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stan

hi Leon,

 

one year after off free meds is not enough, you have to wait a good year more and i think some of your symptoms will improve;

 

after 6 years taken, two years (2,5 years) is a minimum to be better, DP/DR will diminish...

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Bukowski

Hope you still hang in Leon

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Roads

Yes, hang in please. Could you please tell how do you do?

 

I am sorry to disagree with you stan, but I don't think it will necessarily take as much time. Each journey is unique and unpredictable. I pray god that tramond's will be far shorter than what you put forwards. (and I pray god that yours will soon end too). And it perfectly may be far shorter than that.

 

Hey tramond, I know how distant and irrelevant optimism can sound in hell. But please, when you will feel well, this is hell which will sound distant and irrelevant. I am so sorry for what you are going through. Hang in please.

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Barbarannamated

Nucynta (tapentadol) is very similar.

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Shanti

Wow, my Pharmacist once told me I can't take Ultram with anti-depressants! Your doctor should have known better. This is why my doctor gave me Vicodin instead.

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Barbarannamated

Wow, my Pharmacist once told me I can't take Ultram with anti-depressants! Your doctor should have known better. This is why my doctor gave me Vicodin instead.

 

I was just on the Wiki SSRI Discontinuation page and tramadol is mentioned as an aid is discontinuing although no citation is given. I went in an gave the page bad grades!

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Shanti

 

Wow, my Pharmacist once told me I can't take Ultram with anti-depressants! Your doctor should have known better. This is why my doctor gave me Vicodin instead.

 

I was just on the Wiki SSRI Discontinuation page and tramadol is mentioned as an aid is discontinuing although no citation is given. I went in an gave the page bad grades!

 

OMG. I'm glad you did that.

 

Seriously, we have to practically become doctors to do our doctors jobs!

 

Here's a list of major drug interactions for Ultram. Link

 

There are in addition to this about 200 more drugs that are a moderate interaction.

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Bukowski

I'm very sorry to bring bad news.

 

Leon is not here any more

 

Form his facebook profile it appears that he couldn't stand the terrible suffering anymore and couldn't find other solutions than to leave this world

 

This is very sad

 

Hope you did find peace Leon

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compsports

I'm very sorry to bring bad news.

 

Leon is not here any more

 

Form his facebook profile it appears that he couldn't stand the terrible suffering anymore and couldn't find other solutions than to leave this world

 

This is very sad

 

Hope you did find peace Leon

 

Oh my god, how heartbreaking.

 

Thanks for letting us know.

 

CS

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Maybe

Oh please no...that is so unbelievable sad

 

It was so hard that he had this whipslash incident while going through wd.

I always had hoped for a positive update from him and now this.

 

I am so sorry for him and his relatives

 

Bukowski, are you also on the German ADFD forum? Leon has been quite active there and the people should know of his passing.

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Bukowski

Bukowski, are you also on the forum? Leon has been quite active there and the people should know of his passing.

 

No are not on the German forum - I also think they should know.

 

Ps. I sent you a PM

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karenp

This is so awful. I can't believe this happened. He was suffering so terribly.

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Shanti

God Bless his family. I'm so sad to hear of this.

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solida

I cant believe this!!!.I was talking with leon on the phone about visiting each other in Switzerland some time.....

 

He was fighting so hard and I can t believe that he lost it.

 

I m very sad and my heart goes out to his family and everybody who will miss him.......He was such a wholeharted person.

 

solida

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Altostrata

This is very sad. I'm so sorry he could not find the help he needed.

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stan

what a tragedy!

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Lor95

Please say this isn't true......

I'm absolutely shattered.

God bless you Leon, rest in peace my friend.

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angie007

God Bless you Leon, may you find the peace you craved for so long.

 

My prayers for LEON AND HIS FAMILY, such sad news.

RIP LEON.

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Jemima

Seriously, we have to practically become doctors to do our doctors jobs!

 

In my experience, it isn't "practically", it's for real. More and more I find that doctors have no idea what they're doing. So far, I've diagnosed my own gluten-intolerance (IBS, *NOT*), lung "infection", too low cholestrol, et cetera. And I find that most doctors know nothing at all about nutrition.

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Altostrata

I've always said that managed care means YOU manage them.

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Barbarannamated

A friend asked me about DCing tramadol and I looked more closely at the pharmacokinetics ~

 

It looks like a triple-whammy : opiate AND Effexor (serotonergic and noradrenergic) all in one med

WOW

My friend has been taking this on an as-needed basis for pain and her friends and family have been VERY concerned about her labile and hostile moods --attributed to menopause ~

I repeat --->WOW ~opiate dependence and Effexor all in one

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Whatever

Unfortunately, I have dealt with Tramadol as I was given it after ankle surgery. I had no idea that it was basically a SNRI and is chemically very similar to Effexor. It is not exactly an opiate and not as effective as say, Vicodin. This taught me that before filling any prescriptions - I have to read about the drug first.

 

Tramadol is considered safe by the medical community (shocking right?), when it actually has a high potential for abuse, addiction, and dependence. For many, tolerance grows quickly and more and more is needed to stop the pain. Just like opiates. There is an epidemic of abuse of Tramadol both in the US and for military personnel stationed in the Middle East. Since Tramadol is not a controlled substance, it is easily obtained on the Internet via online pharmacies. This is a huge business. In the Middle East it is available OTC. I do believe that in time, this drug will be scheduled as a controlled substance in the US; it may already be a scheduled drug in some US states.

 

Google "Tramadol Withdrawal" and you will find pages and pages of people who got hooked on this insidious med, deeply regret it and are suffering. Of course, their MD's never told them that it had antidepressant properties, they might not even know, and were told that it was a non-narcotic safe drug that was a better option that the highly addictive opiates. Right, if given the choice I would take a natural or synthetic opiate over Tramadol anyday.

 

The withdrawals are nasty, mostly due to the SNRI properties. The withdrawals are not only worse than, but last longer than withdrawals from opiates.

 

Stay away!

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alexjuice

A friend of mine went through a tough AD w/d and started on Tramadol for chronic pain. He never attributed his poor feelings to his discontinuation of his AD.

 

He seems to be feeling better since starting the Tramadol. I feel very sad for him after seeing how similar this drug is to venlafaxine. Maybe he alleviated some w/d unknowingly by starting on this one for joint pain.

 

It's a real shame about these drugs.

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Skyler

A friend of mine went through a tough AD w/d and started on Tramadol for chronic pain. He never attributed his poor feelings to his discontinuation of his AD.

 

He seems to be feeling better since starting the Tramadol. I feel very sad for him after seeing how similar this drug is to venlafaxine. Maybe he alleviated some w/d unknowingly by starting on this one for joint pain.

 

It's a real shame about these drugs.

Tramadol gets a bad wrap, and my experience was not so dire. I used it successfully to taper off methadone (given for pain). I slid off over 9 months and have not looked back. There have to be some folks who are sensitized, but I did not find it to be the in the same league as ADs, the effects of which made me quite ill.

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Barbarannamated

Tramadol gets a bad wrap, and my experience was not so dire. I used it successfully to taper off methadone (given for pain). I slid off over 9 months and have not looked back. There have to be some folks who are sensitized, but I did not find it to be the in the same league as ADs, the effects of which made me quite ill.

 

Thanks for sharing that, Skyler. I have mixed feelings about tramadol. I take hydrocodone (Norco preparation- less acetaminophen than Vicodin) occasionally for pain but have problems with it's binding effects. Have wondered if tramadol may work.

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alexjuice

Barb,

 

Without being a chemist, I saw a things on the wiki page that would give me pause. Skylar may have been okay with it, but I'd avoid that one if it were me.

 

Pharmacologically, Tramadol is similar to levorphanol (albeit with much lower μ-agonism), both agents have SNRI activity. Dextropropoxyphene (Darvon) & M1-like molecule tapentadol (Nucynta, a new synthetic atypical opioid made to mimic the agonistic properties of tramadol's metabolite, M1(O-Desmethyltramadol)) also have similar activities. Tramadol is also molecularly similar to venlafaxine (Effexor) and has similar SNRI effects, with antinociceptive effects. It has been suggested that tramadol could be effective for alleviating symptoms of depression, anxiety, and phobias[6] because of its action on the noradrenergic and serotonergic systems, such as its "atypical" opioid activity.[7] However, health professionals have not endorsed its use for these disorders,[8][9] claiming it may be used as a unique treatment (only when other treatments failed), and must be used under the control of a psychiatrist.[10][11]

 

In May 2009, the United States Food and Drug Administration issued a Warning Letter to Johnson & Johnson, alleging that a promotional website commissioned by the manufacturer had "overstated the efficacy" of the drug, and "minimized the serious risks".[12] The company which produced it, the German pharmaceutical company Grünenthal GmbH, were alleged to be guilty of "minimizing" the habituating nature of the drug, although it showed little abuse liability in preliminary tests.[citation needed]

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tramadol

 

Since I have extensive (bad) experience with venlafaxine I would avoid a pain killer that appears similar in substantial ways. If I had a pain problem, I'd favor the opiates, even though they can be tougher to obtain and present some problems of their own.

 

I once heard Dr. Drew Pinksy say, and which agrees with my observational experience of opiate addicts: "Heroin [opiates as well] isn't actually that dangerous a drug, chemically speaking. Aside from overdose risk, it's safer relative to alcohol, stimulants and other recreational drugs." In other words, if you don't die from misapplication the collateral damage isn't particularly bad.

 

I'd rather have smoked heroin (which I never have) than taken Effexor. Could I go back in time, I'd even have injected heroin (a horrible risk-adjusted proposition) rather than taken an antypsychotic and probably Effexor as well. /rmble

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