brighteningup Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Good to hear your Dad is being so supportive. You hang in there Mixter. I am thinking of you. Hugs ((())) Citalopram for 6 months Since then tapering off over last 4 months 20mg -> 15mg -> 10mg -> 5mg (roughly every 3-4 weeks) Stayed at 2.5mg for approx 6 weeks As of 9 Sept 2011 off citalopram Link to comment
Mixter Posted September 23, 2011 Author Share Posted September 23, 2011 Thanks everyone! I bought a new batch of colloidal silver (5 liters 10 ppm Ag solution) Also Samento TOA free, which I have read that is very good against Borrelia (around top spot effective treatment) Have already begun treatment with Samento, and noticing something feeling a bit helping. So, it will not concern too much about running out of antibiotics. Because in so far, antibiotics are not good for body. Link to comment
Mixter Posted November 20, 2011 Author Share Posted November 20, 2011 Hmm, still staying on the same dose since 5 oct, at 110.3 mgs. Have feeling what of is adrenal pains and kind of "cortisol rush" opposite the depression, and feeling more warm in the body. But also strange moments of "body fear". I am on herbal antibiotics for Lyme: Olive leaf, Grapefruit seed extract, and take Chlorella, L-glutamine, fibers etc detoxifiers. I also take enzymes to digest biofilms and make blood thinner. And olive oil and omega-3 too. Colloidal silver drops in eyes, ears, nose and under tongue has helped much better than swallowing it. My bowel movements have taken a direction now, and connected more with motivation. So some kind of normal feelings, ya all know what I mean. I think it is positive. Sometimes I feel my mind is very clear... then when I have a bad herx, I have brain fog. I feel like half is withdrawal and other half is Lyme. Both make each other worse. I am a survivor and continue to be. Lyme and SSRI also disrupt "associative thinking patterns" when removing them. So I try to stay on the Effexor and hopefully stabilize when I am on treatment for Lyme (and maybe other co-infections too) But Lyme brain "psyche" is awful. I have sensations or internal vision of biofilms/layers and cysts bursting, leaking out Lyme and other co-infections and gobbled up. Isn't it strange, I just want to tell what I experience and that is a true feeling/sensation. I have inner light experiences, demons. But I do think, over course of my treatment... slight improvements. Slowly. Also have "shifts" to and from brain fog, notchs of dizziness rotating very slight and anxiety after I go from or to the computer. Or after reading. Its pure introspective and it "seems too much" for me, but at least I know. So I try to live the life without thinking too much, because it happens and what other choices do I have? I have been having strange suicidal thoughts, easy to suicide but that seems to pass. It always pass! Trust in this! Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted November 20, 2011 Administrator Share Posted November 20, 2011 .... Also have "shifts" to and from brain fog, notchs of dizziness rotating very slight and anxiety after I go from or to the computer. Or after reading. Its pure introspective and it "seems too much" for me, but at least I know. So I try to live the life without thinking too much, because it happens and what other choices do I have? I have been having strange suicidal thoughts, easy to suicide but that seems to pass. It always pass! Trust in this! Good to hear from you, Mixter, and good to hear you're finding some improvement. Those symptoms and the way they change sound very familiar.... If your bowel movements have become more normal, that's a good sign for your autonomic nervous system stabilizing from the Effexor changes, I think. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
SaveMooses Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Wow Mixter! Misdiagnosed Lyme disease? I am so sorry your journey started that way. Sorry, just now read your forum for the first time... So glad you are doing your journey on this forum! Age 11-Depressed~14-Use alcohol and drugs~20-Prozac~21-Zoloft~29-Paxil; Used for 2 yrs; took 5 yrs to recover memory back~39-Raw Thyroid for low T3 & take Prilosec~40-Zoloft stops working, so Lexapro; doesn't work; start counseling. Start 300mg Omega 3 Fish Oil & Vit B Complex. Feel better. Taper off Lexapro unsuccessful~41 (5/22/11)-Quit Lexapro, b/c pills at once. Breakdown at work~(6/26/11)-Start 5mg Lexapro to help WD symptoms~(6/30/11)-Feel better; Able to go back to work.~(9/6/11)- Better! Delay tapering.~(11/14/11)-Taper by skipping 4th day.~(11/20/11)-Crashed. Need another strategy.~(1/14/12)-Start 25mg Zoloft w/Lexapro. Taper to 1/4 Lexapro; success.~(2/17/12)-Stop Lexapro.~43 (2/12/13)-Am great; still on 25mg Zoloft.(9/13/14) Off all meds over a year! Link to comment
Mixter Posted September 12, 2014 Author Share Posted September 12, 2014 Hello again, long time ago. I am on 30 mg Celexa now and 100 mg Seroquel for sleep and depression. got terrible Akathisia back after accidentaly updose due to Rimactan taken at evenings instead of mornings along Celexa + Abx for my Lyme. Rimactan affects blood plasma levels of many medicinations including Celexa. The updose from 20 to 30 mg Celexa did help a bit after Rimactan accidentaly updose, but It seems that I suffer withdrawal now.. random symptoms, but nowhere as bad as CT. The worst is the Akathisia, I didnt want it back and it is back, badly. I sleep 6 hours now instead of 10-12 hrs a day. I can sleep again after hit'd in the mornings with Akathisia but it is very hard with the akathisia. I try to relax, my muscles feel a bit stiff at the connection points to the skeleton. I was at 35 mgs and decided to go down to 30 mg Celexa to see if it could help me, it did help a slight bit but not so much. Anyone with Akathisia ... I am doing anything I can to make it go away, on hard days when I have to enjoy some sort of life I take Akineton but it doesnt help so much, but takes edge off the Akathisia. If I want to relax, I take low amount of Codeine (bad thing) but it definitely helps the Akathisia. Low dose prednisone (which I take for adrenal support seems to help too). The Akathisia is not so bad as in CT, but its there, and I can sit still. Lay still and sleep for more than 6 hours is harder. Would never take any benzos for Akathisia. Propanolol for Akathisia sometimes, seems resonable and to cycle around drugs so not developing an addiction but maybe make withdrawal more chaotic. I do feel the SSRI is working for me, I still feel calm in my thoughts and can relax. But big problem: Akathisia It is because I feel a bit suicidality with Akathisia I have to resort to life saving drugs. And helps to write here to survive... I already suffered for like 7 years with SSRI reinstatement + lyme diagnosis. Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted September 13, 2014 Administrator Share Posted September 13, 2014 Mixter, it's good to hear from you, even though you're still struggling. I am in awe of your tenacity. You are very courageous. Please visit more often. By the way, we have a couple of topics about akathisia http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/7029-blog-my-akathisia-experience/ http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/32-akathisia-vs-restlessness-anxiety-agitation/ This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
mm100 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Hi Mixter I do regonse you from another webite for withdrawal... I am confused when you talk about accidental updose and then updosing to help? the Rimactan makes the ssri stronger or weaker in your system? is the akathisia due to a reduction or an increase in the celexa? i feel sorry that you find yourself in this situation again Link to comment
Mixter Posted September 14, 2014 Author Share Posted September 14, 2014 Hi Mixter I do regonse you from another webite for withdrawal... I am confused when you talk about accidental updose and then updosing to help? the Rimactan makes the ssri stronger or weaker in your system? is the akathisia due to a reduction or an increase in the celexa? i feel sorry that you find yourself in this situation again Accidential updose, got slammed with symptoms. Tried to updose to help, slight improvements. 30 mgs now. Rimactan makes SSRI weaker, about 20-30% less blood plasma levels when taken along with Rimactan. When taken 12 hours off in evenings as I did, it is without Rimactan as it's halflife is short (1-3 hrs). It was what happened, changed from morning to evening. Akathisia probably is delayed withdrawal, because gradual tapering for 5 years from a reinstatement in 2008 before held the glutamatergic system in check and I did "stop" withdrawal for a while thats my theory what happened me (what I think, its speculation). Now the glutamatergic rebound is back but the SSRI is still "cushioning" the real really withdrawal. I really hope the akathisia slowly goes away, max 2-6 months not more. I really dont understand this withdrawal process, its painful and can't expect anything... akathisia is the worst. I rate now the akathisia is at around 2 to 4 in a scale 1-10 but wish really the akathisa could go away, I dont care about other symptoms. Sometimes I will take Akineton or Codeine if I want to enjoy some evenings without akathisia but I think I can cope with this akathisia sometimes. As I feel SSRI makes me kinda not care, so thats what is happening for me now. It is still working. Otherwise it would been much worse. Link to comment
Mixter Posted September 14, 2014 Author Share Posted September 14, 2014 Mixter, it's good to hear from you, even though you're still struggling. I am in awe of your tenacity. You are very courageous. Please visit more often. By the way, we have a couple of topics about akathisia http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/7029-blog-my-akathisia-experience/ http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/32-akathisia-vs-restlessness-anxiety-agitation/ Its been like 7 years now and still struggling.. crazy.. but I am still here. SSRI or not, if the drug works for me, I still chose SSRI and not going CT anymore. I can take all other symptoms, but Akathisia is the worst, it feels like my soul is dying. The place is hellish. Sometimes I can cope, as the SSRI stops emotions from it coming and the suicidal thoughts for Akathisia. So I rarely walk around to ward off the Akathisia (coping in a way) as I have Lyme, and it makes my health muh worse to exercise etc. Also don't feel angry or so, mildy irritated. Better than nothing, SSRI is still working. Whatever. What can we do. Suicide is no way out. Theres must be a way through this... Link to comment
mm100 Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 thankyou for explaining that mixter but may I ask you questions? if the akathisia was caused by the INCREASE in your ctalopram, then why make another in increase to try and stop it? if as you say, citalopram was increased in the blood plama levels by 20-30% then you would have inreased your intake by 4-6mg of citalopram? and THAT was the casue of the returning of akathisia? (assuming you took 20mg before this mistake updose) so you increased again another 6-8mg of citalopram to try and counter that effect? please forgive me if Im wrong... you also say that you suspect the akathisia to be a delayed withdrawal effect, but how can it be when you have increased and not decreased your amount of the drug? did the akathisia start as soon as you changed the time you took the other drug? or had you made changes prior to that to make you think the akathisia was a withdrawal effect rather than a reaction to the increased dose? Link to comment
Mixter Posted September 16, 2014 Author Share Posted September 16, 2014 Hard to explain. The reason I felt like it was withdrawal was because it felt like going CT before, exact same withdrawals mostly Akathisia. When I reinstated in 2008, updosing did only help for 1-2 weeks then withdrawal again. Then I tapered for like 2-3 years, and all withdrawal symptoms vanished. But I felt like my body was dead and so numb, it was very unusual this when I tapered. And when I got to 16 mg I got very very severe depression I could not bear. I updosed to 20 mg and at same time added Rimactan, and were "fine" for 1-2 years (2012-2014) until now. I guess Rimactan made my dose to 15 mg from 20 mg (Rimactan reduces levels of Citalopram and many meds in body) and in a way the body thought it was 20 mg but essentialy 15 mg when Rimactan made it's course during the day at end. So I had not yet upsetted my body. I wish I never started on Rimactan and held my dose at 16 mgs or 20... but whatever... withdrawal is unexpected Probably why an updose upsetted my system. I tried to reduce dose, but it didnt feel right so I updosed, but felt better with the updose. The Akathisia is low-medium but very concerning for me. Sometimes it is lower, then higher. Mostly worse during evenings now. I guess there is no way out but try to see if the Akathisia becomes lower with time... sometimes I feel like ending my life. I have also lost 20 pounds of weight in 6 weeks of this withdrawal since beginning of august. Before I weight around 70 kg now 60 kgs (20 pound difference) If you ask more I can try to explain my theories but I feel like I should have stayed on Effexor for a longer time but even stayed on 225 mg for like 2 months in 2008 and it still didnt work, Akathisia came back with an venegance. The only thing helped this was updose but short, tapering removed all withdrawal. I got some withdrawal symptoms. Feeling jittery, anxious, dread but seems it comes and goes in minutes per day. Akathisia is main symptom now, but it comes and goes... worse after eating. Link to comment
btdt Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 I am concerned with your weight loss Mix I know you say symptoms increase after eating am assuming perhaps incorrectly that is why your not eating as much. It may be helpful to add one of those liquid drinks to your diet like ensure to help you maintain your health. I wonder too if something like aloe vera would help your digestion... just a thought I am trying it now... hoping for good things from it but it is too soon to tell.. what of probiotics? with all the antibiotics you have taken surely a probiotic is called for... are you taking any probiotics? WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
mm100 Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 my akathsia is also worse after eating, ii imagne becasue eatng raises serotonin Link to comment
btdt Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I just read this Mix have you heard of this? " If this works, then this points out that the sugars or carbs are signalling the pancreas which is overworking the adrenal glands. The adrenal glands will kick in with a sugar shock. Adrenals are the typical start of a panic situation. " I have no idea if it is true or not. Panic is kinda of a low level Aka... kind of may be part of the answer it is just a guess. another one. same person suggests this to find out "avoiding all carbs, stick with a high protein diet and see if you get any more attacks" blood-sugar-adrenals-thyroid this we expect but how the pancreas plays in I don't know. I did not find a think saying pancreas was connected to this... but found this tidbit Pathophysiological[edit]Han et al. (2013)[7] reported that upon examination of three patients who experienced abrupt onset of restlessness characteristic of akathisia and Restless Legs Syndrome (RLS),magnetic resonance imaging of the brain revealed pontine infarction (lack of blood to the Pons area of the brain). Han et al. wrote, "The features of our three patients suggest thatRLS and akathisia may have a common pathophysiological mechanism related to the pontine region of the brain."[7] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akathisia#Causes All these years and it appears no headway has been made sorry Mix I guess we know as much now as we always did.... how to survive it and maybe that is the only important bit anyway... I wish you peace WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Hi Mix maybe you would find this helpful.... take a look http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/2670-taurine-l-taurine-amino-acid/?hl=taurine WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
Mixter Posted September 22, 2014 Author Share Posted September 22, 2014 Short update.. I am sleeping well but as I wake up, mild akathisia returns. I can sit or lie down still. I have feeling this mild akathisia will last for a time, maybe up to 1 year. And is worse after eating. It feels uncomfortable in arms, legs and chest but seems I can tolerate some but not always. Its tough to live with akathisia. It seems follow pattern: worse days give better days... and there is no pattern why akathisia returns, it feels like withdrawal akathisia. This is the only one symptom I have now, besides feeling mild adrenaline rushes, cold flushes, mild headaches. Anyone think I have a chance for the akathisia to go away in 1 year and that eventually I can truly stabilize ? My mind seems calm. On 30 mg Celexa for around 1 month. Will hold dose for an very long time. I can survive this, patience is key... but I want the akathisia to go away completely ! Dopamine imbalance in play. The horror thoughts that follows akathisia , dysphoria have lessened slighty and the akathisia isnt so strong now. But sometimes it returns for a while. I have had akathisia now for 5 weeks straight with some windows and gradual lessening but not sure. Link to comment
btdt Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Hi Mix maybe you would find this helpful.... take a look http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/2670-taurine-l-taurine-amino-acid/?hl=taurine ber 2014 - 08:33 AM ten benefits of taurine http://www.poliquing...of_Taurine.aspx Less Stress Eat Meat For Best Results With Taurine Burn Fat Insulin Health Raise Testosterone Fight Oxidative Stress Better Performance and Faster Recovery From Training Cardiovascular Health Sleep Better Better Brain Function A lot more information at the site these are just the titles. Taurine can be synthesized in the pancreas if sufficient cysteine is available. For best results you should get taurine in the diet and take a supplement. Resistance trainees and athletes will deplete this nutrient since it is involved in fat use for energy production and stress management. For example, baseball pitchers and track throwers tend to be deficient in taurine and magnesium due to all the high velocity throws they perform. Taurine doesn’t just improve an already functioning metabolism. It has an antioxidant effect and has been found to lower chronic inflammation in the hypothalamus that results in greater insulin production by the pancreas, which in turn produces higher insulin levels and obesity. A related means by which taurine improves metabolism is by neutralizing free radicals in pancreatic cells called “beta cells.” Healthy beta cells are essential for gradual and modulated insulin secretion, and they help with glucose injection into cells for energy use. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 NEW TAURINE ANALOGUES IN TREATMENT ... - Springer link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/978-1-4615-1269-1_35.pdf by RC Gupta - 2000 Poster Abstracts. NEW TAURINE ANALOGUES IN TREATMENT. STRATEGIES FORPARKINSON'S DISEASE. R.C. Gupta. Department of Chemistry. Nagaland ... WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
Mixter Posted October 7, 2014 Author Share Posted October 7, 2014 Feeling better, akathisia is reduced a lot but still feel it some days but in lower intensity, I feel hope is good. Will I finally stabilize for all ever ? I hope so. Sleeping very well. at 30 mgs of Citalopram. Link to comment
btdt Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 Glad your better Mix hang in there... how long till they say your lyme disease will be healed do they know? WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted October 8, 2014 Administrator Share Posted October 8, 2014 Good to hear, Mixter. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Mixter Posted December 17, 2014 Author Share Posted December 17, 2014 I am close back "to normal", but now it seems like I am in a kind of withdrawal with some good windows. I dont have akathisia anymore, slowly faded away with time. Instead I have some mild anxious thoughts, and agitation. But its much better than any crazy akathisia, its really a nightmare. Still on 30 mg of Citalopram. Mornings are easier now, evenings a bit harder sometimes. Before, mornings were harder and evenings easier. (vice versa) Strange withdrawal process, no doubt. Stabilization will happen a day. 1 Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Petunia Posted December 18, 2014 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted December 18, 2014 I'm happy to hear your akathisia finally went away, that will give hope to others who are also struggling with it. I'm sorry you have been dealing with this for such a long time, I just read through your thread. It would be helpful if you would put a short version of your history in your signature, it helps people to understand your situation when reading your posts, here is how you do it: http://survivinganti...your-signature/ When you stabilize on 30mg of Citalopram, are you planning on tapering off, or will you stay on it? It sounds like you are doing much better now, after everything you have been through, you deserve it. I'm not a doctor. My comments are not medical advise. These are my opinions based on my own experience and what I've learned. Please discuss your situation with a medical practitioner who has knowledge of tapering and withdrawal...if you are lucky enough to find one. My Introduction Thread Full Drug and Withdrawal History Brief Summary Several SSRIs for 13 years starting 1997 (for mild to moderate partly situational anxiety) Xanax PRN ~ Various other drugs over the years for side effects 2 month 'taper' off Lexapro 2010 Short acute withdrawal, followed by 2 -3 months of improvement then delayed protracted withdrawal DX ADHD followed by several years of stimulants and other drugs trying to manage increasing symptoms Failed reinstatement of Lexapro and trial of Prozac (became suicidal) May 2013 Found SA, learned about withdrawal, stopped taking drugs...healing begins. Protracted withdrawal, with a very sensitized nervous system, slowly recovering as time passes Supplements which have helped: Vitamin C, Magnesium, Taurine Bad reactions: Many supplements but mostly fish oil and Vitamin D June 2016 - Started daily juicing, mostly vegetables and lots of greens. Aug 2016 - Oct 2016 Best window ever, felt almost completely recovered Oct 2016 -Symptoms returned - bad days and less bad days. April 2018 - No windows, but significant improvement, it feels like permanent full recovery is close. VIDEO: Where did the chemical imbalance theory come from? VIDEO: How are psychiatric diagnoses made? VIDEO: Why do psychiatric drugs have withdrawal syndromes? VIDEO: Can psychiatric drugs cause long-lasting negative effects? VIDEO: Dr. Claire Weekes Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Songbird Posted December 18, 2014 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted December 18, 2014 Hi Mixter, great to hear you are feeling close to normal now. 2001–2002 paroxetine 2003 citalopram 2004-2008 paroxetine (various failed tapers) 2008 paroxetine slow taper down to 2016 Aug off paroxetine2016 citalopram May 20mg Oct 15mg … slow taper down2018 citalopram 13 Feb 4.6mg 15 Mar 4.4mg 29 Apr 4.2mg 6 Jul 4.1mg 17 Aug 4.0mg 18 Nov 3.8mg 2019 15 Mar 3.6mg 21 May 3.4mg 26 Dec 3.2mg 2020 19 Feb 3.0mg 19 Jul 2.9mg 16 Sep 2.8mg 25 Oct 2.7mg 23 Oct 2.6mg 24 Dec 2.5mg 2021 29 Aug 2.4mg 15 Nov 2.3mg Link to comment
WinningThrough Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 I am close back "to normal", but now it seems like I am in a kind of withdrawal with some good windows. I dont have akathisia anymore, slowly faded away with time. Instead I have some mild anxious thoughts, and agitation. But its much better than any crazy akathisia, its really a nightmare. Still on 30 mg of Citalopram. Mornings are easier now, evenings a bit harder sometimes. Before, mornings were harder and evenings easier. (vice versa) Strange withdrawal process, no doubt. Stabilization will happen a day. Hi Mixter. I haven't read through your whole thread but I've just read that your akathisia went away! I'm so glad! Thank goodness. I have to admit that selfishly, I'm not only glad for you, I'm glad for me too because it gives me hope that mine might go. The only way out is through. Aug 2013 - Augmentin leading to akathisia Sept-Nov 2013 - Citalopram 20mg, severe reaction, off at 5mg. Valium 4mg, prn Oct 2013 - 5 zopiclone tablets, 7.5mg End Nov 2013-end Feb 2014, Seroquel, top dose 150mg, off at 25mg End Nov 2013-early march 2014, Zoloft 100mg top dose, off at 25mg End Dec-2013-early April 2014, lorazepam 1mg prn April 3rd 2014 zoloft 5mg for a few days. 18/4/14 - zoloft, 1mg. Came off at 0.35 mg,14th June 2014 29 June 2014 - 1mg lorazepam, last ever 29 June 2014 - med free Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted February 24, 2015 Administrator Share Posted February 24, 2015 Very happy to hear you're doing better. I added our cheerful "here comes the sun" symbol ☼ to the title of your Intro topic, to show you're recovering. Please continue to let us know how you're doing. I hope you will add your story to our Recovery Success Stories eventually! This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus JanCarol Posted July 21, 2015 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted July 21, 2015 Hey Mix, what a long, strange trip it's been! And you seem to have such a peaceful view, even when things are difficult! So after all these years, do you think the Lyme is gone? If you still feel you are detoxing, you might consider an infrared heat lamp. I got one from ebay for about $40, they are made in Germany by Philips (InfraPhil) with the red bulb. When I shine it on my skin, I can feel it "burning off" infections and toxins. But it's been too cold to use (I hate taking my clothes off when it's cold! TMI! ) Of course, you are in Sweden, do you have access to a sauna? I've wondered how much sauna therapy would help in withdrawal. Temperature regulation might be an issue for people in dysregulation, but it might be soothing for others. I have to drive a long way to get a sauna, so I got the infrared lamp. I have a friend in USA who is being treated for Lyme, because she's had chronic fatigue for decades. She doesn't have any of the things you described about the spirochetes, and the assay came back negative for Lyme antibodies. "Zero, zilch, nil, none" but her doctor is treating her for Lyme anyway. She is so sick from the antibiotics. Anyhow, I will echo Petunia's question: do you intend to taper further, once you "have a good year" or so? Gosh, it's been so long since you've "had a good week," I can imagine you might want to wait a long while before tapering again! I hope you see the Sun today. "Easy, easy - just go easy and you'll finish." - Hawaiian Kapuna Holding is hard work, holding is a blessing. Give your brain time to heal before you try again. My suggestions are not medical advice, you are in charge of your own medical choices. A lifetime of being prescribed antidepressants that caused problems (30 years in total). At age 35 flipped to "bipolar," but was not diagnosed for 5 years. Started my journey in Midwest United States. Crossed the Pacific for love and hope; currently living in Australia. CT Seroquel 25 mg some time in 2013. Tapered Reboxetine 4 mg Oct 2013 to Sept 2014 = GONE (3 years on Reboxetine). Tapered Lithium 900 to 475 MG (alternating with the SNRI) Jan 2014 - Nov 2014, tapered Lithium 475 mg Jan 2015 - Feb 2016 = GONE (10 years on Lithium). Many mistakes in dry cutting dosages were made. The tedious thread (my intro): JanCarol ☼ Reboxetine first, then Lithium The happy thread (my success story): JanCarol - Undiagnosed Off all bipolar drugs My own blog: https://shamanexplorations.com/shamans-blog/ I have been psych drug FREE since 1 Feb 2016! Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted September 25, 2015 Administrator Share Posted September 25, 2015 Hi, MIxter. How are you doing? I saw you mention LDN in the hypothyroid topic. What was your experience with LDN? This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
kirby Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 (edited) Hey! This forum is really compelling to me! Around 11 years ago, I was in a wooded area with short pants (too young to understand implications). After that day, two days later I got a bullseye shaped rash on my leg! A few days after that, the rash expanded and then vanished. Then, I suddenly started to become interested in learning (was never that into learning before), my personality kind of shifted (somehow everybody said that to me I never noticed and I lost all the rest of my friends), and two years later I got sparkly flashy vision (which still is here today). Also, I started to get excessive phlegm that I have to get rid of or else it clogs up my throat or swallowing would make me feel sick. These might have just been other factors of my life, but I wish I could rule out anything else for sure. Then there's how I got onto these medications: just a year and a half ago, after a time of relative stress (both mentally and physical with intense digestive problems I already had and a fever, which was probably caused lack of sleep while cleaning the garage for 3 weeks), I decided to write notes to "suffering people from the past" (people I use to knows' social media who I thought were unhappy inside) online trying to make them feel better. After being blocked by a lot of them, I started to feel like the police were after me because of how awful I made them feel, and physically started wanting to run because I felt like I had too much energy. My temperature went up, I started feeling intense fear that at any moment my life could end. In my half-nuts state, I remember one day in the morning I saw that bullseye rash on my leg again, and it felt really hot and infected. I decided the only way to be safe was to go to the hospital to check a benign chest tumor (which I had recently been reminded to check by the doctor), when my bizarre behavior landed me into the hospital (mind). Could this have been partially influenced by lyme? I talked to my physician (much later after started withdrawal), but they said "lyme is an acute disease" . I feel frustrated but also afraid to talk to the doctors because it might get brushed off more. They did test me for lyme in the hospital, and I had 2 test done which could have meant something, but they never gave me the results. I eat lots of genuine chinese food so maybe that has suppressed the disease to some extent (lots of herbs). Also, something today is that I keep thinking about someone I had a crush on over 5 years ago that I never talked to (grew up in same schools). I am conscious it is an unrealistic image and try to keep my mind off it, but also maybe it means there's something in my life that I am not tending to. Maybe it is to fill a feeling of loneliness after my many life changes, but maybe I am physically unhealthy? I have had kidney problems for a while (need to use restroom when bladder is almost empty) and also had experience bladder leakage recently, and I am in my twenties. I know I sound like I am nuts right now, but please bear with me - my personality is kind of sparkly. I am often told I talk unappealingly, and maybe write that way too. But, I'm trying my best for my health, and after when I've been through realize the significance of communication and charity of the mind, which is why I want to share everything even though it might backfire on me one day. Edited February 7, 2019 by kirby Remove detail to make shorter My medications were short-timed and low-dosed, but still affected my life a lot; all this is in 2017. June 21 - June 28 (inpatient) - 300 mg lithium June 6 - July 14 (inpatient then outpatient) - 10 mg zyprexa July 14 - July 17 (outpatient try taper) - 7.5 mg zyprexa July 18 - July 21 (outpatient doctor changed) - 10 mg zyprexa July 21 - July 24 (outpatient doctor said got worse) - 15 mg zyprexa July 25 - now (quit ct with family supervision) - nothing I quit ct and was successful, but there were tons of symptoms and without my family support probably impossible. My situation was fortunate, and maybe if I tapered there would be less symptoms. But I feel what worked was a will to keep going, patience, and attitude to want to get better in any situation ct or tapering. Link to comment
kirby Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 Update: After reading brassmonkey's emotional spiral article, I think that I will benefit more from caring for my emotions right now then thinking about potentially lyme or whatnot. As long as I am feeling fit enough to go on, I think I'll just try and have positive trains of thoughts. Here's a link to the article: I'm always learning! My medications were short-timed and low-dosed, but still affected my life a lot; all this is in 2017. June 21 - June 28 (inpatient) - 300 mg lithium June 6 - July 14 (inpatient then outpatient) - 10 mg zyprexa July 14 - July 17 (outpatient try taper) - 7.5 mg zyprexa July 18 - July 21 (outpatient doctor changed) - 10 mg zyprexa July 21 - July 24 (outpatient doctor said got worse) - 15 mg zyprexa July 25 - now (quit ct with family supervision) - nothing I quit ct and was successful, but there were tons of symptoms and without my family support probably impossible. My situation was fortunate, and maybe if I tapered there would be less symptoms. But I feel what worked was a will to keep going, patience, and attitude to want to get better in any situation ct or tapering. Link to comment
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