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Hello,

I found this side by accident.. Sorry for my English , I am from Germany.

 

Before Everything started I was most of the time a happy person , doing sport and had a lot of friends. Everything was good and I enjoyed my Life.....

 

Since the Birth of my Daughter in 2008 I am taking Seroquel , cuese I couldn´t sleep for almost 10 weeks and I was of fear and depression after a while.

The first time everything went right ( I took 100mg) and I was soo grateful tzo have my Life back.

Then I had a thyroid treatment, cause off a hyperthroid.

 

I think this was the biggest mistake I could do. The doctor recommendet this and so I trusted him.

Then I got worse anxiety and took 150mg Seroquel.

 

In 2009 the doctor gave me Effexor and at first it worked well. I tapered my Seroquel to 25mg without any withdrawel.

But then I got kind of Maniac.. I had to take Seroquel again hihgher dosed (200mg)

 

2010 I tapered again to 50mg and the same thing happened again. Now I think the Effexor made this condition.

At the begining of 2012 I took the first time something for my thyroid and I began to be very depressed.

I had to go to a clinic.

There they tapered the Effexor down to 0 and highered the Seroquel to 300mg....

After that I felt in bad Depression. I could not think and was just lying down...

 

2013 I began Lexapro at the moment I take 8 mg. the first weeks I took 10mg.

 

My Seroquel dose is at the Moment 225mg.

I am trying to taper it but now I have the worst withdrawels I ever had.

I am shaking and have stiff movements and also problems seeing. then I have derealisation. Also bad Depressions in the morning.

If I look Back it´s a nightmare I went through and I think especially caused through the medications....I trusted the doctor who gave me the advice how to take the medications and he said :

If you feel maniac go higher and then after a while when you feel depressed taper the dose.

The first time it worked and I was still myself and did not feel the withdrawels

Now I changed the doctor.....

 

Before this time I was healthy and for me it´s hard to see my daughter growing up and I can´t often feel anything.

 

I was a photographer and a cildnurse and loved my jobs and now I am only sitting at home...

 

What should I do ? Maybe there is someone who knows more about Seroquel.

 

Thank you

Emely

2008 - Seroquel 100mg Insomnia after Birth of my Daughter ,felt very good after taking Seroquel, was totally normal,   2009 Thyroid treatment (RIT) - felt first time anxiety- Seroquel up to 150mg
2010 - 2012 Effexor 75mg no side effects at first, trust doctor´s advice - Seroquel to 25mg no w/d - 2011 got Maniac first time- Seroquel up 300mg ,5 month later 50mg no w/d
2011 - Lithium (only 2 weeks) ->Strong Anxiety and Insomnia !! Depression Hell began, bad feeling, character Change
2012 - in a clinic:Effexor c/t , Remergel and Lamictal (4 weeks),400mg Seroquel, strong anxiety, problems speaking
2013 - 200mg Seroquel ,10 mg Cipralex, 1 Grain Amour Thyroid

2014 - 200mg Seroquel , 5 mg Cipralex,

2015 - June 100mg , 0mg Cipralex  

         - July   Hospital  again 300mg Seroquel  ,3 Grain Acella

         - September 250mg    

         - October  225mg , 200mg

 Symptoms:  depression, character change ( was very activ, funny , social , spoke a lot, very creativ ), problems speaking ,short-term memory problemsno feelings ,no plans, no real joy, muscle weakness and stiffness, tired, anxiety ,problems coming up in the morning, not more social, problems with music,TV...

still not know is it w/d, is it the thyroid, is it because of adrenal fatigue,are these hormon problems ???

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Dear Emely:

My son had his first psychotic break when trying to come off Seroquel. Phillip Seeman has published a number of papers on Seroquel and why it is so difficult to come off it. Although it has been years since I read up on the drug, I believe that Seeman's work indicated that, like Clozapine, Seroquel binds poorly to the dopamine receptors and, when cutting back, it is easily displaced by Dopamine. The so called, "therapeutic" level is right around (give or take 50 Mgs) 200 Mgs. It is right around this dosage that reductions should be very conservative, 10% or less. Doctors do not understand withdrawal and frequently recommend reductions of Seroquel of 50 Mgs or more. People on this site, who know far more than I do, will give you better advice. I know receptor occupancy is far from the whole story, but I do think that knowledge of them can point to some of the "cliffs" to avoid. Your doctors advice about bouncing the drug up and down depending on how you are feeling is just plain wrong. I think the folks here will probably ask you for more detail on the timing and extent (dosages) of the medication changes you have made over the last year. My son was once on 1200 Mgs of Seroquel when he was in the hospital (years ago). The psychiatrist there responded to my alarm by telling me he had had people on 2,000 Mgs. My son is stable today, and will soon be starting to withdraw from his current med (Abilify). You can fix this. I'm sure someone will be along soon to help.

Regards,

Ed

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Emely I am crying for you here, I really feel for you :mad:

You are in the right place here and the experts will be along

to help soon. I can't offer any advice except to stick around

and listen to the advice that's given. I thought I knew better

but these lovely people have helped me to get my life back,

and you will get yours back too. My heart goes out to you.

MammaP

**I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge.

 

 

Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem)

1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat

2002  effexor. 

Tapered  March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads.

Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013

Restarted taper  Nov 2013  

OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015    :D 

Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014

 

Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg  

 July 2017 30mg.  May 15 2018 25mg

Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. 

 

My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33

 

Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible

 

 

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Welcome to the forum, Emely. Here's a topic devoted to tapering off Seroquel that I hope will be helpful:

 

Tips for Tapering Seroquel

 

When you have time, please put a summary of your drug history in the signature area of your profile, like so:

 

How to Put Your Drug History in Your Signature

 

The drug history will appear with each of your posts and people who want to help will be able to understand your background at a glance.

 

You've certainly been through a lot with psychiatric drugs. What often happens is that the SSRI/SNRI drugs that are prescribed are far too strong and stimulating. Doctors generally don't recognize this for what it is and prescribe additional drugs to treat the overstimulation. Often a diagnosis of bipolar is made, but what appears to be manic behavior is the result of over-stimulating drugs.

 

It's quite possible that a thyroid imbalance was your problem all along and that you never needed antidepressants.

 

I'm glad that you found us. You'll find lots of solid information and friendly support here.

Psychotropic drug history: Pristiq 50 mg. (mid-September 2010 through February 2011), Remeron (mid-September 2010 through January 2011), Lexapro 10 mg. (mid-February 2011 through mid-December 2011), Lorazepam (Ativan) 1 mg. as needed mid-September 2010 through early March 2012

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Hanlon's Razor


Introduction: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1588-introducing-jemima/

 

Success Story: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/6263-success-jemima-survives-lexapro-and-dr-dickhead-too/

Please note that I am not a medical professional and my advice is based on personal experience, reading, and anecdotal information posted by other sufferers.

 

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Welcome, Emely.

 

Well, I couldn't improve on the excellent guidance you've gotten from Edted and Jemima.

 

Edted, that's fascinating stuff you've found out about tapering Seroquel. I think it's very important. Please add it to our topic Tips for Tapering Seroquel

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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Alto:

I don't know how to copy to another thread. If someone could tell me, I would do it. It would also probably help some people trying to understand how Seroquel works (or doesn't) to look at a post on "thelastpsychiatrist" from 2007. The guy can be a smart aleck and, at times, inappropriate, but seems to know his science. I also should have included in my original reply to Emely, the citation for Seeman is American Journal of Psychiatry 1999; 156:876-884.

Regards,

Ed

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Copy and paste would be the way to do it, Ed. Thank you.

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Hello to you all and Thank you for all you good answers !!

Sorry I could not answer , cause I am at the moment on vacations.

 

Now I try to answer again and hope it will work now....Last time there was no connection..

 

Thank you Edted for your Reply :)

So How did your Son come off the Seroquel and how fast did he go down ?

 

Yesterday I took again 300mg cause i was so depressed, wirred and full off musclepain.

The thing is especially in the Morning I often can´t do anything..

I Know myself coming off quickly and having aims for the day.

Now everything is soo unusual.

 

The years before it was so easy to go down .. I don´t know if I really will come off this drug again.

I think the worst thing was that my DR. told me to take it up when I feel bad and go down after some month when I feel better.......

How could I be soo Naiv to believe him....

 

What are you thinking about stabilizing the Adrenal glands ?

I am soo depressed since I take the thyroid medication and another Doctor recommended Cortison ( Methylprednisolon) to stabilize the Adrenal glands.Ok I did not take it untill now cause I am anxious that there will be more things in my body that are unnatural... but maybe it will work....

 

Is there anyone who knows something about this ?

 

Also I am thinking about some help from organisations like Truehope.com or Pointofreturn...Is there anyone who did this programm and had success?

Maybe this will help.

At the Moment I already take some Vitamins, Zinc and Omega3

 

So thank you again :)

Emely

2008 - Seroquel 100mg Insomnia after Birth of my Daughter ,felt very good after taking Seroquel, was totally normal,   2009 Thyroid treatment (RIT) - felt first time anxiety- Seroquel up to 150mg
2010 - 2012 Effexor 75mg no side effects at first, trust doctor´s advice - Seroquel to 25mg no w/d - 2011 got Maniac first time- Seroquel up 300mg ,5 month later 50mg no w/d
2011 - Lithium (only 2 weeks) ->Strong Anxiety and Insomnia !! Depression Hell began, bad feeling, character Change
2012 - in a clinic:Effexor c/t , Remergel and Lamictal (4 weeks),400mg Seroquel, strong anxiety, problems speaking
2013 - 200mg Seroquel ,10 mg Cipralex, 1 Grain Amour Thyroid

2014 - 200mg Seroquel , 5 mg Cipralex,

2015 - June 100mg , 0mg Cipralex  

         - July   Hospital  again 300mg Seroquel  ,3 Grain Acella

         - September 250mg    

         - October  225mg , 200mg

 Symptoms:  depression, character change ( was very activ, funny , social , spoke a lot, very creativ ), problems speaking ,short-term memory problemsno feelings ,no plans, no real joy, muscle weakness and stiffness, tired, anxiety ,problems coming up in the morning, not more social, problems with music,TV...

still not know is it w/d, is it the thyroid, is it because of adrenal fatigue,are these hormon problems ???

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I would get stable on Seroquel (or off it) before interfering with the adrenals.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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Emely: Sorry to hear that things are not going well. I can't say my son successfully got off Seroquel. He was simply switched to a drug which was, for.him, even worse (Geodon). I don't know why your doctor would think that increasing Seroquel would help with depression, but I'm beginning to doubt they think at all. Is your Seroquel dose taken twice a day? Is your thyroid med at a steady dose? Are they providing you with the results of your levels on the thyroid med? It should help the moderators if they have more information. Thinking good thoughts at you.

Ed

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Emely: I 'be been sitting here for the last 10 minutes trying to decide if I should say more, and I feel like I should. I have zero medical training and only a doctor can give you medical advice, but your comment about another doctor wanting to give you meds for your adrenal system just seems so wrong. Alto said it rather gently, but I'm not sure if you will understand just how bad an idea adding a drug that messes with your glucocorticoid system might be. All atypical antipsychotics disrupt that system. Adding a corticosteroid to the mix can't be a good idea. Given that you are feeling depressed, wired and with muscle cramps (all of which are known side effects of over treatment for hyperthyroidism), the doctors should be checking your th3 and th4 levels to see if they overdid it with the thyroid meds (or you are very sensitive to them) not piling on another medication. If I stepped over the line, I am very sorry and if this response needs to be removed, I hope it will be.

Slow and steady,

Ed

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Hello Edted and Alto,

thanks for your advice :)

 

My hormones are mixed up. But this thing started with the thyroid treatment... The Progesteron is low too.

My doctor says I am stable with the Thyroid. My ft3 is a little bit low.

 

Here are my results:

Tsh 0,89 ft3 2,89 ( 2,7-4,5 ) ft4 1,10 (0,9-2,5)

 

The recommend for the Cortison is just a very low dose ( 4mg) to stabilize the adrenals....

A low Cortisol Level can also produce Anxiety and Depression..

 

This Doctor Works with a Hormon Specialist : Thierry Herthoge who recommends to take the Hormones against the Sympomes you have....

 

The bad depressions started last year after taking the first time Thyroid medication and then there started also the brain fog and the bad thoughts.

I still don´t know if it has to do with the MIX of the Lithium treatment and the other drugs or the thyroid.

Before that time I could do Sport and planing a lot of fun things with my daughter, but now also here at vacations I am sooo tired and full of Brain fog and I always could talk a lot but now I have no words in my mind .....

And what I can´t understand is that I was full of Exitement for so much things , especially Photgraphy...but I have nothing inside of me......

 

At first I thought it will go away when I am at the right thyroid medication... Always when I got a higher dose the first days I felt very good and all the sympoms were gone, but then after some days my symptoms

got worse.

 

 

So the Other Question : do somebody Knows something about the Programs of Truehope.com or Pointofreturn...

Are there Success Stories and does it help?

 

Is there Success in taking Aminoaccids and what are good Supplies , cause I am allergic against Milk.

 

 

Emely

2008 - Seroquel 100mg Insomnia after Birth of my Daughter ,felt very good after taking Seroquel, was totally normal,   2009 Thyroid treatment (RIT) - felt first time anxiety- Seroquel up to 150mg
2010 - 2012 Effexor 75mg no side effects at first, trust doctor´s advice - Seroquel to 25mg no w/d - 2011 got Maniac first time- Seroquel up 300mg ,5 month later 50mg no w/d
2011 - Lithium (only 2 weeks) ->Strong Anxiety and Insomnia !! Depression Hell began, bad feeling, character Change
2012 - in a clinic:Effexor c/t , Remergel and Lamictal (4 weeks),400mg Seroquel, strong anxiety, problems speaking
2013 - 200mg Seroquel ,10 mg Cipralex, 1 Grain Amour Thyroid

2014 - 200mg Seroquel , 5 mg Cipralex,

2015 - June 100mg , 0mg Cipralex  

         - July   Hospital  again 300mg Seroquel  ,3 Grain Acella

         - September 250mg    

         - October  225mg , 200mg

 Symptoms:  depression, character change ( was very activ, funny , social , spoke a lot, very creativ ), problems speaking ,short-term memory problemsno feelings ,no plans, no real joy, muscle weakness and stiffness, tired, anxiety ,problems coming up in the morning, not more social, problems with music,TV...

still not know is it w/d, is it the thyroid, is it because of adrenal fatigue,are these hormon problems ???

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Emely: you are probably aware that what are consudered "normal ranges" are very different, not only from country to country, but even from hospital to hospital. Both your t3 and t4 would be considered low on most ranges, but "normal" is also very different from person to person. Dr Herthoge is very well known for his enthusiastic support of hormone therapies. I have no idea if he has any knowledge about withdrawal or psychotropic drugs in general. I would still say that throwing corticosteroids (or any other drug) into the mix is dangerous. It isn't clear to me from your post if you are still taking progesterone, but mixing that with methylprednisolone is pulling at two ends of the same string as far as GABA and nmda. To answer your question on supplements, with the exception of fish oil, my son found supplements to be generally destabilizing. I know that some people here have found benefit in magnesium and some other things which my son did not try. Please don't throw so many things at your system. If I were in your situation, I would decrease the thyroxin and wait six weeks before changing or adding anything.

Be well,

Ed

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Hello Edted and Alto,

thanks for your advice :)

 

My hormones are mixed up. But this thing started with the thyroid treatment... The Progesteron is low too.

My doctor says I am stable with the Thyroid. My ft3 is a little bit low.

 

Here are my results:

Tsh 0,89 ft3 2,89 ( 2,7-4,5 ) ft4 1,10 (0,9-2,5)

 

The recommend for the Cortison is just a very low dose ( 4mg) to stabilize the adrenals....

A low Cortisol Level can also produce Anxiety and Depression..

 

This Doctor Works with a Hormon Specialist : Thierry Herthoge who recommends to take the Hormones against the Sympomes you have....

 

The bad depressions started last year after taking the first time Thyroid medication and then there started also the brain fog and the bad thoughts.

I still don´t know if it has to do with the MIX of the Lithium treatment and the other drugs or the thyroid.

Before that time I could do Sport and planing a lot of fun things with my daughter, but now also here at vacations I am sooo tired and full of Brain fog and I always could talk a lot but now I have no words in my mind .....

And what I can´t understand is that I was full of Exitement for so much things , especially Photgraphy...but I have nothing inside of me......

 

At first I thought it will go away when I am at the right thyroid medication... Always when I got a higher dose the first days I felt very good and all the sympoms were gone, but then after some days my symptoms

got worse.

 

 

So the Other Question : do somebody Knows something about the Programs of Truehope.com or Pointofreturn...

Are there Success Stories and does it help?

 

Is there Success in taking Aminoaccids and what are good Supplies , cause I am allergic against Milk.

 

 

Emely

 

Hi Emely,

 

I did not have a good experience with Point of Return and I wasn't on antipsychotics like you were. I have not heard good things about either program and personally would be very cautious.

 

I understand the need to see relief as I definitely did alot of supplement chasing during the time I was tapering off of meds. To be honest, I feel I wasted alot of money.

 

Best of luck to you.

 

CS

Drug cocktail 1995 - 2010
Started taper of Adderall, Wellbutrin XL, Remeron, and Doxepin in 2006
Finished taper on June 10, 2010

Temazepam on a PRN basis approximately twice a month - 2014 to 2016

Beginning in 2017 - Consumption increased to about two times per week

April 2017 - Increased to taking it full time for insomnia

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Hi Emely,

 

I am on hydrocortisone for my adrenals while coming off of antidepressants. What has worked for me is mimicking my normal diurnal pattern. This community does not advocate this treatment - I am just sharing my experience so that you understand that while this is not a mainstream treatment, it is not unheard of. Here is a place you can go for more information about the endocrine system and the role of cortisol https://eaware.org/.

 

What I have found is that if the adrenals are exhausted there is insufficient cortisol in the system for it to utilize thyroid hormones, thus resulting in hypothyroid symptoms when on a dose of thyroid that should be sufficient. The body uses cortisol for normal bodily functions and if there is insufficient cortisol the adrenals will try to produce more, but may not be able to keep up with the demands of the body. The intent behind this treatment is to supplement a physiological dose of cortisol to allow your body to let the adrenals rest while providing sufficient cortisol for normal functions. This information comes from Dr. William McK. Jeffries' book, Safe Uses of Cortisol.

 

I have had very good success with this treatment, but it has been difficult to find a doctor who understands it and can support it ... and I am in the states where there are more options than are generally found in Europe.

 

I keep my free T3 near the top of the range and my hypothyroid symptoms have resolved. I know someone in Europe who has been seeing Dr. Herthoge and he has had some success working with him. He works with Dr. Herthoge and educates himself through a patient advocacy group here in the states to arrive at a successful treatment.

 

I agree with Alto that you need to get stable on your antidepressant before looking at other types of treatment - however, you may not be able to get off of your antidepressant before dealing with your other issues. The addition of hydrocortisone to my treatment occurred when my taper off of Effexor was very stable and I was not experiencing withdrawal symptoms. In my case we adjust sex hormones, thyroid, and adrenal support, but I only change one thing at a time and I monitor my symptoms so that I know when I am stable enough for the next step.

 

I have no experience with the other groups you mention, but there is information on this site about TrueHope - Libby (Elizabeth) Stuyt, MD indicates that they advocate a vitamin and mineral protocol that evidently can worsen the withdrawal symptoms from psychiatric medications. You can search from them using the Search box in the upper righthand part of the Welcome page.

 

Karma

2007 @ 375 mg Effexor - 11/29/2011 - 43.75 mg Effexor (regular) & .625 mg Xanax

200 mg Gabapentin 2/27/21 - 194.5 mg, 5/28/21 - 183 mg, 8/2/21 - 170 mg, 11/28/21 - 150 mg, 4/19/22 - 122 mg; 8//7/22 - 100 mg
Xanax taper: 3/11/12 - 0.9375 mg, 3/25/12 - 0.875 mg, 4/6/12 - 0.8125 mg, 4/18/12 - 0.75 mg; 1/16 0.6875 mg; at some point 0.625 mg
Effexor taper: 1/29/12 - 40.625 mg, 4/29/12 - 39.875 mg, 5/11/12 - Switched to liquid Effexor, 5/25/12 - 38 mg, 7/6/12 - 35 mg, 8/17/12 - 32 mg, 9/14/12 - 30 mg, 10/19/12 - 28 mg, 11/9/12 - 26 mg, 11/30/12 - 24 mg, 01/14/13 - 22 mg. 02/25/13 - 20.8 mg, 03/18/13 - 19.2 mg, 4/15/13 - 17.6 mg, 8/10/13 - 16.4 mg, 9/7/13 - 15.2 mg, 10/19/13 - 14 mg, 1/15/14 - 13.2 mg, 3/1/2014 - 12.6 mg, 5/4/14 - 12 mg, 8/1/14 - 11.4 mg, 8/29/14 - 10.8 mg; 10/14/14 - 10.2 mg; 12/15/14 - 10 mg, 1/11/15 - 9.5 mg, 2/8/15 - 9 mg, 3/21/15 - 8.5 mg, 5/1/15 - 8 mg, 6/9/15 - 7.5 mg, 7/8/15 - 7 mg, 8/22/15 - 6.5 mg, 10/4/15 - 6 mg; 1/1/16 - 5.6 mg; 2/6/16 - 5.2 mg; 4/9 - 4.8 mg; 7/7 4.5 mg; 10/7 4.25 mg; 11/4 4.0 mg; 11/25 3.8 mg; 4/24 3.6 mg; 5/27 3.4 mg; 7/8 3.2 mg ... 10/18 2.8 mg; 1/18 2.6 mg; 4/7 2.4 mg; 5/26 2.15mg; 8/18 1.85 mg; 10/7 1.7 mg; 12/1 1.45 mg; 3/2 1.2 mg; 5/4 0.90 mg; 6/1 0.80 mg; 6/22 0.65 mg; 08/03 0.50 mg, 08/10 0.45 mg, 10/05 0.325 mg, 11/23 0.2 mg, 12/14 0.15 mg, 12/21 0.125 mg, 02/28 0.03125 mg, 2/15 0.015625 mg, 2/29/20 0.00 mg - OFF Effexor


I am not a medical professional - this is not medical advice. My suggestions are based on personal experience, reading, observation and anecdotal information posted by other sufferers

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Hi Karma:

I probably caused more confusion than insight with my post. Emely is being treated for hyperthyroid. I was suggesting they might have overdone it with the antithyroid med, causing a hypo condition. That's why I suggested that adding corticosteroids seems a poor choice as opposed to just backing off the antithyroid med.

Regards,

Ed

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Thanks Edted, my mistake ... I didn't catch the part about hyperthyroid ... my question would then be how was it diagnosed. A low TSH value does not necessarily indicate hyperthyroidism ... my current TSH is <.006 and I am not hyperthyroid. One has to be evaluated based on clinical symptoms presented. If the patient does not have high temperatures, high pulse, potentially sweating, then the patient is not hyperthyroid and the tests are just a data point.

 

It is very possible to over do hyperthyroid treatments and have them result in a hypo condition from what I have seen.

 

I agree with Edted, Emely, that you should proceed cautiously. I hope that my post does not cause you confusion and I apologize if it does.

 

Karma

2007 @ 375 mg Effexor - 11/29/2011 - 43.75 mg Effexor (regular) & .625 mg Xanax

200 mg Gabapentin 2/27/21 - 194.5 mg, 5/28/21 - 183 mg, 8/2/21 - 170 mg, 11/28/21 - 150 mg, 4/19/22 - 122 mg; 8//7/22 - 100 mg
Xanax taper: 3/11/12 - 0.9375 mg, 3/25/12 - 0.875 mg, 4/6/12 - 0.8125 mg, 4/18/12 - 0.75 mg; 1/16 0.6875 mg; at some point 0.625 mg
Effexor taper: 1/29/12 - 40.625 mg, 4/29/12 - 39.875 mg, 5/11/12 - Switched to liquid Effexor, 5/25/12 - 38 mg, 7/6/12 - 35 mg, 8/17/12 - 32 mg, 9/14/12 - 30 mg, 10/19/12 - 28 mg, 11/9/12 - 26 mg, 11/30/12 - 24 mg, 01/14/13 - 22 mg. 02/25/13 - 20.8 mg, 03/18/13 - 19.2 mg, 4/15/13 - 17.6 mg, 8/10/13 - 16.4 mg, 9/7/13 - 15.2 mg, 10/19/13 - 14 mg, 1/15/14 - 13.2 mg, 3/1/2014 - 12.6 mg, 5/4/14 - 12 mg, 8/1/14 - 11.4 mg, 8/29/14 - 10.8 mg; 10/14/14 - 10.2 mg; 12/15/14 - 10 mg, 1/11/15 - 9.5 mg, 2/8/15 - 9 mg, 3/21/15 - 8.5 mg, 5/1/15 - 8 mg, 6/9/15 - 7.5 mg, 7/8/15 - 7 mg, 8/22/15 - 6.5 mg, 10/4/15 - 6 mg; 1/1/16 - 5.6 mg; 2/6/16 - 5.2 mg; 4/9 - 4.8 mg; 7/7 4.5 mg; 10/7 4.25 mg; 11/4 4.0 mg; 11/25 3.8 mg; 4/24 3.6 mg; 5/27 3.4 mg; 7/8 3.2 mg ... 10/18 2.8 mg; 1/18 2.6 mg; 4/7 2.4 mg; 5/26 2.15mg; 8/18 1.85 mg; 10/7 1.7 mg; 12/1 1.45 mg; 3/2 1.2 mg; 5/4 0.90 mg; 6/1 0.80 mg; 6/22 0.65 mg; 08/03 0.50 mg, 08/10 0.45 mg, 10/05 0.325 mg, 11/23 0.2 mg, 12/14 0.15 mg, 12/21 0.125 mg, 02/28 0.03125 mg, 2/15 0.015625 mg, 2/29/20 0.00 mg - OFF Effexor


I am not a medical professional - this is not medical advice. My suggestions are based on personal experience, reading, observation and anecdotal information posted by other sufferers

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Yes, Emely, the mix of medications can have a big effect. Make sure your doctors consider this.

 

We do not recommend Point of Return, The Road Back, or any commercial programs. There is no supplement or combination of supplements that will enable you to short-cut tapering off psychiatric medications.

 

For suggestions how to deal with withdrawal symptoms, see our Symptoms and Self-care forum.

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Hello To you all :)

 

I am still on vacation and I tried allready to answer but the Repy vanished, the Internet is not constantly working.

 

So thanks for your whole good and wamrth replies :)

 

@Edted and Karma thanks for your replies :) : I was Hyperthyroid and then I got this treatment. I had to take a Radioactiv pill. But it was not good. Now I have Hashimoto desease and it´s hard to really find a doctor who helps me with that here. My thyroid is very little now.

So I found a doctor some hours away who recommendet the Cortison and Amour thyroid or Erfa Thyroid.

I ordered now Amour Thyroid and have the Methylprednisolon here, which I still not take..

Also I do not take Progesteron at the Moment.

 

I am now very Sensitive to Everything.

 

I really hope I will find a way out of all this to stable my thyroid and can taper down the Seroquel.

 

Now at the moment I take at night: 225mg Seroquel , 125 normal and 100 Prolong.

at afternoon : 9mg Cipralex (Lexapro)

in the morning : 75mg L Thyroxin

 

@ Compssports: So what did you experience with Point Of Return ?

 

@ Alto : I tapered the Seroquel since last year every 4-5 Weeks, but now I feel not good.... that means it´s often so worse that I can´t handle it anymore.

So how I can get stable ? I think I will wait now some weeks or months to go the next step...

 

Seroquel is a very bad drug . Is there a chance to recover ? I have this muscle Cramps and face convulsions. Mostly in the evening.

 

Also I think the Effexor tapering in the clinic caused a lot of pain........ Is it better to start Effexor again ? I often think everything went out of control..... I never thought this can happened.

 

Emely

2008 - Seroquel 100mg Insomnia after Birth of my Daughter ,felt very good after taking Seroquel, was totally normal,   2009 Thyroid treatment (RIT) - felt first time anxiety- Seroquel up to 150mg
2010 - 2012 Effexor 75mg no side effects at first, trust doctor´s advice - Seroquel to 25mg no w/d - 2011 got Maniac first time- Seroquel up 300mg ,5 month later 50mg no w/d
2011 - Lithium (only 2 weeks) ->Strong Anxiety and Insomnia !! Depression Hell began, bad feeling, character Change
2012 - in a clinic:Effexor c/t , Remergel and Lamictal (4 weeks),400mg Seroquel, strong anxiety, problems speaking
2013 - 200mg Seroquel ,10 mg Cipralex, 1 Grain Amour Thyroid

2014 - 200mg Seroquel , 5 mg Cipralex,

2015 - June 100mg , 0mg Cipralex  

         - July   Hospital  again 300mg Seroquel  ,3 Grain Acella

         - September 250mg    

         - October  225mg , 200mg

 Symptoms:  depression, character change ( was very activ, funny , social , spoke a lot, very creativ ), problems speaking ,short-term memory problemsno feelings ,no plans, no real joy, muscle weakness and stiffness, tired, anxiety ,problems coming up in the morning, not more social, problems with music,TV...

still not know is it w/d, is it the thyroid, is it because of adrenal fatigue,are these hormon problems ???

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Emely, please read this topic Tips for Tapering Seroquel

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Emely: I am so sorry for all you are going through. There is lots of information in the link Alto suggested. My two cents for what it is worth, is that the hypothyroid symptoms need to be distinguished from the effects and side effects of the drugs you are taking . I don't know if this site has recommended doctors in Germany. You are probably already aware that one of the listed side effects of Seroquel is hypothyroidism. If your thyroid doctor is aware of this he may support your Seroquel taper. Don't expect him to know much about withdrawal, but he may listen to information you can bring him from this site. Do you know why you were prescribed Seroquel Prolong (XR here in the US). It's name is very misleading. The half life of Quetiepene (generic name for Seroquel) is 6 hours for regular and 7 hours for Prolong. The half life got norquetiepine (the active metabolite for Seroquel that provides most of the drugs effects) is 8 hours for regular Seroquel and 10 hours for Prolong. Given the minimal difference and throwing in the extreme variables in the degradation of the Prolong coating (not only between individuals, but within an individual based on things as simple as stomach temperature, acidity, other chemicals present in food eaten, etc; why throw in another confound. Unless someone more knowledgeable indicates otherwise, I would think the first step would be to transition from Prolong to all regular and then begin your taper. I also don't understand why you are taking all your Seroquel (given its short half life) at one time. That would throw most people into withdrawal every day. Please don't on anything I suggest. People who know more will comment ( and already have on the link Alto suggested), but my instinct would be to switch from Prolong to regular without changing dose and then shift by 10% from the night time dose to a noontime dose until the evening and noontime doses are equal, then reduce each dose by no more than 10%. The two pieces of advice that I most wish I had been aware of (before I found this site) are go slow and listen to what your body/mind are telling you about your taper. You can fix this.

Regards,

Ed

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Hello ,

so back again.

 

My Seroquel is now down to 200mg and I will wait some weeks again now.

 

I am still suffering under loss off emotion and motivation and often I am very depressed in the morning and having unusual suicidal thoughts.

Also I am suffering with bad derealisation. I have BIG rememberances problems. It´s like not knbowing what was yesterday and just living every hour.

Rememberenc

So last year I was in a clinic and they stopped the Effexor from 50mg to 37,5 mg and then to 0.

After this everything went good for 3 weeks and then terrible w/d started with big anxiety and akathesia and depression.

 

I got my Seroquel dose to 600mg and got Cipralex.

But now after one year I miss so much my life . I was always so excited for things . Now I am not interested in anything . Even shopping does not interest me.

The worst thing is I see my daughter growing up but I can´t be the mother I want to be.

 

So now Iam thinking about reinstate a little bit of Effexor... Does this change the things ???

Last year i did not know to reinstate the Effexor ........

 

So maybe someone knows something to get the interest back ...

 

Emely

2008 - Seroquel 100mg Insomnia after Birth of my Daughter ,felt very good after taking Seroquel, was totally normal,   2009 Thyroid treatment (RIT) - felt first time anxiety- Seroquel up to 150mg
2010 - 2012 Effexor 75mg no side effects at first, trust doctor´s advice - Seroquel to 25mg no w/d - 2011 got Maniac first time- Seroquel up 300mg ,5 month later 50mg no w/d
2011 - Lithium (only 2 weeks) ->Strong Anxiety and Insomnia !! Depression Hell began, bad feeling, character Change
2012 - in a clinic:Effexor c/t , Remergel and Lamictal (4 weeks),400mg Seroquel, strong anxiety, problems speaking
2013 - 200mg Seroquel ,10 mg Cipralex, 1 Grain Amour Thyroid

2014 - 200mg Seroquel , 5 mg Cipralex,

2015 - June 100mg , 0mg Cipralex  

         - July   Hospital  again 300mg Seroquel  ,3 Grain Acella

         - September 250mg    

         - October  225mg , 200mg

 Symptoms:  depression, character change ( was very activ, funny , social , spoke a lot, very creativ ), problems speaking ,short-term memory problemsno feelings ,no plans, no real joy, muscle weakness and stiffness, tired, anxiety ,problems coming up in the morning, not more social, problems with music,TV...

still not know is it w/d, is it the thyroid, is it because of adrenal fatigue,are these hormon problems ???

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Emely, please bookmark this Intro topic so you can add to it.

 

Are you only on Seroquel now? No one can tell the future. Taking Effexor again is unpredictable.

 

It may be the Seroquel itself is causing your symptoms, or that your system is adjusting to all the changes in medications.

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Hello Altostarta,

Iam on Seroquel at the moment 200mg and Cipralex 10mg.

 

Also I begin to take Adrenalplus , something for the Adrenals.

I almost feel tired and often very depressed since 1 year. Effexor helped me at first .I took only 75-112,5.

 

Thanks Emely

2008 - Seroquel 100mg Insomnia after Birth of my Daughter ,felt very good after taking Seroquel, was totally normal,   2009 Thyroid treatment (RIT) - felt first time anxiety- Seroquel up to 150mg
2010 - 2012 Effexor 75mg no side effects at first, trust doctor´s advice - Seroquel to 25mg no w/d - 2011 got Maniac first time- Seroquel up 300mg ,5 month later 50mg no w/d
2011 - Lithium (only 2 weeks) ->Strong Anxiety and Insomnia !! Depression Hell began, bad feeling, character Change
2012 - in a clinic:Effexor c/t , Remergel and Lamictal (4 weeks),400mg Seroquel, strong anxiety, problems speaking
2013 - 200mg Seroquel ,10 mg Cipralex, 1 Grain Amour Thyroid

2014 - 200mg Seroquel , 5 mg Cipralex,

2015 - June 100mg , 0mg Cipralex  

         - July   Hospital  again 300mg Seroquel  ,3 Grain Acella

         - September 250mg    

         - October  225mg , 200mg

 Symptoms:  depression, character change ( was very activ, funny , social , spoke a lot, very creativ ), problems speaking ,short-term memory problemsno feelings ,no plans, no real joy, muscle weakness and stiffness, tired, anxiety ,problems coming up in the morning, not more social, problems with music,TV...

still not know is it w/d, is it the thyroid, is it because of adrenal fatigue,are these hormon problems ???

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Emely--

 

It sounds to me like you have made many changes in your drugs over the past few years, and even some changes this year. It also sounds like you are going up and down on your dosage of Seroquel.

 

We find that going up and down on drug dosages and adding and removing new drugs actually causes more withdrawal than just staying on the same doses of things.

 

At first, when people are new to psych drugs, often the first time or two they can go on and off them okay.

 

But at some point that changes, and we think the brain and nervous system become extra sensitive to the drugs, partly as a result of going down and back up on them, and also as a result of changing to different medications and drugs.

 

Usually once that happens, more changes just lead to more problems.

 

So I would highly encourage you to stop changing anything and just take the same amount of medication at the same time of day, every day, for many months. 

 

It is possible that one of your medications is contributing to your symptoms now, but it is very difficult to say if the problem is the medication that you are taking, or if the problem is that you are simply in a very unstable state right now due to all of the changes that you have put your brain and body through recently.  

 

My feeling about it is that right now changing things is likely to lead only to more suffering for you.  I would recommend just stop changing anything for a while, probably many months.

 

After a while you will find that you will begin to feel more stable. Continue to wait for a while. Once you have been fairly stable for at least a month, you can then begin a very slow and careful taper.

 

From the history you describe I think you will probably always be sensitive now to changes in your drugs and changes in the quantity you take.  It is very important not to jump around on dosages, but take the same amount every day, to help your brain and body become stable.

Started on Prozac and Xanax in 1992 for PTSD after an assault. One drug led to more, the usual story. Got sicker and sicker, but believed I needed the drugs for my "underlying disease". Long story...lost everything. Life savings, home, physical and mental health, relationships, friendships, ability to work, everything. Amitryptiline, Prozac, bupropion, buspirone, flurazepam, diazepam, alprazolam, Paxil, citalopram, lamotrigine, gabapentin...probably more I've forgotten. 

Started multidrug taper in Feb 2010.  Doing a very slow microtaper, down to low doses now and feeling SO much better, getting my old personality and my brain back! Able to work full time, have a full social life, and cope with stress better than ever. Not perfect, but much better. After 23 lost years. Big Pharma has a lot to answer for. And "medicine for profit" is just not a great idea.

 

Feb 15 2010:  300 mg Neurontin  200 Lamictal   10 Celexa      0.65 Xanax   and 5 mg Ambien 

Feb 10 2014:   62 Lamictal    1.1 Celexa         0.135 Xanax    1.8 Valium

Feb 10 2015:   50 Lamictal      0.875 Celexa    0.11 Xanax      1.5 Valium

Feb 15 2016:   47.5 Lamictal   0.75 Celexa      0.0875 Xanax    1.42 Valium    

2/12/20             12                       0.045               0.007                   1 

May 2021            7                       0.01                  0.0037                1

Feb 2022            6                      0!!!                     0.00167               0.98                2.5 mg Ambien

Oct 2022       4.5 mg Lamictal    (off Celexa, off Xanax)   0.95 Valium    Ambien, 1/4 to 1/2 of a 5 mg tablet 

 

I'm not a doctor. Any advice I give is just my civilian opinion.

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Hello :)

 

So I stayed with the 200mg Seroquel almost 7 Months.

Tried to fix the thyroid problem. Take 3 Grain Amour Thyroid.

Come down with Cipralex from 10 to 5mg. ( every 1-2 months 1mg)

But still feal often very numb, anxiety, muscleweakness and pain.

So last 5 days just took 150mg Seroquel , cause I have only 150mg and 200 mg....

At first I felt so much better the last days...

but yesterday was crying and crying....So yesterday i took again 200mg. Now I have to find out how to cut it to 175mg..

Is it possible to take 25mg normal and 150mg Prolong

 

Then I have problems with no feelings for people and just feel the most of the time kind of nothing.

I have problems in the Morning to come out ...suicidal thoughts...

 

This problems all started since they took me off from  Effexor 1 1/2 Years ago.

2008 - Seroquel 100mg Insomnia after Birth of my Daughter ,felt very good after taking Seroquel, was totally normal,   2009 Thyroid treatment (RIT) - felt first time anxiety- Seroquel up to 150mg
2010 - 2012 Effexor 75mg no side effects at first, trust doctor´s advice - Seroquel to 25mg no w/d - 2011 got Maniac first time- Seroquel up 300mg ,5 month later 50mg no w/d
2011 - Lithium (only 2 weeks) ->Strong Anxiety and Insomnia !! Depression Hell began, bad feeling, character Change
2012 - in a clinic:Effexor c/t , Remergel and Lamictal (4 weeks),400mg Seroquel, strong anxiety, problems speaking
2013 - 200mg Seroquel ,10 mg Cipralex, 1 Grain Amour Thyroid

2014 - 200mg Seroquel , 5 mg Cipralex,

2015 - June 100mg , 0mg Cipralex  

         - July   Hospital  again 300mg Seroquel  ,3 Grain Acella

         - September 250mg    

         - October  225mg , 200mg

 Symptoms:  depression, character change ( was very activ, funny , social , spoke a lot, very creativ ), problems speaking ,short-term memory problemsno feelings ,no plans, no real joy, muscle weakness and stiffness, tired, anxiety ,problems coming up in the morning, not more social, problems with music,TV...

still not know is it w/d, is it the thyroid, is it because of adrenal fatigue,are these hormon problems ???

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Hi Emely,

 

 

I began reading from the beginning of your thread and saw that you were here in May and then was absent for a long time.

 

Welcome back again ;)

 

It's great you stayed on the same dose to allow your nervous system to stabilize. have you read about windows and waves pattern of recovery here? I find reading other peoples stores very helpful because we all have very similar problems and it's sometimes easier to see 'mistakes' others are making than our own.

 

I don't know anything about Seroquel but the general rule about 10 % decrease applies as well. Whenever you went more than that (and it was many times), you learnt it the very painful way that it was very wrong.

 

Going from 200 to 150 mg is 25 % and the symptoms you develop tell you it was too much. I see you understand this and going back quickly was probably the best thing to do. 

 

 But now the question is how to get 180 mg of the drug when you have only 150 and 200 mg pills. Well, the people here found the way round this too. Depending on the drug, they use scales or prepare water suspension of the drug.

 

There is a very detailed advice on how to do this here and I hope somebody will soon come to advise on what is the best course of action with Seroquel....

 

best,

 

bubble 

Current: 9/2022 Xanax 0.08, Lexapro 2

2020 Xanax 0.26 (down from 2 mg in 2013), Lexapro 2.85 mg (down from 5 mg 2013)

Amitriptyline (tricyclic AD) and clonazepam for 3 months to treat headache in 1996 
1999. - present Xanax prn up to 3 mg.
2000-2005 Prozac CT twice, 2005-2010 Zoloft CT 3 times, 2010-2013 Escitalopram 10 mg
went from 2.5 to zero on 7 Aug 2013, bad crash 40 days after
reinstated to 5 mg Escitalopram 4Oct 2013 and holding liquid Xanax every 5 hours
28 Jan 2014 Xanax 1.9, 18 Apr  2015 1 mg,  25 June 2015 Lex 4.8, 6 Aug Lexapro 4.6, 1 Jan 2016 0.64  Xanax     9 month hold

24 Sept 2016 4.5 Lex, 17 Oct 4.4 Lex (Nov 0.63 Xanax, Dec 0.625 Xanax), 1 Jan 2017 4.3 Lex, 24 Jan 4.2, 5 Feb 4.1, 24 Mar 4 mg, 10 Apr 3.9 mg, May 3.85, June 3.8, July 3.75, 22 July 3.7, 15 Aug 3.65, 17 Sept 3.6, 1 Jan 2018 3.55, 19 Jan 3.5, 16 Mar 3.4, 14 Apr 3.3, 23 May 3.2, 16 June 3.15, 15 Jul 3.1, 31 Jul 3, 21 Aug 2.9 26 Sept 2.85, 14 Nov Xan 0.61, 1 Dec 0.59, 19 Dec 0.58, 4 Jan 0.565, 6 Feb 0.55, 20 Feb 0.535, 1 Mar 0.505, 10 Mar 0.475, 14 Mar 0.45, 4 Apr 0.415, 13 Apr 0.37, 21 Apr 0.33, 29 Apr 0.29, 10 May 0.27, 17 May 0.25, 28 May 0.22, 19 June 0.22, 21 Jun updose to 0.24, 24 Jun updose to 0.26

Supplements: Omega 3 + Vit E, Vit C, D, magnesium, Taurine, probiotic 

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Hello, Emely.

 

It sounds like you are having adverse effects from Seroquel. I would hold on the citalopram and taper the Seroquel.

 

See http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1707-tips-for-tapering-off-seroquel-quetiapine/

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here is the advice on how to make a liquid from tablets or capsules...

 

 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/2693-how-to-make-a-liquid-from-tablets-or-capsules/

Current: 9/2022 Xanax 0.08, Lexapro 2

2020 Xanax 0.26 (down from 2 mg in 2013), Lexapro 2.85 mg (down from 5 mg 2013)

Amitriptyline (tricyclic AD) and clonazepam for 3 months to treat headache in 1996 
1999. - present Xanax prn up to 3 mg.
2000-2005 Prozac CT twice, 2005-2010 Zoloft CT 3 times, 2010-2013 Escitalopram 10 mg
went from 2.5 to zero on 7 Aug 2013, bad crash 40 days after
reinstated to 5 mg Escitalopram 4Oct 2013 and holding liquid Xanax every 5 hours
28 Jan 2014 Xanax 1.9, 18 Apr  2015 1 mg,  25 June 2015 Lex 4.8, 6 Aug Lexapro 4.6, 1 Jan 2016 0.64  Xanax     9 month hold

24 Sept 2016 4.5 Lex, 17 Oct 4.4 Lex (Nov 0.63 Xanax, Dec 0.625 Xanax), 1 Jan 2017 4.3 Lex, 24 Jan 4.2, 5 Feb 4.1, 24 Mar 4 mg, 10 Apr 3.9 mg, May 3.85, June 3.8, July 3.75, 22 July 3.7, 15 Aug 3.65, 17 Sept 3.6, 1 Jan 2018 3.55, 19 Jan 3.5, 16 Mar 3.4, 14 Apr 3.3, 23 May 3.2, 16 June 3.15, 15 Jul 3.1, 31 Jul 3, 21 Aug 2.9 26 Sept 2.85, 14 Nov Xan 0.61, 1 Dec 0.59, 19 Dec 0.58, 4 Jan 0.565, 6 Feb 0.55, 20 Feb 0.535, 1 Mar 0.505, 10 Mar 0.475, 14 Mar 0.45, 4 Apr 0.415, 13 Apr 0.37, 21 Apr 0.33, 29 Apr 0.29, 10 May 0.27, 17 May 0.25, 28 May 0.22, 19 June 0.22, 21 Jun updose to 0.24, 24 Jun updose to 0.26

Supplements: Omega 3 + Vit E, Vit C, D, magnesium, Taurine, probiotic 

I'm not a medical professional. Any advice I give is based on my own experience and reading. 

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Hello :)

 

Thanks for you helpful reply:)... .. sorry that i did not answer.....

 

I am still on 200mg Seroquel and 5mg Cipralex. I have some days it´s better but the most of the time i feel so bad and especially my empathy for other people and the nature is gone. i do not talk and have no thoughts in my mind. I also have problems with managing time. I just live the day....My skin ist totally bad.

The thing is I not really know : are these the hormones ( cause of my thyroid treatment) or is this still withdrawel..... My personality change is 180 °......So is this a depression I have to handle ...my psychiatrist doesn´t help me. He does not help me to reduce the medications, but he also does not change the medications.

 

Are there some people who got there hormon problems fixed and now feel better ?

 

Last week I had an appointment at  a hospital to check out what to do next or go for some time in the hospital.

 

Of course now  I have no trust in any treatment anymore....But I can´t live the way i do at the moment.

 

Wow I often just think back at the time everything was so normal and I really enjoyed Life !

 

 

Emely 

2008 - Seroquel 100mg Insomnia after Birth of my Daughter ,felt very good after taking Seroquel, was totally normal,   2009 Thyroid treatment (RIT) - felt first time anxiety- Seroquel up to 150mg
2010 - 2012 Effexor 75mg no side effects at first, trust doctor´s advice - Seroquel to 25mg no w/d - 2011 got Maniac first time- Seroquel up 300mg ,5 month later 50mg no w/d
2011 - Lithium (only 2 weeks) ->Strong Anxiety and Insomnia !! Depression Hell began, bad feeling, character Change
2012 - in a clinic:Effexor c/t , Remergel and Lamictal (4 weeks),400mg Seroquel, strong anxiety, problems speaking
2013 - 200mg Seroquel ,10 mg Cipralex, 1 Grain Amour Thyroid

2014 - 200mg Seroquel , 5 mg Cipralex,

2015 - June 100mg , 0mg Cipralex  

         - July   Hospital  again 300mg Seroquel  ,3 Grain Acella

         - September 250mg    

         - October  225mg , 200mg

 Symptoms:  depression, character change ( was very activ, funny , social , spoke a lot, very creativ ), problems speaking ,short-term memory problemsno feelings ,no plans, no real joy, muscle weakness and stiffness, tired, anxiety ,problems coming up in the morning, not more social, problems with music,TV...

still not know is it w/d, is it the thyroid, is it because of adrenal fatigue,are these hormon problems ???

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 ...my psychiatrist doesn´t help me. He does not help me to reduce the medications, but he also does not change the medications.

 

 

You don't need your psychiatrist to help you reduce your medications, see the link Alto provided above.  As long as your are still able to get them, you can taper by yourself, slowly and carefully.

 

Perhaps when you get lower in your dose of seroquel, you will start to feel better.

I'm not a doctor.  My comments are not medical advise. These are my opinions based on my own experience and what I've learned. Please discuss your situation with a medical practitioner who has knowledge of tapering and withdrawal...if you are lucky enough to find one.

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DX ADHD followed by several years of stimulants and other drugs trying to manage increasing symptoms

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Thank you :)

 

I will try the digital scale.

 

Today I did a Liver Flush and that felt really good.

Also I will try the Paleo Diet without milk and gluten... Maybe this will help me in the next months...

 

I wish you a great easter Time :)

 

Emely

2008 - Seroquel 100mg Insomnia after Birth of my Daughter ,felt very good after taking Seroquel, was totally normal,   2009 Thyroid treatment (RIT) - felt first time anxiety- Seroquel up to 150mg
2010 - 2012 Effexor 75mg no side effects at first, trust doctor´s advice - Seroquel to 25mg no w/d - 2011 got Maniac first time- Seroquel up 300mg ,5 month later 50mg no w/d
2011 - Lithium (only 2 weeks) ->Strong Anxiety and Insomnia !! Depression Hell began, bad feeling, character Change
2012 - in a clinic:Effexor c/t , Remergel and Lamictal (4 weeks),400mg Seroquel, strong anxiety, problems speaking
2013 - 200mg Seroquel ,10 mg Cipralex, 1 Grain Amour Thyroid

2014 - 200mg Seroquel , 5 mg Cipralex,

2015 - June 100mg , 0mg Cipralex  

         - July   Hospital  again 300mg Seroquel  ,3 Grain Acella

         - September 250mg    

         - October  225mg , 200mg

 Symptoms:  depression, character change ( was very activ, funny , social , spoke a lot, very creativ ), problems speaking ,short-term memory problemsno feelings ,no plans, no real joy, muscle weakness and stiffness, tired, anxiety ,problems coming up in the morning, not more social, problems with music,TV...

still not know is it w/d, is it the thyroid, is it because of adrenal fatigue,are these hormon problems ???

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Hello ,

 

At the moment I try the Paleodiet / the autoimmunprotocol. A doctor recommended this and I read now  a lot about it.

So are there any people who maybe have developed good results and success?

 

Thanks 

Emely

 

2008 - Seroquel 100mg Insomnia after Birth of my Daughter ,felt very good after taking Seroquel, was totally normal,   2009 Thyroid treatment (RIT) - felt first time anxiety- Seroquel up to 150mg
2010 - 2012 Effexor 75mg no side effects at first, trust doctor´s advice - Seroquel to 25mg no w/d - 2011 got Maniac first time- Seroquel up 300mg ,5 month later 50mg no w/d
2011 - Lithium (only 2 weeks) ->Strong Anxiety and Insomnia !! Depression Hell began, bad feeling, character Change
2012 - in a clinic:Effexor c/t , Remergel and Lamictal (4 weeks),400mg Seroquel, strong anxiety, problems speaking
2013 - 200mg Seroquel ,10 mg Cipralex, 1 Grain Amour Thyroid

2014 - 200mg Seroquel , 5 mg Cipralex,

2015 - June 100mg , 0mg Cipralex  

         - July   Hospital  again 300mg Seroquel  ,3 Grain Acella

         - September 250mg    

         - October  225mg , 200mg

 Symptoms:  depression, character change ( was very activ, funny , social , spoke a lot, very creativ ), problems speaking ,short-term memory problemsno feelings ,no plans, no real joy, muscle weakness and stiffness, tired, anxiety ,problems coming up in the morning, not more social, problems with music,TV...

still not know is it w/d, is it the thyroid, is it because of adrenal fatigue,are these hormon problems ???

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