Administrator Altostrata Posted June 30, 2018 Administrator Share Posted June 30, 2018 Always good to hear from you, lobster. This is your busy season isn't it? Are you still taking melatonin? Glycine and taurine at bedtime can help, too. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
lobster Posted June 30, 2018 Author Share Posted June 30, 2018 Hi Alto :-) I don't and haven't taken any melatonin in a very long time . I take magnesium, taurine , in the evening . I also still take fish oil and a multi vitamin in the morning. I'm also on Atenolol, a beta blocker . That was two fold , one to help my blood pressure that's been high for a while and maybe the possibility of controlling some of the aderenlyn surges. Yes this is my busy season, things are picking up and getting more busy by the day . I hope all is well with you and things are going good :-) Lexapro 1 1/8 mg and 10 mg Propranolol. I jumped down to 2.5 mg lexapro from 5 mg on oct 2 where I had been for 7 months and went from 2.5 mg to 1 1/8 mg not sure when maybe around nov 2 went back up to 2.5 mg December 30 . May 13 small cut lexapro 2.5 mg down to 2.4 mg 9/4/14 dropped 8.33% to 2.2 mg 10/13/14 dropped to 2mg lexapro. Back up to 2.2 mg 10/15/14. Dropped to 2 mg lexapro 11/26/14. Dropped 10% to 1.8 mg lexapro 1/11/15. 2/23/15 . Cut of 5%. 3/11/15 cut of 5% 5/3/15 cut of 5% 6/3/15 cut of 5% 7/19/15 cut of 5%. Continued small cuts of 5% every six weeks or so untill October 8th 2016 ,last dose . Last dose was 0.8mg. Currently taking 10 mg propranolol in the afternoon. 1400mg fish oil. 250 mg magnesium, 250 mg L-Taurine, 500 mg Tumeric. 40 mg Zocore simvistatin. Link to comment
Mentor Happy2Heal Posted July 1, 2018 Mentor Share Posted July 1, 2018 So glad to hear from you Lobster!! I've been wondering how you were doing! while I"m not off as long as you (won't be a year til October) I'm doing pretty well. I have some of the same issues as you do, with the memory, but it's getting better. It seems when I sleep long enough to dream my mind/memory is better the next day. I only have trouble with anxiety if I'm under a lot of stress and luckily I've had very little stress (I've got some now but I'm handling it well, I think) I am able to fall asleep very easily most nights and still get my best sleep in the first 2 to 3 hrs - after that, I'm up to go to the bathroom a few times and the closer it gets to sunrise, the harder time I have going back to sleep. But I can do it, at least, before I'd be wide awake and suffering with anxiety and cortisol surges for the rest of the night 😕 I can see from going thru my notes that a year ago or so, I was waking up at 4 am and not able to go back to sleep at all (or only rarely) and now I wake up at 5:30 but can doze off sometimes or rest comfortably til I want to get up (sometimes I want to be up at 5:30, sometimes I'm lazy lol) My sleep has improved a LOT and it continues to improve, but it's been the thing that's taken the longest. we seem to have that in common I like Alto's suggestion about glycine, I tried that in the past and it did help me relax, I might try it some night when I wake up at 1 or 2 and see if it helps me get back to sleep faster or helps me sleep longer so very glad to hear from you!!! please keep in touch PLEASE DO NOT SEND ME PRIVATE MESSAGES, thank you. pysch med history: 1974 @ age 18 to Oct 2017 (approx 43 yrs total) Drug list: stelazine, haldol, elavil, lithium, zoloft, celexa, lexapro(doses as high as 40mgs), klonopin, ambien, seroquel(high doses), depakote, zyprexa, lamictal- plus brief trials of dozens of other psych meds over the years started lexapro 2002, dose varied from 20mgs to 40mgs. First attempt to get off it was 2007- WD symptoms were mistaken for "relapse". 2013 too fast taper down to 5mg but WD forced me back to 20mgs June of 2105, tapered again too rapidly to 2.5mgs by Dec 2015. Found SA, held at 2.5 mgs til May 2016 when I foolishly "jumped off". felt ok until Sept, then acute WD hit!! reinstated at 0.3mgs in Oct. 2106 Tapered off to zero by Oct. 2017 Doing very well. Nov. 2018 feel 95% healed, age 63 Jan. 2020 feel 100% healed, peaceful and content Dec 2023 Loving life! ❤️ with all it's ups and downs Link to comment
lobster Posted July 1, 2018 Author Share Posted July 1, 2018 (edited) Thank you 🙂 I'm very glad to hear your doing so well and that things continue to improve for you . My two biggest issues have been anxiety and sleep as well, but hopefully there will be much improvement in the future . My courage is much better then it used to be , that is an improvement. We will get there in due time I'm sure . The summer months help to and I'm sucking up as much sunshine as possible lol . I'm praying for much improvement for you and every one else that's suffering, I'm sure it will come eventually 🙂 Edited February 1, 2019 by ChessieCat removed quote Lexapro 1 1/8 mg and 10 mg Propranolol. I jumped down to 2.5 mg lexapro from 5 mg on oct 2 where I had been for 7 months and went from 2.5 mg to 1 1/8 mg not sure when maybe around nov 2 went back up to 2.5 mg December 30 . May 13 small cut lexapro 2.5 mg down to 2.4 mg 9/4/14 dropped 8.33% to 2.2 mg 10/13/14 dropped to 2mg lexapro. Back up to 2.2 mg 10/15/14. Dropped to 2 mg lexapro 11/26/14. Dropped 10% to 1.8 mg lexapro 1/11/15. 2/23/15 . Cut of 5%. 3/11/15 cut of 5% 5/3/15 cut of 5% 6/3/15 cut of 5% 7/19/15 cut of 5%. Continued small cuts of 5% every six weeks or so untill October 8th 2016 ,last dose . Last dose was 0.8mg. Currently taking 10 mg propranolol in the afternoon. 1400mg fish oil. 250 mg magnesium, 250 mg L-Taurine, 500 mg Tumeric. 40 mg Zocore simvistatin. Link to comment
lobster Posted January 4, 2019 Author Share Posted January 4, 2019 Hello everyone, it's been a while . I've been off all antidepressants for 27 months. I still have hard days, but have been holding my own. I am having an issue now how ever , I started taking CBD oil the 1st of December, for anxiety issues. Lately I have started having sleep issues again , my anxiety is also so so . I have been looking back over the time since I started the cbd oil and realized that in the beginning I had a rash, welts that I thought was from laundry detergent, I've also been having histamine issues . Could all this be from the CBD oil? I'm taking 43 mg of Charoletts Web, in the morning. I'm nervous of just stopping it , I've been there with lexapro and never again. I'm wondering if CBD oil would have the same affects from stoping as lexapro. Or if I should just go down some on the CBD oil and hold . I had hives twice the beginning of December and never made the connection that it might be from CBD oil . My Histimine is like I said also an issue, stuffy and this has been going on for a month or so. Thank you for any advice :-) Lexapro 1 1/8 mg and 10 mg Propranolol. I jumped down to 2.5 mg lexapro from 5 mg on oct 2 where I had been for 7 months and went from 2.5 mg to 1 1/8 mg not sure when maybe around nov 2 went back up to 2.5 mg December 30 . May 13 small cut lexapro 2.5 mg down to 2.4 mg 9/4/14 dropped 8.33% to 2.2 mg 10/13/14 dropped to 2mg lexapro. Back up to 2.2 mg 10/15/14. Dropped to 2 mg lexapro 11/26/14. Dropped 10% to 1.8 mg lexapro 1/11/15. 2/23/15 . Cut of 5%. 3/11/15 cut of 5% 5/3/15 cut of 5% 6/3/15 cut of 5% 7/19/15 cut of 5%. Continued small cuts of 5% every six weeks or so untill October 8th 2016 ,last dose . Last dose was 0.8mg. Currently taking 10 mg propranolol in the afternoon. 1400mg fish oil. 250 mg magnesium, 250 mg L-Taurine, 500 mg Tumeric. 40 mg Zocore simvistatin. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted January 5, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted January 5, 2019 Hi lobster and welcome back, cannabis-marijuana-thc-and-cbd-or-hemp-oil If you've been taking it daily since the beginning of December then I think tapering would be a good idea. You might find that you can reduce it and find the "sweet spot" where it works for the issue you are taking it for, but it doesn't cause the side effect. But if you are having trouble with histamines you might consider checking your diet. histamine-food-intolerance Remember to only make one change at a time. And keep notes on paper. Keep it Simple, Slow and Stable * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
lobster Posted January 5, 2019 Author Share Posted January 5, 2019 (edited) Thank you so much. I've had histimine issues off and on a little for most of my life it seems , but this last year it has been much worse. It seems like even if I get anxious it sets it off lol. I haven't gone down any in the CBD oil dosage, because I really think it might be helping with things . I think my issues right now could just be stress related. I'll hold for a while and if things get worse then I'll go down a little to see if things even out . I appreciate your help, thank you very much! Edited February 1, 2019 by ChessieCat removed quote Lexapro 1 1/8 mg and 10 mg Propranolol. I jumped down to 2.5 mg lexapro from 5 mg on oct 2 where I had been for 7 months and went from 2.5 mg to 1 1/8 mg not sure when maybe around nov 2 went back up to 2.5 mg December 30 . May 13 small cut lexapro 2.5 mg down to 2.4 mg 9/4/14 dropped 8.33% to 2.2 mg 10/13/14 dropped to 2mg lexapro. Back up to 2.2 mg 10/15/14. Dropped to 2 mg lexapro 11/26/14. Dropped 10% to 1.8 mg lexapro 1/11/15. 2/23/15 . Cut of 5%. 3/11/15 cut of 5% 5/3/15 cut of 5% 6/3/15 cut of 5% 7/19/15 cut of 5%. Continued small cuts of 5% every six weeks or so untill October 8th 2016 ,last dose . Last dose was 0.8mg. Currently taking 10 mg propranolol in the afternoon. 1400mg fish oil. 250 mg magnesium, 250 mg L-Taurine, 500 mg Tumeric. 40 mg Zocore simvistatin. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted January 5, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted January 5, 2019 You are very welcome. Yes, I think keeping an eye on what happens is a good idea. And the Christmas season can cause stress, even good stress can affect us. It's amazing how stress does affect us. I was visiting my in-laws on the day we had the Newcastle earthquake and I got hives. My daughter and I also get what we call stress pimples/bubbles on our hands. They are like a patch of tiny little blisters and when you break them liquid comes out. And I've just thought to google it and it has a name: dyshidrotic eczema or dyshidrosis. Stress pimples is much easier to say. 😊 * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
lobster Posted January 5, 2019 Author Share Posted January 5, 2019 (edited) I agree , I have been having some stress with family member health issues . I have also been having some very good and exciting things going on, so it's probably an over load of things. I slept ok last night so I'm just going to maintain my dosage of the CBD oil and figure things will even out soon .I do think it's helping with things . Thanks for your responses, have a good day . Edited February 1, 2019 by ChessieCat removed quote Lexapro 1 1/8 mg and 10 mg Propranolol. I jumped down to 2.5 mg lexapro from 5 mg on oct 2 where I had been for 7 months and went from 2.5 mg to 1 1/8 mg not sure when maybe around nov 2 went back up to 2.5 mg December 30 . May 13 small cut lexapro 2.5 mg down to 2.4 mg 9/4/14 dropped 8.33% to 2.2 mg 10/13/14 dropped to 2mg lexapro. Back up to 2.2 mg 10/15/14. Dropped to 2 mg lexapro 11/26/14. Dropped 10% to 1.8 mg lexapro 1/11/15. 2/23/15 . Cut of 5%. 3/11/15 cut of 5% 5/3/15 cut of 5% 6/3/15 cut of 5% 7/19/15 cut of 5%. Continued small cuts of 5% every six weeks or so untill October 8th 2016 ,last dose . Last dose was 0.8mg. Currently taking 10 mg propranolol in the afternoon. 1400mg fish oil. 250 mg magnesium, 250 mg L-Taurine, 500 mg Tumeric. 40 mg Zocore simvistatin. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted January 6, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted January 6, 2019 22 hours ago, ChessieCat said: I was visiting my in-laws on the day we had the Newcastle earthquake and I got hives. BTW the reaction was to the earthquake, not the in-laws 😉 * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
lobster Posted January 6, 2019 Author Share Posted January 6, 2019 (edited) Lol, most of us have them , I like my in in-laws to haha. I did some research on CBD oil before I started taking it and for some reason didn't realize, your not supposed to take it while taking a Statin. I take zocore, statin for cholesterol, but I take the CBD oil first thing in the morning when I get up and the Statin later in the day . Usually I would say about 12 hours apart . I'm now wondering if I should change something, or if it's long enough between the two where it's ok. I knew I wasn't supposed to have grapefruit with my Cholesterol med ,but not CBD oil . It's always something, I guess it keeps it interesting lol.. Edited February 1, 2019 by ChessieCat removed quote Lexapro 1 1/8 mg and 10 mg Propranolol. I jumped down to 2.5 mg lexapro from 5 mg on oct 2 where I had been for 7 months and went from 2.5 mg to 1 1/8 mg not sure when maybe around nov 2 went back up to 2.5 mg December 30 . May 13 small cut lexapro 2.5 mg down to 2.4 mg 9/4/14 dropped 8.33% to 2.2 mg 10/13/14 dropped to 2mg lexapro. Back up to 2.2 mg 10/15/14. Dropped to 2 mg lexapro 11/26/14. Dropped 10% to 1.8 mg lexapro 1/11/15. 2/23/15 . Cut of 5%. 3/11/15 cut of 5% 5/3/15 cut of 5% 6/3/15 cut of 5% 7/19/15 cut of 5%. Continued small cuts of 5% every six weeks or so untill October 8th 2016 ,last dose . Last dose was 0.8mg. Currently taking 10 mg propranolol in the afternoon. 1400mg fish oil. 250 mg magnesium, 250 mg L-Taurine, 500 mg Tumeric. 40 mg Zocore simvistatin. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted January 6, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted January 6, 2019 Yes it sounds like you may be okay taking them 12 hours apart. The other option would be to ask your doctor. From: https://www.projectcbd.org/resources/faq Does CBD interact with other medications? Yes. CBD inhibits the cytochrome P450 enzyme, which is involved in metabolizing many drugs. Compounds in grapefruit inhibit the same enzyme group, which is why physicians advice patients not to eat grapefruit shortly before or after taking a medication. By inhibiting cytochrome P450, CBD can either reduce or increase the effects of other drugs. In some situations, it may be advisable for a physician to monitor a patient’s blood levels of other medications while taking CBD. See CBD-Drug Interactions: The Role of Cytochrome P450 for more information. * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
lobster Posted January 6, 2019 Author Share Posted January 6, 2019 (edited) Thank you very much. I might give the Dr a call tomorrow and see what they have to say , I only see my dr twice a year. Alot of time they seem clueless lol, I probably should have asked in the beginning before starting, guess I really didn't think it would be an issue. Thanks for the help, I really appreciate it.. Edited February 1, 2019 by ChessieCat removed quote Lexapro 1 1/8 mg and 10 mg Propranolol. I jumped down to 2.5 mg lexapro from 5 mg on oct 2 where I had been for 7 months and went from 2.5 mg to 1 1/8 mg not sure when maybe around nov 2 went back up to 2.5 mg December 30 . May 13 small cut lexapro 2.5 mg down to 2.4 mg 9/4/14 dropped 8.33% to 2.2 mg 10/13/14 dropped to 2mg lexapro. Back up to 2.2 mg 10/15/14. Dropped to 2 mg lexapro 11/26/14. Dropped 10% to 1.8 mg lexapro 1/11/15. 2/23/15 . Cut of 5%. 3/11/15 cut of 5% 5/3/15 cut of 5% 6/3/15 cut of 5% 7/19/15 cut of 5%. Continued small cuts of 5% every six weeks or so untill October 8th 2016 ,last dose . Last dose was 0.8mg. Currently taking 10 mg propranolol in the afternoon. 1400mg fish oil. 250 mg magnesium, 250 mg L-Taurine, 500 mg Tumeric. 40 mg Zocore simvistatin. Link to comment
lobster Posted February 1, 2019 Author Share Posted February 1, 2019 Good morning everyone. I've been having a rough time of it lately. I had been doing decent for over a year and a half . December 1st I started taking 43 mg of cbd oil daily as I thought it might help with a few things . I also started having a few Beer's again once in a while, as I didn't think it would be an issue as I had been off my lexapro for 26 months. Not alot and not all the time, I did notice my anxiety creeping up , I always have it to a degree. I kept having histimine issues and on Jan 4th I cut my cbd dosage in half from 43mg , my histimine seemed to get better, but my anxiety got worse and my sleep started getting erratic. I didn't realize cbd oil affected how long my cholesterol and blood pressure medication stayed in my system, so essentially it made those dosages more potent. The blood pressure med is for anxiety issues and it is also high , so kind of two fold. Now my sleep is messed up again , I'm having jerks and shaking when starting to fall asleep and terrible anxiety to , no sleep last night because of it . I also see that cbd oil causes some of the same affects as SSRI on seratonin receptors causing deregulation. I'm wondering if this is caused by that or something else . It doesn't seem like it would still be WD from lexapro, I've been off of it for 28 months. It seems I always get my self into these situations. Any thoughts or input would be greatly appreciated 🙂 I've also had other stressors, but have handle those ok, maybe a combination of things ? Lexapro 1 1/8 mg and 10 mg Propranolol. I jumped down to 2.5 mg lexapro from 5 mg on oct 2 where I had been for 7 months and went from 2.5 mg to 1 1/8 mg not sure when maybe around nov 2 went back up to 2.5 mg December 30 . May 13 small cut lexapro 2.5 mg down to 2.4 mg 9/4/14 dropped 8.33% to 2.2 mg 10/13/14 dropped to 2mg lexapro. Back up to 2.2 mg 10/15/14. Dropped to 2 mg lexapro 11/26/14. Dropped 10% to 1.8 mg lexapro 1/11/15. 2/23/15 . Cut of 5%. 3/11/15 cut of 5% 5/3/15 cut of 5% 6/3/15 cut of 5% 7/19/15 cut of 5%. Continued small cuts of 5% every six weeks or so untill October 8th 2016 ,last dose . Last dose was 0.8mg. Currently taking 10 mg propranolol in the afternoon. 1400mg fish oil. 250 mg magnesium, 250 mg L-Taurine, 500 mg Tumeric. 40 mg Zocore simvistatin. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted February 1, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted February 1, 2019 It doesn’t end at “0” * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
lobster Posted February 3, 2019 Author Share Posted February 3, 2019 On 2/1/2019 at 4:25 PM, ChessieCat said: It doesn’t end at “0” So could this still be from the lexapro this far out? I'm still having not good sleep, not much last night , I know I got some ,but not much, I didn't look at the clock .Terrible sleep jerks and twitching. I'm worried that I messed my self up with the cbd oil . I'm still taking about 21.5mg a day , I dropped from 43mg Jan 4th . I'm unsure If my problem is related to that or not and where I should go from here . Should I ride this out and hope things settle down , go up , or down , or maintain the dosage , or if it's not any thing to do with the cbd oil and still lexapro wd at 28 months. Any thoughts? Thank you very much I appreciate the help 🙂 Lexapro 1 1/8 mg and 10 mg Propranolol. I jumped down to 2.5 mg lexapro from 5 mg on oct 2 where I had been for 7 months and went from 2.5 mg to 1 1/8 mg not sure when maybe around nov 2 went back up to 2.5 mg December 30 . May 13 small cut lexapro 2.5 mg down to 2.4 mg 9/4/14 dropped 8.33% to 2.2 mg 10/13/14 dropped to 2mg lexapro. Back up to 2.2 mg 10/15/14. Dropped to 2 mg lexapro 11/26/14. Dropped 10% to 1.8 mg lexapro 1/11/15. 2/23/15 . Cut of 5%. 3/11/15 cut of 5% 5/3/15 cut of 5% 6/3/15 cut of 5% 7/19/15 cut of 5%. Continued small cuts of 5% every six weeks or so untill October 8th 2016 ,last dose . Last dose was 0.8mg. Currently taking 10 mg propranolol in the afternoon. 1400mg fish oil. 250 mg magnesium, 250 mg L-Taurine, 500 mg Tumeric. 40 mg Zocore simvistatin. Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted February 3, 2019 Administrator Share Posted February 3, 2019 Hi, lobster. Sorry to hear you're still having these problems. What do you mean by histamine issues? What drugs are you taking now, at what times of day, what dosages? You might have gotten a bit of withdrawal from reducing the CBD oil or, as you noted, it may have interacted with your other drugs. Your nervous system is still hypersensitive. For your hypervigilance, can you play soft music, such as a continuous loop of trance music or meditation music, while you're sleeping? The jerks are a paradoxical effect -- your nervous system is afraid you're going into a coma. But if it can hear the music, it's distracted and keeps calm. After a while, your nervous system may stop being hypervigilant and you'll be able to sleep without music. Or you may find you (and your wife) like it! This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
lobster Posted February 3, 2019 Author Share Posted February 3, 2019 25 minutes ago, Altostrata said: Hi, lobster. Sorry to hear you're still having these problems. What do you mean by histamine issues? What drugs are you taking now, at what times of day, what dosages? You might have gotten a bit of withdrawal from reducing the CBD oil or, as you noted, it may have interacted with your other drugs. Your nervous system is still hypersensitive. For your hypervigilance, can you play soft music, such as a continuous loop of trance music or meditation music, while you're sleeping? The jerks are a paradoxical effect -- your nervous system is afraid you're going into a coma. But if it can hear the music, it's distracted and keeps calm. After a while, your nervous system may stop being hypervigilant and you'll be able to sleep without music. Or you may find you (and your wife) like it! Hi Alto , I've had histimine issues off and on my entire life ,but not badly. Since I've been off all my antidepressants it seems worse . When I started the cbd oil it seemed to really go up , very stuffy nose, tight throat, hives , that I thought was from laundry detergent. I've had reactions in the past . When I dropped down on the cbd oil it got better in my head not congested. I started at 43 mg December 1st then dropped to 21.5 mg January 4th . I take 21.5 mg Cbd oil in the morning, fish oil pill in the morning. Afternoon, 75 mg Atenolol, for blood pressure, 40 mg statin , 500 mg turmeric, 250 magnesium, 500 mg L-taurine. That's it for meds . I don't sleep with my wife any more, it's been 7 years because of the sleep issues . I used to sleep with the tv on ,but haven't in years , I used the fan for along time and had trouble going with out it , until we had a power outage and I got used to not having it . I'm not sure why I have trouble sleeping with noise or talking any more . Lexapro 1 1/8 mg and 10 mg Propranolol. I jumped down to 2.5 mg lexapro from 5 mg on oct 2 where I had been for 7 months and went from 2.5 mg to 1 1/8 mg not sure when maybe around nov 2 went back up to 2.5 mg December 30 . May 13 small cut lexapro 2.5 mg down to 2.4 mg 9/4/14 dropped 8.33% to 2.2 mg 10/13/14 dropped to 2mg lexapro. Back up to 2.2 mg 10/15/14. Dropped to 2 mg lexapro 11/26/14. Dropped 10% to 1.8 mg lexapro 1/11/15. 2/23/15 . Cut of 5%. 3/11/15 cut of 5% 5/3/15 cut of 5% 6/3/15 cut of 5% 7/19/15 cut of 5%. Continued small cuts of 5% every six weeks or so untill October 8th 2016 ,last dose . Last dose was 0.8mg. Currently taking 10 mg propranolol in the afternoon. 1400mg fish oil. 250 mg magnesium, 250 mg L-Taurine, 500 mg Tumeric. 40 mg Zocore simvistatin. Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted February 3, 2019 Administrator Share Posted February 3, 2019 You're allergic to CBD oil, stop taking it for now. You may wish to move the statin to the morning. A good amount of fish oil is usually 2 softgels three times a day, for 6 a day. Magnesium is best taken in small amounts throughout the day. How about soft music? This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
lobster Posted February 3, 2019 Author Share Posted February 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, Altostrata said: You're allergic to CBD oil, stop taking it for now. You may wish to move the statin to the morning. A good amount of fish oil is usually 2 softgels three times a day, for 6 a day. Magnesium is best taken in small amounts throughout the day. How about soft music? Thanks Alto , should I just stop the entire CBD oil? At the dosage I'm on I'm not having any symptoms. If so I'll stop it tomorrow, will I have and adverse affects? I remember lexapro cold Turkey. I'll try the statin in the morning. I'll try to space my magnesium out . I'm not sure on the soft music, I've never tried that . Lexapro 1 1/8 mg and 10 mg Propranolol. I jumped down to 2.5 mg lexapro from 5 mg on oct 2 where I had been for 7 months and went from 2.5 mg to 1 1/8 mg not sure when maybe around nov 2 went back up to 2.5 mg December 30 . May 13 small cut lexapro 2.5 mg down to 2.4 mg 9/4/14 dropped 8.33% to 2.2 mg 10/13/14 dropped to 2mg lexapro. Back up to 2.2 mg 10/15/14. Dropped to 2 mg lexapro 11/26/14. Dropped 10% to 1.8 mg lexapro 1/11/15. 2/23/15 . Cut of 5%. 3/11/15 cut of 5% 5/3/15 cut of 5% 6/3/15 cut of 5% 7/19/15 cut of 5%. Continued small cuts of 5% every six weeks or so untill October 8th 2016 ,last dose . Last dose was 0.8mg. Currently taking 10 mg propranolol in the afternoon. 1400mg fish oil. 250 mg magnesium, 250 mg L-Taurine, 500 mg Tumeric. 40 mg Zocore simvistatin. Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted February 3, 2019 Administrator Share Posted February 3, 2019 How about cutting the CBD in half again? What effects does it have on you after you take it? This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
lobster Posted February 3, 2019 Author Share Posted February 3, 2019 I can try halving it again . I don't really notice any thing with it , but was nervous of just stopping it . I read it affects seratonin in a similar way as antidepressants, this was after the fact . I probably wouldn't have started it in the beginning, but I was looking for something to make the racing heart stop the minute I fell asleep. It didn't stop it , nothing ever has Lexapro 1 1/8 mg and 10 mg Propranolol. I jumped down to 2.5 mg lexapro from 5 mg on oct 2 where I had been for 7 months and went from 2.5 mg to 1 1/8 mg not sure when maybe around nov 2 went back up to 2.5 mg December 30 . May 13 small cut lexapro 2.5 mg down to 2.4 mg 9/4/14 dropped 8.33% to 2.2 mg 10/13/14 dropped to 2mg lexapro. Back up to 2.2 mg 10/15/14. Dropped to 2 mg lexapro 11/26/14. Dropped 10% to 1.8 mg lexapro 1/11/15. 2/23/15 . Cut of 5%. 3/11/15 cut of 5% 5/3/15 cut of 5% 6/3/15 cut of 5% 7/19/15 cut of 5%. Continued small cuts of 5% every six weeks or so untill October 8th 2016 ,last dose . Last dose was 0.8mg. Currently taking 10 mg propranolol in the afternoon. 1400mg fish oil. 250 mg magnesium, 250 mg L-Taurine, 500 mg Tumeric. 40 mg Zocore simvistatin. Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted February 3, 2019 Administrator Share Posted February 3, 2019 If you're allergic to it, CBD oil might be having more of an effect that you know. Cannabis affects lots of neural receptors. I don't believe it's known to act on serotonin in particular. Also, it has a long half-life, could be that it's adding to that paradoxical reaction when you're trying to sleep. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
lobster Posted February 3, 2019 Author Share Posted February 3, 2019 Thanks Alto , do you think it's better to just stop or cut it in half? Lexapro 1 1/8 mg and 10 mg Propranolol. I jumped down to 2.5 mg lexapro from 5 mg on oct 2 where I had been for 7 months and went from 2.5 mg to 1 1/8 mg not sure when maybe around nov 2 went back up to 2.5 mg December 30 . May 13 small cut lexapro 2.5 mg down to 2.4 mg 9/4/14 dropped 8.33% to 2.2 mg 10/13/14 dropped to 2mg lexapro. Back up to 2.2 mg 10/15/14. Dropped to 2 mg lexapro 11/26/14. Dropped 10% to 1.8 mg lexapro 1/11/15. 2/23/15 . Cut of 5%. 3/11/15 cut of 5% 5/3/15 cut of 5% 6/3/15 cut of 5% 7/19/15 cut of 5%. Continued small cuts of 5% every six weeks or so untill October 8th 2016 ,last dose . Last dose was 0.8mg. Currently taking 10 mg propranolol in the afternoon. 1400mg fish oil. 250 mg magnesium, 250 mg L-Taurine, 500 mg Tumeric. 40 mg Zocore simvistatin. Link to comment
lobster Posted February 3, 2019 Author Share Posted February 3, 2019 This is just pure CBD with out any THC. Lexapro 1 1/8 mg and 10 mg Propranolol. I jumped down to 2.5 mg lexapro from 5 mg on oct 2 where I had been for 7 months and went from 2.5 mg to 1 1/8 mg not sure when maybe around nov 2 went back up to 2.5 mg December 30 . May 13 small cut lexapro 2.5 mg down to 2.4 mg 9/4/14 dropped 8.33% to 2.2 mg 10/13/14 dropped to 2mg lexapro. Back up to 2.2 mg 10/15/14. Dropped to 2 mg lexapro 11/26/14. Dropped 10% to 1.8 mg lexapro 1/11/15. 2/23/15 . Cut of 5%. 3/11/15 cut of 5% 5/3/15 cut of 5% 6/3/15 cut of 5% 7/19/15 cut of 5%. Continued small cuts of 5% every six weeks or so untill October 8th 2016 ,last dose . Last dose was 0.8mg. Currently taking 10 mg propranolol in the afternoon. 1400mg fish oil. 250 mg magnesium, 250 mg L-Taurine, 500 mg Tumeric. 40 mg Zocore simvistatin. Link to comment
lobster Posted February 4, 2019 Author Share Posted February 4, 2019 I have dealt with this sleep problem for many years . It feels like I always have a heaviness in my chest , when I start to relax and fall asleep my body thinks something is wrong and jumps me awake . It's nothing if not persistent. I've looked a little into a procedure called stellate ganglion block . It's been used with some success on blocking the fight or flight response in PTSD and other things . I'm not sure if it would do me any good, or do more harm then good . Thank you for all your help Alto 🙂 Lexapro 1 1/8 mg and 10 mg Propranolol. I jumped down to 2.5 mg lexapro from 5 mg on oct 2 where I had been for 7 months and went from 2.5 mg to 1 1/8 mg not sure when maybe around nov 2 went back up to 2.5 mg December 30 . May 13 small cut lexapro 2.5 mg down to 2.4 mg 9/4/14 dropped 8.33% to 2.2 mg 10/13/14 dropped to 2mg lexapro. Back up to 2.2 mg 10/15/14. Dropped to 2 mg lexapro 11/26/14. Dropped 10% to 1.8 mg lexapro 1/11/15. 2/23/15 . Cut of 5%. 3/11/15 cut of 5% 5/3/15 cut of 5% 6/3/15 cut of 5% 7/19/15 cut of 5%. Continued small cuts of 5% every six weeks or so untill October 8th 2016 ,last dose . Last dose was 0.8mg. Currently taking 10 mg propranolol in the afternoon. 1400mg fish oil. 250 mg magnesium, 250 mg L-Taurine, 500 mg Tumeric. 40 mg Zocore simvistatin. Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted February 4, 2019 Administrator Share Posted February 4, 2019 I don't know much about CBD oil. I'd cut it in half and see what happens. Don't know anything about stellate ganglion block, cannot predict it will be helpful. GiaK had it. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
lobster Posted February 4, 2019 Author Share Posted February 4, 2019 Just now, Altostrata said: I don't know much about CBD oil. I'd cut it in half and see what happens. Don't know anything about stellate ganglion block, cannot predict it will be helpful. GiaK had it. Thanks Alto , I cut it in half this morning. I tried the soft music last night, and started to drift off ,but jumped ,so I turned it off and went back to sleep. I'm not sure if I can catch on to it or not lol. Lexapro 1 1/8 mg and 10 mg Propranolol. I jumped down to 2.5 mg lexapro from 5 mg on oct 2 where I had been for 7 months and went from 2.5 mg to 1 1/8 mg not sure when maybe around nov 2 went back up to 2.5 mg December 30 . May 13 small cut lexapro 2.5 mg down to 2.4 mg 9/4/14 dropped 8.33% to 2.2 mg 10/13/14 dropped to 2mg lexapro. Back up to 2.2 mg 10/15/14. Dropped to 2 mg lexapro 11/26/14. Dropped 10% to 1.8 mg lexapro 1/11/15. 2/23/15 . Cut of 5%. 3/11/15 cut of 5% 5/3/15 cut of 5% 6/3/15 cut of 5% 7/19/15 cut of 5%. Continued small cuts of 5% every six weeks or so untill October 8th 2016 ,last dose . Last dose was 0.8mg. Currently taking 10 mg propranolol in the afternoon. 1400mg fish oil. 250 mg magnesium, 250 mg L-Taurine, 500 mg Tumeric. 40 mg Zocore simvistatin. Link to comment
lobster Posted February 4, 2019 Author Share Posted February 4, 2019 I also see the statin zocore, is the most problematic for causing sleep issues , as it crosses the blood brain barrier. There is a different type that does not do that , I'm wondering if it might be worth trying to switch statins ? Just a thought . I also switched it to morning, today . Thanks for your help ,it's mych appreciated.. Lexapro 1 1/8 mg and 10 mg Propranolol. I jumped down to 2.5 mg lexapro from 5 mg on oct 2 where I had been for 7 months and went from 2.5 mg to 1 1/8 mg not sure when maybe around nov 2 went back up to 2.5 mg December 30 . May 13 small cut lexapro 2.5 mg down to 2.4 mg 9/4/14 dropped 8.33% to 2.2 mg 10/13/14 dropped to 2mg lexapro. Back up to 2.2 mg 10/15/14. Dropped to 2 mg lexapro 11/26/14. Dropped 10% to 1.8 mg lexapro 1/11/15. 2/23/15 . Cut of 5%. 3/11/15 cut of 5% 5/3/15 cut of 5% 6/3/15 cut of 5% 7/19/15 cut of 5%. Continued small cuts of 5% every six weeks or so untill October 8th 2016 ,last dose . Last dose was 0.8mg. Currently taking 10 mg propranolol in the afternoon. 1400mg fish oil. 250 mg magnesium, 250 mg L-Taurine, 500 mg Tumeric. 40 mg Zocore simvistatin. Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted February 5, 2019 Administrator Share Posted February 5, 2019 Let's see if morning statin helps. I'd keep going with the soft music. Maybe even softer. If you jump, drift off again. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
lobster Posted February 5, 2019 Author Share Posted February 5, 2019 8 hours ago, Altostrata said: Let's see if morning statin helps. I'd keep going with the soft music. Maybe even softer. If you jump, drift off again. Thanks Alto , I'll give the music another go 🙂 hopefully switching the time of my statin around helps and dropping the cbd oil dosage will help . I'm still having some issues getting to sleep right now and anxiety over it , but the twitching and shaking when trying to get to sleep are getting better again . I didn't have any last night . Maybe when I settle down some the music wont bother and I'll get used to it to. I think my anxiety peaked the other day and is coming down some. I've had this happen several times over the years , but it's hard to go a couple years ,then be hit like this again . I get comfortable over time and do things, like have a few drinks, not realizing my nervous system is still not stable. I keep throwing it over a cliff it seems lol, but if I am comfortable enough to try and be my old self some, perhaps I am healing. Thanks again Alto for all your help, I really appreciate it 🙂 Lexapro 1 1/8 mg and 10 mg Propranolol. I jumped down to 2.5 mg lexapro from 5 mg on oct 2 where I had been for 7 months and went from 2.5 mg to 1 1/8 mg not sure when maybe around nov 2 went back up to 2.5 mg December 30 . May 13 small cut lexapro 2.5 mg down to 2.4 mg 9/4/14 dropped 8.33% to 2.2 mg 10/13/14 dropped to 2mg lexapro. Back up to 2.2 mg 10/15/14. Dropped to 2 mg lexapro 11/26/14. Dropped 10% to 1.8 mg lexapro 1/11/15. 2/23/15 . Cut of 5%. 3/11/15 cut of 5% 5/3/15 cut of 5% 6/3/15 cut of 5% 7/19/15 cut of 5%. Continued small cuts of 5% every six weeks or so untill October 8th 2016 ,last dose . Last dose was 0.8mg. Currently taking 10 mg propranolol in the afternoon. 1400mg fish oil. 250 mg magnesium, 250 mg L-Taurine, 500 mg Tumeric. 40 mg Zocore simvistatin. Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted February 5, 2019 Administrator Share Posted February 5, 2019 I've always found following soft music with my mind to be a very calming form of meditation. The music should be very, very soft, only to the point that you can hear it and follow it. (Note to self: Do this more often.) This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
lobster Posted February 5, 2019 Author Share Posted February 5, 2019 9 minutes ago, Altostrata said: 10 minutes ago, Altostrata said: I've always found following soft music with my mind to be a very calming form of meditation. The music should be very, very soft, only to the point that you can hear it and follow it. (Note to self: Do this more often.) 8 minutes ago, Altostrata said: Lol, I'll give this another try and see if I can drift off listening to it . Lexapro 1 1/8 mg and 10 mg Propranolol. I jumped down to 2.5 mg lexapro from 5 mg on oct 2 where I had been for 7 months and went from 2.5 mg to 1 1/8 mg not sure when maybe around nov 2 went back up to 2.5 mg December 30 . May 13 small cut lexapro 2.5 mg down to 2.4 mg 9/4/14 dropped 8.33% to 2.2 mg 10/13/14 dropped to 2mg lexapro. Back up to 2.2 mg 10/15/14. Dropped to 2 mg lexapro 11/26/14. Dropped 10% to 1.8 mg lexapro 1/11/15. 2/23/15 . Cut of 5%. 3/11/15 cut of 5% 5/3/15 cut of 5% 6/3/15 cut of 5% 7/19/15 cut of 5%. Continued small cuts of 5% every six weeks or so untill October 8th 2016 ,last dose . Last dose was 0.8mg. Currently taking 10 mg propranolol in the afternoon. 1400mg fish oil. 250 mg magnesium, 250 mg L-Taurine, 500 mg Tumeric. 40 mg Zocore simvistatin. Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted February 5, 2019 Administrator Share Posted February 5, 2019 Continuous loop is best. A lot of meditation music just goes on and on. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
lobster Posted February 6, 2019 Author Share Posted February 6, 2019 9 hours ago, Altostrata said: Continuous loop is best. A lot of meditation music just goes on and on. Good morning Alto , I'm assuming when you mean soft music, your not talking about 80s soft rock lol. I found something called ,Weightless", Marconi Union ,on You Tube, it was 10 hours . I put that on and accidentally fell asleep for half an hour before bed time , then had it playing for the rest of the night . I woke up a couple times in the night , but went back to sleep. I didn't have any issues at all , I do get the feeling I was aware, that it was playing while I was sleeping , if that makes sense at all . I had no sleep jerks , or any thing last night of any kind . As of right now , I've switched my statin to morning , cut the CBD oil down from 43mg to about 10mg , I'll give it a little while at this dosage , then stop it all together. Now I have music playing at night . The only medication I'm on that precedes my antidepressant use is the zocore statin , I've been on that many years. From my research, if a person is going to have troubles with one ,it's this one . My head is always foggy, and I do have memory issues to a degree and have for many years , my head never cleares out . I'm not sure if there is any connection, but it might not be helping. I was told along time ago , that any thing that crosses the blood brain barrier, could be harming my nervous system, I'm not sure on that . Thank for your help Alto 🙂 Lexapro 1 1/8 mg and 10 mg Propranolol. I jumped down to 2.5 mg lexapro from 5 mg on oct 2 where I had been for 7 months and went from 2.5 mg to 1 1/8 mg not sure when maybe around nov 2 went back up to 2.5 mg December 30 . May 13 small cut lexapro 2.5 mg down to 2.4 mg 9/4/14 dropped 8.33% to 2.2 mg 10/13/14 dropped to 2mg lexapro. Back up to 2.2 mg 10/15/14. Dropped to 2 mg lexapro 11/26/14. Dropped 10% to 1.8 mg lexapro 1/11/15. 2/23/15 . Cut of 5%. 3/11/15 cut of 5% 5/3/15 cut of 5% 6/3/15 cut of 5% 7/19/15 cut of 5%. Continued small cuts of 5% every six weeks or so untill October 8th 2016 ,last dose . Last dose was 0.8mg. Currently taking 10 mg propranolol in the afternoon. 1400mg fish oil. 250 mg magnesium, 250 mg L-Taurine, 500 mg Tumeric. 40 mg Zocore simvistatin. Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted February 6, 2019 Administrator Share Posted February 6, 2019 Very happy this worked! Yes, your nervous system needs to hear the music for reassurance. The music keeps it a little bit awake, preventing you from sliding into the deepest sleep, but it will get used to your sleeping and over time, allow you to sleep more deeply. Eventually, it won't need the music to be reassured you're still alive, it will reset to a less sensitive level. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
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