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rapunzel2

what do you mean by active form? the thing that messes with serotonin etc?

 

I'm a bit calmer today. fluoride or not, this drug sucks anyway! and is not good for my health. I guess there are more bad things in there than only fluoride...

at the same time, of course, it doesn't make me feel comfortable to eat a drug which has a neurotoxic component in it, which is also used in rat poison!

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Altostrata

Fluoride is in a lot of compounds that have nothing to do with rat poison. It's a very common chemical.

 

There is no reason to fixate on fluoride per se as a toxin in psychiatric drugs.

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Petunia

rapunzel,

Even though the fluoride added to the water supply and used in dentistry has become a controversial issue, the fluorine which is added to many pharmaceuticals is not an active ingredient.  Its included to enhance the properties of the main ingredients.


 
"The pharmacological superiority of fluorinated compounds over their non-fluorinated analogues may be rationalised as follows. Although, contrary to popular misconceptions, covalently bound fluorine (C-F bond length 138 pm) has a significantly larger steric requirement than hydrogen (C-H bond length 109 pm), fluorinated compounds usually have a sufficient similarity in size and shape to their non-fluorinated analogues to fit a given enzyme receptor, so that they tend to have similar inherent biological activity. On the other hand, the carbon-fluorine bond is very strong (485 KJ mol-1, compared with C-H, 416 KJmol-1), so the fluorinated compounds tend to be more resistant to metabolic degradation."

 

http://www.iptonline.com/articles/public/IPTFOUR74NP.pdf

 

So it does the job of carrying the toxic chemical where its intended to go quite well, without actually inflicting its own harmful potential.

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rapunzel2

thanks a lot, Petu! Do I understand correctly, that the carbon-fluorine bond is so strong that it is not breaking down. and fluoride is toxic when it's not bonded like this, because then it will bond to things in your organism?

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Petunia

yes, that's the way I understood it.

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ang

Fluoride as a component of antidepressants has nothing to do with their adverse effects on the nervous system. Fluorine occurs naturally in water. There are many, many alternative medicine myths about dangers to our health, and the fear of fluoride or fluorine is one of them. The fear of fluoride or fluorine in psychiatric drugs is misplaced. Their risks are unrelated to fluorine or fluoride. If you have withdrawal symptoms, you have much more important things to worry about. PS My town was one of the first to get fluoridated water, I've been exposed to it since I was a small child and, at 62, my teeth are in terrific shape.

Hi Alto,  teeth may be in perfect shape, as mine are.            Fluoride is not needed for our health, a non requirement.         I have found I am now sensitive to stuff, I could tolerate 20 years ago............ I cant tolerate them now.    Anyway, I had my urine levels tested.                      0.9mg/L                           Apparently should not be over 0.1 mg/L                        but again, for some this is not a problem,.    some thrive on valium, but it sends me psychotic...........     

So my new test, will be drinking just pure rainwater...........          that is quite an easy change for me to make.         Anyhow,   have started a new thread, as you suggested    Apologies, as I did not know this topic existed.         Fluoride..........             I dont have flouride in my medications, and will have to research if any of my previous medications contained fluoride.                           In Australia, expecially where I live, my water is so overflouridated, over chlorinated.   I have recently been working in a water analysis, etc, laboratory, and the number of people suffering from allergies to the water, is unbelievable.                       Also, I must say, some using rainwater from tanks, never, ever cleaned,   and yes full of eColi..............not healthy either!

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ang

 

Aza,

 

It might ease your mind if you limited yourself to filtered or spring water. You can buy a shower head filter as well. I had one at my old house ....

 

best,

Alex

Hi Alexe,

 

I did a search pretty comprehensive for fluoride shower filters and the only one to claim to remove fluoride used a kinda metalic ring around the water pipe to deionize the fluoride to render it harmless. It's still in the water isn't it?

 

Plenty of filters for chlorine but not fluoride (right or wrong) that was my conclusion. I'll continue my search, I may have to invent one, LOL.

 

Cheers

 

Exactly, no filters for fluoride,      I am going to purchase a rainwater tank, we get good rainwater here..............                             australia has so much damn fluoride in the water?  Yeah getting rid of poisonous by product of aluminium refining?          Damn my teeth, I want my mental health back.

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Daisy1

I think this is overlooked. If you look at hydrofluoric acid poisoning in the bloodstream it affects sodium levels/calcium in the blood which can disable the nervous system/endocrine system. If you search hypoglycaemia on Wiki this lists hydrofluoric acid as a cause. Perhaps this is why people have adverse reactions when exposed to ssri. I believe it's a strong possibility.

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Daisy1

Apologise hypocalcaemia

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Daisy1

This can result in Hypoparathyroidism

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Chuck83

Fluoride It is an excipient of many antidepressants and medicine, also vaccines contain fluoride. For allopathic medicine the fluoride is a simple excipient that does not create damage, instead for Holistic medicine it is a highly poisoning component that need to detoxify.

For a people who write this page fluorinated can also have a role in the genesis of PSSD, but it is only a speculation since he is does not cite scientific texts, and not by any evidence of what he says:

 

http://eng.anarchopedia.org/Post-SSRI_Sexual_Dysfunction

 

Most of the SSRI chemicals are fluorinated or chlorinated, which means that the enzymes within the human body cannot break them down. That allows SSRIs to accumulate in the body at a high concentration, which is in large part responsible for PSSD. Fluoxetine and paroxetine are fluorinated, whereas sertraline is chlorinated.

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Daisy1

I think the acids in these drugs are the cause of many problems. The acids are known to affect with calcium levels in the blood. Just look at what they do our skin. I guess people with certain genetics or a weak BBB, immune system or thyroid cannot produce enzymes to break it down leading to a whole host of problems. I am going to get my calcium, pth and phosphorus levels checked.

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compsports

Having had two teeth extracted earlier this year, I was definitely concerned about not losing any more and did extensive research on whether fluoride or fluoride free toothpaste were the best options.  I decided that a combination of xylitol and fluoride would work the best as they did different things to protect teeth.   My last checkup went very well so I think I am on the right track.

 

As I previously mentioned, I agree with Alto's position.   But everyone has to decide for themselves what makes sense.

 

CS

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Chuck83

I remember My Mom when I was child give me a supplement with floride for reinforce the teeth, Lol.

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Daisy1

I seem to have experienced all symptons of fluoride toxicty.

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Altostrata

There are chemicals in psychiatric drugs that are much more dangerous than the few molecules of fluoride. Fluoride in psychiatric drugs is probably among the least toxic ingredients in them.

 

We do not recommend purging, cleansing, or otherwise detoxifying during tapering or withdrawal syndrome. The body and nervous system have enough to handle without the stress of probably unnecessary detoxification rituals.

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Jtalweezy

TL:DR 

 

there are a lot of posts here accurately hitting the nail on the head when it comes to fluoride and some that miss the mark.

 

Not to derail anyone, but I believe Sodium Fluoride is a main ingredient in the manufacturing of atomic bombs?. Hence the US massive supply at the end of the cold war and ww2.?

 

Ironically enough, hitler used fluoride in the water at the concentration camps. The nazi scientists at the time did quite a bit of human testing and illegal (geneva convention breaking stuff) research on humans.

 

To top that off, anyone can easily google “operation paperclip”. Following this event we the US began adding flouride to the water.  (Crazy conspiracy theorist coincidence? Maybe).
 

all the research and info on fluoride is that it is a really bad halogen. For the body.  It has no benefits in the body other than sparkling white teeth. Gotta be honest though, Id rather have my teeth falling out than be dumbed down by drinking floruidnated water daily coupled with the massive health issues that come with any bad halogen being introduced to the body. I wonder what happens to your genes over a few generations when you have consumed a chemical that causes your thyroid to misfire? Genetic abnormalities in future off spring? Potentially!

 

for those of you having thyroid issues, it is almost 100% linked in some way to your consumption of fluoride. Get some nascent iodine or any kind if iodine supplement. Iodine helps the body create thyroid hormones which regulates everything in the body. The thyroid is like your engine management system in your car. It makes sure you have the right mixtures of everything (from a chemical standpoint) so your organs and body can remain healthy.

 

some extra research on thyroid issues shows what happens when a thyroid starts to malfunction. Hmmm. So many correlations with health issues in people that live around belerus or chrynobyl as those who have been exposed to high levels flouride at early stages of their life.

 

id also like to add, dental fluorosis is actually a thing. So many its not so great for the teeth after all?
 

I read parts of the Drs letter, and she is on to some really good stuff and good points about mental health and flouride  correlations. Very interesting stuff! 
 

Mind the spelling errors. Autocorrect was broken and i didnt want to close the window for fear my post would be obliterated in the refresh.

 

thanks!

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