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I took Clexa mixed with Ambeian for over ten years I was in the proccess of steping down my dose when I had a reaction to the drug cipro causeing me to stop the celxa cold

My question is while you are recoverying is it typical to feel good then bounce back into symtomatic I know this is quite common with Cipro recoverys I am trying to pin down whats going on with me and how best to address it currently take no meds whatsoever though Doc is allways pushing something or another any advice would be most appreciated

also is there a list on this site of symtoms?

 

Meds taken

AMB 10 MG 10 years

Celxa 40 Mg 6 years

Celxa 20 MG 4 Years

Cipro 500 MG x2 for 7 days (posion)

Cold turkey with Celxa after ten years due to ADR with cipro

currently 0 meds 2 yrs post cold turkey due to cipro ADR

 

Current symptons

Emtional flatness,brain fog rough sleep lack of motivation lack of energy lack of Libido

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Hi Crazyhillbillyboy,

 

Cipro is a nasty antibiotic and it can cause severe withdrawals when mixed with antidepressants and especially with benzodiazepines.  If you have to take it, then you have to, but it is helpful to know that the wicked symptoms one can experience when mixing it with an AD or benzo are just caused by Cipro.

 

Please tell us more about how much celexa you were on, how you were tapering and what the dose was when you went off of it cold turkey.  How long have you been off of it?  When you get a chance, please add a signature that identifies your drug withdrawal history http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/893-please-put-your-withdrawal-history-in-your-signature/.  Whenever you post your signature will show up and will be a ready reminder of what you've experienced so that mods and members can provide more meaningful responses.

 

This site advocates for a slow, controlled reduction off of these drugs to minimize the negative symptoms.  But many of us have found that it is normal to cycle ... we actually call it waves and windows.

 

What symptoms are you currently having?

 

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I am not a medical professional - this is not medical advice. My suggestions are based on personal experience, reading, observation and anecdotal information posted by other sufferers

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I was taken 20 MG a day for around two months prior to taing cipro for a suspected infection I had been taken them prior to that 20 Mg evey few days  History Difficult time sleeping in fall of 01 just before the towers were hit went to New Doc was intaily presribed prozac but it didnt agge with me i then started on celxa 40 mG with Ambein 10 mg i took this combo for about 6 years and slowly i started to become very numb unmotivated and low libido went to 20 MG from around 08- till 2011 Had adverse reaction to Cipro went cold turkey with the celxa just used the ambeian to help with sleep two years later I deal with lack of intrest emotional flatness lack of energey tired wasted feeling brain fog I have good days and weeks but latley its been rough again it is hard to discern what is from the Cipro and what is from the celxa kicker is i didnt have an infection nor never really needed AD in the first place never really depressed mostly happy though worried a bit just couldnt sleep I stop using Ambeian nigtly for arond 9mos now only use it occasionaly In the Cipro pages we call them cycles and they mirrior AD  withdrawels of course Docs deny everything

Meds taken

AMB 10 MG 10 years

Celxa 40 Mg 6 years

Celxa 20 MG 4 Years

Cipro 500 MG x2 for 7 days (posion)

Cold turkey with Celxa after ten years due to ADR with cipro

currently 0 meds 2 yrs post cold turkey due to cipro ADR

 

Current symptons

Emtional flatness,brain fog rough sleep lack of motivation lack of energy lack of Libido

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Would you say that over the last 2 years since your bad reaction to Cipro and stopping the Celexa (ct), your symptoms have generally improved, stayed the same or got worse?

 

Has anything changed in your life lately, or has anything happened which may have caused some stress?  In a nervous system which hasn't completely healed, an increase in stress can sometimes bring on increased symptoms.

 

How often do you take Ambien now?

I'm not a doctor.  My comments are not medical advise. These are my opinions based on my own experience and what I've learned. Please discuss your situation with a medical practitioner who has knowledge of tapering and withdrawal...if you are lucky enough to find one.

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Depending on what day it is  somedays i feel allmost normal others allmost but not as bad during the acute phase

I do far more now than I did last year this time this time last year I was still struggeling with Depersonalaztion loss of sense of self etc I still get that way but it,s relativly short Depression in the first year was really really bad now chemically driven now it,s more of frustration of wanting to get back to work still dont have alot of energey to work with prior to Cipro I used to be very active even with celxa/ambeian combo post cipro I spend alot of time on the couch or in bed I can manage a few hours a day of activity I read a report called the Flox report it speaks of cycles of feeling good then crashing again with each period getting better In some ways that is the case in others seems stagnant one thing for sure trying to recover from Cipro is hell on earth I only take Ambeian about onece a month if that normaly i take melatoin and valerian root ,magnesium,calcium at bed time with fish oil I avoid all meds now including flu shots

Meds taken

AMB 10 MG 10 years

Celxa 40 Mg 6 years

Celxa 20 MG 4 Years

Cipro 500 MG x2 for 7 days (posion)

Cold turkey with Celxa after ten years due to ADR with cipro

currently 0 meds 2 yrs post cold turkey due to cipro ADR

 

Current symptons

Emtional flatness,brain fog rough sleep lack of motivation lack of energy lack of Libido

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I had a terrible episode with Cipro myself and identify ..I'll never take that drug again.

C/T Celexa and Trazadone on Jan.29th 2014
Prescribed 1mg of Klonopin every 6 hours on Jan.29th
Began tapering Klonopin April 18th..stretching time between doses...at first one hour for 2 weeks then a half hour for app.10 days then another half hour 10days later.
Presently at .25 three times a day..6 2 and 10pm. Trying to stabilize.
Also still taking gabapentin 300mgs 2xs a day..

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