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Hi all,
 
After getting so much help from reading through this forum i decided to join, introduce myself and tell my story. Maybe it can help someone?
 
My english is not that good, so i apologize in advance.
 
All my life i have been a poor sleeper but otherwise healthy. A few years back i was in an accident and went through two surgeries within a month. Both unsuccessful. My chances of competing in my sport where gone.
 
Pain from the surgeries left me unable to sleep. Where put on mirtazapine 30mg for sleep which worked only slightly for one week. Put on stronger pain meds and also given antihistamines and then also Zopiclone. A year in this tinnitus first in one ear, then in both. Tinnitus is not a helpful combo with insomnia! The meds destroyed my health. Now had postrual hypertension, periods of tackykardia and other heart problems. IBS. Knee problems. Back pain. Dizzyness. And also anxiety and panic attacks. My god, never had those before! How absolutely awful. Could not believe people when they told me I'm having a panic attack. "I don't have anxiety. I'm dying." 
Don't know if tinnitus came from the pain meds or zopiclone or mirtazapine.
 
Feeling more and more poisoned I stopped the pain meds. Decided that pain is only pain. Wont die from pain but I believed the pain meds would be my death. Also started taper the other drugs. Found this forum around this time and started to understand that it was these drugs that where making me sick.
 
Having managed to taper of zopiclone one and a half year back, the insomnia and all other side effects from mirtazapine and zopiclone withdrawal made it impossible for me to work full time. Due to all the side effects of mirtazapine i also started a taper for this and managed to get to about 7.5 mg. Side effects much lower now i managed to get back to some exercising and was running again, 4-5 times a week, strength training 2 times. Sleep was about 4-5 hours.
 
Late autumn/winter last year i got a bad wave of WD and felt terribly sick somehow and my insomnia got real bad. 11 days with only 6 hours of sleep. Hospitalized. Blood works where ok, little low in calcium only. They figured my problems where stress related which i did not believe, and upped all my meds, tried new ones, and messed me up more. Got real bad reactions from some of them. Managed to get out after 10 days by lying about how much i slept. Got hocked on zopiclone again then and where sleeping 2-3 hours. Got hold of a nice non PDoc who checked my vit D level and found I was deficient, and after supplementing for a few weeks my sleep increased by aprox 2 hours per night. Felt quite much better, and the general felling sick thing lessened. Went from an average of 2-3 hour to about 4-5 hours of sleep. Not a lot but for me a big difference. Back to my previous amount of sleep and i was able to resume tapering again. Now from the beginning, 45 mg mirtazapine and 7,5 mg zopiclone. 
 
Tapered mirtazapine first very slowly but the zopiclone stopped working and I got increasing terrible inter dose withdrawal. Nausea, vomiting, tremor, dizziness, fainting, feeling very sick daytime. Felt like a heroin addict in withdrawal.
 
Put the mirtazapine taper on hold at 2.5 mg and tapered zopiclone quite fast. My last zopiclone dose a few days back. Feel better. Sleep is not. Do think that the vitamin d keeps me from total insomnia!
 
I feel confident though that I will feel better in a few weeks when the worst of zopiclone wd has settled.
 
Planing for the upcoming mirtazapine taper. Are going to take it ridiculously slow.
 
My words of wisdom:
 
- Don't think about tapering as a success or failure thing, a max dose to zero thing. Every lower dose you are on is another success. Every new reduction is a new taper and a new possibility for success.
 
- Holding, or uppdosing is not a failure, its bedding for another successful reduction.
 
- Mirtazapine taper needs to be done in 4 week steps. Insomnia can hit three weeks after a dose change!
 
- Anxiety and insomnia always have both an biological and cognitive component. Try non drug alternatives to help with the cognitive aspect of anxiety and insomnia. They can be quite helpful!
 
- Have your vitamin D level checked! Deficiency can mimic WD. Correct level is >40 ng/ml. For sleep 60-80 ng/ml might be even better! You can only get your vitamin D from the sun or from supplements. Vitamin D in milk and fish is way, way to little. Humans is supposed to be outdoors, near the equator, in the sun, wearing a loincloth. Google "Stasha Gominak vitamin d sleep" for latest info about vitamin d and sleep/insomnia.
 
/Wulfgar
 
 
 
 

2010: Mirtazapine 30mg followed by Zopiclone 7.5 mg for sleep post surgery due to pain.
2012-> Tapering Mirtazapine and Zopiclone at different rates unsuccessfully.
2013: Hospitalized 10 days due to complete Insomnia. Forced back up to 45mg Mirtazapine, 7.5 mg Zopiclone and also Theralene 1 ml.
2013-03: Lab showed Vitamin D deficient. Found the vitamin d and insomnia connection. Supplementing vitamin d. Sleep improved by 1-2 hours
2013-04: Dropped mirtazapine to 30 due to severe side effects. Quit Theralene. Zopiclone 7.5.
2013-05 - 2013-11: Mirtazapine taper monthly 25 20 15 11 8 4 2.5 mg
2013-12 Holding M at 2.5. Need to taper Zopiclone due to daytime nausea and vomiting. Taper zopiclone 1/4 red every 5 d. Last Z 2013-12-19
2013-12-31 M:2.5. Reinstated Zopiclone 3.75 due to Insomnia
2014-01-06 M:2.5. Taper Z 1.9 ... 2014-01-14 M:2.5. Z 1 mg.
Jumped of Zopiclone 01-20. Jumped mirtazapine 02-16.

Theralene: 10mg 02-09. 8mg 03-09. 5mg 03-15. 4mg 03-24. 3mg 04-08. Jumped 04-21.
Zopiclone free for 251 days. Mirtazapine free for 224 days.

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Hi Wulfgar, welcome to SA. You English is excellent.  It is great that you are determined to get off

the drugs that are making you sick, well done with the research! 

 

The thing that I am wondering is that the withdrawal you are experiencing is actually from the

mirtazapine taper rather than the zopiclone. It can happen during a taper that is too fast. 

Things seem to be going fine then suddenly withdrawal appears! 

 

I don't know very much about mirtazapine or zopiclone specifically but I do know that a taper 

that is too fast causes some distressing withdrawal symptoms. You have had a lot of med

changes which will  have had an effect on your CNS.

Personally, I would stick with zopiclone for now and slightly updose the mirtazapine, or hold

as you are doing. then see if the withdrawal settles. If it IS withdrawal from the mitazapine

and you taper too fast from zopiclone you could be in for a very uncomfortable time with

withdrawal and set yourself back  quite a bit. 

 

It would be good if you could put your drug history in your signature line, it will appear at the 

bottom of every post. Here's how to do that.http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/893-please-put-your-withdrawal-history-in-your-signature/

 

It's good to have you here, I'm sure you will one day be one of our success stories!

**I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge.

 

 

Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem)

1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat

2002  effexor. 

Tapered  March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads.

Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013

Restarted taper  Nov 2013  

OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015    :D 

Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014

 

Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg  

 July 2017 30mg.  May 15 2018 25mg

Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. 

 

My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33

 

Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible

 

 

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Welcome, wulfgar.

 

Very sorry you're going through this. Thank you for joining us.

 

Many people do well with fish oil and magnesium supplements, seehttp://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/36-king-of-supplements-omega-3-fatty-acids-fish-oil/http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1300-magnesium-natures-calcium-channel-blocker/ 

Magnesium might help your sleep, too. Low magnesium is something that doesn't show up in blood tests.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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Thanks Altostrata, mammaP and Nikki!

 

Altostrata: I will give Magnesium a try. Seems it is quite risk free in regards to side effects and WD symptoms.

 

mammaP: I will uppdose mirtazapine slightly, to 3,5 mg and hold for a month or two. Thanks! It can be very hard to know from which drug the symptoms come from. I wish there where only one drug to cope with.

 

I really think its the zopiclone that is the culprit on why i became gradually more ill daytime. I tried a sliver from a zopiclone pill daytime when i felt the worst ill and got rapid improvement on my symptoms. Nausea and vomiting went away in just 15 minutes. Remember thinking how terribly dangerous this drug is. I believe the knowledge from this forum saved me from starting to use this drug daytime also. The Zopiclone is a super fast acting bezodiazapine with only a 6 hour half life.

 

I think zopiclone cant be mixed with water either. The taste will make you puke. I had to crush the pills and select sizes i believe fit my taper plan. In my country you can not get a valium crossover to help with tapering or withdrawal. I asked the PDocs for this. Each time I had an appointment i ended up with several SSRI add pamphlets with pictures of happy people. They wanted me to add at least one more SSRI from a list of aripiprazole, lyrica, zoloft and several others. I have prescriptions for benzos rohypnol, alprazolam, and lots of different SSRI:s. I took one alprazolam and it was terrible. Couldn't sleep, couldn't think, zombiefied! I know i cant take these meds. It would probably kill me or make me suicidal. I wonder where the PDoctors got their license from? A shaman or voodoo practitioner would probably do a better job!!

 

Still, i manage to keep myself positive, and i think i will continue to become slowly better and better. I think any day now, i will have energy enough to start with daily walks outdoors.

 

Planing the taper, documenting my sleep and how i feel, gives me hope. I can se statistical positive trends in all this. Reading about how i felt last year when i was hospitalized makes me think that I'm not all that bad right now.

 

I think also my body has adapted somewhat to all those years of lack of sleep. Had 2.5 hours this night in two chunks, and I'm not all that bad of.

 

I'm rambling now... Feels very good to write about this though, and trying to get the spelling and grammar right keeps my mind busy.

2010: Mirtazapine 30mg followed by Zopiclone 7.5 mg for sleep post surgery due to pain.
2012-> Tapering Mirtazapine and Zopiclone at different rates unsuccessfully.
2013: Hospitalized 10 days due to complete Insomnia. Forced back up to 45mg Mirtazapine, 7.5 mg Zopiclone and also Theralene 1 ml.
2013-03: Lab showed Vitamin D deficient. Found the vitamin d and insomnia connection. Supplementing vitamin d. Sleep improved by 1-2 hours
2013-04: Dropped mirtazapine to 30 due to severe side effects. Quit Theralene. Zopiclone 7.5.
2013-05 - 2013-11: Mirtazapine taper monthly 25 20 15 11 8 4 2.5 mg
2013-12 Holding M at 2.5. Need to taper Zopiclone due to daytime nausea and vomiting. Taper zopiclone 1/4 red every 5 d. Last Z 2013-12-19
2013-12-31 M:2.5. Reinstated Zopiclone 3.75 due to Insomnia
2014-01-06 M:2.5. Taper Z 1.9 ... 2014-01-14 M:2.5. Z 1 mg.
Jumped of Zopiclone 01-20. Jumped mirtazapine 02-16.

Theralene: 10mg 02-09. 8mg 03-09. 5mg 03-15. 4mg 03-24. 3mg 04-08. Jumped 04-21.
Zopiclone free for 251 days. Mirtazapine free for 224 days.

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Yes, that sounds like you are getting rebound symptoms from zopiclone.

 

If I were you, I'd avoid any other psychiatric drugs. Stop asking for Valium, they might think you're an addict. A direct taper from zopiclone is safer.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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Thanks Altostrata for confirming my conclusion about Zopiclone!

 

I have quit permanently asking questions from any doctor about their drugs. What they know isn't much more than what is written in the pamphlet that comes with the drugs.

2010: Mirtazapine 30mg followed by Zopiclone 7.5 mg for sleep post surgery due to pain.
2012-> Tapering Mirtazapine and Zopiclone at different rates unsuccessfully.
2013: Hospitalized 10 days due to complete Insomnia. Forced back up to 45mg Mirtazapine, 7.5 mg Zopiclone and also Theralene 1 ml.
2013-03: Lab showed Vitamin D deficient. Found the vitamin d and insomnia connection. Supplementing vitamin d. Sleep improved by 1-2 hours
2013-04: Dropped mirtazapine to 30 due to severe side effects. Quit Theralene. Zopiclone 7.5.
2013-05 - 2013-11: Mirtazapine taper monthly 25 20 15 11 8 4 2.5 mg
2013-12 Holding M at 2.5. Need to taper Zopiclone due to daytime nausea and vomiting. Taper zopiclone 1/4 red every 5 d. Last Z 2013-12-19
2013-12-31 M:2.5. Reinstated Zopiclone 3.75 due to Insomnia
2014-01-06 M:2.5. Taper Z 1.9 ... 2014-01-14 M:2.5. Z 1 mg.
Jumped of Zopiclone 01-20. Jumped mirtazapine 02-16.

Theralene: 10mg 02-09. 8mg 03-09. 5mg 03-15. 4mg 03-24. 3mg 04-08. Jumped 04-21.
Zopiclone free for 251 days. Mirtazapine free for 224 days.

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That's more than they know in the US!

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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And the UK!! 

**I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge.

 

 

Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem)

1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat

2002  effexor. 

Tapered  March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads.

Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013

Restarted taper  Nov 2013  

OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015    :D 

Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014

 

Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg  

 July 2017 30mg.  May 15 2018 25mg

Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. 

 

My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33

 

Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible

 

 

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7 nights without zopiclone. sleep still bad, 2-3 hours, but i manage. If this is the worst, then I'l won this fight! Daytime nausea, vomiting, sick feeling completely gone now. Replaced by a little anxiety. Want to go for a walk but dare not. Afraid of that darn cortisol and adrenaline running out through my ears, no sleep all night, kinda thingie!

Santa wasn't that nice. Would think going though all this would given me something nice!? Got socks, casserole glass lids and a tie.:-(

2010: Mirtazapine 30mg followed by Zopiclone 7.5 mg for sleep post surgery due to pain.
2012-> Tapering Mirtazapine and Zopiclone at different rates unsuccessfully.
2013: Hospitalized 10 days due to complete Insomnia. Forced back up to 45mg Mirtazapine, 7.5 mg Zopiclone and also Theralene 1 ml.
2013-03: Lab showed Vitamin D deficient. Found the vitamin d and insomnia connection. Supplementing vitamin d. Sleep improved by 1-2 hours
2013-04: Dropped mirtazapine to 30 due to severe side effects. Quit Theralene. Zopiclone 7.5.
2013-05 - 2013-11: Mirtazapine taper monthly 25 20 15 11 8 4 2.5 mg
2013-12 Holding M at 2.5. Need to taper Zopiclone due to daytime nausea and vomiting. Taper zopiclone 1/4 red every 5 d. Last Z 2013-12-19
2013-12-31 M:2.5. Reinstated Zopiclone 3.75 due to Insomnia
2014-01-06 M:2.5. Taper Z 1.9 ... 2014-01-14 M:2.5. Z 1 mg.
Jumped of Zopiclone 01-20. Jumped mirtazapine 02-16.

Theralene: 10mg 02-09. 8mg 03-09. 5mg 03-15. 4mg 03-24. 3mg 04-08. Jumped 04-21.
Zopiclone free for 251 days. Mirtazapine free for 224 days.

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I got a book in the eye and and an eyepatch. Santa was nice to you :)

08 Cipralex 10mg for about 6 months. 11-12 Cipralex 20mg. Unsuccesful WD. 12-13 Zoloft 100mg with Diazepam 10-20mg as needed for anxiety.
Fall 13 Tapering Zoloft 100->50->25->12,5->0 in 2,5 months and CT Diazepam. 12/24/13 RI Zoloft 12,5mg
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1/21/14 11mg

3/18/14 9,9mg

2/18/14 8mg

4/22/14 7,6mg

5/5/14 7,2mg

5/12/14 -> cutting 0,5mg per week, holding when necessary.

8/18/14 -> cutting 0,25mg per week holding when necessary.

10/20/2014 -> cutting 0,1mg per week, holding when necessary.
12/28/2014 Jump!

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Aj, aj. Santa is a fiend wearing camoflage. Beware kids, he is grooming you! Im going to give him back for the casserole glass lids and your eye next year, thats a promise!

 

Hope your eye gets better soon! Once got an LP record thrown in my eye by a girlfriend. Had a blury eye for a few days.

2010: Mirtazapine 30mg followed by Zopiclone 7.5 mg for sleep post surgery due to pain.
2012-> Tapering Mirtazapine and Zopiclone at different rates unsuccessfully.
2013: Hospitalized 10 days due to complete Insomnia. Forced back up to 45mg Mirtazapine, 7.5 mg Zopiclone and also Theralene 1 ml.
2013-03: Lab showed Vitamin D deficient. Found the vitamin d and insomnia connection. Supplementing vitamin d. Sleep improved by 1-2 hours
2013-04: Dropped mirtazapine to 30 due to severe side effects. Quit Theralene. Zopiclone 7.5.
2013-05 - 2013-11: Mirtazapine taper monthly 25 20 15 11 8 4 2.5 mg
2013-12 Holding M at 2.5. Need to taper Zopiclone due to daytime nausea and vomiting. Taper zopiclone 1/4 red every 5 d. Last Z 2013-12-19
2013-12-31 M:2.5. Reinstated Zopiclone 3.75 due to Insomnia
2014-01-06 M:2.5. Taper Z 1.9 ... 2014-01-14 M:2.5. Z 1 mg.
Jumped of Zopiclone 01-20. Jumped mirtazapine 02-16.

Theralene: 10mg 02-09. 8mg 03-09. 5mg 03-15. 4mg 03-24. 3mg 04-08. Jumped 04-21.
Zopiclone free for 251 days. Mirtazapine free for 224 days.

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:lol: @ you two! 

 

Hope you are both feeling better soon, thankfully all this is temporary  and will pass. 

A walk would be good Wulfgar, what is it you are afraid of? 

**I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge.

 

 

Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem)

1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat

2002  effexor. 

Tapered  March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads.

Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013

Restarted taper  Nov 2013  

OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015    :D 

Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014

 

Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg  

 July 2017 30mg.  May 15 2018 25mg

Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. 

 

My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33

 

Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible

 

 

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When i go for walks or do something physical i get blood pressure spikes, dizziness , chest pain, tachycardia, feel faint. A little like an anxiety attack. Lying down gets my blood pressure back to 120/80 and heartrate back to 68-70 bbp. After that i end up in bed, lots of cortisol and adrenaline feel. Usually then also unable to sleep for the rest of the night. I have been to doctors and they did their EEG stuff and the heart attack enzymes stuff and nothing. I have taken my blood pressure when walking and the symptoms is at its worst. usually the diastolic pressure is 100-110 and systolic is 120-140. Had 120/110 once, hr 125, when standing still. God awful dizziness.

 

Its like a Chronic fatigue syndrome kind of a problem. I have to pace myself hard. I've had several periods of this the last three or four years, but can be ok in between. Periods of maybe 2-4 months followed by very slowly being able to walk and exercise again. I'm currently connecting this to zopiclone inter dose withdrawal and withdrawal. Or maybe mirtazapine. I don't know what else it can be! Doctors don't either but thats nothing new. Im thinking the drugs messes up the cortisol system. This makes the system that controls water retention go bonkers and gives hypovolymia. So, when i'm up and about, i think i get to much blood in my legs and abdomen, brain gets to little, and needs to up regulate blood pressure and heart rate to compensate. This up regulation it does through adrenalin and cortisol. voila! Anxiety and stress symptoms.

 

Im no doctor but i have had some serious thinking about this. Hypovolymia idea came from the fact that i can not ride elevators without fainting when it brakes at the bottom. Also drinking water with salt in it makes the symptoms better. Another clue in this is that just prior onset and during the worst time i'l have to pee all the time. if i drink one glass of water, i have to pee one.

 

oh, did you open a can of worms with that question! :-)

 

Anyhows. I do what i can, pace myself and ride it out. Resting the symptoms is kept at bay. I feel like i'm on the mend right now so i will start taking small daily walks any day now and they will probably be fine.

2010: Mirtazapine 30mg followed by Zopiclone 7.5 mg for sleep post surgery due to pain.
2012-> Tapering Mirtazapine and Zopiclone at different rates unsuccessfully.
2013: Hospitalized 10 days due to complete Insomnia. Forced back up to 45mg Mirtazapine, 7.5 mg Zopiclone and also Theralene 1 ml.
2013-03: Lab showed Vitamin D deficient. Found the vitamin d and insomnia connection. Supplementing vitamin d. Sleep improved by 1-2 hours
2013-04: Dropped mirtazapine to 30 due to severe side effects. Quit Theralene. Zopiclone 7.5.
2013-05 - 2013-11: Mirtazapine taper monthly 25 20 15 11 8 4 2.5 mg
2013-12 Holding M at 2.5. Need to taper Zopiclone due to daytime nausea and vomiting. Taper zopiclone 1/4 red every 5 d. Last Z 2013-12-19
2013-12-31 M:2.5. Reinstated Zopiclone 3.75 due to Insomnia
2014-01-06 M:2.5. Taper Z 1.9 ... 2014-01-14 M:2.5. Z 1 mg.
Jumped of Zopiclone 01-20. Jumped mirtazapine 02-16.

Theralene: 10mg 02-09. 8mg 03-09. 5mg 03-15. 4mg 03-24. 3mg 04-08. Jumped 04-21.
Zopiclone free for 251 days. Mirtazapine free for 224 days.

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That all sounds very unpleasant  :( . Gently does it, little steps and build up gradually. It's easy to 

go for a walk when feeling better but go too far and you lose the benefit of it.  

 

I hope you get a window very soon.  In case you haven't seen the windows and waves topic, here's

the link. it's a good read. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/82-the-windows-and-waves-pattern-of-recovery/

**I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge.

 

 

Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem)

1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat

2002  effexor. 

Tapered  March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads.

Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013

Restarted taper  Nov 2013  

OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015    :D 

Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014

 

Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg  

 July 2017 30mg.  May 15 2018 25mg

Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. 

 

My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33

 

Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible

 

 

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Well, GiaK, a major survivor on this website, recommended a book that has helped me understand withdrawal better. It's an ebook called Unravelling CFS. Not that you have CFS, but the effect on the autonomic nervous system is quite similar. Anyway, he recommends walking early in the day to avoid interference with sleep and making sure your pulse doesn't go above 100 during the walk, no matter how slow you have to go.

1st round Prozac 1989/90, clear depression symptoms. 2nd round Prozac started 1999 when admitted to dr. I was tired. Prozac pooped out, switch to Cymbalta 3/2006. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder due to mania 6/2006--then I was taken abruptly off Cymbalta and didn't know I had SSRI withdrawal. Lots of meds for my intractable "bipolar" symptoms.

Zyprexa started about 9/06, mostly 5mg. Tapered 4/12 through12/29/12

Wellbutrin. XL 300 mg started 1/07, tapered 1/18/13 through 7/8/13

Oxazepam mostly continuously since 6/06, 30mg since 12/12, tapered 1.17.14 through 8.26.15

11/06 Lithium 600mg twice daily, 2.2.14 400mg TID DIY liquid, 2.12.14 1150mg, 3.2.14 1100mg, 3.18.14 1075mg, 4/14 updose to 1100mg, 6.1.14 900 mg capsules 7.8.14 810mg, 8.17.14 725mg, 8.24.24 700mg...10.22.14 487.5mg, 3.9.15 475mg, 4.1.15 462.5mg 4.21.15 450mg 8.11.15 375mg, 11.28.15 362.5mg, back to 375mg four days later, 3.4.16 updose to 475 (too much going on to risk trouble)

9/4/13 Toprol-XL 25mg daily for sudden hypertension, tapered 11.12.13 through 5.3.14, last 10 days or so switched to atenolol

7.4.14 Started Walsh Protocol

56 years old

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After three nights with only 3 hour in total i failed.

 

This night, fell asleep after three hours in bed. Woke up after 1 hour of sleep at 1 am. Lay awake to 4 am. Decided then that i need to break this, could not take the insomnia no more, took half a zopiclone pill. At 5 am, no sleep, took the rest of the pill. Fell asleep for 3 more hours.

 

So what to do tonight? Thinking about taking 1/4 or 1/2 a pill and no more even if I don't get any sleep. its like damned if i do, damned if i don't.

 

Mentally I'm ok, just a tiny bitt of anxiety daytime, which I hold at bay by deep breathing, ignoring, and mentally reinforcement that there is nothing going on but withdrawal. no depression or stuff. Just awfully exhausted! My brain feels like its in a muscle cramp like situation.

 

Not good at driving my car right now. Will not be driving till i get more hours of sleep!

2010: Mirtazapine 30mg followed by Zopiclone 7.5 mg for sleep post surgery due to pain.
2012-> Tapering Mirtazapine and Zopiclone at different rates unsuccessfully.
2013: Hospitalized 10 days due to complete Insomnia. Forced back up to 45mg Mirtazapine, 7.5 mg Zopiclone and also Theralene 1 ml.
2013-03: Lab showed Vitamin D deficient. Found the vitamin d and insomnia connection. Supplementing vitamin d. Sleep improved by 1-2 hours
2013-04: Dropped mirtazapine to 30 due to severe side effects. Quit Theralene. Zopiclone 7.5.
2013-05 - 2013-11: Mirtazapine taper monthly 25 20 15 11 8 4 2.5 mg
2013-12 Holding M at 2.5. Need to taper Zopiclone due to daytime nausea and vomiting. Taper zopiclone 1/4 red every 5 d. Last Z 2013-12-19
2013-12-31 M:2.5. Reinstated Zopiclone 3.75 due to Insomnia
2014-01-06 M:2.5. Taper Z 1.9 ... 2014-01-14 M:2.5. Z 1 mg.
Jumped of Zopiclone 01-20. Jumped mirtazapine 02-16.

Theralene: 10mg 02-09. 8mg 03-09. 5mg 03-15. 4mg 03-24. 3mg 04-08. Jumped 04-21.
Zopiclone free for 251 days. Mirtazapine free for 224 days.

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It seems you might have reduced zopiclone too fast.

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It does, doesn't it! And its said again and again by every one including me not to, still i did. I'm so disappointed with myself! Even though inter dose withdrawal is bad, not sleeping is worse! Or everything is worse!

2010: Mirtazapine 30mg followed by Zopiclone 7.5 mg for sleep post surgery due to pain.
2012-> Tapering Mirtazapine and Zopiclone at different rates unsuccessfully.
2013: Hospitalized 10 days due to complete Insomnia. Forced back up to 45mg Mirtazapine, 7.5 mg Zopiclone and also Theralene 1 ml.
2013-03: Lab showed Vitamin D deficient. Found the vitamin d and insomnia connection. Supplementing vitamin d. Sleep improved by 1-2 hours
2013-04: Dropped mirtazapine to 30 due to severe side effects. Quit Theralene. Zopiclone 7.5.
2013-05 - 2013-11: Mirtazapine taper monthly 25 20 15 11 8 4 2.5 mg
2013-12 Holding M at 2.5. Need to taper Zopiclone due to daytime nausea and vomiting. Taper zopiclone 1/4 red every 5 d. Last Z 2013-12-19
2013-12-31 M:2.5. Reinstated Zopiclone 3.75 due to Insomnia
2014-01-06 M:2.5. Taper Z 1.9 ... 2014-01-14 M:2.5. Z 1 mg.
Jumped of Zopiclone 01-20. Jumped mirtazapine 02-16.

Theralene: 10mg 02-09. 8mg 03-09. 5mg 03-15. 4mg 03-24. 3mg 04-08. Jumped 04-21.
Zopiclone free for 251 days. Mirtazapine free for 224 days.

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Im sorry your going threw this! If it makes you feel better your not alone Im in the same position tapered to fast once swore I wouldn't do it again and here we go again :-)

Lexapro 1 1/8 mg and 10 mg Propranolol. I jumped down to 2.5 mg lexapro from 5 mg on oct 2 where I had been for 7 months and went from 2.5 mg to 1 1/8 mg not sure when maybe around nov 2 went back up to 2.5 mg December 30 . May 13 small cut lexapro 2.5 mg down to 2.4 mg 9/4/14 dropped 8.33% to 2.2 mg 10/13/14 dropped to 2mg lexapro. Back up to 2.2 mg 10/15/14. Dropped to 2 mg lexapro 11/26/14. Dropped 10% to 1.8 mg lexapro 1/11/15. 2/23/15 . Cut of 5%.

3/11/15 cut of 5% 5/3/15 cut of 5% 6/3/15 cut of 5% 7/19/15 cut of 5%. Continued small cuts of 5% every six weeks or so untill October 8th 2016 ,last dose . Last dose was 0.8mg. Currently taking 10 mg propranolol in the afternoon. 1400mg fish oil. 250 mg magnesium, 250 mg L-Taurine, 500 mg Tumeric. 40 mg Zocore simvistatin.

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Thanks! There are so many things driving the taper wish/motivation and almost nothing holding back. (Except after the taper mistake.)

 

I need a mantra list of go slow arguments that i can repeat during the day and print out and glue to all pill canisters.

2010: Mirtazapine 30mg followed by Zopiclone 7.5 mg for sleep post surgery due to pain.
2012-> Tapering Mirtazapine and Zopiclone at different rates unsuccessfully.
2013: Hospitalized 10 days due to complete Insomnia. Forced back up to 45mg Mirtazapine, 7.5 mg Zopiclone and also Theralene 1 ml.
2013-03: Lab showed Vitamin D deficient. Found the vitamin d and insomnia connection. Supplementing vitamin d. Sleep improved by 1-2 hours
2013-04: Dropped mirtazapine to 30 due to severe side effects. Quit Theralene. Zopiclone 7.5.
2013-05 - 2013-11: Mirtazapine taper monthly 25 20 15 11 8 4 2.5 mg
2013-12 Holding M at 2.5. Need to taper Zopiclone due to daytime nausea and vomiting. Taper zopiclone 1/4 red every 5 d. Last Z 2013-12-19
2013-12-31 M:2.5. Reinstated Zopiclone 3.75 due to Insomnia
2014-01-06 M:2.5. Taper Z 1.9 ... 2014-01-14 M:2.5. Z 1 mg.
Jumped of Zopiclone 01-20. Jumped mirtazapine 02-16.

Theralene: 10mg 02-09. 8mg 03-09. 5mg 03-15. 4mg 03-24. 3mg 04-08. Jumped 04-21.
Zopiclone free for 251 days. Mirtazapine free for 224 days.

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Reinstated Zopiclone at 3 mg. Might be a little more than necessary but needed sleep badly. Slept 4 hours followed by 6 hours this night. Am functional again. Nauseous and more anxiety in the day.

 

Tinnitus is going haywire though, not in intensity but new notes and some morse code again. Its not playing a chord either, that would have been nice! I wish for a F mayor. Not a Asus4minor7dim... spread on several octaves with a child going nuts on a single note on the xylophone. Don't want that! And the guy with the metal grinder, he can really go and die, please!

 

Going to taper down a bit on Zopiclone each night till i reach my usual non normal normal 3-4 hours of sleep and micro taper from there.

 

Hope you all are doing ok on this new fine year!

2010: Mirtazapine 30mg followed by Zopiclone 7.5 mg for sleep post surgery due to pain.
2012-> Tapering Mirtazapine and Zopiclone at different rates unsuccessfully.
2013: Hospitalized 10 days due to complete Insomnia. Forced back up to 45mg Mirtazapine, 7.5 mg Zopiclone and also Theralene 1 ml.
2013-03: Lab showed Vitamin D deficient. Found the vitamin d and insomnia connection. Supplementing vitamin d. Sleep improved by 1-2 hours
2013-04: Dropped mirtazapine to 30 due to severe side effects. Quit Theralene. Zopiclone 7.5.
2013-05 - 2013-11: Mirtazapine taper monthly 25 20 15 11 8 4 2.5 mg
2013-12 Holding M at 2.5. Need to taper Zopiclone due to daytime nausea and vomiting. Taper zopiclone 1/4 red every 5 d. Last Z 2013-12-19
2013-12-31 M:2.5. Reinstated Zopiclone 3.75 due to Insomnia
2014-01-06 M:2.5. Taper Z 1.9 ... 2014-01-14 M:2.5. Z 1 mg.
Jumped of Zopiclone 01-20. Jumped mirtazapine 02-16.

Theralene: 10mg 02-09. 8mg 03-09. 5mg 03-15. 4mg 03-24. 3mg 04-08. Jumped 04-21.
Zopiclone free for 251 days. Mirtazapine free for 224 days.

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Glad you got some sleep at last Wulfgar. I managed a few hours yesterday and the difference is amazing,

just from a few short hours of much needed sleep. 

 

Can you write music? You could orchestrate your tinnitus and post it on youtube so everyone could hear just

how bad tinnitus can be for people!  ;)

**I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge.

 

 

Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem)

1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat

2002  effexor. 

Tapered  March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads.

Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013

Restarted taper  Nov 2013  

OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015    :D 

Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014

 

Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg  

 July 2017 30mg.  May 15 2018 25mg

Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. 

 

My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33

 

Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible

 

 

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Hmm. Maybe write something in Locrian mode, spaning several of the higher octaves, tweak it to be somewhat atonal, add a morse like beat patern from a single xylophone tone. Would certainly be unique! I will call it "Cry of the wolf, in g-ar minor"!

2010: Mirtazapine 30mg followed by Zopiclone 7.5 mg for sleep post surgery due to pain.
2012-> Tapering Mirtazapine and Zopiclone at different rates unsuccessfully.
2013: Hospitalized 10 days due to complete Insomnia. Forced back up to 45mg Mirtazapine, 7.5 mg Zopiclone and also Theralene 1 ml.
2013-03: Lab showed Vitamin D deficient. Found the vitamin d and insomnia connection. Supplementing vitamin d. Sleep improved by 1-2 hours
2013-04: Dropped mirtazapine to 30 due to severe side effects. Quit Theralene. Zopiclone 7.5.
2013-05 - 2013-11: Mirtazapine taper monthly 25 20 15 11 8 4 2.5 mg
2013-12 Holding M at 2.5. Need to taper Zopiclone due to daytime nausea and vomiting. Taper zopiclone 1/4 red every 5 d. Last Z 2013-12-19
2013-12-31 M:2.5. Reinstated Zopiclone 3.75 due to Insomnia
2014-01-06 M:2.5. Taper Z 1.9 ... 2014-01-14 M:2.5. Z 1 mg.
Jumped of Zopiclone 01-20. Jumped mirtazapine 02-16.

Theralene: 10mg 02-09. 8mg 03-09. 5mg 03-15. 4mg 03-24. 3mg 04-08. Jumped 04-21.
Zopiclone free for 251 days. Mirtazapine free for 224 days.

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:lol:

**I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge.

 

 

Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem)

1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat

2002  effexor. 

Tapered  March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads.

Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013

Restarted taper  Nov 2013  

OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015    :D 

Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014

 

Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg  

 July 2017 30mg.  May 15 2018 25mg

Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. 

 

My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33

 

Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible

 

 

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Well, I guess that's good to...uh...hear, wulfgar.

 

Are you taking magnesium glycinate at bedtime? It can help you relax.

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I had a magnesium with aspartame sweetener in it, took it during the day because of the swetener. Got a new type at the same time as the l-agrinine today. Could not find magnesium glycinate. Found Holistics magnesium in the forms of malate, citrate and lactate with no poison sweetener. Will have to find the glycine somewhere else. Will try 240 mg tonight.

2010: Mirtazapine 30mg followed by Zopiclone 7.5 mg for sleep post surgery due to pain.
2012-> Tapering Mirtazapine and Zopiclone at different rates unsuccessfully.
2013: Hospitalized 10 days due to complete Insomnia. Forced back up to 45mg Mirtazapine, 7.5 mg Zopiclone and also Theralene 1 ml.
2013-03: Lab showed Vitamin D deficient. Found the vitamin d and insomnia connection. Supplementing vitamin d. Sleep improved by 1-2 hours
2013-04: Dropped mirtazapine to 30 due to severe side effects. Quit Theralene. Zopiclone 7.5.
2013-05 - 2013-11: Mirtazapine taper monthly 25 20 15 11 8 4 2.5 mg
2013-12 Holding M at 2.5. Need to taper Zopiclone due to daytime nausea and vomiting. Taper zopiclone 1/4 red every 5 d. Last Z 2013-12-19
2013-12-31 M:2.5. Reinstated Zopiclone 3.75 due to Insomnia
2014-01-06 M:2.5. Taper Z 1.9 ... 2014-01-14 M:2.5. Z 1 mg.
Jumped of Zopiclone 01-20. Jumped mirtazapine 02-16.

Theralene: 10mg 02-09. 8mg 03-09. 5mg 03-15. 4mg 03-24. 3mg 04-08. Jumped 04-21.
Zopiclone free for 251 days. Mirtazapine free for 224 days.

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Could not find magnesium glycinate.

 

iHerb ships all around the world with very reasonable prices.

I'm not a doctor.  My comments are not medical advise. These are my opinions based on my own experience and what I've learned. Please discuss your situation with a medical practitioner who has knowledge of tapering and withdrawal...if you are lucky enough to find one.

My Introduction Thread

Full Drug and Withdrawal History

Brief Summary

Several SSRIs for 13 years starting 1997 (for mild to moderate partly situational anxiety) Xanax PRN ~ Various other drugs over the years for side effects

2 month 'taper' off Lexapro 2010

Short acute withdrawal, followed by 2 -3 months of improvement then delayed protracted withdrawal

DX ADHD followed by several years of stimulants and other drugs trying to manage increasing symptoms

Failed reinstatement of Lexapro and trial of Prozac (became suicidal)

May 2013 Found SA, learned about withdrawal, stopped taking drugs...healing begins.

Protracted withdrawal, with a very sensitized nervous system, slowly recovering as time passes

Supplements which have helped: Vitamin C, Magnesium, Taurine

Bad reactions: Many supplements but mostly fish oil and Vitamin D

June 2016 - Started daily juicing, mostly vegetables and lots of greens.

Aug 2016 - Oct 2016 Best window ever, felt almost completely recovered

Oct 2016 -Symptoms returned - bad days and less bad days.

April 2018 - No windows, but significant improvement, it feels like permanent full recovery is close.

VIDEO: Where did the chemical imbalance theory come from?



VIDEO: How are psychiatric diagnoses made?



VIDEO: Why do psychiatric drugs have withdrawal syndromes?



VIDEO: Can psychiatric drugs cause long-lasting negative effects?

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From personal experience, I can tell you mag glycinate is much easier on the gut.

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Will try to find magnesium glycinate then. My gut is not good right now!

2010: Mirtazapine 30mg followed by Zopiclone 7.5 mg for sleep post surgery due to pain.
2012-> Tapering Mirtazapine and Zopiclone at different rates unsuccessfully.
2013: Hospitalized 10 days due to complete Insomnia. Forced back up to 45mg Mirtazapine, 7.5 mg Zopiclone and also Theralene 1 ml.
2013-03: Lab showed Vitamin D deficient. Found the vitamin d and insomnia connection. Supplementing vitamin d. Sleep improved by 1-2 hours
2013-04: Dropped mirtazapine to 30 due to severe side effects. Quit Theralene. Zopiclone 7.5.
2013-05 - 2013-11: Mirtazapine taper monthly 25 20 15 11 8 4 2.5 mg
2013-12 Holding M at 2.5. Need to taper Zopiclone due to daytime nausea and vomiting. Taper zopiclone 1/4 red every 5 d. Last Z 2013-12-19
2013-12-31 M:2.5. Reinstated Zopiclone 3.75 due to Insomnia
2014-01-06 M:2.5. Taper Z 1.9 ... 2014-01-14 M:2.5. Z 1 mg.
Jumped of Zopiclone 01-20. Jumped mirtazapine 02-16.

Theralene: 10mg 02-09. 8mg 03-09. 5mg 03-15. 4mg 03-24. 3mg 04-08. Jumped 04-21.
Zopiclone free for 251 days. Mirtazapine free for 224 days.

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Have been sleeping ok, 4-5 hours. Dropped Zopiclone to 1.8 mg last night, and slept even better. Less nausea, little more anxiety today. Anxiety at most 5 of 10 so definitely manageable. Going to try to stay at 1.8 for two weeks now at least.

 

Taking magnesium with dinner now. Also started juicing green vegetables for breakfast a few days back hoping that they might work better than supplements and and maybe correct any nutritional imbalances. I don't feel any worsening of symptoms after drinking that awful tasting stuff so i will continue the experiment!

2010: Mirtazapine 30mg followed by Zopiclone 7.5 mg for sleep post surgery due to pain.
2012-> Tapering Mirtazapine and Zopiclone at different rates unsuccessfully.
2013: Hospitalized 10 days due to complete Insomnia. Forced back up to 45mg Mirtazapine, 7.5 mg Zopiclone and also Theralene 1 ml.
2013-03: Lab showed Vitamin D deficient. Found the vitamin d and insomnia connection. Supplementing vitamin d. Sleep improved by 1-2 hours
2013-04: Dropped mirtazapine to 30 due to severe side effects. Quit Theralene. Zopiclone 7.5.
2013-05 - 2013-11: Mirtazapine taper monthly 25 20 15 11 8 4 2.5 mg
2013-12 Holding M at 2.5. Need to taper Zopiclone due to daytime nausea and vomiting. Taper zopiclone 1/4 red every 5 d. Last Z 2013-12-19
2013-12-31 M:2.5. Reinstated Zopiclone 3.75 due to Insomnia
2014-01-06 M:2.5. Taper Z 1.9 ... 2014-01-14 M:2.5. Z 1 mg.
Jumped of Zopiclone 01-20. Jumped mirtazapine 02-16.

Theralene: 10mg 02-09. 8mg 03-09. 5mg 03-15. 4mg 03-24. 3mg 04-08. Jumped 04-21.
Zopiclone free for 251 days. Mirtazapine free for 224 days.

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Have you tried sound therapy to improve your sleep? Last night I could not sleep so I listened to music in bed. When I finally felt tired and less anxious I put my headphones on and listened to rain. I slept til noon. 

08 Cipralex 10mg for about 6 months. 11-12 Cipralex 20mg. Unsuccesful WD. 12-13 Zoloft 100mg with Diazepam 10-20mg as needed for anxiety.
Fall 13 Tapering Zoloft 100->50->25->12,5->0 in 2,5 months and CT Diazepam. 12/24/13 RI Zoloft 12,5mg
.

1/21/14 11mg

3/18/14 9,9mg

2/18/14 8mg

4/22/14 7,6mg

5/5/14 7,2mg

5/12/14 -> cutting 0,5mg per week, holding when necessary.

8/18/14 -> cutting 0,25mg per week holding when necessary.

10/20/2014 -> cutting 0,1mg per week, holding when necessary.
12/28/2014 Jump!

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That is great! So much of this is learning to endure discomfort without needing to respond emotionally. How many people off the street would say "I am doing okay" with those symptoms?

1st round Prozac 1989/90, clear depression symptoms. 2nd round Prozac started 1999 when admitted to dr. I was tired. Prozac pooped out, switch to Cymbalta 3/2006. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder due to mania 6/2006--then I was taken abruptly off Cymbalta and didn't know I had SSRI withdrawal. Lots of meds for my intractable "bipolar" symptoms.

Zyprexa started about 9/06, mostly 5mg. Tapered 4/12 through12/29/12

Wellbutrin. XL 300 mg started 1/07, tapered 1/18/13 through 7/8/13

Oxazepam mostly continuously since 6/06, 30mg since 12/12, tapered 1.17.14 through 8.26.15

11/06 Lithium 600mg twice daily, 2.2.14 400mg TID DIY liquid, 2.12.14 1150mg, 3.2.14 1100mg, 3.18.14 1075mg, 4/14 updose to 1100mg, 6.1.14 900 mg capsules 7.8.14 810mg, 8.17.14 725mg, 8.24.24 700mg...10.22.14 487.5mg, 3.9.15 475mg, 4.1.15 462.5mg 4.21.15 450mg 8.11.15 375mg, 11.28.15 362.5mg, back to 375mg four days later, 3.4.16 updose to 475 (too much going on to risk trouble)

9/4/13 Toprol-XL 25mg daily for sudden hypertension, tapered 11.12.13 through 5.3.14, last 10 days or so switched to atenolol

7.4.14 Started Walsh Protocol

56 years old

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I have tried different sounds during my travel through this nightmare. When tinnitus first started I was glued to my headphones, listening to white noise or rain. White noise to sleep. Tinnitus gave my anxiety a push through the roof. I have always had a problem with noise in that i cant sleep with any sounds or noise at all. Tinnitus is noise, ergo no sleep. I't almost drove me mad. I still use different kinds of noise daytime. Reading in the kitchen, with the fan on etc.

 

I never believed that i could get used to tinnitus, but in some ways I have. I have been somewhat lucky though that my tinnitus has stabilized somewhat now that I'm on lower doses of mirtazapine and zopiclone.

 

So, at nights, when tinnitus is stronger, I use white noise on my cell phone speaker, no headphones, at low volume to just mask my tinnitus, with a timer so that the white noise stops after one hour. When don't fall asleep I reset the timer for one more hour, and so on...

 

I use some good recorded rain sounds with nice views on youtube when meditating so that tinnitus does not disrupt.

 

Meimeiquest, you are so right! I remember saying to myself a while back; I'm not throwing up all day, i'm quite alright.

 

Moodyblues: do you have any favorite sounds, playlists, sound apps to recommend for sleep? It is always nice to try different sounds.

 

On my phone i use an app called SimplyNoise LITE. It has its own volume knob that works on top of the phones volume adjustment so you can find more levels of sound intensity by manipulating both. For me finding the absolute least amount of noise that cancel out the tinnitus is key.

2010: Mirtazapine 30mg followed by Zopiclone 7.5 mg for sleep post surgery due to pain.
2012-> Tapering Mirtazapine and Zopiclone at different rates unsuccessfully.
2013: Hospitalized 10 days due to complete Insomnia. Forced back up to 45mg Mirtazapine, 7.5 mg Zopiclone and also Theralene 1 ml.
2013-03: Lab showed Vitamin D deficient. Found the vitamin d and insomnia connection. Supplementing vitamin d. Sleep improved by 1-2 hours
2013-04: Dropped mirtazapine to 30 due to severe side effects. Quit Theralene. Zopiclone 7.5.
2013-05 - 2013-11: Mirtazapine taper monthly 25 20 15 11 8 4 2.5 mg
2013-12 Holding M at 2.5. Need to taper Zopiclone due to daytime nausea and vomiting. Taper zopiclone 1/4 red every 5 d. Last Z 2013-12-19
2013-12-31 M:2.5. Reinstated Zopiclone 3.75 due to Insomnia
2014-01-06 M:2.5. Taper Z 1.9 ... 2014-01-14 M:2.5. Z 1 mg.
Jumped of Zopiclone 01-20. Jumped mirtazapine 02-16.

Theralene: 10mg 02-09. 8mg 03-09. 5mg 03-15. 4mg 03-24. 3mg 04-08. Jumped 04-21.
Zopiclone free for 251 days. Mirtazapine free for 224 days.

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Moodyblues: do you have any favorite sounds, playlists, sound apps to recommend for sleep? It is always nice to try different sounds.

 

On my phone i use an app called SimplyNoise LITE. It has its own volume knob that works on top of the phones volume adjustment so you can find more levels of sound intensity by manipulating both. For me finding the absolute least amount of noise that cancel out the tinnitus is key.

 

At the moment I`m using an app called Rain, Rain. Rain on a tent is my fav sound. I use headphones on a very low volume because the narrow band sound of the phone speaker irritates my ears. Good quality sound is better.

 

Relax melodies from Ipnos soft is excellent too.

08 Cipralex 10mg for about 6 months. 11-12 Cipralex 20mg. Unsuccesful WD. 12-13 Zoloft 100mg with Diazepam 10-20mg as needed for anxiety.
Fall 13 Tapering Zoloft 100->50->25->12,5->0 in 2,5 months and CT Diazepam. 12/24/13 RI Zoloft 12,5mg
.

1/21/14 11mg

3/18/14 9,9mg

2/18/14 8mg

4/22/14 7,6mg

5/5/14 7,2mg

5/12/14 -> cutting 0,5mg per week, holding when necessary.

8/18/14 -> cutting 0,25mg per week holding when necessary.

10/20/2014 -> cutting 0,1mg per week, holding when necessary.
12/28/2014 Jump!

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Try this rain on a tent version. I meditate on this one. Maybe watching it on the phone in the dark might work distracting the mind. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm-iFXnW720

2010: Mirtazapine 30mg followed by Zopiclone 7.5 mg for sleep post surgery due to pain.
2012-> Tapering Mirtazapine and Zopiclone at different rates unsuccessfully.
2013: Hospitalized 10 days due to complete Insomnia. Forced back up to 45mg Mirtazapine, 7.5 mg Zopiclone and also Theralene 1 ml.
2013-03: Lab showed Vitamin D deficient. Found the vitamin d and insomnia connection. Supplementing vitamin d. Sleep improved by 1-2 hours
2013-04: Dropped mirtazapine to 30 due to severe side effects. Quit Theralene. Zopiclone 7.5.
2013-05 - 2013-11: Mirtazapine taper monthly 25 20 15 11 8 4 2.5 mg
2013-12 Holding M at 2.5. Need to taper Zopiclone due to daytime nausea and vomiting. Taper zopiclone 1/4 red every 5 d. Last Z 2013-12-19
2013-12-31 M:2.5. Reinstated Zopiclone 3.75 due to Insomnia
2014-01-06 M:2.5. Taper Z 1.9 ... 2014-01-14 M:2.5. Z 1 mg.
Jumped of Zopiclone 01-20. Jumped mirtazapine 02-16.

Theralene: 10mg 02-09. 8mg 03-09. 5mg 03-15. 4mg 03-24. 3mg 04-08. Jumped 04-21.
Zopiclone free for 251 days. Mirtazapine free for 224 days.

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