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Barbarannamated

I just read this in a brochure of a Marriage and Family Therapist and found it interesting:

 

"Anxiety is a mood condition that occurs without an identifiable triggering stimulus. As such, it is distinguished from fear, which occurs in the presence of an observed threat. Additionally, fear is related to the specific behaviors of escape and avoidance, whereas anxiety is the result of threats that are perceived to be uncontrollable or unavoidable."

 

Just sharing...not implying that it is accurate or not.

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Nikki

This speaks volumes

 

 

What medication do I take for anxiety?

Sunday, January 27th, 2008

 

This is a question I get asked a lot. Anyone who knows me and my views will know I am not a fan of them. Not just because I believe recovery comes from within, but also the wrong medication is given to sufferers. I know of around 30 different medications handed out for anxiety. This is because people can get wrongly diagnosed and also because the patient comes back and tells them it is not helping, so they shift them on to something else. No other condition has so many different medications to treat it, maybe the answer lies away from tablets then!

 

I was given seroxat to treat my anxiety, which is mainly an anti depressant. Did it make me feel better? No, I wanted answers to what was wrong with me, that would have helped far better. I got a lot of side effects and decided to come off them. I was also handed out beta blockers, these were suppose to slow my heart rate down. Again I never mentioned my heart raced, it rarely did, I suffered with chronic anxiety and this did nothing to help. Again I decided to come off them and find my own answers, I just felt until I had some answers to the way I felt, medication was never going to be the answer.

 

I had someone last week say they went to the doctors and explained their symptoms, the reply was to just stare at them and hand out some tablets. This is exactly what I went through. The doctor just looked confused, if he did not know then it must be serious. Going back to the lady who went to see the doctor, back she went and stated the tablets were not helping at all. His answer was to double the dosage, again they did not help and she felt more bewildered than ever, falsely believing that she was the only one in the world to feel like this. She got in touch with me after reading my book and said it helped far more then any medication. An explanation to how we are feeling always does, it takes so much fear and worry out of the equation, the very thing that keeps anxiety and panic alive.

 

The only time I would see a place for medication for anxiety would be that the sufferer finds something that takes the edge of the way they feel and are given the correct advice along side it. Medication without an explanation is just a crutch. I never wanted a crutch or something that could bring other problems, I wanted to come through naturally.

I am not a doctor and don’t claim to be. Some people do find a little relief with medication, but far more I come across don’t. That is always a personal choice. My advice though is always to educate yourself, knowledge is always power with anxiety. It is the very thing that got me home and not some tablet.

 

The main reason for this post is that it pains me to read emails asking what medication they should try, some have been on medication for many years and have not found any peace, swapping and changing every year. I tell them the answer does not lie on an outside cure, but a cure from within. I have yet to meet anyone who had recovered solely through medication and I don’t believe I ever will.

For more help and advice visit my main site www.anxietynomore.co.uk

For more information about my book ‘At last a life’ visit

www.anxietynomore.co.uk/the_book.html

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lundeliz

I'm almost 6 months out from my last Cymbalta. The last few days the fear has

 

been overwhelming, impossible to get away from. Fear of nothing at all, just a

 

feeling of fear and terror. I'm tapering a beta blocker so I don't know if that

 

is contributing to it or not. I feel terror just lying in my bed doing nothing,

 

afraid of what, I don't know..maybe fear of losing control. Please tell me this

 

will end. Trying to hang on.

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alex

HI Lundeliz;I am sorry you are going through this hell.

Yes, it WILL get better.I know because I've been there.

6 months off is not much for AD withdrawal.On the contrary. it could be the pits...

You wont loose control;you don't know how strong you are until you have to be strong.

Again, I'm telling you this, for my own experience.22 months after my last dose of Effexor, terror days are very much over for me.

I am not out of the woods, but definitely better.

 

Hang in there, it will get better.

 

Hugs, A.

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acetyl

I am three weeks into xyprexa withdrawal and I have anxiety that is worsening and depression. I am afraid of everything now. I wasn't like this before. But, I feel like I maybe can't do this.... Even though I never felt myself on the medication. Can anyone help? Is this just me?

 

The anxiety I'm experiencing following Asenapine discontinuation (also an AAP similar to zyprexa) is beyond words and is the craziest sensation imaginable. There isn't much physically i.e. no racing heart, no lump in the throat or sweaty palms; it is all inside my head like my brain waves have been amplified 1000x, it is this constant hyper CNS  agitation. Everything scares me, even the simplest of tasks seem excruciatingly hard to perform. So I absolutely promise it's not just you.

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Kirstyloop

I’m on week 14 I think from stopping citalophram. Started taking it October 2012 after going on holiday. Prior to the holiday I felt anxious in trains/cinema/lecture halls places I felt I couldn’t get out of easily. Therefore when I sat on a plane for 5 hours I was bad, although not bad enough to have a panic attack, instead I used alcohol to cope. Which I did the whole holiday and the constant hangover made me worse. All in all I came back a quivering wreck and went on meds. Anyway came off them (20mg) did a week of 10mg then a week of 10mg nothing 10mg nothing then a week of 10 nothing nothing 10 nothing nothing. Not much of a taper when I researched afterwards.

 

Anyway, I understand waves and windows, and the lack of research on withdrawal is horrendous. I’ve booked a 4 day trip to Gibralter, my friend lives there and I’m petrified. I know it’s association between now and my last holiday which was negative. I have windows of positivity that it will be great then I’m a wreck the next wave. I’d love to think I’m withdrawing still, it would be so comforting. I go Gibralter on 9/6/14 :) eeeeeek but I will get through it. It’s only a feeling and feelings don’t kill you. Sending love and hope you all get happiness xx

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mlrp

It pains me somewhat to post to a thread that Tim (rest his soul) so recently posted to, but I offer a link to a page on a website that helped me break down and understand the issue of my panic attacks. There isn't anything incredibly new or novel there (although the concept of "adding a second fear" was new to me, and it helped when I consciously worked to avoid that) but since it helped me, I offer it to others.

 

http://www.anxietyandstress.com/dealingwihpanicattacks.html

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xlmplmplmp

I'm currently back on a low dose of Prozac and preparing myself for a year-long taper. The issue I present tonight is one of fear. When I was suffering from full-blown withdrawal before my reinstatement I would experience fear from seemingly another planet - the sort of fear that eats away the soul. I'm not being melodramatic - this fear would come from nowhere and rip apart any hope or sense of certainty I had in anything. The complete and total fear was by far the worst symptom of withdrawal and the one I most dread when I begin to taper. Because the fear is so overwhelming and I have not found any reliable way to curtail it, I am wondering if anyone here has found methods to treat or manage it, because I am sure other people have dealt with this as well.

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LoveandLight

No I'm afraid not.. But I do understand, I think. I described it a pure terror..maybe with a slow taper you can avoid this..

 

Best of luck.

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LoveandLight

Emotional freedom technique, I wonder if this would help. I will report back with progress.

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rapunzel2

any ideas about this drug - is it better option for sleep than benzos or seroquel? (I'm not asking for myself, a friend is in trouble with sleep). 

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Lily777

I, personally take Hydrox at night for help with sleep and anxiety.   It has been a great help to me,  and I have not had 1 panic attack since I have been taking it.   It can be prescribed as needed for anxiety.

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LoveandLight

Today I've been overcome with terror. I've suffered from this for 6 years on/off. I don't know if it is iatrogenic or if it was as a result of the intense meditation practice I had been using at this time as a desperate means of escape. I cannot find any way to deal with this. Normal techniques do not work - it is not anxiety nor fear 'of' anything. All consuming terror. When this happens, I feel that nothing in life matters, like this terror is beyond life itself.

 

I found this: http://www.tc.umn.edu/~parkx032/CY-AX.html

 

I will maybe see if I can get in touch with someone who deals with this.

 

Anyone else relate? What, if anything, has helped.

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alex

I am sorry you are suffering J; yes, I can relate.

The first year, I was overwhelmed with severe, extreme terror most of the time.

I really don't know how I survived.But I did, and I'm glad.The terror days are gone for good.

The ONLY thing that makes us better is TIME.

Don't do anything intense right now.

Be patient,take good care of you, and wait....

 

Sending good vibes all the way from tropical paradise to Inverness....

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Petunia

I don't know if it is iatrogenic or if it was as a result of the intense meditation practice I had been using at this time as a desperate means of escape.

 

Perhaps it doesn't matter what the cause is.  It could be a complex combination of several factors.  Before I found this site, the only potential perspectives I had for my terror was a spiritual one and a mental illness one....and no support.  But then, coming here, I learned that it may also be, or might only be iatrogenic.  I've now abandoned the illness perspective, but I'm still not certain of anything. 

 

When it comes to terror, I've learned that the only way out is through.  Breathing through it, allowing it to be in my body, knowing that I am not my body, but the awareness in which my body exists.

 

I read the link you posted, I thought it was a good description of the difference between psychological based fear and physical/energetic based fear, unfortunately it didn't offer any suggestions about what to do about it.

 

This reply probably belongs in the finding meaning section, but you posted here, so I'm replying here.  I googled 'terror after spiritual awakening' and a few helpful looking links came up.  Adyashanti talks about fear accompanying at least one kind of awakening and after the shift, it needs to be integrated...

 

...Or awakening can happen on the gut level—the fear-based “clench” of self can let go to the sense of “no-self.”

 

It can happen on more than one level at a time; it can happen in any order—and it can so disorder and frighten the individual that he or she wants to “go back to sleep.” And something like that can happen, temporarily, perhaps even permanently. Adya refers to “spiritual shipwrecks”-- the result of awakenings not carried through the process of adapting to the shift in identity. That shift entails an altered relationship to life.

http://awakenetwork.org/forum/105-reading-listening-and-viewing-recommendations/9365-qualities-of-awakening-adyashanti#13693

 

The way I've been managing the terror I've been experiencing for the last several years is by knowing that its a process which will eventually burn itself out one way or another, leaving me in a freer and more peaceful state.  So when it comes (up), I do the best I can to allow it, to be aware of it and to let it be here, and eventually it goes away, for a while.  I focus on not allowing thoughts to attach to it.  If my mind starts to make frightening stories about what this sensation means, then I brush the thoughts away and refocus on my breath.

 

My withdrawal perspective:  My nervous system is in a state of chaos from the effects of drugs, its over sensitized and sometimes these neuro-emotions arise and they feel overwhelming.  But they can't harm me and are a sign that my brain and nervous system are healing.  I will do my best to remain calm and accepting, knowing that I am healing every day.

 

My spiritual perspective:  This human body is the host for a spiritually evolving being.  Awakening takes place on different levels, one being the physical.  In order for this body/mind to adapt to the higher frequency of an expanding spirit, conditioning (deeply unconscious belief structures) need to dissolve and be let go of.  This process can arouse a lot of fear as the mind/ego tries to remain in control. But I am not this mind/body/ego and its fear cannot harm me.

 

I've been dealing with fear/terror since the end of 2010.  It started slowly and then built in intensity and I would say it peaked for a while at the end of 2011 and again through much of 2013.  But last year (2014) its intensity started to decrease and continues to do so.

 

I agree with Alex that time is needed, and finding a way to understand and accept what's happening is just as important. 

 

 

 

 

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westcoast

Petunia, it seems from your sig that the onset of your terror was when you started the ADHD meds. I began having terror after being on those for a few months, then stopping. Wondering if they did something to my brain. I am a lot better now but pretty sure my days are colored by vague dread. I don't remember what I used to feel like, actually.

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Petunia

Petunia, it seems from your sig that the onset of your terror was when you started the ADHD meds.

 

Its really hard to know because I had so many different things going on, along with drug changes and a lot of stress in my life.  I'm sure they added to the chaos going on in my brain, but its hard to know what was withdrawal from Lexapro or adverse effects from stimulants. 

 

I'm so glad your terror has gone for now Joannad, I hope it stays away.

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ikam

Today I've been overcome with terror. I've suffered from this for 6 years on/off. I don't know if it is iatrogenic or if it was as a result of the intense meditation practice I had been using at this time as a desperate means of escape. I cannot find any way to deal with this. Normal techniques do not work - it is not anxiety nor fear 'of' anything. All consuming terror. When this happens, I feel that nothing in life matters, like this terror is beyond life itself.

I found this: http://www.tc.umn.edu/~parkx032/CY-AX.html

I will maybe see if I can get in touch with someone who deals with this.

Anyone else relate? What, if anything, has helped.

I remember once when I went for a meditation it increased my anxiety...i think it was because my concentration was more inward. I find it more useful in times like this to get involved with something external...i prefer mindful observing of something external as opposed to concentrating on myself...sometimes even lyig down in the morning increases my anxieties...when I get up and start being involved with the outside world I tend to get better...

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Horns85

I believe I have read that fear can be a WD symptom. I am almost 6 months off Lexapro. I have had anxiety throughout this process but recently an overwhelming sense of fear has plagued me. Sometimes it's rational but most of the time it's not. It then proceeds to increase my anxiety and it becomes a terrible combo. It then seems to manifest into sadness and makes me emotional about situations and past events that really seem silly. Has anyone here experienced this? 

 

I am going to try magnesium again and see if that will help. I tried it about 4 months off and it made me a little more stimulated. Thanks in advance.

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Jlynn

I have discovered fear is a huge problem for me with my withdrawal. I have fear about things that are way beyond my control like illness and death involving me and those I love as well as living daily with fear of my own withdrawal symptoms and issues I am having or may have in the future. Never had this till I started coming off this poison. 

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LoveandLight

Yes to all of the above! It's horrible..

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LoveandLight

I'm scared of everything..just living is scary..so I try to be in the moment but derealisation makes even that scary!

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antidepressantsNoMore

HELL YEAH! Fear was a huge w/d symptom for me.

 

Check out my personality change thread as a result of w/d http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/8607-personality-changes-during-wd-whos-had-them/

 

 

I had so many weird symptoms. You know what herb kinda helps with fear? It sounds weird but I'm going to just throw it out there. It's called Stinging nettles. Give it a shot. It's known to reduce "fear".

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mattinsmom

Thank yo for bringing this up. I've been in a bit of a funk, ok, a lot of funk, for a little while now and couldn't quite put my finger on it. I think that Fear fits better than the other notions I've had. Of course they all play together to create a monster but I believe fear to be at the root of many of my more difficult times. Also, thank you for the reminder of stinging nettles. Nettle tea is fantastic and has many health benefits of which I cannot remember at the moment. 

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antidepressantsNoMore

Thank yo for bringing this up. I've been in a bit of a funk, ok, a lot of funk, for a little while now and couldn't quite put my finger on it. I think that Fear fits better than the other notions I've had. Of course they all play together to create a monster but I believe fear to be at the root of many of my more difficult times. Also, thank you for the reminder of stinging nettles. Nettle tea is fantastic and has many health benefits of which I cannot remember at the moment. 

 

No problem. I noticed that singing nettles (a good reputable brand) will actually reduce fear, tension and anxiety. It does detox the body and mind. It can help allergies and those who have post nasal drip (it clears mucus). It also gives you energy.

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JuliaMarie

I feel very fearful also.I have so much fear that I will never feel like myself again,be able to accomplish my goals, and give my kids the best I can. I just joined this site and reading all this stuff is making me more scared! Can someone direct me to some stories or threads about anyone who is on the othetside of Ad use and Wd? I feel good that everyone is so open and supportive, and that its not just me alone in this, but I think my fears would be lessened if I read about someone who got through this and turned their life around,and ended up a better person. I hope you feel better????

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Fresh

Hi all ,     I lived with deep fears too during my big withdrawal last year , and many periods before that.

There was also a specific sense of dread.   

Has anyone else felt that?

 

Fresh

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LoveandLight

Yep fresh..horrible horrible dread..like everything has a frightening feel to it..like normal things..is just terrifying..also a different thing of terror..like being terrified just to be living.

 

Glad your past that xx

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Kar

I'm slowly tapering paxil and fear is a big one for me. Fear is one manifestation of anxiety for me.  Crazy irrational fear of anything and everything, but of course, it seems completely rational in the moment to me.

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antidepressantsNoMore

Hi all ,     I lived with deep fears too during my big withdrawal last year , and many periods before that.

There was also a specific sense of dread.   

Has anyone else felt that?

 

Fresh

 

YES, fear is often due to anxiety or uncertainty. I've experienced more fear these past years that probably in my entire life especially 3 months after stopping the SNRI CT. I was having daily panic attacks, extreme dizziness. I couldn't function. I'm better than I was but believe I have a month to three months until the w/d is over.

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Horns85

I have talked about this in my personal intro but do others experience this? It does seem to come and go, but, I worry about EVERYTHING! Some stuff is legitimate, and those worries make me feel like my world is crashing down. The other worries, ones that I know are irrational, still seem to make me so anxious.

 

I then seem to obsess about these worries and think about them non stop. It's awful.

 

Anyone else experience this?

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Cookson

I can relate to this. The most superficial things I will have to logically go through in my head and try to convince myself that I am worrying, getting anxious about this unessrially. It will sometimes get to the stage where I will write down to try and justify and convince myself that I do need to be worried about the particular thing.

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Cookson

A lot of the time it will resolve around my insomnia, I can sleep fine if I'm not worried. But I have to be entirely comfadble with all my family members in the household. The littlest upset or dispute will have me rapidly spiralling downwards Into a great unnatural suffocating depression, like a great empty feeling of lost. Or an extreme body anxity where I'll start shaking. Which will ultimately keep me up at night. I'll openly admit I've become a doormat now to some extent and will go out of my way to avoid confrontations. It's lethal to me otherwise.

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