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btdt

Do you think lidocaine as an amine drug can cause reactions in people with histamine issues?  I got the idea from reading your blog and having a reaction to lidocaine which was deemed not an allergy... still have not been to the dentist since.  I am struggling to digest the information posted in the links above... one other thing that comes to mind right off the hop in the old days at pp... a UK posted put up a link to the history of of ssri drugs- basically the base drug was an antihistamine.  I can't help wonder if the human histamine system has been messed up from taking these drugs." And the most thorough food list I’ve found:  from this website with these notes: Note: Amine Food List Ingredients in italics are guesses based on related items and personal experience."  This is where I got the clue.  

 

Back to the drawing board. 

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GiaK

this posts needs to be moved to the histamine intolerance thread, but I can't figure out how to do it...in any case...that list is long and complicated but it 's not particularly accurate...everyone is different...it's better to figure out your own list otherwise you end up eating practically nothing.

 

and most drugs trigger me...I don't know if it's a histamine issue or something else...I sure wouldn't want to mess with lidocaine, knowing my general issues with hyper-sensitivities. 

 

it's hard to tease this stuff all out...but it's possible. I highly recommend The Low Histamine Chef if you want help...she's doing the best work out there on this topic now. http://thelowhistaminechef.com/

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btdt

this posts needs to be moved to the histamine intolerance thread, but I can't figure out how to do it...in any case...that list is long and complicated but it 's not particularly accurate...everyone is different...it's better to figure out your own list otherwise you end up eating practically nothing.

 

and most drugs trigger me...I don't know if it's a histamine issue or something else...I sure wouldn't want to mess with lidocaine, knowing my general issues with hyper-sensitivities. 

 

it's hard to tease this stuff all out...but it's possible. I highly recommend The Low Histamine Chef if you want help...she's doing the best work out there on this topic now. http://thelowhistaminechef.com/

Thanks for the link I will go there and take a look as much as I like to get a solid understanding of things before I try them... it would appear my brain is not going to co operate for any detail learning today so will go there and take a look at the recipes. Thanks for the help. 

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btdt

this posts needs to be moved to the histamine intolerance thread, but I can't figure out how to do it...in any case...that list is long and complicated but it 's not particularly accurate...everyone is different...it's better to figure out your own list otherwise you end up eating practically nothing.

 

and most drugs trigger me...I don't know if it's a histamine issue or something else...I sure wouldn't want to mess with lidocaine, knowing my general issues with hyper-sensitivities. 

 

it's hard to tease this stuff all out...but it's possible. I highly recommend The Low Histamine Chef if you want help...she's doing the best work out there on this topic now. http://thelowhistaminechef.com/

How do you get dental work done if you don't use lidocaine or some form of freezing?  

I have had many dental issue post Effexor and am in need of a dentists care again now.  I have an apt already though I am scared to death to go.  I can't let infected teeth just continue unchecked either.  

 

Could you tell me what effect probiotics had on your histamine was there a clear cut example?  I am just curious as it has been suggested by docs that I take them continually I feel unwell and need to balance just enough probiotics to keep symptoms down. 

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Barbarannamated

"Sauerkraut with live cultures is a great source of Lactobacillus plantarum, another type that's been found to be very helpful."

 

Is this naturally occurring or added to sauerkraut?

 

Also, any thoughts on PREbiotic + PRObiotic combinations?

 

Thanks.

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Altostrata

The bacteria is what makes sauerkraut sauerkraut. It is naturally occurring.

 

Prebiotics are good, too. You get a lot of prebiotics from roughage.

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btdt

I want to clarify my previous post.  When digestion was a severe issue for me I took acidophilus off he shelf in the drug store three capsule three times a day for 30 days to clear up green jello bowel movements.  It worked. 

Since that time I have moved up to the health food variety that are found in the refrigerator at health food stores I use natural factors protec acidophilus it seems to do the trick when I need to take antibiotics.  I use it the same way three capsules in apple sauce... find one time a day works to keep digestion on track when I need to take antibiotics.  

 

I did a search on Bifidobacterium adolescentis weeded out some sites and came to this one I think maybe valuable in the study of probiotics.  

http://www.powerofprobiotics.com/Bifidobacterium.html

 

Interesting page of side effects of probiotics

http://www.powerofprobiotics.com/Side-effects-of-probiotics.html

 

Whole raw food source of probiotics

http://www.powerofprobiotics.com/Whole-foods.html

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Altostrata

Thanks for that info, btdt.

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Altostrata

In the US, Nature's Way carries a number of bifidobacteria probiotic supplements. Some do not require refrigeration, so they can be mail-ordered.These look good: Nature's Way Primadophilus Probifia, containing bifidobacterium infantis (does not require refrigeration); and Nature's Way Primadophilus Bifidus, other bifidos but no bifidobacterium infantis (requires refrigeration).

 

Regarding Nature's Way Primadophilus Bifidus, iHerb says

These items are not shipped with ice packs. We were told by Nature's Way that is not necessary to have it refrigerated during transit. Here is their response, "Primadophilus can be out of refrigeration for a few days without losing the potency. We add extra cultures to allow for the product to be out of refrigeration for shipping and manufacturing. But for long term storage in order to hold the potency the product should be stored in the refrigerator." We do keep the product refrigerated while it is in here and we suggest you do the same when the item is received.

 

 

So if you trust your shipper, I guess you can mail order even Nature's Way probiotics that require refrigeration.

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Altostrata

Target carries a bifido probiotic including b. infantis under their Up brand. Claims to not need refrigeration.

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whitelily

Has anyone else had this?  After taking Vitamin B Complex (two split doses of B50) the first time, I felt a bit 'strange' - don't know how else to describe it - then I got very sleepy and went to sleep all afternoon.  Then several days later, it's happened again - without feeling strange - but I've slept most of the day (which for me us unusual because usually I'm too tense).

 

Overall, I'm really pleased that I'm feeling much more relaxed since taking  B Complex - but I'm wondering why its having this affect?  Could it be that my brain/body is healing and therefore needing to sleep?

 

I noticed that B Complex is not necessarily recommended here because of a possible interaction with the medication.  I wondered if it were interacting, what the likely symptoms would be??

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cymbaltawithdrawal5600

The problem some people find is that b's are too activating. Why they had this effect on you is a mystery to me. We are all so different. I don't think they react to meds per se.

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Meimeiquest

I have strong effects from b vitamins, niacin really calms me. I have been reading about nutrient therapy for mental illness (I am one of the few here who thinks they have "something wrong", so this probably doesn't apply to you)...you can read about it in the resources section of mensahmedical.com. Also, there is some info in the thread on methylation and b vitamins. Those would be underlying principles, but with withdrawal predictability is out the window,

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Altostrata

whitelily, it could be your body badly needed those B vitamins.

 

Sleep is healing. Try to stay on a regular schedule, though.

 

I wish B vitamins made me sleepy!

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whitelily

Thanks for your replies.

 

Altostrata - I think that maybe I really needed them too.  I decided to take them after reading about links between schizophrenia and niacin deficiency - and I thought that niacin is better absorbed with the rest of the B's.  I have a similar diagnosis to schizophrenia - schizoaffective disorder - although I never had any problems until I was prescribed Prozac many years ago.  I just thought I'd play safe and take the vitamins in case there's an underlying imbalance.  I'm going to continue to take them as I taper my dose.    

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Altostrata

It could be you were low in some B vitamins all along.

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SouthernFreeze

A naturopath gave me a strong b vitamin supplement to take everyday. I took it in the morning and it did make me feel drowsy for a whil. I ran out of that supplement and brought something else, similar but in capsule form and now i think it makes me kind of agitated.

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Jose

Hello everyone.

This is an old post but very relevant, wanted to share my experience. A week ago I started taking a B-vitamin complex containing B6, B9 and B12. on day 4 I started feeling worse, more anxious and desperate. On day 7 I had a horrible burst of anxiety so I have decided to stop taking the tablets.

I may try the B12 alone in the future. What is the beneficial effect that those of you taking B-12 have noticed?

Thanks, jose

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Moonlitelotus

So I know when going through withdrawal taking certain supplements is not a good idea. For me B vitamin complex especially not ok even when my nervous system is normal they make me have anxiety. But I have read that B vitamins are good for repairing the nervous system and nurotransmitters. I was wondering if anyone has tried nutritional yeast flakes, you put it on top of your food, it is a great source of B vitamins and other nutrients and minerals. I figure since I am trying to heal my body with good nutrition from food and yeast flakes are a type of food that maybe it wouldn't over load my nervous system like a B complex vitamin would. Has anyone tried this?? If not maybe I will and let you guys know how it goes. This might be a way to naturally get the B vitamins we need without over stimulating our nervous systems.

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btdt

I want to clarify my previous post.  When digestion was a severe issue for me I took acidophilus off he shelf in the drug store three capsule three times a day for 30 days to clear up green jello bowel movements.  It worked. 

Since that time I have moved up to the health food variety that are found in the refrigerator at health food stores I use natural factors protec acidophilus it seems to do the trick when I need to take antibiotics.  I use it the same way three capsules in apple sauce... find one time a day works to keep digestion on track when I need to take antibiotics.  

 

I did a search on Bifidobacterium adolescentis weeded out some sites and came to this one I think maybe valuable in the study of probiotics.  

http://www.powerofprobiotics.com/Bifidobacterium.html

 

Interesting page of side effects of probiotics

http://www.powerofprobiotics.com/Side-effects-of-probiotics.html

 

Whole raw food source of probiotics

http://www.powerofprobiotics.com/Whole-foods.html

 

The first link above contains align... sold at the drug store my sister had it at her house when i was visiting and I tried it ... and I do not like it... I cannot put my finger on it now but it was not as good as my usual kind natural factors - acid bifid... but which I now think I can't take any longer as it seems to cause pain in my feet... so I am shopping for something new. 

I use it to treat the runs... that is the only thing I have ever used it for ... but I can't seem tolerate the amounts of the NF that I need to treat it.. and thing new round has been going on since before xmass hence the shopping. 

Till this point recently I have been using pepto which I need to take every few days... but that is not a long term answer. 

peace all

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Meimeiquest

I made cultured veggies this summer (but the green tomatoes were horrible) and now do kefir and fermented applesauce and mayo. It's easy once you get going, and the food supposedly contains more organisms than pills. I made dandelions from our unsprayed yard...not exactly delish but hopefully healthy. Two websites: culturesforhealth.com and coolinginflammation.blogspot.com.

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btdt

I made cultured veggies this summer (but the green tomatoes were horrible) and now do kefir and fermented applesauce and mayo. It's easy once you get going, and the food supposedly contains more organisms than pills. I made dandelions from our unsprayed yard...not exactly delish but hopefully healthy. Two websites: culturesforhealth.com and coolinginflammation.blogspot.com.

I  will take a look tho I don't trust food they say is organic either yep I am a cynic... i watched a show on tv how they just package the food however they please organic or not.  I know there is not honor left in the world.. it is nuts.  Same with fish it says Canadian fish but it came in on a boat from China and was put in a box in Canada... and around we go. 

Lol I need a bit of land to grow a garden.. oh here we go something else to miss about my long lost house.. :) nope not going there I am growing thicker skin... I will take a look at the site but am not sure where I would get any organic food in Feb that I could trust. 

 

coolinginflammation.blogspot.com. is not working just now.. 

love this one

culturesforhealth.com

 

I may have to try for a credit card if I can't find something like this close to home.. nope don't do credit ...credit is bad for poor people lol  great site tho... thanks 

 

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Meimeiquest

You're right. I do trust the dandelions but they're not really accessible right now. Have you ever tried milk kefir? But, really, you are under so much stress, probiotics might be your best bet.

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btdt

Yes I was drinking 6 oz a day I was buying it in the "orangic" section of a grocery store. 

I love butter milk so had at least one of them a wk... now I have backed off dairy since the doc said no dairy since this "flu" thing started early Dec Late Nov... 

I was also taking alovera juice I have stopped all that due to doctors orders. 

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a99

B6 might be fine for "regular" anxiety but it does something to our hypersensitive nervous systems it doesn't do to normal nervous systems. A lot of things recommended for depression or anxiety are like that. They may work well in normal nervous systems, not so well in nervous systems sensitized by withdrawal. Which is one reason I say you can't treat withdrawal as though it were relapse.

And what about the B vitamins provided by nutrition ? Do they cause any over stimulation or a bad reaction ? 

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@ non-Aussies

 

VEGEMITE!!!   :wacko:

 

Sorry, just couldn't resist that. 

 

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Vonnegutjunky

So I started taking a new multivitamin with b complex on Friday night- I don't know if this is the result of my window on Saturday? Anyway the normal dose is 2 per day, I have only been taking 1 - well I have not eaten anything today (Sunday) and took my vitamin, about 40min after I took it, I started getting goosebumps everywhere and this excited happy feeling like you get right before your going on a rollercoaster; this made me very anxious and worried; I also had to use the bathroom because of it;

 

I was reading b vitamins can do this and read the niacin can also create these feelings -

 

I have to say I feel much much better these last few days, however am I getting too much b vitamins because of this reaction? Can I cut my vitamin In half? They are chewable gummies -

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Petunia

Topics merged.

 

VJ, please search and add to existing topics before starting new ones, this keeps all the collected information, experiences and wisdom in one thread, easily found through searches.

 

People in withdrawal often have this kind of reaction to mixed vitamin B supplements, some of the B vitamins can be too stimulating for a sensitized nervous system.

 

If you want to keep taking it, you could try cutting it in half or quarters.

 

As with all supplements, if you are in withdrawal or tapering, start with a fraction of the recommended dose to see how you react. You can always increase the dose if you get no bad reaction or an increase in symptoms.

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Vonnegutjunky

Ok thank you petunia - I did a search but for whatever reasons could not find anything specific / I may be been to hasty -

 

Would it benefit me to continue to take them? Also I took them at night, probably not a good idea -

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Petunia

VJ, I don't know if you need to take B vitamins, have you been tested for a deficiency? A nervous system sensitized by withdrawal can make it difficult to take some supplements even if you do need them, that's why its best to get your nutrition from food if possible.

 

Yes, B vitamins are a daytime supplement.

 

The best advice I can give you is to avoid anything which increases symptoms. By taking a mixed supplement, you don't know which ingredient may be increasing your symptoms.

 

The search function on this site doesn't work very well.  The best way to search this site for specific information  is to use your favorite search engine. Type in survivingantidepressants.org then the symptom, supplement or information you wish to search for.

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AprilShowers

I hope this is the correct topic to add this link, I read it today and it explains a bit why some of us might be sensitive to B vitamins. https://www.mindbodygreen.com/0-11727/are-vitamins-triggering-your-anxiety.html
 

B's spike my anxiety even on my very good days but I had success with brewers yeast which I took in a very small dose at first and now take about half the daily recommended dose. I was feeling better taking it before I my recent setback from beta blockers. 

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jonnypeters1234567

When people say they get anxious when they take B vitamins, do you mean occurance of physical anxiety- sweats, burning back etc?

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On 7/6/2018 at 3:57 PM, jonnypeters1234567 said:

When people say they get anxious when they take B vitamins, do you mean occurance of physical anxiety- sweats, burning back etc?

Anxious as in a wired, very unpleasant feeling and symptoms which anxiety is causing. This typical anxiety for no reason. I also get inner trembling, shakes.

 

Am not really sure am defficent in B vitamins but I think I may be needing them. With that said,B vitamins as sup is a BIG no for me. Green veggies is recommended aswell as red meat. 

 

Eating greenies everyday and meat 2 to 3 times a week is enought for a person.

 

Kale I just cannot eat probably due to very high b vit.

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freeruby

I feel so grateful for this thread.  It has been a bit of a godsend for me.  I am tapering off of Abilify.   My regular dose was 1 mg.  It has been a difficult very slow taper for me. I started taking B6 about a month ago - and at the same time started to get intense agitation and anxiety in the morning (after I took it) and for the afternoon.  I did not put two and two together. I was also taking vitamin b12.   And fish oil.  Now having read this thread I realize that these supplements can cause problems during withdrawal.  I never would have guessed that.  But once I removed B6 and B12 after about 4 days the anxiety definitely lessened.  This morning I tried a b12 just as a bit of a test and sure enough - the anxiety returned.  I would never have known that without finding this thread - that we can become very sensitive to - well everything.  Thank you.

 

As a side note - I am also taking Cipralex - 6mg dose. For a while I thought perhaps the anxiety was coming from the Cipralex ( and of course from the WD from Abilify).

 

 

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Freesia

I've had some issues with b vitamins and such. So I try them now and then to keep dise low and to test again if they help.

 

Not major problems with magnesium. I am not taking as much these days.

I started taking it last winter for resistant  constipation type possibly ibs that I determined may have been related to triggered by anxiety or vice versa. I knew if I didn't get the constipation under control my anxiety was going off the charts and vice versa. So I focused there for a while. It's better, not always perfect but better. Mag helped with the bowels and perhaps a bit fir calming. It's still an occasional go to supplement.

 

Vit D has helped. I tried l5 mth one brand I had no big probs with. I think the other wasn't good long term. Diff manufacturer or bottles even can matter. I rotate things now. Anxiety isn't as bad. I have some issues health and medically that are triggering my anxiety now when it does get triggered. Or cycles me to a bit of depression. 

It's hard being patient.

Sometimes I wonder if I'll ever heal.

I just can't wait till some things get settled so that I can make more steps forward and hopefully get over this before the things get the best of me.

 

 

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Freesia

Do our hypersensitive nervous systems ever heal ? Is there more topic on this I couldn't find anything when I searched.

 

And I think I've had a couple of bouts of different types of anxiety and I'm so happy that my anxiety seems to be something I may be able to get over.

 

I don't know if there's any kind of way to join people together that want to communicate privately or is it all in post here? 

 

Thanks and I apologize if any of this is misposted.

 

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