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Nikki

You said you are feeling better mood-wise, and that is such a good sign ;)

 

A good mood is heaven sent after WD....congrats

 

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Romido

I am definitely getting better, but some things are just hanging on for a long time. I think the twitchyness is gone for now, which is great. I really looked like I had Parkinson's starting in my hands for a little bit. Very scary. I have enjoyed having a week off, got to have no alarm clock for a week, and play with my two young kids, which has been good for all of us. I loaded up on vitamin D the natural way - I have a v- neck t-shirt tan! :P

 

Overall I do feel much improved over last October when in full blown hell, but still have sensitivity to flourescent lights. There is something about them that still makes my head feel wooshy and detached, but it doesn't send me into fear and panic anymore. My sleep is still not quite right on a regular basis, but occasionally I get a night with no wake ups. I took a kid-size dose of pediatric Claritin ( 1/2 adult dose) yesterday and sleep was bad last night, but I am not tired today. Some nights sleep is lousy, but I manage to get enough that I am okay. I skipped the Claritin today and thankfully my head didn't fill back up. I am so sensitive to everything, it kind of amazes me.

 

Next week it's back to work & school for kids. My flourescent lit cell is what it feels like. I have a big project kicking off, lots of stress coming, I feel better and stronger, but not fully back quite yet. Time off always does me good, I just hope I can get the good feeling to hold on longer once the stress comes back.

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Altostrata

Fluorescent lights have a subtle fast flicker that irritates a lot of people. They also have an unnatural blue cast and maybe hum. Sometimes even normal people get headaches from them.

 

You may be able to replace the strip with a "natural light" fluorescent that has less flicker. Or, if it's right over your cube, ask that it be turned off or removed and put a lamp on your desk with a natural light bulb.

 

Another tack might be to wear tinted glasses under those lights, to reduce the stimulation.

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Romido

I have tried to cut down the amount of light I have to have on, luckily I have an office so I keep only half of the lights on, and open my blinds for more natural light. I also turned down the brightness on my monitor by about half, it was noticeably darker at first, but I think it helps a bit. There is just something about flourescent lit environments that is so noticeable to me, some days I can be feeling pretty good, but a trip to the supermarket or big box store brings back the bad feelings as soon as I walk in the door. Its like an on/off switch to me, very noticeable. When that neutralizes, then I will really know I have healed a lot.

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Nikki

There is just something about flourescent lit environments that is so noticeable to me, some days I can be feeling pretty good, but a trip to the supermarket or big box store brings back the bad feelings as soon as I walk in the door. Its like an on/off switch to me, very noticeable. When that neutralizes, then I will really know I have healed a lot.

 

Romido I have an issue with lights on in the early morning while it is dark outside. It is an on/off switch which turns to the bad feelings. It is an association for me. When I first had anxiety, I would wake up with anxiety and it was dark outside, and the lights bothered me. I like that you know it will neutralize. That's the way to look at things. :)

 

I look at it in a negative way...."Oh no this will never end"..."Oh no it's dark out and I have to put lights on and this will make me feel anxious."

 

Need to change that self talk.

 

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Romido

I look at this whole experience as a passing thing, it is just taking a long time to pass! I only took Sam-e for about 3 months, I have been in this withdrawal state for more than six. Some things have already neutralized, like the morning anxiety and daytime panic attacks. Other things are taking longer but I keep hope that they will, eventually. The good windows show us that our old selves are still there. There was a time when I felt like someone put something in my drink or had poisoned me. Now I see more that I am still in this foggy brain underneath this bad feeling.

 

I have small children too, four and six years old. Being their mom is what keeps me getting up each day throughout this painfully horrific experience. I must be there for them, so I know what you are feeling. Hugs to you too!!

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Nadia

I have noticed that as soon as my anxiety abates and I start sleeping better, I'm also susceptible to getting sick. This happened the month that I was doing really well. I got a sore throat and I took it as a good sign that my cortisol was probably lower!

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ajnjj

Are there any safe allergy it decongestant meds? I'm a mess! I have searched the boards, I see zyrtec is not safe v

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Skyler

Are there any safe allergy it decongestant meds? I'm a mess! I have searched the boards, I see zyrtec is not safe v

 

Safe in what way.. I can't take anything remotely resembling an antihistamine because they increase my RLS to the point they are intolerable.. unless I dose myself heavily with requip, so anything in this drug class is not safe.

 

 

I need to add to my sig.. I'm on .25 to .5 mgs requip @ hs, and probably will always be on prn, but hopefully not dosing nightly after I finish tapering all this crap.

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Jemima

The only decongestant I know of that doesn't contain a stimulant is Mucinex or Muciniex DM. Anything else sends me up the wall.

 

I occasionally take an anthistamine tablet when my allergies get uber bad, but just the plain cheap kind with no other ingredients such as decongestants or acetaminophen. I tried Allegra a few months ago and it made me sick to my stomach and sleepy. I used to take the generic, prescription kind which didn't bother me at all, although I'm not so sure that would be the case now.

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ajnjj

Oh great. I have awful seasonal allergies and I can't take anything!!!! Oh the aggravation of these ******* drugs. Today is a day I feel like throwing in the towel.

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Altostrata

I combined the antihistamine topics so everything is in one place.

 

 

I have springtime allergies, too.

 

I use Pataday eyedrops for itchy eyes and fluticasone (Flonase) nasal spray.

 

I'd avoid taking an antihistamine if you have withdrawal symptoms. They affect the histamine receptors http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histamine_receptor , which may be involved in withdrawal syndrome.

 

Saline rinses (use sterilized water!) can reduce nasal symptoms.

 

How did you come to the conclusion that histamine receptors are involved in withdrawal syndrome? I'm not a scientist, so I'm having trouble getting from the Wikipedia article to there. I'm aware that some ADs, such as Lexapro, cause sinus congestion, and that just being in withdrawal aggravates whatever medical problems a person may have, but that's about all.

 

Look at the Wiki page, and the table.

 

H1 receptor (this is what most antihistamines act on): modulate circadian cycle

 

See http://www.cnsforum.com/imagebank/item/antidep_receptor_spec/default.aspx (Lundbeck)

The side effects produced by many of the antidepressant drugs arise from their ability to block muscarinic cholinergic receptors, H1 histamine receptors and α1-adrenergic receptors.

Potency of antidepressants to block H1 histamine receptors

97_antidep_histamine_lundbeck.png

The usual suspects fluoxetine (Prozac), fluvoxamine (Luvox), paroxetine (Paxil), sertraline (Zoloft), and venlafaxine (Effexor) are the worst.

 

H3 receptor: Neurotransmitter in CNS

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ajnjj

this is great info . i will not be trying an anthistamine yet i will try flonase fist. Alto- do you have any problems with it?

And thanks for combining topics!!!

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Altostrata

No, I don't have any problems with Flonase. I use it sparingly and only when my allergies are bad -- spring and fall.

 

It can take a couple of days to work, although I know someone who uses it only once in a while and does fine.

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lundeliz

I'm really confused. I've read many times that Benadryl (an antihistamine, right?) helps a lot

 

of people during withdrawal. So I thought other antihistamines might help also. What am I missing

 

here?

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Altostrata

Benadryl can help with sleep. The newer antihistamines aren't supposed to make you feel sleepy.

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ajnjj

So mucinex is ok? What about a decongestant?

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ajnjj

Howvabout dramamine or meclizune for dizziness

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Altostrata

Look them up on drugs.com. If they are antihistamines, they're in the same class.

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soledad88

I've read recently articles saying that some classes of antidepressants affect immunity. More specifically I found information that was mentionning celexa. I was on this

drug before and never got what is considered a normal dose because of the side effects, mostly sleepiness. I need to go back on antidepressants for a while because

I have an out of control anxiety and I haven't found any other way to get rid of it (I'm restricted in my physical exercise as well). But I need to make sure the Celexa

wouldn't boost my immune system because it's already too sensitive and I have lots of allergies.. Did anyone read about the topic?

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Barbarannamated

Hi Soledad.

 

I was recently diagnosed with several autoimmune diseases and am only learning about the effect of SSRIs on the immune system. I don't feel qualified to comment except to say you are very wise to consider this prior to starting any SSRI. My understanding is that once the immune system is triggered into autoimmunity, there is no reversing the attack on the body.

 

I advise avoiding SS/NRIs unless it is a life-threatening situation.

 

The article and thread below may offer some info until an administrator checks in with more specific guidance.

 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/2758-ssri-antidepressants-may-also-effect-human-immune-system/page__fromsearch__1

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Alabama

Hi all,

 

Its summer time down here in new Zealand and I'm struggling with really bad hay fever. At times feels like the flu. I have had it in the past but not this bad.

 

Anyway was just interested to hear people's thoughts on taking antihistamines such as Claritin etc.

 

I had a adverse reaction 6 months ago and have still not fully recovered. I have seen continual improvement where I have a wave and then stablize with improvement. Since the reaction I haven't takin any other medication as so worried about how my senstive system will respond but this hay fever is really making daily life tough.

 

Any thoughts would be great.

 

Thanks

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compsports

Hi Alabama,

 

Can you try another antihistamine to see if it would be better?  Also, are there natural remedies that you could take as an option?  Might want to do a google search.

 

I really feel for you as I think if I took one, it might helpful too. But like you, I worry about the adverse reactions.

 

Best of luck.

 

CS

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Altostrata

Rather than taking an antihistamine, which affects the same family of receptors that antidepressants target, the H or histamine receptors, you may wish to try

  • rinsing your nose out with saline (there are injectors from the pharmacy for this; some people like neti pots)
  • using a nasal inhaler such as fluticasone (a steroid not devoid of side effects, use sparingly)  See quote below:

 

On 3/16/2012 at 10:26 AM, Altostrata said:

I use Pataday eyedrops for itchy eyes and fluticasone (Flonase) nasal spray.

 

UPDATE: Since 2012, I've changed to ketotifen eye drops and azelastine nasal spray -- they are non-steroidal. Steroidal drops and sprays can advance cataracts or glaucoma.

 

 

Edited by ChessieCat
updated info

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cymbaltawithdrawal5600

 

Rather than taking an antihistamine, which affects the same family of receptors that antidepressants target

 

Ooops, I wish I had known this when my eye swelled up a month ago. Probably what set off this wave which is slowly improving. Or it was starting for some other reason and the hydroxyzine the doc told me to take made it worse. Well, that is a lesson learned......

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elbillingino

I take an antihistamine/steroid combination nasal spray, dymista, which consists of fluticasone* and azelastine. I occasionally take fexofenadine (allegra).

 

My allergies are terrible and I had a really bad case of chronic sinusitis for more than 6 months last year. This finally resolved after months of treatment with dymista and fexofenadine.

 

Just how much of a problem is using antihistamines during withdrawal/recovery for those of us with allergies and sinus problems? I know Dr Healy recommends against it.

 

* See quote below:

 

On 3/16/2012 at 10:26 AM, Altostrata said:

I use Pataday eyedrops for itchy eyes and fluticasone (Flonase) nasal spray.

 

UPDATE: Since 2012, I've changed to ketotifen eye drops and azelastine nasal spray -- they are non-steroidal. Steroidal drops and sprays can advance cataracts or glaucoma.

 

Edited by ChessieCat
updated info

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compsports

Hi,

 

Since dealing with sinusitus is horrible, if you found your treatment was not causing problems, I wouldn't worry.

 

CS

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GiaK

actually steroids are a very high risk substance for people in withdrawal...if it's possible to avoid the use of steroids I would do what you can...sensitivities can develop over time. 

 

I in fact developed sensitivities to all antihistamines by the time this was done and didn't have them earlier...

 

using any potentially psychoactive substance (antihistamines and steroids both) is a risk when in withdrawal. 

 

using them cautiously and only when absolutely necessary will allow you to monitor whether or not you develop reactions to them.

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elbillingino

I don't appear to be having any adverse reactions to either the steroids or the antihistamines. As I don't want chronic sinusitis again, I'll probably just carry on.

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Jason

I actually already know the answer to this one. I read both on this site and the other site that this is a relatively common complaint during withdrawal. A vague pressure feeling upon the nose or near the eyes area(s) of the face. Sometimes it can itch, sometimes it is painful, sometimes it (at least for me), feels like formications (the sensation of crawling or something moving about beneath the skin/tissues). I wanted to post this here, though, to elicit and see if anyone else is having this at the moment, or that they remember having this as a symptom? Mine is so bad that I have a "squishy" sound if I squeeze my nose near the bridge of my nose area. Some phlegm will come out of my nose upon blowing either very hard or after I squeeze to make that squishy sound, but it isn't very much and it isn't really phlegm, at least I don't know if it is or not. I don't think this is a specific sinus problem or issue unrelated to withdrawal, since sometimes it is gone. I don't have this all the time, but it's common and frequent enough that it's really got me wondering if others experience it too. Again, I have read that others have so it must be part of this. I'm sure it is somehow neurological related - some kind of issues with nerves not working fully properly in there can give rise to a hose of bizarre symptoms that once nerves regenerate/heal this issue largely goes away. Or at least I hope it does because at times it can be quite debilitating (I can't think/function very well if it is too intense).

 

Thanks

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mammaP

Me too Jason, exactly as you describe it!  I had it long before meds though.  It did clear up

and had no problems for years until I started tapering so I do think withdrawal can make it worse. 

Both my girls have the same problem but one of them has never had any psych meds. 

 

That squelching sound makes anyone who hears it cringe! 

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Jason

Me too Jason, exactly as you describe it!  I had it long before meds though.  It did clear up

and had no problems for years until I started tapering so I do think withdrawal can make it worse. 

Both my girls have the same problem but one of them has never had any psych meds. 

 

That squelching sound makes anyone who hears it cringe! 

It is bizarre, isn't it?

 

Before drugs I used to hate if someone pinched my nose because it would sometimes squish and squelch. Not nearly like it does now, though.

 

Oh, I can't tell you how much blood I lost through my nose during this process, too. I literally thought my brains were bleeding out through my nose. I still sometimes think that may have been what that was. Once I started high dose supplements of a lot of different things a lot of the blood went away. I have read of a lot of strange blood losses by various people during this experience, though. I mean, the dead tissue has to come out somehow and somewhere...

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Jason

 

Me too Jason, exactly as you describe it!  I had it long before meds though.  It did clear up

and had no problems for years until I started tapering so I do think withdrawal can make it worse. 

Both my girls have the same problem but one of them has never had any psych meds. 

 

That squelching sound makes anyone who hears it cringe! 

It is bizarre, isn't it?

 

Before drugs I used to hate if someone pinched my nose because it would sometimes squish and squelch. Not nearly like it does now, though.

 

Oh, I can't tell you how much blood I lost through my nose during this process, too. I literally thought my brains were bleeding out through my nose. I still sometimes think that may have been what that was. Once I started high dose supplements of a lot of different things a lot of the blood went away. I have read of a lot of strange blood losses by various people during this experience, though. I mean, the dead tissue has to come out somehow and somewhere...

 

 

When my new insurance kicks in from my new job, I am going to request a CT scan of the sinuses. A doctor had recommended this based on my symptoms. I have horrible smelly stuff coming from my nose. Nose feels constantly congested - some days are worse than others. The scariest symptom is sometimes there is blood. I have headaches and fullness feelings with pain and pressure. I worry it could be cancer. These are all warning signs. But it could also be a chronic infection caused by fungus. It can happen. Either way, nice to just get it ruled out by a simple scan, hopefully my insurance could cover a significant portion if not all of the test.

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mammaP

Hope you get the scan soon Jason, let us know how it goes, your symptoms sound like chronic 

infection but I am only speaking from experience.  I hope they can sort out what is the problem for you. 

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Rhiannon

I have had exacerbation of sinus symptoms with withdrawal. I have a deviated septum and tend to get sinus irritation and infection in the blocked side. The thing that helps me most is sinus irrigation (using distilled water and noniodized salt). Have you ever tried that? Sometimes if the sinuses are very irritated to begin with or really blocked, it doesn't help, but it's worth a try I think. Just be sure not to use regular chlorinated tap water or iodized salt, the chlorine and iodine can cause irritation and make it painful.

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Jason

I have had exacerbation of sinus symptoms with withdrawal. I have a deviated septum and tend to get sinus irritation and infection in the blocked side. The thing that helps me most is sinus irrigation (using distilled water and noniodized salt). Have you ever tried that? Sometimes if the sinuses are very irritated to begin with or really blocked, it doesn't help, but it's worth a try I think. Just be sure not to use regular chlorinated tap water or iodized salt, the chlorine and iodine can cause irritation and make it painful.

 

I love Alkolol and have used it from time to time. Basically same thing as what you've used, only has some other ingredients like essential oils. And yes. Only use distilled water! You could cause a serious, life-threatening infection if you don't.

 

I'm not really a fan of irrigation. It literally scares me. I hate the feeling of something going up in there. It sometimes drains to the back of throat, too. Real scary stuff. Not a fan.

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