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The use of Sodium in our water supply has never received FDA approval as a Drug. This policy of medicating our drinking water with sodium fluoride was never put to a puplic vote it was done without the publics concent.

 

Fluoride content in Food

 

Children, diabetics and people with kidney disease are especially at risk of Fluoride poisoning.

 

Children and sodium Fluoride

 

Here is a study on the effect of Fluoride on children's IQ.

 

Childrens IQ and Sodium fluoride

 

More to come later.

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aza

I believe fluoridated water has a detrimental impact on all of us and is a contributing factor to our deteriorating health. The link below is an example of some of the research showing the dark side of fluoridated water.

 

Letter from Phyllis J. Mullenix, Ph.D.

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Narcissus

Thanks for this, scary stuff.

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Altostrata

Fluoride as a component of antidepressants has nothing to do with their adverse effects on the nervous system.

 

Fluorine occurs naturally in water.

 

There are many, many alternative medicine myths about dangers to our health, and the fear of fluoride or fluorine is one of them.

 

The fear of fluoride or fluorine in psychiatric drugs is misplaced. Their risks are unrelated to fluorine or fluoride. If you have withdrawal symptoms, you have much more important things to worry about.

 

PS My town was one of the first to get fluoridated water, I've been exposed to it since I was a small child and, at 62, my teeth are in terrific shape.

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GiaK

I filter the flouride out of my water...in my town they were putting more than average and we had a number of neurological illnesses tied to it...this is documented and in our local papers...I will not drink water with flouride in it, nor bathe in it either...I've got enough of a toxic load in my body so anywhere I can minimize it I do.

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alexjuice

Aza,

 

It might ease your mind if you limited yourself to filtered or spring water. You can buy a shower head filter as well. I had one at my old house ....

 

best,

Alex

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aza

Aza,

 

It might ease your mind if you limited yourself to filtered or spring water. You can buy a shower head filter as well. I had one at my old house ....

 

best,

Alex

 

Thanks every one. I plan on purchasing a Reverse osmosis counter top Water filter in march. And I'm giving the one I use now to a friend of mine, not as good as the RO-75-90 but good enough to filter out the Fluoride.

 

See ya

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Barbarannamated

I was reminded recently that my grade school gave fluoride tablets to all of the kids (1970s). Disturbing.

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dunerbug

I was just talking to my husband this morning about this. I'm so disappointed that the new town we live in puts floride in the water. It does pose health risks long term, especially with over exposure.

 

But at least we won't have bad teeth.

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Meimeiquest

Amazed our town recently took it out...sent out a flyer saying it was costing $20K/year, and everyone could make their own choice about fluoride, listed other ways to get it.

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aza

Amazed our town recently took it out...sent out a flyer saying it was costing $20K/year, and everyone could make their own choice about fluoride, listed other ways to get it.

 

Fantastic!

 

This is the way it ought to be, we have the right to choose ye or ne on this and not have it forced on us. I just purchased a non Fluoride tooth Paste, first time I hope this works out for me.

 

I see Colgate finally has a young childrens non-fluoride tooth paste. There must have been some bad press for them to bow to the consumer like that.

 

I remember growing up and seeing the Colgate comercials on TV, back in the 50's they used monofluo-phosfate (MFP) now I see they use (Sodium Fluoride) you have to wonder why if they use fluoride why they don't use calcium fluoride. Our bodies are better able to tolerate it (the natural fluoride) and it is not as easily absorbed into the body.

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aza

Aza,

 

It might ease your mind if you limited yourself to filtered or spring water. You can buy a shower head filter as well. I had one at my old house ....

 

best,

Alex

 

Hi Alexe,

 

I did a search pretty comprehensive for fluoride shower filters and the only one to claim to remove fluoride used a kinda metalic ring around the water pipe to deionize the fluoride to render it harmless. It's still in the water isn't it?

 

Plenty of filters for chlorine but not fluoride (right or wrong) that was my conclusion. I'll continue my search, I may have to invent one, LOL.

 

Cheers

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aza

I was just talking to my husband this morning about this. I'm so disappointed that the new town we live in puts floride in the water. It does pose health risks long term, especially with over exposure.

 

But at least we won't have bad teeth.

 

For the record:The Deep Dark Secret Finally Exposed

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cymbaltawithdrawal5600

Fluoride as a component of antidepressants has nothing to do with their adverse effects on the nervous system.

 

Fluorine occurs naturally in water.

 

There are many, many alternative medicine myths about dangers to our health, and the fear of fluoride or fluorine is one of them.

 

The fear of fluoride or fluorine in psychiatric drugs is misplaced. Their risks are unrelated to fluorine or fluoride. If you have withdrawal symptoms, you have much more important things to worry about.

 

 

 

The e-book on Prozac mentioned here hurt my brain. This is how conspiracy theories start and keep going, imho. The author is a PhD and I'd need to see his creds as a bona fide researcher/reporter of the results of scientific studies before I take anything he says as the truth. I skipped to the end, no citations to actual studies anywhere. I underlined Alto's comment in the quote because I that is where the focus belongs. I think I'll stay out of the off topic area.

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compsports

Totally agree with Alto.

 

I used to have perfect teeth before my dental hygiene became horrible. And then when I went on psych meds, it didn't matter how great it was as because of the dry mouth they caused, it was impossible not to have problems.

 

CS

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cymbaltawithdrawal5600

I read parts of this letter and it does indeed have citations to studies. Date of her letter is 1999. Studies done in mid 1990's. Last citation is to this: "17). Declassified letter. April 29, 1944. "Subject: Request for animal experimentation to determine central nervous system effects," from John L. Perry, Captain, Medical Corps".

 

A line in the letter caught my eye:

 

"A common theme in these reports was that fluoride exposure impaired memory and concentration and that it caused lethargy, headache, depression and confusion. The depression is not something to ignore because suicide occurs more frequently than expected in populations of fluoride workers (7)."

 

Citation is to this: "7). Grandjean, P., Olsen, H., Jensen, O.M., Juel, K. Cancer incidence and mortality in workers exposed to fluoride. J. N. Cancer Inst. 84: 1903-1909, 1992."

 

Huh? I'd have to read the study to see how she was able to make the mental leap to formulating the sentence tying depression and suicide together from a study on cancer incidence.

 

I have a theory that if you have a theory you can find evidence to bolster/refute it on the web, so easy now but in the 90's she may have had to get her research by hand and spend a lot of a$$ time reading it all.

 

Now I think I can move on.....

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Altostrata

Believe me, the amount of fluoride in an antidepressant is tiny and not responsible for any brain-disabling effects of the drug. Other stuff does that.

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aza

I believe fluoridated water has a detrimental impact on all of us and is a contributing factor to our deteriorating health. The link below is an example of some of the research showing the dark side of fluoridated water.

 

Letter from Phyllis J. Mullenix, Ph.D.

 

A small excerpt from the letter from Phyllis J. Mullenix, PH.D. ,

 

"Unfortunately, the link between fluoride and the brain does not end with the above mentioned studies. In 1993 while studying the neurotoxicity associated with the treatments of childhood leukemia, we demonstrated that the fluorinated steroid dexamethasone disrupted behavior in rats to a greater degree than did its non fluorinated counterpart prednisolone (14,15). This finding prompted a clinical study of children treated for leukemia, where it was found that the fluorinated steroid was more detrimental to IQ than the nonfluorinated steroid, in particular reading comprehension, arithmetic calculation and short-term working memory deficits were greater (16). In short, this finding has fueled a growing concern about the contribution of fluorinated pharmaceuticals to the total body burden of fluoride."

 

And here,

 

"As you decide whether or not to fluoridate the water supplies of Fort Detrick, it is imperative that you consider the impact on total body burden of fluoride. The soldier today is a different individual, facing a very different situation than that encountered fifty years ago when fluoridation was promoted as a "safe and effective" means to protect against tooth decay. The difference stems from the fact that 1) fluoride exposures today are out of control, well beyond the dose touted as optimum for caries prevention; and 2) people today, especially soldiers, are exposed to substances and conditions that will interact with fluoride exposure and magnify harmful effects (i.e., exposure to beryllium, lead, strontium, aluminum, cholinesterase-inhibiting pesticides, uranium hexafluoride, stress, nutritional deficiencies, increased water consumption due to extreme exercises, fluorinated pharmaceuticals, and nerve gases including sarin)."

 

And finally,

 

"Therefore, in good conscience I can only discourage the notion of fluoridating the water supply of Fort Detrick. The evidence against the safety of this public health policy will keep mounting and never disappear again. My ignorance of fluoride in the beginning was a matter of chance. If you ignore this evidence today, it will be a matter of choice. Good luck with doing the right thing."

 

 

Fluoride accumulates in the body over time, why add more to the fluoride burden if you don't have to!

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dunerbug

I don't know if this has been talked about yet but In the last couple days I've had a light bulb turn on as far as my struggle goes.

 

I lived in an area that did not fluoridate their water. I moved from that area in Aug. 2012. The city I currently live is is fluoridated. Since I've lived here, I've gotten progressively worse. 

(My daughter has been experiencing some health issues since living here too, but it could be purely coincidence)

 

I understand fully that withdrawal from prozac was/is the catalyst for my health issues. But I am very concerned that through the withdrawal process that I've become over sensitized to fluoride.

 

Prozac contains active molecules of fluorine. It is bonded with carbon and not supposed to metabolize in your system though.......but it can. 

(I'm probably saying this wrong. I'm terrible with this science stuff. Just do a google search.)

 

Many antidepressants contain fluoride and many of them are the ones that typically carry a hefty withdrawal punch....like paxil.

 

I don't want to start a nasty debate, but I personally feel that fluoride is poison and shouldn't be ingested, period. 

 

Now since weaning (probably since the first time I tried) off prozac I'm terribly sensitive to all kinds of things. Fluoride is one of them I'm sure of it.

 

Now I can't escape it. It's in my food and water. Lately I've been having a difficult time after warm showers. I now suspect that I'm having difficult time with hot teas both because of the fluoride in the water but also maybe because of fluoride in the tea leaves. (depending on where it comes from)

 

I sincerely hope it's not the case... but now certain things make sense.

 

I'm scared that I'm essentially being poisoned on a daily basis.

 

Has anyone else looked into this?

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Claudius

I remember a similar discussion has been here before. Indeed some of the antidepressants contain onw or more fluorine atoms: Prozac and Paxil both are organic fluorine compounds.

But Effexor, also one of the most notorious, does not contain fluorine.

Many medicines, including statines, contain fluorine. In organic cpmpounds, fluorine atoms are used to "tune" the electron distribution in the molecues and therefore its biological reactivity.

I do not really believe this is the reason for the terrible WD of the SSRI's. Also organic fluorine  cannt be compared one-to-one to inorganic fluoride as it is added to most tooth pastes.

But I do agree with you that AD's are poison and we are badly damaged by them...

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dunerbug

I don't really think it's the main cause of bad withdrawal either but it would make sense that it could cause problems if they are living in a fluoridated area and are getting too much.....or develop a major sensitivity to it upon weaning.

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alexjuice

I have a weird feeling about flouride and heavy metals, specifically lead. I have bone problems and notice that my problems are exacerbated w/ tap water, particularly showering. The feeling at the moment is that it's related to the flouride but I am not sure. I got a shower head filter that claims to remove 90% of flouride and I hope to get it onto the shower head this weekend. Maybe that will help.

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dunerbug

Alto-no doubt there are other ingredients that are more worrisome. My main concern though is- Could I have (through weaning and withdrawal) developed a sensitivity to it? I know there is really no way of answering this. 

 

At this point, I just want to know what questions to ask and what decisions need to be made to improve my quality of life....because it's very bad.

I'm trying to figure out the right way of bringing this up to the neurologist. 

 

I'm really thinking I've developed a sensitivity to it. 

 

Bottom line for me is....I feel there is something wrong and I don't want to ignore it.

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dunerbug

I have a weird feeling about flouride and heavy metals, specifically lead. I have bone problems and notice that my problems are exacerbated w/ tap water, particularly showering. The feeling at the moment is that it's related to the flouride but I am not sure. I got a shower head filter that claims to remove 90% of flouride and I hope to get it onto the shower head this weekend. Maybe that will help.

 

keep me posted. 

 

My husband and I have been discussing things we can do to improve our water at home. It's quite expensive! 

 

Sadly, I'm not the only one in my household whose health is struggling since we have moved here. I'm sure they are for different reasons but still an odd coincidence. So we are motivated to figure things out.

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alexjuice

Duner-

If you think fluoride is causing problems for you you can try to limit exposure to municipal water. The Rainshower filter claims to remove 90% of fluroide and is inexpensive. Drinking spring water is more expensive but not prohibitively so. I buy 2.5 gallon bottles of spring water. I like this brand personally

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1FS0F42377&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleMKP&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleMKP-_-pla-_-Diet+%26+Fitness-_-9SIA1FS0F42377

But any one that you like is probably okay. There's a lot of good, I'd guess, sources for local spring water in your area. If the fraking industry from the Dakotas hasn't polluted it yet.

 

Overall, fluoride sensitivity of a severe nature is only going to happen if you have other health issues, IMO, and these beyond taking a lot of prozac. Most people drink fluorinated water and suffer little negative effect from it. But it probably bothers sick people. It bothers me.

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dunerbug

 

Overall, fluoride sensitivity of a severe nature is only going to happen if you have other health issues, IMO, and these beyond taking a lot of prozac. Most people drink fluorinated water and suffer little negative effect from it. But it probably bothers sick people. It bothers me.

 

This is a very good point. This is why I am going to see someone again and get some tests done.

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NoMeaning25

I was given these tablets for years since the age of 3 because our town water had no fluoride in them. I wonder if this had any contribution to my GAD that ive had my whole life

 

 

I was reminded recently that my grade school gave fluoride tablets to all of the kids (1970s). Disturbing.

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rapunzel2

Here's a good article http://www.robertgammal.com/Fluoride/PoisonSympsFl.html

 

and this here explains the link with thyroid and tiredness http://www.naturalthyroidchoices.com/Fluoride.html

 

I'm totally devastated. fluoride poisoning totally explains all my symptoms - disrupted sleep and extreme tiredness. i need to get off this drug NOW, at the same time the withdrawals are so bad that I just can't go faster! I'm furious! and sad :'(

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Altostrata

rapunzel, please use search before starting a new topic.

 

As I said before, there are other ingredients in psychiatric drugs that are a lot more worrisome.

 

It is unlikely that fluoride alone is responsible for your symptoms. You still need to taper carefully.

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rapunzel2

sorry, I was so blown away that I totally forgot that maybe somebody has already written about it here.

 

what are the other ingredients that are more worrisome?

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Altostrata

The active form of the drug, for one.

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