moodyblues78 Posted December 30, 2013 Author Share Posted December 30, 2013 Went to the mall today to get some groceries and took my daughter to see a doctor. All the sounds, people and bright lights were too much for my nerves. All the sounds seemed very loud. Lights were way too bright. My eyes leaked all the time. Horrible experience. Felt a little better and less anxious after coming home. Last night I felt like my left hand was on fire. No dreams. 08 Cipralex 10mg for about 6 months. 11-12 Cipralex 20mg. Unsuccesful WD. 12-13 Zoloft 100mg with Diazepam 10-20mg as needed for anxiety.Fall 13 Tapering Zoloft 100->50->25->12,5->0 in 2,5 months and CT Diazepam. 12/24/13 RI Zoloft 12,5mg. 1/21/14 11mg 3/18/14 9,9mg 2/18/14 8mg 4/22/14 7,6mg 5/5/14 7,2mg 5/12/14 -> cutting 0,5mg per week, holding when necessary. 8/18/14 -> cutting 0,25mg per week holding when necessary. 10/20/2014 -> cutting 0,1mg per week, holding when necessary.12/28/2014 Jump! Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted December 30, 2013 Administrator Share Posted December 30, 2013 Please consider wearing dark glasses except when lights are dim. This will help calm your nervous system. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
moodyblues78 Posted December 31, 2013 Author Share Posted December 31, 2013 Using dark glasses would cause people asking me questions. I`m not ready for that stress. I got about 7 hours of sleep last night only to wake up into a day full of anxiety. Luckily no panic attacks for the last couple of nights. 08 Cipralex 10mg for about 6 months. 11-12 Cipralex 20mg. Unsuccesful WD. 12-13 Zoloft 100mg with Diazepam 10-20mg as needed for anxiety.Fall 13 Tapering Zoloft 100->50->25->12,5->0 in 2,5 months and CT Diazepam. 12/24/13 RI Zoloft 12,5mg. 1/21/14 11mg 3/18/14 9,9mg 2/18/14 8mg 4/22/14 7,6mg 5/5/14 7,2mg 5/12/14 -> cutting 0,5mg per week, holding when necessary. 8/18/14 -> cutting 0,25mg per week holding when necessary. 10/20/2014 -> cutting 0,1mg per week, holding when necessary.12/28/2014 Jump! Link to comment
moodyblues78 Posted December 31, 2013 Author Share Posted December 31, 2013 Is it common that AD stops working? This has happened to me twice so far. Once on Cipralex and last on Zoloft. After 6-9 months the drug loses its power. Should we always just go up with the dose?? I`m scared that I have done permanent damage with these drugs and can not ever heal. So many here are still in trouble after months and years off these meds. I haven`t seen many success stories. 08 Cipralex 10mg for about 6 months. 11-12 Cipralex 20mg. Unsuccesful WD. 12-13 Zoloft 100mg with Diazepam 10-20mg as needed for anxiety.Fall 13 Tapering Zoloft 100->50->25->12,5->0 in 2,5 months and CT Diazepam. 12/24/13 RI Zoloft 12,5mg. 1/21/14 11mg 3/18/14 9,9mg 2/18/14 8mg 4/22/14 7,6mg 5/5/14 7,2mg 5/12/14 -> cutting 0,5mg per week, holding when necessary. 8/18/14 -> cutting 0,25mg per week holding when necessary. 10/20/2014 -> cutting 0,1mg per week, holding when necessary.12/28/2014 Jump! Link to comment
Meimeiquest Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Re: the sunglasses...just tell them you hurt your eye, which actually did happen...or that your goal for 2014 is to become a rock star. Many people have recovered...they're just not hanging around this forum . Would you if your life was back to normal? 1st round Prozac 1989/90, clear depression symptoms. 2nd round Prozac started 1999 when admitted to dr. I was tired. Prozac pooped out, switch to Cymbalta 3/2006. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder due to mania 6/2006--then I was taken abruptly off Cymbalta and didn't know I had SSRI withdrawal. Lots of meds for my intractable "bipolar" symptoms. Zyprexa started about 9/06, mostly 5mg. Tapered 4/12 through12/29/12 Wellbutrin. XL 300 mg started 1/07, tapered 1/18/13 through 7/8/13 Oxazepam mostly continuously since 6/06, 30mg since 12/12, tapered 1.17.14 through 8.26.15 11/06 Lithium 600mg twice daily, 2.2.14 400mg TID DIY liquid, 2.12.14 1150mg, 3.2.14 1100mg, 3.18.14 1075mg, 4/14 updose to 1100mg, 6.1.14 900 mg capsules 7.8.14 810mg, 8.17.14 725mg, 8.24.24 700mg...10.22.14 487.5mg, 3.9.15 475mg, 4.1.15 462.5mg 4.21.15 450mg 8.11.15 375mg, 11.28.15 362.5mg, back to 375mg four days later, 3.4.16 updose to 475 (too much going on to risk trouble) 9/4/13 Toprol-XL 25mg daily for sudden hypertension, tapered 11.12.13 through 5.3.14, last 10 days or so switched to atenolol 7.4.14 Started Walsh Protocol 56 years old Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus areyouthere Posted December 31, 2013 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted December 31, 2013 I`m scared that I have done permanent damage with these drugs and can not ever heal. So many here are still in trouble after months and years off these meds. I haven`t seen many success stories. Moodyblues….. I am NOT a complete success story….yet. I am , however, a successful taperer with confirmed improvement in concentration, mood improvement, functionality & increased stamina, decreased anxiety and over all improvement in my physical & mental health. My antidepressant quit working. I increased it using the generic ( bad idea) thinking it would help ( WRONG) switched to the brand and am currently tapering back down to where I was because the increase in the AD dosage didn't help ; only made things worse. I am currently tapering it. Successfully. I am also tapering a benzo which I never should have been on in the first place, not at the same time as the AD of course, but tapering. Successfully. There are two things that are key to my success: 1) Being very cautious when I decrease to make sure that I am dropping in dose but not so much that I can't return to functioning pretty quickly. THEN holding for at least 4- 6 weeks and sometimes longer. 2) Taking care of myself to reduce symptoms from the drop. By that I mean staying physically active and eating properly. Add to that using any diversionary tactic I can to keep my mind off of what damage I MIGHT have caused because that road is a dead end. Does NO good and I have been pleasantly surprised by slight improvements. Don't get the idea that it is a cake walk. It is NOT. I still have days of aches & pains, headaches, down mood, crabbiness etc. But hell, Moody, I had aches and pains, headaches, down moods and crabbiness as a youth too!!! What he heck?? Do we REALLY have to take a pill to learn how to deal with normal emotions? Soo….. my journey continues. I see a psychologist once in awhile, I have insomnia due to tapering once in awhile, aches that I know are WD symptoms, terrible headaches when I am tapering the benzo yadayadayada I understand the overstimulation with your trip to the mall. TOTALLY get it!!! If it were me, I'd either avoid such things OR if I had to do it, then I would give myself permission to be a bum and sleep for as long as it took my brain/ body to feel better. I had a ton of people at my house three days ago.. Took a ton of energy. I was in my PJs the last TWO days. Took naps both days. Today? I'm up, dressed, cleaning etc….. so it goes. Your job is to find a groove to taper successfully and then don't be surprised if the groove will change. Then just be ready to accept it. It is an exercise in letting go & letting God, but you are in charge of finding best route for the journey. With our help of course. The RI worked. Be happy with that. That is HUGE. Hang tight. There are no miracles in this journey. Just hard work but at the same time learning when to let go & let your body heal. Hope this helps. You WILL get there Moody. We all will. Together. RU Fall 1995 xanax, zoloft. switched to Serzone 1996- spring 2003serzone/ xanax/ lightbox. b]Fall 2003- Fall 2004? Lexapro 10 mg. Light box /4 mg. xanax.[/b] 2004 - Fall of 2009 10 mg Lex, 150 mg Wellbutrin XL % 4 mg xanax November 2009- Sept. 2011 10 mg lex., 300 Well. XL, 4 mg Xanax [/b Sept.2012- July 2012 20 mg Lex 300 Well. XL, 4 mg Xanax My mantra " go slow & with the flow " 3/2/13.. Began equal dosing 5 Xs /day xanax, while simultaneously incorporating a 2.5 % drop ( from 3.5 mg/day to 3.4 mg/day) 4/6/13 dropped from 300 mg. Wellbutrin XL to 150 mg. Difficult but DONE! Down to 3.3 mg xanax/ day / 6/10/13 3 mg xanax/day; 7/15/2013 2.88mg xanax/day. 10/ 1/2013...... 2.5 mg xanax… ( switched to tablets again) WOO HOO!!!!!! Holding here… cont. with Lexapro. 1/ 2/2014.. tapered to 18mg ( by weight) of a 26 mg ( by weight) pill of 20 mg tab. lexapro. goal is 13mg (by weight OR 10 mg by ingredient content) and STOPPED. Feeling very down with unbalanced, unpredictable WD symptoms. 1/2/2014- ??? Taking a brain-healing break from tapering anything after actively tapering something for 1.5 years. So… daily doses as of 2/2/2014: 18 mg by weight Lex, 150 mg Well. XL, 2.5 mg xanax, down from 26 mg by weight Lex., 300 mg well. XL, 4 mg xanax in August, 2012. I'll take it. 5/8/14 started equivalent dose liquid./ tabs. 5/13/14 1.5 % cut. Link to comment
moodyblues78 Posted December 31, 2013 Author Share Posted December 31, 2013 Thank you for taking the time to write. You gave me hope. Unfortunately I don`t see the RI working. Maybe the help has been so small that I don`t see it. At least I got some sleep last night. Being anxious all the time is just so hard. Any kind of stress is too much. How will I cope when I go back to work? I`m afraid I`ll get a bad panic attack and will end up in ER and forced medication. Those bad nightly Tinnitus bursts I had were probably due to the painkillers I ate for my eye (codeine & parazetamol). I stopped eating them and I`ve slept better for the last couple of nights. Seems like I`m overly sensitive to everything. Hopefully I`ll get my life back some day. I want to be able to help others that seek help here. People really need it. I need it. Question: How much magnesium citrate shoud I take? I think it helps my nerves a little. 08 Cipralex 10mg for about 6 months. 11-12 Cipralex 20mg. Unsuccesful WD. 12-13 Zoloft 100mg with Diazepam 10-20mg as needed for anxiety.Fall 13 Tapering Zoloft 100->50->25->12,5->0 in 2,5 months and CT Diazepam. 12/24/13 RI Zoloft 12,5mg. 1/21/14 11mg 3/18/14 9,9mg 2/18/14 8mg 4/22/14 7,6mg 5/5/14 7,2mg 5/12/14 -> cutting 0,5mg per week, holding when necessary. 8/18/14 -> cutting 0,25mg per week holding when necessary. 10/20/2014 -> cutting 0,1mg per week, holding when necessary.12/28/2014 Jump! Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus areyouthere Posted December 31, 2013 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted December 31, 2013 You've only reinstated on Dec. 25. Give it some time, maybe a couple of months. It's a good sign some of your symptoms have lessened slightly. Re read this Moody. Also remember that the drugs on board with the eye episode likely upset the RI a bit. Don't give up on the RI. You had some improvements. I remember being in a place where everything was in a turmoil after having it first dawn on me that these drugs were causing more trouble than help. I was so confused.. and it took quite a while and a LOT of discipline ( not to change drug doses without help from someone here) to get things straight. It is normal to be feeling as you are and it WILL pass… with time. RU 1 Fall 1995 xanax, zoloft. switched to Serzone 1996- spring 2003serzone/ xanax/ lightbox. b]Fall 2003- Fall 2004? Lexapro 10 mg. Light box /4 mg. xanax.[/b] 2004 - Fall of 2009 10 mg Lex, 150 mg Wellbutrin XL % 4 mg xanax November 2009- Sept. 2011 10 mg lex., 300 Well. XL, 4 mg Xanax [/b Sept.2012- July 2012 20 mg Lex 300 Well. XL, 4 mg Xanax My mantra " go slow & with the flow " 3/2/13.. Began equal dosing 5 Xs /day xanax, while simultaneously incorporating a 2.5 % drop ( from 3.5 mg/day to 3.4 mg/day) 4/6/13 dropped from 300 mg. Wellbutrin XL to 150 mg. Difficult but DONE! Down to 3.3 mg xanax/ day / 6/10/13 3 mg xanax/day; 7/15/2013 2.88mg xanax/day. 10/ 1/2013...... 2.5 mg xanax… ( switched to tablets again) WOO HOO!!!!!! Holding here… cont. with Lexapro. 1/ 2/2014.. tapered to 18mg ( by weight) of a 26 mg ( by weight) pill of 20 mg tab. lexapro. goal is 13mg (by weight OR 10 mg by ingredient content) and STOPPED. Feeling very down with unbalanced, unpredictable WD symptoms. 1/2/2014- ??? Taking a brain-healing break from tapering anything after actively tapering something for 1.5 years. So… daily doses as of 2/2/2014: 18 mg by weight Lex, 150 mg Well. XL, 2.5 mg xanax, down from 26 mg by weight Lex., 300 mg well. XL, 4 mg xanax in August, 2012. I'll take it. 5/8/14 started equivalent dose liquid./ tabs. 5/13/14 1.5 % cut. Link to comment
moodyblues78 Posted December 31, 2013 Author Share Posted December 31, 2013 Thank you RU. I`ll try to be patient. I will keep the RI at 12,5mg. I have an appointment with my doc to get more zoloft. I don`t mind weaning slowly. I`m just feeling so bad that it takes all common sense and reasoning away. So I guess I`ll be complaining here a lot in the future. Hopefully you all will bear with me. I wish I could go to sleep for 5 months and wake up all this behind me. That would be great. 08 Cipralex 10mg for about 6 months. 11-12 Cipralex 20mg. Unsuccesful WD. 12-13 Zoloft 100mg with Diazepam 10-20mg as needed for anxiety.Fall 13 Tapering Zoloft 100->50->25->12,5->0 in 2,5 months and CT Diazepam. 12/24/13 RI Zoloft 12,5mg. 1/21/14 11mg 3/18/14 9,9mg 2/18/14 8mg 4/22/14 7,6mg 5/5/14 7,2mg 5/12/14 -> cutting 0,5mg per week, holding when necessary. 8/18/14 -> cutting 0,25mg per week holding when necessary. 10/20/2014 -> cutting 0,1mg per week, holding when necessary.12/28/2014 Jump! Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted December 31, 2013 Administrator Share Posted December 31, 2013 Yes, it is quite common that the antidepressants stop working. Increases and switches often don't help; the serotonin receptors are as downregulated as they will go. This is not necessarily permanent. Off serotonergics, the receptors grow back and everything gradually goes back to normal. Please give 12.5mg time to work. The eye injury complicates your perception. It seems you might have had a small improvement in sleep. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
moodyblues78 Posted January 1, 2014 Author Share Posted January 1, 2014 Thank you Alto. I`m doing my best to stay strong. My eye is not healing. I still cannot see properly. It scares me a lot. 08 Cipralex 10mg for about 6 months. 11-12 Cipralex 20mg. Unsuccesful WD. 12-13 Zoloft 100mg with Diazepam 10-20mg as needed for anxiety.Fall 13 Tapering Zoloft 100->50->25->12,5->0 in 2,5 months and CT Diazepam. 12/24/13 RI Zoloft 12,5mg. 1/21/14 11mg 3/18/14 9,9mg 2/18/14 8mg 4/22/14 7,6mg 5/5/14 7,2mg 5/12/14 -> cutting 0,5mg per week, holding when necessary. 8/18/14 -> cutting 0,25mg per week holding when necessary. 10/20/2014 -> cutting 0,1mg per week, holding when necessary.12/28/2014 Jump! Link to comment
moodyblues78 Posted January 1, 2014 Author Share Posted January 1, 2014 I`m seeing my doctor tomorrow in order to get prescription for lower dose Zoloft. If he suggests another AD for tapering should I take it or stick with zoloft? 08 Cipralex 10mg for about 6 months. 11-12 Cipralex 20mg. Unsuccesful WD. 12-13 Zoloft 100mg with Diazepam 10-20mg as needed for anxiety.Fall 13 Tapering Zoloft 100->50->25->12,5->0 in 2,5 months and CT Diazepam. 12/24/13 RI Zoloft 12,5mg. 1/21/14 11mg 3/18/14 9,9mg 2/18/14 8mg 4/22/14 7,6mg 5/5/14 7,2mg 5/12/14 -> cutting 0,5mg per week, holding when necessary. 8/18/14 -> cutting 0,25mg per week holding when necessary. 10/20/2014 -> cutting 0,1mg per week, holding when necessary.12/28/2014 Jump! Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted January 1, 2014 Administrator Share Posted January 1, 2014 Zoloft comes in a liquid, you might get that for tapering. Why do you want to switch to another antidepressant? This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
moodyblues78 Posted January 1, 2014 Author Share Posted January 1, 2014 I don`t. Doctor may suggest that. That`s why I`m asking. 08 Cipralex 10mg for about 6 months. 11-12 Cipralex 20mg. Unsuccesful WD. 12-13 Zoloft 100mg with Diazepam 10-20mg as needed for anxiety.Fall 13 Tapering Zoloft 100->50->25->12,5->0 in 2,5 months and CT Diazepam. 12/24/13 RI Zoloft 12,5mg. 1/21/14 11mg 3/18/14 9,9mg 2/18/14 8mg 4/22/14 7,6mg 5/5/14 7,2mg 5/12/14 -> cutting 0,5mg per week, holding when necessary. 8/18/14 -> cutting 0,25mg per week holding when necessary. 10/20/2014 -> cutting 0,1mg per week, holding when necessary.12/28/2014 Jump! Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted January 1, 2014 Administrator Share Posted January 1, 2014 Be firm in your request for liquid Zoloft, if it is available in your country. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
moodyblues78 Posted January 2, 2014 Author Share Posted January 2, 2014 First morning for a while I did not wake up anxious. Headache seems to be gone too. Yesterday I started eating nuts. 08 Cipralex 10mg for about 6 months. 11-12 Cipralex 20mg. Unsuccesful WD. 12-13 Zoloft 100mg with Diazepam 10-20mg as needed for anxiety.Fall 13 Tapering Zoloft 100->50->25->12,5->0 in 2,5 months and CT Diazepam. 12/24/13 RI Zoloft 12,5mg. 1/21/14 11mg 3/18/14 9,9mg 2/18/14 8mg 4/22/14 7,6mg 5/5/14 7,2mg 5/12/14 -> cutting 0,5mg per week, holding when necessary. 8/18/14 -> cutting 0,25mg per week holding when necessary. 10/20/2014 -> cutting 0,1mg per week, holding when necessary.12/28/2014 Jump! Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus areyouthere Posted January 2, 2014 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted January 2, 2014 First morning for a while I did not wake up anxious. Headache seems to be gone too. Yesterday I started eating nuts. These are positive statements and should reinforce your resolve to advocate for yourself when you see your doctor and insist on the liquid. Please take care of yourself. Tiny steps forward are HUGE!!!. RU Fall 1995 xanax, zoloft. switched to Serzone 1996- spring 2003serzone/ xanax/ lightbox. b]Fall 2003- Fall 2004? Lexapro 10 mg. Light box /4 mg. xanax.[/b] 2004 - Fall of 2009 10 mg Lex, 150 mg Wellbutrin XL % 4 mg xanax November 2009- Sept. 2011 10 mg lex., 300 Well. XL, 4 mg Xanax [/b Sept.2012- July 2012 20 mg Lex 300 Well. XL, 4 mg Xanax My mantra " go slow & with the flow " 3/2/13.. Began equal dosing 5 Xs /day xanax, while simultaneously incorporating a 2.5 % drop ( from 3.5 mg/day to 3.4 mg/day) 4/6/13 dropped from 300 mg. Wellbutrin XL to 150 mg. Difficult but DONE! Down to 3.3 mg xanax/ day / 6/10/13 3 mg xanax/day; 7/15/2013 2.88mg xanax/day. 10/ 1/2013...... 2.5 mg xanax… ( switched to tablets again) WOO HOO!!!!!! Holding here… cont. with Lexapro. 1/ 2/2014.. tapered to 18mg ( by weight) of a 26 mg ( by weight) pill of 20 mg tab. lexapro. goal is 13mg (by weight OR 10 mg by ingredient content) and STOPPED. Feeling very down with unbalanced, unpredictable WD symptoms. 1/2/2014- ??? Taking a brain-healing break from tapering anything after actively tapering something for 1.5 years. So… daily doses as of 2/2/2014: 18 mg by weight Lex, 150 mg Well. XL, 2.5 mg xanax, down from 26 mg by weight Lex., 300 mg well. XL, 4 mg xanax in August, 2012. I'll take it. 5/8/14 started equivalent dose liquid./ tabs. 5/13/14 1.5 % cut. Link to comment
moodyblues78 Posted January 2, 2014 Author Share Posted January 2, 2014 I had some stresses today that were too much. I got trouble from work. Things I had not done because of my eye injury and the trip to the doc. My eye not getting better. I called my boss and luckily he was very supportive. He told my to take all the time I need to heal. It helped a lot. I did not get the liquid zoloft. Not even the same brand I was on. I got 50mg pills of a generic of zoloft (seronil). That was all the pharmacy had. I tried asking the doctor how often people manage to WD. He just said some stay on them for good. I had a panic attack after I got home. I cried and felt hopeless. Life was not worth living. Tinnitus was through the roof. I managed to get myself somewhat back together. I went out with my neighbor and our kids. It was refreshing and I got some exercise running after my son. I so blessed I have my family. 1 08 Cipralex 10mg for about 6 months. 11-12 Cipralex 20mg. Unsuccesful WD. 12-13 Zoloft 100mg with Diazepam 10-20mg as needed for anxiety.Fall 13 Tapering Zoloft 100->50->25->12,5->0 in 2,5 months and CT Diazepam. 12/24/13 RI Zoloft 12,5mg. 1/21/14 11mg 3/18/14 9,9mg 2/18/14 8mg 4/22/14 7,6mg 5/5/14 7,2mg 5/12/14 -> cutting 0,5mg per week, holding when necessary. 8/18/14 -> cutting 0,25mg per week holding when necessary. 10/20/2014 -> cutting 0,1mg per week, holding when necessary.12/28/2014 Jump! Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus areyouthere Posted January 3, 2014 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted January 3, 2014 I applaud your positive attitude and ability to turn a difficult situation into one that has promise! Good for you! Have you ever had trouble with the generic zoloft? Many times the generic form works just as well. I am on three drugs, two of which the generic works just as well as the brand. It is good that you can continue with 12.5 mg until you are ready to taper. That will be awhile anyway, perhaps by then you will find a way to either get the liquid or make your own. Making your own liquid is not that hard. I have done it and there is lots of help here for that. Perhaps you can ask the pharmacy to order the brand name in case the generic does not work. That way it will be there waiting? Continue to think positively and to do those things that make you feel better like go outside. That will help a lot. That darn eye… I hope that it improves quickly but it sounds as if you have an understanding boss. Sending positive energy your way Moodyblues!! RU Fall 1995 xanax, zoloft. switched to Serzone 1996- spring 2003serzone/ xanax/ lightbox. b]Fall 2003- Fall 2004? Lexapro 10 mg. Light box /4 mg. xanax.[/b] 2004 - Fall of 2009 10 mg Lex, 150 mg Wellbutrin XL % 4 mg xanax November 2009- Sept. 2011 10 mg lex., 300 Well. XL, 4 mg Xanax [/b Sept.2012- July 2012 20 mg Lex 300 Well. XL, 4 mg Xanax My mantra " go slow & with the flow " 3/2/13.. Began equal dosing 5 Xs /day xanax, while simultaneously incorporating a 2.5 % drop ( from 3.5 mg/day to 3.4 mg/day) 4/6/13 dropped from 300 mg. Wellbutrin XL to 150 mg. Difficult but DONE! Down to 3.3 mg xanax/ day / 6/10/13 3 mg xanax/day; 7/15/2013 2.88mg xanax/day. 10/ 1/2013...... 2.5 mg xanax… ( switched to tablets again) WOO HOO!!!!!! Holding here… cont. with Lexapro. 1/ 2/2014.. tapered to 18mg ( by weight) of a 26 mg ( by weight) pill of 20 mg tab. lexapro. goal is 13mg (by weight OR 10 mg by ingredient content) and STOPPED. Feeling very down with unbalanced, unpredictable WD symptoms. 1/2/2014- ??? Taking a brain-healing break from tapering anything after actively tapering something for 1.5 years. So… daily doses as of 2/2/2014: 18 mg by weight Lex, 150 mg Well. XL, 2.5 mg xanax, down from 26 mg by weight Lex., 300 mg well. XL, 4 mg xanax in August, 2012. I'll take it. 5/8/14 started equivalent dose liquid./ tabs. 5/13/14 1.5 % cut. Link to comment
moodyblues78 Posted January 4, 2014 Author Share Posted January 4, 2014 I`ll stay at 12,5mg for a while. At least I will try. I had another panic attack yesterday while seeing my therapist. Rest of the day went ok but I could feel the anxiety building up towards the night. I had another attack when I got to bed. I felt like I was trapped inside my body and could not get out. Horrible experience. I just wanted to die. I was seconds away from to taking diazepam to calm myself down. Somehow I managed to fall asleap. Later I woke up to another attack. This is hell. 08 Cipralex 10mg for about 6 months. 11-12 Cipralex 20mg. Unsuccesful WD. 12-13 Zoloft 100mg with Diazepam 10-20mg as needed for anxiety.Fall 13 Tapering Zoloft 100->50->25->12,5->0 in 2,5 months and CT Diazepam. 12/24/13 RI Zoloft 12,5mg. 1/21/14 11mg 3/18/14 9,9mg 2/18/14 8mg 4/22/14 7,6mg 5/5/14 7,2mg 5/12/14 -> cutting 0,5mg per week, holding when necessary. 8/18/14 -> cutting 0,25mg per week holding when necessary. 10/20/2014 -> cutting 0,1mg per week, holding when necessary.12/28/2014 Jump! Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus tezza Posted January 4, 2014 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted January 4, 2014 Hi MB, I just noticed your question about how much mag citrate, sorry... This is something you have to experiment with to find what you can handle. Too much will give you diarrhea. Wishing you well! http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1644-tezza-risperdal-withdrawal/ Seroquel and Mirtazipine Link to comment
moodyblues78 Posted January 4, 2014 Author Share Posted January 4, 2014 I just found out that my mag has sucralose in it. Is this a bad thing? 08 Cipralex 10mg for about 6 months. 11-12 Cipralex 20mg. Unsuccesful WD. 12-13 Zoloft 100mg with Diazepam 10-20mg as needed for anxiety.Fall 13 Tapering Zoloft 100->50->25->12,5->0 in 2,5 months and CT Diazepam. 12/24/13 RI Zoloft 12,5mg. 1/21/14 11mg 3/18/14 9,9mg 2/18/14 8mg 4/22/14 7,6mg 5/5/14 7,2mg 5/12/14 -> cutting 0,5mg per week, holding when necessary. 8/18/14 -> cutting 0,25mg per week holding when necessary. 10/20/2014 -> cutting 0,1mg per week, holding when necessary.12/28/2014 Jump! Link to comment
moodyblues78 Posted January 4, 2014 Author Share Posted January 4, 2014 I can hardly get any air. Please someone tell me this is just wd. 08 Cipralex 10mg for about 6 months. 11-12 Cipralex 20mg. Unsuccesful WD. 12-13 Zoloft 100mg with Diazepam 10-20mg as needed for anxiety.Fall 13 Tapering Zoloft 100->50->25->12,5->0 in 2,5 months and CT Diazepam. 12/24/13 RI Zoloft 12,5mg. 1/21/14 11mg 3/18/14 9,9mg 2/18/14 8mg 4/22/14 7,6mg 5/5/14 7,2mg 5/12/14 -> cutting 0,5mg per week, holding when necessary. 8/18/14 -> cutting 0,25mg per week holding when necessary. 10/20/2014 -> cutting 0,1mg per week, holding when necessary.12/28/2014 Jump! Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted January 4, 2014 Administrator Share Posted January 4, 2014 Please stay calm and deliberately breathe in and out whenever you feel panicky. Remind yourself this will pass. Some people are sensitive to sucralose. Magnesium glycinate (chelated) is the best kind of magnesium. iHerb.com ships internationally. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
moodyblues78 Posted January 4, 2014 Author Share Posted January 4, 2014 Please stay calm and deliberately breathe in and out whenever you feel panicky. Remind yourself this will pass. Some people are sensitive to sucralose. Magnesium glycinate (chelated) is the best kind of magnesium. iHerb.com ships internationally. Thank you for the tips Altostrata. My eye is not healing. I`m going to need an operation. How the hell I`m going to handle this tress with wd. This is too much. 08 Cipralex 10mg for about 6 months. 11-12 Cipralex 20mg. Unsuccesful WD. 12-13 Zoloft 100mg with Diazepam 10-20mg as needed for anxiety.Fall 13 Tapering Zoloft 100->50->25->12,5->0 in 2,5 months and CT Diazepam. 12/24/13 RI Zoloft 12,5mg. 1/21/14 11mg 3/18/14 9,9mg 2/18/14 8mg 4/22/14 7,6mg 5/5/14 7,2mg 5/12/14 -> cutting 0,5mg per week, holding when necessary. 8/18/14 -> cutting 0,25mg per week holding when necessary. 10/20/2014 -> cutting 0,1mg per week, holding when necessary.12/28/2014 Jump! Link to comment
Meimeiquest Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 I'm so very sorry! We have collectively done a lot of worrying about anesthesia and pain meds while in WD, there's lots of info in the archives. But I think everyone has made it through okay. Alto says to tell the anesthesiologist that you have autonomic instability, and they'll know what to do. Someday this will just be a bad memory... 1st round Prozac 1989/90, clear depression symptoms. 2nd round Prozac started 1999 when admitted to dr. I was tired. Prozac pooped out, switch to Cymbalta 3/2006. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder due to mania 6/2006--then I was taken abruptly off Cymbalta and didn't know I had SSRI withdrawal. Lots of meds for my intractable "bipolar" symptoms. Zyprexa started about 9/06, mostly 5mg. Tapered 4/12 through12/29/12 Wellbutrin. XL 300 mg started 1/07, tapered 1/18/13 through 7/8/13 Oxazepam mostly continuously since 6/06, 30mg since 12/12, tapered 1.17.14 through 8.26.15 11/06 Lithium 600mg twice daily, 2.2.14 400mg TID DIY liquid, 2.12.14 1150mg, 3.2.14 1100mg, 3.18.14 1075mg, 4/14 updose to 1100mg, 6.1.14 900 mg capsules 7.8.14 810mg, 8.17.14 725mg, 8.24.24 700mg...10.22.14 487.5mg, 3.9.15 475mg, 4.1.15 462.5mg 4.21.15 450mg 8.11.15 375mg, 11.28.15 362.5mg, back to 375mg four days later, 3.4.16 updose to 475 (too much going on to risk trouble) 9/4/13 Toprol-XL 25mg daily for sudden hypertension, tapered 11.12.13 through 5.3.14, last 10 days or so switched to atenolol 7.4.14 Started Walsh Protocol 56 years old Link to comment
moodyblues78 Posted January 5, 2014 Author Share Posted January 5, 2014 No breathing problems today. I ate a lot of home made bread a couple of hours ago and now my hands and feet are shaking like crazy and ears are ringing loud. 08 Cipralex 10mg for about 6 months. 11-12 Cipralex 20mg. Unsuccesful WD. 12-13 Zoloft 100mg with Diazepam 10-20mg as needed for anxiety.Fall 13 Tapering Zoloft 100->50->25->12,5->0 in 2,5 months and CT Diazepam. 12/24/13 RI Zoloft 12,5mg. 1/21/14 11mg 3/18/14 9,9mg 2/18/14 8mg 4/22/14 7,6mg 5/5/14 7,2mg 5/12/14 -> cutting 0,5mg per week, holding when necessary. 8/18/14 -> cutting 0,25mg per week holding when necessary. 10/20/2014 -> cutting 0,1mg per week, holding when necessary.12/28/2014 Jump! Link to comment
moodyblues78 Posted January 6, 2014 Author Share Posted January 6, 2014 Did not sleep last night. Full anxiety all the time with trouble breathing. Breathing problems got worse and worse today until I could not breathe. I was seconds away from calling an ambulance. So I took diazepam. I don`t care if it screws up my cns. I`ll rather take that than a boat load of antipsychotics at ER. I feel better now. 08 Cipralex 10mg for about 6 months. 11-12 Cipralex 20mg. Unsuccesful WD. 12-13 Zoloft 100mg with Diazepam 10-20mg as needed for anxiety.Fall 13 Tapering Zoloft 100->50->25->12,5->0 in 2,5 months and CT Diazepam. 12/24/13 RI Zoloft 12,5mg. 1/21/14 11mg 3/18/14 9,9mg 2/18/14 8mg 4/22/14 7,6mg 5/5/14 7,2mg 5/12/14 -> cutting 0,5mg per week, holding when necessary. 8/18/14 -> cutting 0,25mg per week holding when necessary. 10/20/2014 -> cutting 0,1mg per week, holding when necessary.12/28/2014 Jump! Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted January 6, 2014 Administrator Share Posted January 6, 2014 Many take an occasional diazepam. Take the lowest effective dosage. You may want to stay away from starchy foods. It sounds like you might be having a blood sugar reaction. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
moodyblues78 Posted January 6, 2014 Author Share Posted January 6, 2014 Thanks Alto. I will try that. Are whole grain foods ok? Tomorrow I will probably know the faith of my eye. I hope I can get at least some sleep. 08 Cipralex 10mg for about 6 months. 11-12 Cipralex 20mg. Unsuccesful WD. 12-13 Zoloft 100mg with Diazepam 10-20mg as needed for anxiety.Fall 13 Tapering Zoloft 100->50->25->12,5->0 in 2,5 months and CT Diazepam. 12/24/13 RI Zoloft 12,5mg. 1/21/14 11mg 3/18/14 9,9mg 2/18/14 8mg 4/22/14 7,6mg 5/5/14 7,2mg 5/12/14 -> cutting 0,5mg per week, holding when necessary. 8/18/14 -> cutting 0,25mg per week holding when necessary. 10/20/2014 -> cutting 0,1mg per week, holding when necessary.12/28/2014 Jump! Link to comment
moodyblues78 Posted January 7, 2014 Author Share Posted January 7, 2014 After 2 solid days of hellish anxiety and panic I finally have a small window and I can breath. I`m so tired... 08 Cipralex 10mg for about 6 months. 11-12 Cipralex 20mg. Unsuccesful WD. 12-13 Zoloft 100mg with Diazepam 10-20mg as needed for anxiety.Fall 13 Tapering Zoloft 100->50->25->12,5->0 in 2,5 months and CT Diazepam. 12/24/13 RI Zoloft 12,5mg. 1/21/14 11mg 3/18/14 9,9mg 2/18/14 8mg 4/22/14 7,6mg 5/5/14 7,2mg 5/12/14 -> cutting 0,5mg per week, holding when necessary. 8/18/14 -> cutting 0,25mg per week holding when necessary. 10/20/2014 -> cutting 0,1mg per week, holding when necessary.12/28/2014 Jump! Link to comment
wulfgar Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 You might want to stay on a small dose of diazepam. Depending on how much and how often you have used diazepam during 2012-2013 your symptoms right now might come from both zoloft and diazepam. Intermittent use of benzo can also cause withdrawal. I would think that a stable small dose might be better than taking it on and off, in regards to getting stable in your ssri tapering. Fingers crossed for you!! 2010: Mirtazapine 30mg followed by Zopiclone 7.5 mg for sleep post surgery due to pain.2012-> Tapering Mirtazapine and Zopiclone at different rates unsuccessfully.2013: Hospitalized 10 days due to complete Insomnia. Forced back up to 45mg Mirtazapine, 7.5 mg Zopiclone and also Theralene 1 ml.2013-03: Lab showed Vitamin D deficient. Found the vitamin d and insomnia connection. Supplementing vitamin d. Sleep improved by 1-2 hours2013-04: Dropped mirtazapine to 30 due to severe side effects. Quit Theralene. Zopiclone 7.5.2013-05 - 2013-11: Mirtazapine taper monthly 25 20 15 11 8 4 2.5 mg2013-12 Holding M at 2.5. Need to taper Zopiclone due to daytime nausea and vomiting. Taper zopiclone 1/4 red every 5 d. Last Z 2013-12-192013-12-31 M:2.5. Reinstated Zopiclone 3.75 due to Insomnia2014-01-06 M:2.5. Taper Z 1.9 ... 2014-01-14 M:2.5. Z 1 mg.Jumped of Zopiclone 01-20. Jumped mirtazapine 02-16. Theralene: 10mg 02-09. 8mg 03-09. 5mg 03-15. 4mg 03-24. 3mg 04-08. Jumped 04-21.Zopiclone free for 251 days. Mirtazapine free for 224 days. Link to comment
moodyblues78 Posted January 7, 2014 Author Share Posted January 7, 2014 Thanks Wulfgar. I don`t want to go on a regular dose of diazepam. Also I have used it so irregularly that I have no idea how much I should take daily. My anxiety comes and goes by the minute. I did some calculations. Had I weaned according to the 10%/month ratio I would have reached my current dosage after 1,5 years or so. Does this mean I may have to wait for a year for my cns to stabilize? 08 Cipralex 10mg for about 6 months. 11-12 Cipralex 20mg. Unsuccesful WD. 12-13 Zoloft 100mg with Diazepam 10-20mg as needed for anxiety.Fall 13 Tapering Zoloft 100->50->25->12,5->0 in 2,5 months and CT Diazepam. 12/24/13 RI Zoloft 12,5mg. 1/21/14 11mg 3/18/14 9,9mg 2/18/14 8mg 4/22/14 7,6mg 5/5/14 7,2mg 5/12/14 -> cutting 0,5mg per week, holding when necessary. 8/18/14 -> cutting 0,25mg per week holding when necessary. 10/20/2014 -> cutting 0,1mg per week, holding when necessary.12/28/2014 Jump! Link to comment
moodyblues78 Posted January 8, 2014 Author Share Posted January 8, 2014 First night with proper sleep and no anxiety. It was so strange to wake up feeling ok. It did not last long but it was something. Now I`m shaking like crazy. 08 Cipralex 10mg for about 6 months. 11-12 Cipralex 20mg. Unsuccesful WD. 12-13 Zoloft 100mg with Diazepam 10-20mg as needed for anxiety.Fall 13 Tapering Zoloft 100->50->25->12,5->0 in 2,5 months and CT Diazepam. 12/24/13 RI Zoloft 12,5mg. 1/21/14 11mg 3/18/14 9,9mg 2/18/14 8mg 4/22/14 7,6mg 5/5/14 7,2mg 5/12/14 -> cutting 0,5mg per week, holding when necessary. 8/18/14 -> cutting 0,25mg per week holding when necessary. 10/20/2014 -> cutting 0,1mg per week, holding when necessary.12/28/2014 Jump! Link to comment
wulfgar Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Congratulation on the sleep! Feeling ok for just a while is an herald of better times to come, i think. 2010: Mirtazapine 30mg followed by Zopiclone 7.5 mg for sleep post surgery due to pain.2012-> Tapering Mirtazapine and Zopiclone at different rates unsuccessfully.2013: Hospitalized 10 days due to complete Insomnia. Forced back up to 45mg Mirtazapine, 7.5 mg Zopiclone and also Theralene 1 ml.2013-03: Lab showed Vitamin D deficient. Found the vitamin d and insomnia connection. Supplementing vitamin d. Sleep improved by 1-2 hours2013-04: Dropped mirtazapine to 30 due to severe side effects. Quit Theralene. Zopiclone 7.5.2013-05 - 2013-11: Mirtazapine taper monthly 25 20 15 11 8 4 2.5 mg2013-12 Holding M at 2.5. Need to taper Zopiclone due to daytime nausea and vomiting. Taper zopiclone 1/4 red every 5 d. Last Z 2013-12-192013-12-31 M:2.5. Reinstated Zopiclone 3.75 due to Insomnia2014-01-06 M:2.5. Taper Z 1.9 ... 2014-01-14 M:2.5. Z 1 mg.Jumped of Zopiclone 01-20. Jumped mirtazapine 02-16. Theralene: 10mg 02-09. 8mg 03-09. 5mg 03-15. 4mg 03-24. 3mg 04-08. Jumped 04-21.Zopiclone free for 251 days. Mirtazapine free for 224 days. Link to comment
moodyblues78 Posted January 8, 2014 Author Share Posted January 8, 2014 I`m thinking about reinstating to 25mg. I can`t take this. I cannot handle any kind of stress. Washing the dishes gives me bad anxiety. I blow my fuse all the time. I have 3 kids. I don`t want this to them. They don`t deserve to see their father in this condition. Please tell me if this is ok or talk me out of it. Alone I could cope but I have my family and I love them more than myself. 08 Cipralex 10mg for about 6 months. 11-12 Cipralex 20mg. Unsuccesful WD. 12-13 Zoloft 100mg with Diazepam 10-20mg as needed for anxiety.Fall 13 Tapering Zoloft 100->50->25->12,5->0 in 2,5 months and CT Diazepam. 12/24/13 RI Zoloft 12,5mg. 1/21/14 11mg 3/18/14 9,9mg 2/18/14 8mg 4/22/14 7,6mg 5/5/14 7,2mg 5/12/14 -> cutting 0,5mg per week, holding when necessary. 8/18/14 -> cutting 0,25mg per week holding when necessary. 10/20/2014 -> cutting 0,1mg per week, holding when necessary.12/28/2014 Jump! Link to comment
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