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Don't waste your money on these supplements

 

No recommendations for commercial programs to assist withdrawal...

 


 

Is there anyone out there that has tried the True Hope program? Has anyone had success on it and what were your experiences? I am currently on it but went off the drugs much too quickly.

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alexjuice

I've never heard of it.

 

As a rule, supplement programs designed to alleviate withdrawal symptoms are a lousy choice. Firstly, anxiety/depression or withdrawal are personal. There arent onesize solutions. Secondly, there aren't really simple solutions period. Thirdly, while I no nothing of this operation, marking up supplements and promoting them as distress-relieving to highly distressed people is a sort of despicable business if the marked supplements don't solve the distress problem.

 

Fourthly, no prepackaged supp program that I know of effectively and broadly solves the distress problem.

 

Fifthly, I rarely start my sentences in this numerically adverbial fashion. It's probably in poor stylistic taste.

 

I'm sorry to be negative about the True Hope thing, but this has been my experience.

 

 

Alex

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Altostrata

Sorry, we don't recommend TrueHope or any other supplement program for withdrawal.

 

What we've found is the supplements may or may not work for an individual and can be purchased one by one elsewhere at a lower price, which is a safer way to try them.

 

If this or any other supplement program worked, I would send everyone to that program and close up this site.

 

Please see our policy here http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1371-no-recommendations-for-commercial-programs-to-assist-withdrawal

 

and about TrueHope products http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1368-truehopes-empowerplus-vs-an-ordinary-multivitamin

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Mobc1990

Which supplement should i use to aid my withdrawal of 5mg Abilify,i used to take 10mg of Abilify for 4 years for my schizophrenia,then reduced to 5mg,i still feel bad and i decided to reduce the abilify on my own and i am taking 2.5mg and doing fine,less tired and mentally abit cleaer...i seen on website that people used programmes for antidepressant or antispcyhotic withdrawal i wonder which of these 3 programme/supplement should i use or i can just buy some general vitamins like vitamin b3/b6,zinc to aid my withdrawal?

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Edted

Dear Mobc1990:

Glad you found this site. You might find some worthwhile information in my intro. My son is currently withdrawing from Abilify. He's had plenty of unsuccessful attempts at withdrawal, but using the general guidelines of this site, it seems to be going very well so far.

 

By general guidelines I mean that he's going very slowly (he doesn't exceed 5% taper <some people are doing well with 10%>, reinstating if things get rocky at a point midway between old and new dose, and taking good care if himself (diet <definitely avoiding sugar and alcohol>, sleep, mild exercise and yoga).

 

He tried Theroadback with poor results (hospitalization). My opinion, for what it's worth, is that supplementation programs are not the way to go. You will find people here who have found benefits to small doses of some supplements (fish oil and magnesium), but programs seem to favor larger amounts of many vitamins and minerals. The programs do not seem to appreciate how sensitized people's systems become on meds, or the tremendous differences between individuals.

 

In addition to a slow taper and healthy lifestyle, my son is working hard to understand what brings about extreme mental states. Beyond withdrawal effects, he is learning what brought him to take meds in the first place (hint: it ain't chemical imbalance or mental disease).

 

You may find value in reading (he also has youtubes) Rufus May.

 

Be well,

Ed

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Altostrata

Mobc, we do not recommend any of those programs. There are a number of topics discussing them, but our policy is summed up here http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1371-no-recommendations-for-commercial-programs-to-assist-withdrawal/

 

The best way to minimize withdrawal symptoms and assure safely quitting a psychiatric drug is systematic tapering. See this topic about tapering Abilify http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1896-tips-for-tapering-off-abilify-aripiprazole/

 

Please see our Symptoms and Self-care forum for suggestions of non-drug ways and supplements to help with withdrawal symptoms

 

Please start a topic for yourself in our Introductions forum so we can get to know you and you can journal your progress.

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drummerseve

Has anyone read The Road Back: How to get off psychoactive drugs safely? By James Harper? He speaks of a high success rate with his methods. I just started it. Sounds interesting. Hes supposedly helped thousands of people and has been involved and researching, building a team and putting all the info to use now for almost 15 yrs. Hes updated it as he finds out what works better as the yrs go by. The science and knowledge is always improving. Its got everything from progress charts to nutrition and tapering with single and multiple meds. The book is on amazon but if u go to the site the pdf is free. Im reading it right now. Figure its worth a shot. The address is www.theroadback.org. Check it out and lemme know what u think.

Had anyone read The Road Back: How to get off psychoactive drugs safely? By James Harper? He speaks of a high success rate with his methods. I just started it. Sounds interesting. Hes supposedly helped thousands of people and has been involved and researching, building a team and putting all the info to use now for almost 15 yrs. Hes updated it as he finds out what works better as the yrs go by. The science and knowledge is always improving. Its got everything from progress charts to nutrition and tapering with single and multiple meds. The book is on amazon but if u go to the site the pdf is free. Im reading it right now. Figure its worth a shot. The address is www.theroadback.org. Check it out and lemme know what u think.

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cymbaltawithdrawal5600

Check it out and lemme know what u think.

 

 

It is a great idea to use search before posting a topic, often you will find it has already been covered here.

 

QUOTE:

 

Posted 28 October 2011 - 09:04 PM

 

There are a number of commercial programs that say they will help with withdrawal. They usually sell ordinary supplements that are relabeled and marked up so they are quite expensive.

 

I've looked closely at each of these programs and I do not feel I can recommend any of them. If I found a program I believed gave better advice than this site and provided truly effective supplements worth their cost, I would happily send everyone there and close up SurvivingAntidepressants.org.

 

But so far, what I've found is these programs are overpriced and the tapering advice is no better informed than the advice you'll find here, and sometimes dangerously misleading.

 

In some cases, supplements are recommended that may exacerbate withdrawal symptoms in sensitive nervous systems.

 

Where these programs provide scientific papers to support their claims, I have found they provide no basis for purchasing that specific program. In some cases, the pseudo-scientific explanations are nonsensical.

 

Each person makes his or her own decisions. For these programs, I say, buyer beware:

 

- TrueHope and EmpowerPlus an ordinary multivitamin, repackaged, plus relabeled and overpriced supplements

 

- NutraTek (another venture of David Hardy, former president of TrueHope)

 

- Point of Return and Label Me Sane (relabeled and overpriced supplements)

 

- The Road Back and TRB Health (relabeled and overpriced supplements)

 

- The Amen Clinics, popularized by Dr. Daniel Amen, discussion here and here. The brain scans are very expensive, add radiation risk, and are not valid in diagnosis.

 

- Neuroscience neurotransmitter testing and supplements. Often prescribed by naturopaths and quite expensive, the neurotransmitter testing is invalid. See Dr. Andrew Weil on this type of testing. Results from Neuroscience testing are accompanied by recommendations for their expensive proprietary supplements, which are supposed to address the imbalances found in the testing.

 

- Any treatment that purports to balance neurotransmitters. Some "alternative" treatments are based on balancing neurotransmitters. The "chemical imbalance" theory is a fallacy in "alternative" treatments as much as it is in medicine.

 

If you are participating in these programs and like their products, you are welcome to participate here as well, and we will support your taper. However, if you wish to publicly discuss these programs with others, please go to the sites run by their respective companies.

 

You are free to discuss individual supplements, such as whey protein isolate, in our Symptoms and Self-care forum, where we have topics about herbs, supplements, alternative treatments, and psychotherapeutic techniques to aid withdrawal.

 

SurvivingAntidepressants.org is as skeptical of alternative remedies as any other treatment for withdrawal syndrome. Every "alternative" treatment for depression or mood or whatever, such as orthomolecular medicine, presumes you have a normal, intact nervous system.

 

"Alternative" treatments for depression do not account for nervous systems sensitized by withdrawal. Whatever claims they make for dramatic results are based on people who have relatively normal tolerances.

 

Psychiatric drug withdrawal syndrome cannot be treated, with drugs or with alternative remedies, as though it were a relapse of normal depression or a so-called mood disorder. It is something else entirely, usually autonomic dysfunction.

 

If I find I can recommend any alternative treatments, I will, and I will encourage discussion about them.

 

Note: Chelation is irrelevant in treating withdrawal syndrome. It was developed to treat heavy metal poisoning. If you have withdrawal symptoms, heavy metal poisoning is not your main problem. Liver cleansing is unnecessary and stressful. If you have withdrawal symptoms, they are not due to the presence of the drug in your body, they are due to its absence.

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In wd, especially acute wd. supplements can often cause very unpredictable and unwanted reactions in sensitized people. Worst are the ones containing more than one compound because how will you know what you may be reacting to? That is just another reason we don't recommend them. You are, however free to try them and report on your results but be mindful about what Alto has said above. We just cannot recommend them and we suggest you do not either.

 

As an fyi, I found SA primarily because I had purchased over $300 worth of stuff from TRB, just put the order in, and for some reason did a google search and found this very post, back in 2012. It convinced me me so much that cancelled my order and stayed here. I could ill afford that purchase anyway and it could have made me feel much worse than I already was.

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drummerseve

Its funny u say that because i was just reading through it, i had just started the book, and step 4 was "purchase supplements" and i thought no wonder the book is free. Its too good to be true. Its a scam. Sorry for posting about it. Thought id look into it but i completely agree with u. Im with you on the chemical imbalance bs. I never believed that from the day i started ssris. Just seemed like an easy answer and excuse to push the med even harder.

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Altostrata

I gave up and made a topic for this.

 

We do not recommend The Road Back or their package of supplements.

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drummerseve

Sounds good. I read about 6 pages in and realized it was too good to be true when they said to purchase supplements.

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cymbaltawithdrawal5600

I gave up and made a topic for this.

 

 

(lol) Good thing I read this or I'd have merged it..... :)

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luv2knit

Before I discovered Surviving Antidepressants, I discovered The Road Back. My withdrawal symptoms were just beginning at that point. I purchased the book and supplements, and before I even completed the first day of the supplements, I knew I had made a huge mistake. About 4:00 in the afternoon of the first day, my symptoms ramped up really bad! I was already sceptical that the whole program was designed just to sell supplements... So, yes... I have to say a scam! I was desperate, and this is what they are counting on.

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drummerseve

Before I discovered Surviving Antidepressants, I discovered The Road Back. My withdrawal symptoms were just beginning at that point. I purchased the book and supplements, and before I even completed the first day of the supplements, I knew I had made a huge mistake. About 4:00 in the afternoon of the first day, my symptoms ramped up really bad! I was already sceptical that the whole program was designed just to sell supplements... So, yes... I have to say a scam! I was desperate, and this is what they are counting on.[/quote

 

Its usually how it works, right? They know people are desperate and will do anything to feel better and they feed off of that. Its disgusting.

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luv2knit

Exactly, DS. I knew it was a risk. Fortunately, it only set me back a few days.

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julianfrancois

Is there anyone who has tried the road back recovery program? im looking for some honest reviews. it looks kinda like a scam but the when you're desperate your desperate. the program centers around the supplement JNK.  heres the link 

 

http://www.theroadback.org/trbprogram.aspx

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cymbaltawithdrawal5600

merged similar topics

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ActivistScientist

I tried the Road Back supplements out of desperation when my Lyrica tapering was too abrupt and i had severe withdrawal and after taking them for just three or four days, I paid a heavy price. I wish I had discovered SA before I bought them. My tummy would start gurgling at 4 am and I had to eat every hour as I felt that my stomach was empty. I went from being able to eat anything I wanted to having serious restrictions now on what I could tolerate - and I would never recommend that anybody especially with a sensitive gut take these supplements.

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Prestorb

Yep, me too, back in 2009 when I CTd Lexapro - agree, a scam.

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leahy

Me too. I read The Road Back 6 times AND purchased supplements. Total scam. That was before I found SA. The good news is it did get me started in the right direction - tapering. Yes, I was desperate too. There's a huge learning curve here for us and I for one found it very difficult to maneuver. Must be the foggy head I've been carrying around for 17 years. I forgot that I started with xanax 2 years before Remeron. Long time on meds. I hope I get my mental capacity back.

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luv2knit

Yes--Total scam. I purchased the supplements and book (and later found where I could get the book for free). Reacted to the supplements halfway through the first day!! Not only that, but they said it was not recommended to reinstate if you had been off more than a week. It had been about a month for me. I probably would have had a chance of reinstating at that point. By the time I found SA, though, it was that much longer, and I felt like it would be too risky.

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Altostrata

About current supplements from The Road Back:
 
A company called Neuro Genetic Solutions, based in Belleair Bluffs, Florida, manufactures all The Road Back's supplements. Its president is Jim Harper, owner of The Road Back.

 

Jim Harper, of The Road Back, vigorously recommends the purchase of supplements from a company he owns. Conflict of interest?

 

I have read much of The Road Back's sciencey-sounding literature about the recipes for its supplements. From what I can see, it is all hogwash designed to snare the gullible.

 

Curiously, one must look at the labels for the supplements on a site such as Amazon to find exactly what's in the capsules, because the Neuro Genetic Solutions site discusses them in only general terms. If a supplement maker will not divulge the ingredients in a supplement, do not purchase the supplement. They are being sneaky.
 
- Omega 3 Supreme TG is nothing but an ordinary -- but extremely overpriced -- omega-3 fish oil supplement. (Fish oil capsules of this type should cost about US$ 0.10 per capsule.)

- Neuro Mini Endure is an extremely overpriced supplement containing a "proprietary" blend of Acetyl L-Carnitine (ALC), Bacopa Monnieri, N-Acetyl Cysteine (NAC) and L-Glutamine -- mostly common amino acids that should be tried separately, and at much lower cost, because you could have a bad reaction to any one of them.

- Body Calm Supreme Nighttime Relief Melatonin Free is an extremely overpriced supplement containing a "proprietary" blend of GABA, L-Theanine, Montmorency Tart Cherry, and Passion Flower, all of which should be tried separately, and at much lower cost, because you could have a bad reaction to any one of them.
 
- Optimum Solace is an extremely overpriced supplement containing 15mg saffron (an herb) with 200mcg of Quatrefolic folate (this is the absorbable type for MTHFR mutations). Some people find folate activating -- causing nervousness, anxiety, insomnia. These are two substances that should be tried separately, and at much lower cost.
 
- JNK Capsules contain a bunch of things you might find in an ordinary multivitamin with minerals -- each of which should be tried separately, and at much lower cost, because you could have a bad reaction to any one of them.

 

 

Looking at the nonsensical detail in this stuff puts me in a bad mood. I don't want to ever have to research any The Road Back supplements again. If I were you or any consumer, I'd take this information as an indication that you are being scammed.

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Kay

I found a new site last night, theroadback.org, that looks interesting in that it lists an entire book on getting off psycho drugs. Supplements to take, testimonials showing success. I'm just checking into it, learning more about it. Thanks.

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Altostrata

Please use search in the Symptoms forum before starting a new topic. Thank you.

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Ziggy

Has anyone successfully used this program and suggested supplements to discontinue SSRI's? I am skeptical but desperate for anything that will minimize withdrawls. Do you like this program? Seem like a scam? Would like to know your thoughts/experiences. Info was obtained at www.theroadback.org.

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Ziggy

Thank you for the link to this thread. I'm still new to this site but I'm learning that if I search, chances are there's already a post about it lol. My brain is still in a big fog trying to adjust to reinstatement of lexapro and I've been quite loopy lately.

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Alia02

Hi Ziggy,

This is a much better site and the intent here, is to help..not make money. There's lots to browse through here. If you are feeling something , there will be someone similar here. Loads of great info. But I understand the brain fog. Its not easy. :)

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rapunzel2

I'm very confused right now, because I don't understand, can I answer the question asked in the first post or not. As the question is here, I'm still answering it.

 

I'm taking Hardynutritionals Daily Essential Nutrients, this is basically the same as Truehope Empowerplus. I feel that it has helped me greatly. But it has taken time and secondly, it hasn't taken away withdrawal symptoms, I still get those. But my overall mental health has increased tremendously and therefore I also think that withdrawal is easier. For example, I don't remember anymore how is it like to feel overwhelming, deep depression - I don't get it anymore. When I make a cut in my meds, I do feel depressed, but it feels like a normal, human depression, low mood, irritability. not out of this world, deep, paralyzing depression.

 

I do believe though that starting this supplement can be difficult when a person is in withdrawal. It does interfere with meds - it is said that it increases the potential of meds. and people can be oversensitive to vitamins. at the same time I believe that those micronutrients can start to heal the brain when taken long term. I started to feel their effect in 3 months in, and they have improved my health during 2,5 years, it still gets better. I used to feel very lonely and cut off the world, it was like a personality part of me already, struggled with this for 10 years. the vitamins just took it away.

 

I must say that at the same time I started vitamins, I also started gluten-free-casein-free diet and I have no way of knowing which has helped me more. deep down in my gut it feels though, that vitamins are doing much more.

 

I also must say that I have been slow and cautious with withdrawing. during 2,5 years I have gone down from 40mg prozac to 9mg, and from 50mg quetiapine to 15mg. I estimate another 1,5-2 years. but it's definitely not possible that only withdrawing has made my mental health so much better. 

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Altostrata

It's possible that it was time passing, rather than Hardynutritionals Daily Essential Nutrients, that made you feel better.

 

We do not recommend any supplement program promoted to make withdrawal easier. Supplements cannot substitute for careful tapering to minimize withdrawal symptoms.

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KarenB

And for another perspective, my 'mental health' has improved out of sight since I began careful tapering.  No supplement programs needed, in my case anyway. 

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rapunzel2

It's possible that it was time passing, rather than Hardynutritionals Daily Essential Nutrients, that made you feel better.

 

 

 

Definitely not possible. the changes have been huge, and nothing I've ever experienced with other means. 

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rapunzel2

And for another perspective, my 'mental health' has improved out of sight since I began careful tapering.  No supplement programs needed, in my case anyway. 

good :)

 

in my case, this can't be the culprit (although yes, being on less meds makes me much better). I was put on double dosage of the meds after bad withdrawal crash in 2012. I started tapering in 2013, and also supplements and diet. I had improved a lot by the time I was back on original dosage, not less. 

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