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Agree, it is a great article.  I love this comment:

 

"How do you get a psychiatrist to diagnose you with a mental illness?"

"You make an appointment."

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Even scarier when applied to small children.

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I remembered seeing this article posted and look it up again because I am really concerned for my grandson

and fear he is going to be taken to psych doctors and medicated to get him in line. 

He is 14 and his parents split almost 2 years ago. Since then he is becoming more and more resistant to authority.

He does as he wants when he wants and argues with parents and teachers. He spends almost every weekend with

me and has always been respectful towards me. We were talking last week and he told me he wants out of school

so is being as disruptive as possible so he will be thrown out!  He thought it all outand said if he truants then his

parents can be prosecuted, but they can't be prosecuted if he is thrown out. 

 

If dad tells him off or tries to discipline him by taking away privileges, he leaves and goes to mum's. If mum tells him

off he leaves and goes to dad's.  

 

A few months ago he was seen by the educational psychologist who suggested taking him to the gp because of his

low mood. The second dad told me this alarm bells were ringing in my head and I asked dad to please not let them

medicate him. Mum did take him and he was given tablets to help him sleep but he didn't like them so didn't take

more than 1 or 2.

Reading that article makes me wonder if that is what is going on here. He will argue his point with anyone

but never shouts or uses violence. He has found mobile phones and handed them in to the police. He stops to help

people and will generally do anything for me if I ask him respectfully and not demanding. 

 

He's out on his bike early in the mornings because he likes mornings. He loves rugby and is an accomplished player.

Today his dad told me that he thinks my grandson is depressed. I'm now waiting for them to take him to the doctor.

He is intelligent and loves sport, doing well in inter school sports but doesn't sit in class and learn. 

 

I am very very worried about him but am powerless.  :(

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I really believe that many of these kids that are "labeled" as disruptive are being kids. I haven't seen a five year old boy that doesn't have a ton of energy in general. And watch a teenage boy walking down a crowded high school hallway with friends, or playing a game of basketball.That energy isn't always easy to calm down no matter where they are or what they're doing. Watch any group of teenage girls giggling and screaming excitably about something silly.Normal children are born this way, and due to family dynamics, finances, and just being themselves, doesn't make them anarchists or disruptive. They are reacting to circumstances, and being themselves.Working as I do in a social work environment, I do see a lot of upset parents, children, and families. And I've come to believe that with few exceptions, many children are medicated to maintain control over them by parents who are not ready to be married much less become parents, and often at the recommendations of teachers and counselors who also are overwhelmed and need that control due to class sizes.I do not think one child was ever on a psychotropic (if one existed like they do now) when I went through school. And many of my classmates went on to become researchers, scientists, businessmen and athletes. Oh, and we all went through our rebellious "anarchist" stage also.Too bad and very sad that it's now so difficult to distinguish a normal, healthy, active child from one who may truly require some counseling. And that should happen way before putting any child on any psychotropic medication.My opinion.Marie

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Working as I do in a social work environment, I do see a lot of upset parents, children, and families. And I've come to believe that with few exceptions, many children are medicated to maintain control over them by parents who are not ready to be married much less become parents, and often at the recommendations of teachers and counselors who also are overwhelmed and need that control due to class sizes.

 

I'm glad to see someone else expressing my opinion.  I've often thought that these normal, energetic, curious kids aren't hyperactive at all. What they are is a nuisance to parents who have to overwork to make ends meet and to teachers with overly large classes and too much responsibility. We live in a really crazy, evil-gone-amuck kind of world where that which doesn't contribute to wealth must be overridden and subdued.

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I agree, J!

 

In modern society, the nails that stick up are being hammered down with psychiatric drugs, starting with the children. We live in a science-fiction world.

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Agree, it is a great article.  I love this comment:

 

"How do you get a psychiatrist to diagnose you with a mental illness?"

"You make an appointment."

 

Love this quote'''

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Link to my Introduction thread: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/2477-aria-my-psych-journey/

Reading my psychiatric records: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/5466-drugged-crazy-reading-my-psychiatric-records/

My Success Story is listed under "Aria's Recovery".

 

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Two cheers for anarchism!

 

Snort! HA

Started on Prozac and Xanax in 1992 for PTSD after an assault. One drug led to more, the usual story. Got sicker and sicker, but believed I needed the drugs for my "underlying disease". Long story...lost everything. Life savings, home, physical and mental health, relationships, friendships, ability to work, everything. Amitryptiline, Prozac, bupropion, buspirone, flurazepam, diazepam, alprazolam, Paxil, citalopram, lamotrigine, gabapentin...probably more I've forgotten. 

Started multidrug taper in Feb 2010.  Doing a very slow microtaper, down to low doses now and feeling SO much better, getting my old personality and my brain back! Able to work full time, have a full social life, and cope with stress better than ever. Not perfect, but much better. After 23 lost years. Big Pharma has a lot to answer for. And "medicine for profit" is just not a great idea.

 

Feb 15 2010:  300 mg Neurontin  200 Lamictal   10 Celexa      0.65 Xanax   and 5 mg Ambien 

Feb 10 2014:   62 Lamictal    1.1 Celexa         0.135 Xanax    1.8 Valium

Feb 10 2015:   50 Lamictal      0.875 Celexa    0.11 Xanax      1.5 Valium

Feb 15 2016:   47.5 Lamictal   0.75 Celexa      0.0875 Xanax    1.42 Valium    

2/12/20             12                       0.045               0.007                   1 

May 2021            7                       0.01                  0.0037                1

Feb 2022            6                      0!!!                     0.00167               0.98                2.5 mg Ambien

Oct 2022       4.5 mg Lamictal    (off Celexa, off Xanax)   0.95 Valium    Ambien, 1/4 to 1/2 of a 5 mg tablet 

 

I'm not a doctor. Any advice I give is just my civilian opinion.

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Working as I do in a social work environment, I do see a lot of upset parents, children, and families. And I've come to believe that with few exceptions, many children are medicated to maintain control over them by parents who are not ready to be married much less become parents, and often at the recommendations of teachers and counselors who also are overwhelmed and need that control due to class sizes.

 

I'm glad to see someone else expressing my opinion.  I've often thought that these normal, energetic, curious kids aren't hyperactive at all. What they are is a nuisance to parents who have to overwork to make ends meet and to teachers with overly large classes and too much responsibility. We live in a really crazy, evil-gone-amuck kind of world where that which doesn't contribute to wealth must be overridden and subdued.

 

 

I agree, J!

 

In modern society, the nails that stick up are being hammered down with psychiatric drugs, starting with the children. We live in a science-fiction world.

 

Agree. It's pretty appalling. Interesting to note that there are pockets where this is being discussed openly, particularly in minority communities, because of course minority kids are getting it the worst. 

Started on Prozac and Xanax in 1992 for PTSD after an assault. One drug led to more, the usual story. Got sicker and sicker, but believed I needed the drugs for my "underlying disease". Long story...lost everything. Life savings, home, physical and mental health, relationships, friendships, ability to work, everything. Amitryptiline, Prozac, bupropion, buspirone, flurazepam, diazepam, alprazolam, Paxil, citalopram, lamotrigine, gabapentin...probably more I've forgotten. 

Started multidrug taper in Feb 2010.  Doing a very slow microtaper, down to low doses now and feeling SO much better, getting my old personality and my brain back! Able to work full time, have a full social life, and cope with stress better than ever. Not perfect, but much better. After 23 lost years. Big Pharma has a lot to answer for. And "medicine for profit" is just not a great idea.

 

Feb 15 2010:  300 mg Neurontin  200 Lamictal   10 Celexa      0.65 Xanax   and 5 mg Ambien 

Feb 10 2014:   62 Lamictal    1.1 Celexa         0.135 Xanax    1.8 Valium

Feb 10 2015:   50 Lamictal      0.875 Celexa    0.11 Xanax      1.5 Valium

Feb 15 2016:   47.5 Lamictal   0.75 Celexa      0.0875 Xanax    1.42 Valium    

2/12/20             12                       0.045               0.007                   1 

May 2021            7                       0.01                  0.0037                1

Feb 2022            6                      0!!!                     0.00167               0.98                2.5 mg Ambien

Oct 2022       4.5 mg Lamictal    (off Celexa, off Xanax)   0.95 Valium    Ambien, 1/4 to 1/2 of a 5 mg tablet 

 

I'm not a doctor. Any advice I give is just my civilian opinion.

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