements and taking advice from others (as well meaning as it may be), especially if they're not familiar with psychiatric drugs and withdrawal (and that goes for advice given on this site as well).

 

Nonetheless, I hope you soon find something that works for you.

 

All the best to you too!

 

 

[Athena]

Guys I am desperate. most nights I have zero sleep. I tried everything except the milk peptides and the CBD that take so long to arrive. I am like plugged to an electric bar. It's unbearable. What is the least bad sleep medication that I culd take?? I really need to sleep, I feel I wont make it

[Athena]

Also has anyone treated adrenal exhaustion? Did it come in conflict with the WD? I take 20 mcg cytomel for thyroid, I've read that with adrenal exhaustion we don't absorb the thyroid med efficacely and we can have symptoms of hyperthyroidism? No sleep, losing weight, wired... Thank you

[dj2010]

18 minutes ago, Athena said:

Guys I am desperate. most nights I have zero sleep. I tried everything except the milk peptides and the CBD that take so long to arrive. I am like plugged to an electric bar. It's unbearable. What is the least bad sleep medication that I culd take?? I really need to sleep, I feel I wont make it

be careful with CBD oil, i tried that in early months of my withdrawal hoping it would help my insomnia and it caused a huge reaction, only tried a little bit also, had a mass panic attack and it took me weeks to recover and for me sleep to get back to baseline,

 

milk peptides were activating for me also, the only things that work for me are slow release melatonin, this is best one i have found, its only 0.3mg but better than any other stronger one i have used: https://uk.iherb.com/pr/Life-Extension-Melatonin-6-Hour-Timed-Release-300-mcg-100-Veggie-Tabs/47832

 

and epsom salt baths have been a life saver,

 

insomnia is like torture, I hope you find some relief soon

 

take care

 

[Athena]

Thank you dj2010. Your epsom salt baths, how much do you put in? I dont want it to be too detoxing. Also  sometimes hot baths do the opposite of calming my system... does it do that to you? Maybe I should take the bath not right before sleep

 

Do you have better sleep now? Does it always come back?

[dj2010]

3 hours ago, Athena said:

Thank you dj2010. Your epsom salt baths, how much do you put in? I dont want it to be too detoxing. Also  sometimes hot baths do the opposite of calming my system... does it do that to you? Maybe I should take the bath not right before sleep

 

Do you have better sleep now? Does it always come back?

I put in 3 large cups full, its probably around 600g, you are best starting with less though and then work your way up, yes if the bath is too hot then it can do the opposite to me also, best to have it not too hot, I buy 20kg of epsom salt at time for only £18,

 

I usually have my bath at around 7pm and set a timer for 20 minutes so don't soak up too much magnesium, I sleep at 9pm, best to leave at least a hour before you try sleep as the body needs to cool,

 

My insomnia was much worse before having salt baths every night, sleep is still a big problem now but getting better,

 

recently over the last month I have had no problem getting to sleep, I am able to get to sleep within 10 minutes of trying, a few months ago getting to sleep was a problem and I often felt like I was on amphetamines while in bed as would always get this strange energy when trying to sleep,

 

its staying asleep thats the main problem now, some nights I get up to 8 hours but always wake a few times and some nights only get 4 hours but this is rare now and most nights i get over 6 hours waking twice,

 

last night though I got 6 and half hours solid sleep which is the most solid sleep in a very long time, felt great today and made most of it taking the family for day out,

 

also I put a few drops of lavender oil and chamomile oil in my bath which helps relax me even more,

 

hope this helps,

 

take care

 

[Dude]

Hi Athena

 

Sorry to hear about your continuing troubles. I used to suffer from severe insomnia while going through the acute phase of cold turkey withdrawal and I found that a combination of certain supplements helped, such as lemon balm, valerian and hops (this was before I started using the cherry tart extract that I mentioned previously).

 

The products I used were:

 

- Melissa Dream - Restful Sleep (by New Nordic; contains lemon balm, L-theanine, chamomile, vitamin B complex, magnesium; think this was the most helpful)

- "Kalms Night" (by Lane Health Products; contains valerian)

- "Calms Forté" (by Hyland's; different product containing sativa, chamomile, passionflower and some other ingredients)

- stressless - Herbal Tablets (by Diomed Herbals; contains hops, scullcap and valerian)

- Lemon Balm (by Holland & Barret)

- Magnesium Oil - goodnight spray (by BetterYou)

 

What I also used for a while (while attempting to quit smoking in order to undergo a certain type of treatment) was Tylenol P.M., which is an over the counter sleep aid. But I used this only as an absolute last resort. And I personally wouldn't recommend taking any pharmaceutical sleep aids as they can easily lead to dependence and are most likely to be a burden for your nervous system. But out of all of them, I suppose that Tylenol P.M. is one that is usually a bit better tolerated. However, if you were to choose this option then just make sure it doesn't become a habit and only use it for a short period of time (that is, if you can tolerate it).

 

As for the natural supplements, whether or not you can take any of these products also depends on whether or not you've developed any form of chemical hypersensitivity. For example, when I cold turkeyed from antidepressants, I couldn't reinstate them (in order to taper off) because I'd developed a hypersensitivity to ssris. I was, however, able to tolerate the herbal supplements mentioned up above at the beginning. Unfortunately, I later developed a chemical hypersensitivity towards further substances (for various reasons) and could no longer tolerate even simple supplements. And one of the reasons for this, I believe, is that alcohol (i.e. ethanol) is often used as an extraction substance (apart from having a hypersensitized nervous system). Maybe there are other reasons too, but many of these products seem to contain minute amounts of ethanol which for some can be a problem (then again, for others it isn't).

 

What I'm trying to say is that you're best bet, in my opinion, would be to try the herbal supplements mentioned above (in addition to dj's suggestions) but that you should still be cautious as to how you react to them. If you decide to try any of them out and have any negative reaction whatsoever then stop taking them (for your own sake). That being said, maybe you're not hypersensitive to the supplements mentioned and they could actually be of some help.

 

Also, can I ask whether or not you've completely darkened your bedroom? It's just you'd want your bedroom to be as dark as possible at night so that your body will produce as much melatonin as possible. I was recently sent a recommendation with regard to "black out" curtains and can send you the link if you like.

 

And just so you know, although I suffered from terrible insomnia for quite a while, it did eventually improve. So chances are that your insomnia will also improve in time.

 

 

 

[Dude]

Just realized that the recommendation with regard to the "blackout" curtains came from dj2010 (thanks again, dj). He also provided a link to blue light blocking glasses on amazon (good price). I've copied what he wrote below, in case you're interested:

 

On 3/20/2018 at 1:35 PM, dj2010 said:

i started wearing blu light blocking glasses a few weeks ago, i wrote about it in my last monthly update, i wear them after 6pm very night and watch tv with them up until i go to sleep, I have been able to fall asleep within 10 minutes of trying nearly every night and sleep has been a lot more solid and restorative, I bought ones in link below from amazon for £10:  https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B005IPPBNI/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

and also put up these blackout curtains, my room is now black as hell:

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01NAZ6QGB/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

take care

 

 

[Athena]

Thank you so much DJ and Dude. I will ask my questions one at a time because I become confused. I am interested in either one melatonin you mentioned. However, I already am taking 1mg melatonin (Nature's Harmony) for many years now, so I'm wondering if going down to lower doses would lose the effect ? The 1mg seemed to help until 9 months ago.

[Dude]

Hiya Athena

 

First off, sorry if I gave you a bit too much information at once. I know what the confusion caused by withdrawal is like. Mine's improved over the years, by the way, but I should know better. So apologies again.

 

As for your question, well, when it comes to melatonin supplements, as far as I know they can become habit forming after using them for longer periods of time, similar to psychiatric drugs. So you may have developed a tolerance to them by know (happened to me before too and I had to keep increasing the dose). In my opinion the best thing to do would be to gradually reduce the dose, if possible, until you're off them. Luckily, though, they're not in the same league as psychiatric drugs, so I wouldn't be too worried about it.

 

What I would personally still recommend are the tart cherry extract tablets I mentioned previously (you can get them, for example, from "Point of Return"'s website) and, perhaps, "Melissa Dream", which I mentioned above. Although the tart cherry extract also contains melatonin, they're apparently non-habit forming according to the staff at "Point of Return". I don't know why they wouldn't be, but apparently they aren't. Maybe it's because they're natural as opposed to the other melatonin supplements. But whatever the explanation, I've taken them in the past for longer periods of time and never had any trouble whenever I ran out.

 

Lastly, I'd still recommend taking some magnesium and drinking camomile tea in the evenings (or some other calming herbal tea).

 

Feel free to ask any further questions. I'll help if I can. Just bear in mind that these are my own opinions based on my own knowledge and experience.

 

[Dude]

P.S.: When it comes to taking magnesium, what I find best is to take it in its pure form as magnesium chloride. I get mine in sachets from a local pharmacy (in powder form). What I do is to use a micro-gram scale and pour out 1 to 2 grams. Then I just pour it into half a glass of water, stir it around a bit and drink it.

 

It tastes a little bit yuck to be honest (because there are no sweeteners) but I then just drink a glass or two of water to get rid of the taste (which works). The upside, however, is that it gets completely absorbed by the body without causing any side effects whatsoever. And that also means that you can experiment with the dose until you find the right amount for you. Magnesium itself isn't necessarily sleep inducing, but it helps calm the body and the nervous system which in turn will help with sleep. And taken daily it will help in general.

[dj2010]

8 hours ago, Athena said:

Thank you so much DJ and Dude. I will ask my questions one at a time because I become confused. I am interested in either one melatonin you mentioned. However, I already am taking 1mg melatonin (Nature's Harmony) for many years now, so I'm wondering if going down to lower doses would lose the effect ? The 1mg seemed to help until 9 months ago.

Hi Athena, when it comes to melatonin less is better, I have used many different brands, regular melatonin like the one you are using does not work for me, slow released melatonin works best, the one i use has a slow release time of 6 hours:

 

https://uk.iherb.com/pr/Life-Extension-Melatonin-6-Hour-Timed-Release-300-mcg-100-Veggie-Tabs/47832

 

if I use melatonin every night it seems to stop working so its best to have breaks from it, best to use it a few nights a week

[Athena]

Thank you guys. I'm going to try the slow-release 0.3mg melatonin suggested by DJ, as i can't do a melatonin withdrawal right now.

 

I'm still struggling very much, sleeping one night out of 2 for short periods. I dont know how long my body will hold that, I feel wiped out. I tried the epsom salt bath, one night I had 4h sleep (in 2 times), one night I had zero sleep. I will try with more salts but It seems whatever I do this pattern is there. It has been 9 months of really bad insomnia now and I see no improvement. Does it always improve guys? so desperate.  tahnks

[brassmonkey]

I would be careful about adding more salt to the bath. I wouldn't use much more than a cup.  Adding more salt could go paradoxical and start giving you more anxiety instead of calming things.  I've seen it happen a number of times.

[Athena]

Thank you Brassmonkey, I'll stay around 1 cup then. Do you think it is too much if I take orally 450mg magnesium bisglycinate (with 90mg taurine) in the evening as well?

 

I decided to stop taking the Adrenal Support formula. I think it has been helpful last year to help with my intense bout of insomnia, but it might have become harmful (I read more about those). I have done tests in the last few weeks and it's not clear if it is helpful or harmful so I will put it aside.

 

Also after having decreased the cytomel (thyroid) and seeing it doesn't help my insomnia (and my TSH has gone up) I am slowly increasing it again.

 

I really don,t know what started this crazy bout of insomnia 9 months ago, apart from going to the acupuncturist for trying to treat a large fibroid in an attempt to prevent a surgery. It was all bad after that. Maybe it was the stress of buying a house and moving (again). I thought I was careful in my reductions around that time (last spring and summer) but maybe not enough. I just hope it is "normal withdrawal" and not something else. Waiting for some more blood test results. Hanging on to the hope of better days...

[direstraits]

Hi,Athena

I remember Alto saying that it's better to take magnesium in smaller doses than one large dose.

 

hope this helps.

 

take care,ds

xx

[dj2010]

13 hours ago, Athena said:

Thank you Brassmonkey, I'll stay around 1 cup then. Do you think it is too much if I take orally 450mg magnesium bisglycinate (with 90mg taurine) in the evening as well?

 

I decided to stop taking the Adrenal Support formula. I think it has been helpful last year to help with my intense bout of insomnia, but it might have become harmful (I read more about those). I have done tests in the last few weeks and it's not clear if it is helpful or harmful so I will put it aside.

 

Also after having decreased the cytomel (thyroid) and seeing it doesn't help my insomnia (and my TSH has gone up) I am slowly increasing it again.

 

I really don,t know what started this crazy bout of insomnia 9 months ago, apart from going to the acupuncturist for trying to treat a large fibroid in an attempt to prevent a surgery. It was all bad after that. Maybe it was the stress of buying a house and moving (again). I thought I was careful in my reductions around that time (last spring and summer) but maybe not enough. I just hope it is "normal withdrawal" and not something else. Waiting for some more blood test results. Hanging on to the hope of better days...

Hi Athena, sorry to hear the salt baths did not work, like brassmonkey says best to start with less salt in the bath, as for magnesium I think you would be better with just plain magnesium citrate powder, I read about the glycinate magnesium causing problems with some people, I am not sure about the taurine as never tried but like everything start at a very low dose, this magnesium is the one I have found best:  https://www.amazon.co.uk/Now-Foods-Magnesium-Citrate-Powder/dp/B06XFVCSXR/ref=sr_1_1_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1522317417&sr=8-1&keywords=now+magnesium+citrate

 

looking at your signature it shows you are on lots of herbal teas and other things, you might want to cut cut these out as these may be causing problems, every time I tried herbal teas for for my insomnia it would go paradoxical and give me energy, I even tried a herbal tea called "sleepy tea" and found it very activating and had no sleep, 

 

I hope you find some relief soon,

 

take care

[Athena]

@DS, thank you, yes it does help. Do you take any (magnesium)?

 

DJ thank you. I will check out the different forms of magnesium although I don't think the bisglycinate ever gave me troubles. I am not saying the Epsom salts bath did not help. It might very well have, but I seem to be on a pattern of one night I get some hours of sleep (varying number), one night I get none. So I think all the little things I can do, even if I'm not sure if they help, I should do. Yes in terms of the herbs: the first mix of dried herbs have been good with me, I think it still is. It's the mixed tincture with the valerian that I am not sure about, being careful with it. I think in very small amount it can help, but I shouldn't abuse it in amount or in frequency. How was your sleep this week DJ? 

 

I hope everyone has a nice Easter weekend, and has as much fun, rest and peace as they can. And of course... healing.

[direstraits]

1 hour ago, Athena said:

Do you take any (magnesium)?

yes,I do ...SloMag,magnesium chloride.

I think it helps.

[dj2010]

11 hours ago, Athena said:

@DS, thank you, yes it does help. Do you take any (magnesium)?

 

DJ thank you. I will check out the different forms of magnesium although I don't think the bisglycinate ever gave me troubles. I am not saying the Epsom salts bath did not help. It might very well have, but I seem to be on a pattern of one night I get some hours of sleep (varying number), one night I get none. So I think all the little things I can do, even if I'm not sure if they help, I should do. Yes in terms of the herbs: the first mix of dried herbs have been good with me, I think it still is. It's the mixed tincture with the valerian that I am not sure about, being careful with it. I think in very small amount it can help, but I shouldn't abuse it in amount or in frequency. How was your sleep this week DJ? 

 

I hope everyone has a nice Easter weekend, and has as much fun, rest and peace as they can. And of course... healing.

hi Athena, it might be worth keep trying the salt baths then and see if they start helping, it might, take a bit of time for you to get used to them, if the herbs are helping then keep them up, yes valerian has caused lots of problems with some people so be cautious, sleep this week has been good with every night over 6 hours and a couple of over 7 hour nights so cant complain except last night was very broken, I did some weights yesterday as trying to build my arms back up so that must of caused it, going on holiday for a week on Monday so a bit worried as wont be able to have my nightly epsom salt baths, Ive got a foot bath that im taking so hopefully that will work,

 

have a nice Easter your self, take care

[Flowers]

Hi Athena

 

Thank you for visiting my thread. So sorry I have taken a while to get back to you.

 

What an awful time you must be having not being able to sleep.   I have warm baths without epsom salts or anything in them. Not too hot about a couple of hours before bed and this does help me relax into a good nights sleep.

 

I am really sorry that  I can't offer you more advice than that. 

 

I am thinking of you and hope that sleep comes to you very soon.

 

Love from Flowers xxx

 

 

[Athena]

Thank you DJ, yes I will continue trying the Epsom salt baths. About the magnesium again...

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I read about the glycinate magnesium causing problems with some people

 

What kind of problems were that, do you remember? Linked to sleep?

 

I am glad your sleep has been better lately, 6-7 hours is great, I really hope I will get there. I hope your feet bath helps while away. I had better nights thursday and friday (about 5-6h total but not consecutive) but now I am back to one night zero sleep, one night 2x 2h... (sigh)... I called the doc to maybe increase the thyroid med back to where it was right away instead of waiting a whole month to do the tests, I really don't think it helped that I reduced that.

 

Take care DJ

[Athena]

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I am thinking of you and hope that sleep comes to you very soon.

 

Flowers, thank you so much for your kind wishes and thoughts. I was very touched. How are you? I hope continued healing for you, and hope we both get well soon. Take good care,

 

Love,

 

Athena xx