Lexy Posted April 18, 2017 Author Share Posted April 18, 2017 Can you still get waves in a slow Effexor micro taper ? Or are withdrawal symptoms coming from a slight decrease 3%? Started Effexor August 2012 Sept'12-150mg=extreme anxiety Oct'12 cut half-75mg severe wds Feb 2013 68.5mg. Mar'13- 65mg. Apr'13-59mg. May'13-57mg. June '13-52mg Aug'13 49.75mg. Sep'13-48.75. Nov'13-47mg Dec'13-45..5mg May 2014 42mg. Jun'14 40mg (depressive mood started). Aug'14 -40mg/ started brintellix 2.5mg Oct '14 -39 Nov'14 36.89 Dec'14 34.45 Jan 2015- 31 Feb'15 29mg. Mar'15 26.72. Apr'15 24.48. May'15 22.31mg. Jun'15 20.30mg Aug'15-18.89. Oct'15 16.96. Nov/16- 16.10. Dec/15- 15mg Jan 2016-14.22. May'16 11.45. Aug'16-9.60. Sep/16- 8.88mg. Oct/16- 8.39mg. Nov/16- 8.13. Dec/16- 7.89 Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted April 27, 2017 Administrator Share Posted April 27, 2017 Yes, you can still get waves. You may want to hold for a time to let your nervous system settle down. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Newbeginning Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 Seems to me we can get withdrawal from a cut, no matter how small. Or bodies may tolerate a 3% cut at the beginning of the taper, but then not tolerate it at lower doses. Also, you said in my topic that you have kept cutting before you went back to your baseline. In my experience, if I'm not at my baseline for 1 month before I cut, I get withdrawal no matter how little I cut. So what you're experiencing may be the result of previous cuts that are catching up on you. This is because your body never completely "stabilized". I know in your case the challenge is that you've never been 100% stable, so you need to figure out your "withdrawal baseline" and make sure you're there for a month before you cut more. It sounds to me that you would benefit from a longer hold. You have nothing to lose. You feel bad cutting so give your body a break and see if that helps. It's taken me 3 months to get better from the anxiety after my last cut. I still have the depression. It's not worth the suffering. I would have been able to cut more by now if I had waited longer before doing my last cut. We pay the price if we keep cutting and destabilizing our bodies more. I actually slows the taper because we need to wait longer to stabilize. I feel for you Lexy. I'm in the same boat, suffering for months after a minimal cut with no way to stabilize but to hold, wait and suffer through it. I'm starting an intensive outpatient therapy program to try to cope with anxiety, depression and apathy. Are you in therapy? SSRIs 3-4 times in the last 14 years; would take them for 6-8 months and then taper off under dr supervision with no problems. Med history prior to 2015: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/6012-newbeginning-my-withdrawal-story/?p=267313#entry267313 04/2015: Prozac decreased to 15mg over last 3 months; effexor held steady at 8mg; current effexor XR: 20 beads of a 75mg capsule per day (about 8mg) 06/2015: Prozac: 10mg; effexor XR: 19 beads (about 7.5mg); 07/2015: Prozac: 8.5mg; effexor 18 beads; 08/2015: Prozac: 7.5mg; effexor: 17 beads End of August: withdrawal: depressive symptoms, crying spells. Realized I was measuring prozac dose wrong for the last 2 months. Reinstated Prozac 8.5mg; Kept effexor at 17 beads. Stabilized in 5 weeks. 10/2015: Prozac: 8.5mg; effexor: 17 beads; 11/2015: Prozac: 1.9ml (7.5mg); effexor: 16 beads; 12/2015: Prozac: 1.6ml; effexor xr: 16 beads. Withdrawal: neuroemotions 01/2016: prozac: 1.6ml; effexor xr: reinstated 17 beads, withdrawal improved; 02/2016: Prozac 1.5ml; Effexor: 17 beads; 03/2016: Prozac 1.3ml(5mg); Effexor: 17 beads (7mg)-withdrawal (flu-like malaise, lightheaded, drowsy) started end of March. April 15: reinstated Prozac 1.5ml. Stabilized. 2 weeks ok. End of April: Withdrawal (neuroemotions). Eventually stabilized in April-May. Apathy improved. 3 month hold until August. August 2016: apathy came back; October 2016: updosed to Prozac 1.6ml. Bad reaction: anxiety, depression. End of October: went down Prozac 1.5ml. Stabilized over several weeks. Dec 9: tried macca for energy: anxiety/depression. Improved over several weeks, but not completely resolved. Dec 31: cut Effexor 5% to 16 beads. After 9 days: withdrawal anxiety, depression; tried updosing to 17 beads Feb 7 but anxiety got worse; went down to 16 beads May 2017: Anxiety improved; severe depression continues; September 2017: finally stabilized!!!!!! 09/07/2017-12/31/2017: hold Stable on Effexor 6mg and Prozac 6mg until around 2019-2020. Side effects (fatigue, anhedonia) continued, but had some long lasting windows thanks to therapy. Windows lasting 5-6 months each year followed by relapses. 2019: bad reaction to melatonin 3 mg. Withdrawal after taking it 2 months. When I tried to stop it developed severe insomnia that lasted 6 months even after I reinstated melatonin. Only slept again because I took hydroxyzine 5 mg 3 times a week for few months. Stopped hydroxyzine with no issues. Sleep normalized. 2020-2021: Holding on Prozac 6mg, Effexor 6mg, Tapered melatonin 1 drop every 2-4 weeks down to 1.5mg. Had to hold because further cuts were causing severe drowsiness. 2021: Insomnia returned due to caffeine use for few months (only started after months of use). I also had a concussion at this time. 2023: took hydroxyzine 5-100mg for one month (kept increasing dose every 3 days because I developed tolerance). Tapered for 1 week. After 1 month: withdrawal neuroemotions. Reinstated 5mg 2 months after stopping. Gradually increased to 25mg, stabilized, but withdrawal came back after 10 days. Kept increasing dose and withdrawal returning. Currently at 40mg. Not sure how to stabilize. Link to comment
Lexy Posted April 29, 2017 Author Share Posted April 29, 2017 Thank you Alto and newbeginning I will put a hold on my taper and wait until I stabilize. I was starting to feel better for almost 2 weeks; I jumped too quick. Lately I have been thinking of searching for a therapist but one who at least has heard of withdrawals, which where I live is hard to come by. The one I found is not accepting new patients. I will try to expand my search. Started Effexor August 2012 Sept'12-150mg=extreme anxiety Oct'12 cut half-75mg severe wds Feb 2013 68.5mg. Mar'13- 65mg. Apr'13-59mg. May'13-57mg. June '13-52mg Aug'13 49.75mg. Sep'13-48.75. Nov'13-47mg Dec'13-45..5mg May 2014 42mg. Jun'14 40mg (depressive mood started). Aug'14 -40mg/ started brintellix 2.5mg Oct '14 -39 Nov'14 36.89 Dec'14 34.45 Jan 2015- 31 Feb'15 29mg. Mar'15 26.72. Apr'15 24.48. May'15 22.31mg. Jun'15 20.30mg Aug'15-18.89. Oct'15 16.96. Nov/16- 16.10. Dec/15- 15mg Jan 2016-14.22. May'16 11.45. Aug'16-9.60. Sep/16- 8.88mg. Oct/16- 8.39mg. Nov/16- 8.13. Dec/16- 7.89 Link to comment
Lexy Posted July 19, 2017 Author Share Posted July 19, 2017 My pdoc just told me to see a rheaumatologist dr as he is concerned I might have some kind of lupus. I had just finished telling him my physical Symptoms had been getting better: low grade fevers off and on fast heartbeat, knee pain;Come and go. He noticed some rash in my leg told me I should be checked out for lupus. I'm freaking out because after 5 years he's telling me this now?? I am microtapering and for the last couple months I have been holding for longer period and seems to have given me a respite on the symptoms. Started Effexor August 2012 Sept'12-150mg=extreme anxiety Oct'12 cut half-75mg severe wds Feb 2013 68.5mg. Mar'13- 65mg. Apr'13-59mg. May'13-57mg. June '13-52mg Aug'13 49.75mg. Sep'13-48.75. Nov'13-47mg Dec'13-45..5mg May 2014 42mg. Jun'14 40mg (depressive mood started). Aug'14 -40mg/ started brintellix 2.5mg Oct '14 -39 Nov'14 36.89 Dec'14 34.45 Jan 2015- 31 Feb'15 29mg. Mar'15 26.72. Apr'15 24.48. May'15 22.31mg. Jun'15 20.30mg Aug'15-18.89. Oct'15 16.96. Nov/16- 16.10. Dec/15- 15mg Jan 2016-14.22. May'16 11.45. Aug'16-9.60. Sep/16- 8.88mg. Oct/16- 8.39mg. Nov/16- 8.13. Dec/16- 7.89 Link to comment
Memphisto Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 hello Lexy, how do you feel these days and have you been able to stop using the effexor completely? March 2020 - 15 mg mirtazapine May 2020 - 10 mg escitalopram , mirtazapine 15 mg June 2020 - 10 mg escitalopram / 7.5 mg mirtazapine mid-July - 5 mg escitalopram / 15 mg mirtazapine Aug, 2020 - 1.5 mg escitalopram / 15 mg mirtazapine Jan, 2021 - 0.95 mg escitalopram / 15 mg mirtazapine Feb 25, 2021 - 0.90 mg escitalopram / 15 mg mirtazapine >>> Crash! - Start with 150 mg opipramol (50-50-50) Jan, 2022 - 0.78 mg escitalopram / 15 mg mirtazapine / 112 mg opipramol ... 01/2024 0.62 mg escitalopram / 11,85 mg mirtazapine / 80 mg opipramol Link to comment
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