JackalSmacker Posted November 8, 2014 Author Share Posted November 8, 2014 Like 12.5 mg? Cause that seems to be as low as I can go without getting the liquid form. Started zoloft 100 mg in 2001 Went off cold turkey in 2005, reinstated several months later Reduced to 75 mg on Nov. 9, 2013 Reduced to 50 mg on Jan. 1, 2014 Reduced to 25 mg zoloft + 10 mg prozac on April 29, 2014 Reduced to 12.5 mg zoloft + 10 mg prozac on May 6, 2014 Reduced to 10 mg prozac on May 14, 2014 Went to 5 mg prozac + 12.5 mg zoloft on Nov. 10, 2014 Went to 25 mg zoloft on Nov. 17, 2014 Went to 50 mg zoloft on Jan. 8, 2015 Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted November 9, 2014 Administrator Share Posted November 9, 2014 Personally, I would add a lot less, maybe 2mg. You know the deal with making a liquid. I have no idea what will happen if you add Zoloft or switch. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
JackalSmacker Posted November 10, 2014 Author Share Posted November 10, 2014 Well this will be an interesting little experiment, then. I feel like I've given the prozac a good, long chance (six months) to do its thing so I think this change will be good. Or, at the very worst, neutral. Started zoloft 100 mg in 2001 Went off cold turkey in 2005, reinstated several months later Reduced to 75 mg on Nov. 9, 2013 Reduced to 50 mg on Jan. 1, 2014 Reduced to 25 mg zoloft + 10 mg prozac on April 29, 2014 Reduced to 12.5 mg zoloft + 10 mg prozac on May 6, 2014 Reduced to 10 mg prozac on May 14, 2014 Went to 5 mg prozac + 12.5 mg zoloft on Nov. 10, 2014 Went to 25 mg zoloft on Nov. 17, 2014 Went to 50 mg zoloft on Jan. 8, 2015 Link to comment
JackalSmacker Posted November 12, 2014 Author Share Posted November 12, 2014 On Saturday and Sunday I took 10 mg of prozac along with 12.5 mg of zoloft and had trouble sleeping. Since Monday I've been taking 5 mg of prozac and 12.5 mg of zoloft and though I haven't noticed any drastic changes, my cognition seems to be better. The 10 mg of prozac seemed to freeze my brain up or something and now it feels a bit more fluid. I occasionally get a tad bit of nausea but it's not all that bad and comes and goes pretty quickly. Think I'll stick to this regimen for the next week and then go up to the full 25 mg of zoloft. Would you all recommend keeping the 5 mg of prozac around for a few days after that? Started zoloft 100 mg in 2001 Went off cold turkey in 2005, reinstated several months later Reduced to 75 mg on Nov. 9, 2013 Reduced to 50 mg on Jan. 1, 2014 Reduced to 25 mg zoloft + 10 mg prozac on April 29, 2014 Reduced to 12.5 mg zoloft + 10 mg prozac on May 6, 2014 Reduced to 10 mg prozac on May 14, 2014 Went to 5 mg prozac + 12.5 mg zoloft on Nov. 10, 2014 Went to 25 mg zoloft on Nov. 17, 2014 Went to 50 mg zoloft on Jan. 8, 2015 Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted November 12, 2014 Administrator Share Posted November 12, 2014 It takes at least 4 days for your nervous system to fully register any drug changes. You haven't stayed 4 days at any of those combinations. The jury is still out. If I were you, I'd stay at 12.5mg Zoloft for a while to see if that works before considering an increase. There may be no need to make a huge jump to 25mg -- unless you like jumping around. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
JackalSmacker Posted November 12, 2014 Author Share Posted November 12, 2014 So drop the prozac altogether and stay at 12.5 zoloft after a week? Started zoloft 100 mg in 2001 Went off cold turkey in 2005, reinstated several months later Reduced to 75 mg on Nov. 9, 2013 Reduced to 50 mg on Jan. 1, 2014 Reduced to 25 mg zoloft + 10 mg prozac on April 29, 2014 Reduced to 12.5 mg zoloft + 10 mg prozac on May 6, 2014 Reduced to 10 mg prozac on May 14, 2014 Went to 5 mg prozac + 12.5 mg zoloft on Nov. 10, 2014 Went to 25 mg zoloft on Nov. 17, 2014 Went to 50 mg zoloft on Jan. 8, 2015 Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted November 12, 2014 Administrator Share Posted November 12, 2014 I don't know what to say. We can't tell what's going on yet. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
JackalSmacker Posted November 13, 2014 Author Share Posted November 13, 2014 Ok, will post updates as they occur. Started zoloft 100 mg in 2001 Went off cold turkey in 2005, reinstated several months later Reduced to 75 mg on Nov. 9, 2013 Reduced to 50 mg on Jan. 1, 2014 Reduced to 25 mg zoloft + 10 mg prozac on April 29, 2014 Reduced to 12.5 mg zoloft + 10 mg prozac on May 6, 2014 Reduced to 10 mg prozac on May 14, 2014 Went to 5 mg prozac + 12.5 mg zoloft on Nov. 10, 2014 Went to 25 mg zoloft on Nov. 17, 2014 Went to 50 mg zoloft on Jan. 8, 2015 Link to comment
btdt Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 This could still be a reaction to the folate. Our bodies are incredibly complex, more than we can even imagine or conceive. Once you start looking at how biochemistry works it's very sobering. You tweak one thing and it affects a hundred things downstream, all of which affect other things, which feed back into the first things again. It's immense. And it sounds like you were taking pretty high dose folate. So that's one thing, you might think about giving it more time. As far as going back on Zoloft, well, it's anybody's guess, but my own guess is that given your history it's not going to give you the results you're hoping for, because once the nervous system is screwed up and destabilized, changing things can have really unexpected effects. And usually it doesn't fix things and then you're just even more unstable. But sometimes it works for people. It sounds to me like 25 mg would be a big jump up from what you're on now though, could you think about a lower dose? Rhi I tried to pm you to ask what to expect from a high dose of folate but can't pm you could you answer this either here or in a pm thanks. B WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted November 15, 2014 Administrator Share Posted November 15, 2014 Please discuss folate in the Symptoms forum. This is JackalSmacker's topic. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
JackalSmacker Posted November 25, 2014 Author Share Posted November 25, 2014 This marks the second week of being on 25 mg of setraline and things are a bit better. I don't have the horrible morning anxiety anymore and my brain doesn't feel like a machine whose gears have rusted together, meaning I can think much more fluidly and am not in near-constant psychic pain. Still nowhere near 100% (or 70% or 80% for that matter) of my former capacity but at least I can be comfortable in this space and hope for further healing before I even consider reducing dosages. Started zoloft 100 mg in 2001 Went off cold turkey in 2005, reinstated several months later Reduced to 75 mg on Nov. 9, 2013 Reduced to 50 mg on Jan. 1, 2014 Reduced to 25 mg zoloft + 10 mg prozac on April 29, 2014 Reduced to 12.5 mg zoloft + 10 mg prozac on May 6, 2014 Reduced to 10 mg prozac on May 14, 2014 Went to 5 mg prozac + 12.5 mg zoloft on Nov. 10, 2014 Went to 25 mg zoloft on Nov. 17, 2014 Went to 50 mg zoloft on Jan. 8, 2015 Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Rhiannon Posted November 25, 2014 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted November 25, 2014 Thanks JS, please keep us posted. Everything you experience and share with us, gives me more information that I can use to help other people. So thanks for updating. Hopefully this will go well for you and you'll get stable and eventually be in a good place to taper down off that last 25 mg. Started on Prozac and Xanax in 1992 for PTSD after an assault. One drug led to more, the usual story. Got sicker and sicker, but believed I needed the drugs for my "underlying disease". Long story...lost everything. Life savings, home, physical and mental health, relationships, friendships, ability to work, everything. Amitryptiline, Prozac, bupropion, buspirone, flurazepam, diazepam, alprazolam, Paxil, citalopram, lamotrigine, gabapentin...probably more I've forgotten. Started multidrug taper in Feb 2010. Doing a very slow microtaper, down to low doses now and feeling SO much better, getting my old personality and my brain back! Able to work full time, have a full social life, and cope with stress better than ever. Not perfect, but much better. After 23 lost years. Big Pharma has a lot to answer for. And "medicine for profit" is just not a great idea. Feb 15 2010: 300 mg Neurontin 200 Lamictal 10 Celexa 0.65 Xanax and 5 mg Ambien Feb 10 2014: 62 Lamictal 1.1 Celexa 0.135 Xanax 1.8 Valium Feb 10 2015: 50 Lamictal 0.875 Celexa 0.11 Xanax 1.5 Valium Feb 15 2016: 47.5 Lamictal 0.75 Celexa 0.0875 Xanax 1.42 Valium 2/12/20 12 0.045 0.007 1 May 2021 7 0.01 0.0037 1 Feb 2022 6 0!!! 0.00167 0.98 2.5 mg Ambien Oct 2022 4.5 mg Lamictal (off Celexa, off Xanax) 0.95 Valium Ambien, 1/4 to 1/2 of a 5 mg tablet I'm not a doctor. Any advice I give is just my civilian opinion. Link to comment
JackalSmacker Posted November 25, 2014 Author Share Posted November 25, 2014 Yeah, I wish the prozac bridging technique had worked but for whatever reason that stuff just didn't agree with me. I was looking forward to having the long half-life advantage of the prozac but in retrospect I think I like the idea of being able to feel a dosage change much sooner and, consequently, be able to register any counter-actions just as quickly. Plus, as I said, I'm much for comfortable on the setraline. Might try a reduction after the holidays but it all depends (of course) on how I'm feeling. Started zoloft 100 mg in 2001 Went off cold turkey in 2005, reinstated several months later Reduced to 75 mg on Nov. 9, 2013 Reduced to 50 mg on Jan. 1, 2014 Reduced to 25 mg zoloft + 10 mg prozac on April 29, 2014 Reduced to 12.5 mg zoloft + 10 mg prozac on May 6, 2014 Reduced to 10 mg prozac on May 14, 2014 Went to 5 mg prozac + 12.5 mg zoloft on Nov. 10, 2014 Went to 25 mg zoloft on Nov. 17, 2014 Went to 50 mg zoloft on Jan. 8, 2015 Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted November 28, 2014 Administrator Share Posted November 28, 2014 We always urge people to try a direct taper off an antidepressant rather than a switch to Prozac, etc. because switches add more risk to the process. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
JackalSmacker Posted December 2, 2014 Author Share Posted December 2, 2014 Guess I should have stuck with the zoloft after all. Live and learn, I guess. Just wish I wouldn't have wasted six months monkeying around with prozac. Oh well. I feel okay now so I can't really complain, but it's kind of a weird plane of existence being on a low dose of AD: it's seems to be just enough of the drug to let you know it's there but not enough to really make a big therapeutic difference. Started zoloft 100 mg in 2001 Went off cold turkey in 2005, reinstated several months later Reduced to 75 mg on Nov. 9, 2013 Reduced to 50 mg on Jan. 1, 2014 Reduced to 25 mg zoloft + 10 mg prozac on April 29, 2014 Reduced to 12.5 mg zoloft + 10 mg prozac on May 6, 2014 Reduced to 10 mg prozac on May 14, 2014 Went to 5 mg prozac + 12.5 mg zoloft on Nov. 10, 2014 Went to 25 mg zoloft on Nov. 17, 2014 Went to 50 mg zoloft on Jan. 8, 2015 Link to comment
JackalSmacker Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share Posted December 9, 2014 So this doesn't really pertain directly to withdrawal (I don't think) but maybe more to mental health overall. Last week I had a large cyst removed from my earlobe and the doctor prescribed vicodin to help manage the post-op pain. I have taken them as directed and ran out Sunday afternoon. Woke up Monday (yesterday) and felt a little anxious and out of it for the rest of the day. This morning I had serious anxiety/depression and just wanted to curl into a ball and never come out from under the covers. Could this be some kind of minor withdrawal from the vicodin? I haven't had that terrible morning anxiety in quite some time so I'm thinking it's gotta be the pills. Anyone one else have experience with this kind of thing? Started zoloft 100 mg in 2001 Went off cold turkey in 2005, reinstated several months later Reduced to 75 mg on Nov. 9, 2013 Reduced to 50 mg on Jan. 1, 2014 Reduced to 25 mg zoloft + 10 mg prozac on April 29, 2014 Reduced to 12.5 mg zoloft + 10 mg prozac on May 6, 2014 Reduced to 10 mg prozac on May 14, 2014 Went to 5 mg prozac + 12.5 mg zoloft on Nov. 10, 2014 Went to 25 mg zoloft on Nov. 17, 2014 Went to 50 mg zoloft on Jan. 8, 2015 Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus mammaP Posted December 9, 2014 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted December 9, 2014 Yes I think it probably destabilised your nervous system, it wouldn't take much when in withdrawal. I hope you are recovering ok and not in pain, and that things settle down again soon. **I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge. Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem) 1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat 2002 effexor. Tapered March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads. Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013 Restarted taper Nov 2013 OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015 Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014 Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg July 2017 30mg. May 15 2018 25mg Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33 Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible Link to comment
JackalSmacker Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 It's been several days since I started feeling crappy and things haven't seemed to have gotten any better. I am now getting the anxiety pretty much all day and it has started to make me nauseated and really uncomfortable. Just an overall sick feeling, like light poisoning or something. Seeing as a quit the prozac a little over three weeks ago could this be the drop hitting me this far out? If so that's pretty incredible but I know that with it's crazy-long half life that this kind of thing can and does happen. Any ideas about how long it'll take to stabilize, assuming this is the prozac fallout? Started zoloft 100 mg in 2001 Went off cold turkey in 2005, reinstated several months later Reduced to 75 mg on Nov. 9, 2013 Reduced to 50 mg on Jan. 1, 2014 Reduced to 25 mg zoloft + 10 mg prozac on April 29, 2014 Reduced to 12.5 mg zoloft + 10 mg prozac on May 6, 2014 Reduced to 10 mg prozac on May 14, 2014 Went to 5 mg prozac + 12.5 mg zoloft on Nov. 10, 2014 Went to 25 mg zoloft on Nov. 17, 2014 Went to 50 mg zoloft on Jan. 8, 2015 Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus mammaP Posted December 11, 2014 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted December 11, 2014 Sorry you are feeling bad JS, sadly no-one can say how long this will take to settle down, everyone is different and there are no real time frames. You will probably experience windows and waves for a while until you stabilise. I hope you feel better soon JS. **I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge. Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem) 1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat 2002 effexor. Tapered March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads. Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013 Restarted taper Nov 2013 OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015 Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014 Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg July 2017 30mg. May 15 2018 25mg Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33 Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible Link to comment
JackalSmacker Posted December 12, 2014 Author Share Posted December 12, 2014 Cool, thanks, mammaP. Guess I'll just do what all of us here do: take it one day at a time. Started zoloft 100 mg in 2001 Went off cold turkey in 2005, reinstated several months later Reduced to 75 mg on Nov. 9, 2013 Reduced to 50 mg on Jan. 1, 2014 Reduced to 25 mg zoloft + 10 mg prozac on April 29, 2014 Reduced to 12.5 mg zoloft + 10 mg prozac on May 6, 2014 Reduced to 10 mg prozac on May 14, 2014 Went to 5 mg prozac + 12.5 mg zoloft on Nov. 10, 2014 Went to 25 mg zoloft on Nov. 17, 2014 Went to 50 mg zoloft on Jan. 8, 2015 Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted December 12, 2014 Administrator Share Posted December 12, 2014 What are you taking now? Please update your signature. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
JackalSmacker Posted December 16, 2014 Author Share Posted December 16, 2014 I am still at 25 mg zoloft and nothing else. Started zoloft 100 mg in 2001 Went off cold turkey in 2005, reinstated several months later Reduced to 75 mg on Nov. 9, 2013 Reduced to 50 mg on Jan. 1, 2014 Reduced to 25 mg zoloft + 10 mg prozac on April 29, 2014 Reduced to 12.5 mg zoloft + 10 mg prozac on May 6, 2014 Reduced to 10 mg prozac on May 14, 2014 Went to 5 mg prozac + 12.5 mg zoloft on Nov. 10, 2014 Went to 25 mg zoloft on Nov. 17, 2014 Went to 50 mg zoloft on Jan. 8, 2015 Link to comment
JackalSmacker Posted December 18, 2014 Author Share Posted December 18, 2014 I mentioned this in another thread but I'm really tempted to go back up to 50 mg right now. The anxiety, dizziness (along with mild zaps, which are new) and depression are really bad and I don't know how much longer I can/want to feel like this. But another part of me is tempted to start reducing again from here to see if things get better, though I know it can probably only get worse. I've been through such a ringer over the last few months that just cruising along at 50 mg for a few months just to catch my breath sounds like a good idea. Started zoloft 100 mg in 2001 Went off cold turkey in 2005, reinstated several months later Reduced to 75 mg on Nov. 9, 2013 Reduced to 50 mg on Jan. 1, 2014 Reduced to 25 mg zoloft + 10 mg prozac on April 29, 2014 Reduced to 12.5 mg zoloft + 10 mg prozac on May 6, 2014 Reduced to 10 mg prozac on May 14, 2014 Went to 5 mg prozac + 12.5 mg zoloft on Nov. 10, 2014 Went to 25 mg zoloft on Nov. 17, 2014 Went to 50 mg zoloft on Jan. 8, 2015 Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted December 19, 2014 Administrator Share Posted December 19, 2014 Dude, you keep on getting into trouble by jumping up and down with your drugs. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
LexAnger Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Hi JS, I understand your temptation changing doses/drugs when in disparate. I had the same feeling and did the same which only led to more damage and worsening symptoms. Eventually I ordered myself to stop doing so even I believe I was not on the right dose. It seems to me not the dosage but more the dose change is causing more problems. After I stopped jumping up and down, instead holding there followed by super slow taper, situation got improved very slowly but it did improve with some of the symptoms ( brain non- functioning, blured vision, needling, DPDR etc.) disappeared and others ( severe pain all over, numbness, pressure ) lessoned. Stabilizing is the first step to alow your body and mind to be ready for a successful taper. All in all, change is the biggest challenge and risk and why taper is all we have been talking about. I hope you eventually feel comfortable with displine of minimal change regardless how bad you feel. Once you experience the initial benefit of holding, you will feel more confident of holding. Drug free Sep. 23 2017 2009 Mar.: lexapro 10mg for headache for 2 weeks. 2009-2012: on and off 1/4 to 1/3 of 10mg 2012 June--2013 Jan,: 1/4-1/3 of 10mg generic, bad jaw pain 2013 Jan-Mar: 10 mg generic. severe jaw and head pain; 2013 Mar--Aug. started tapering (liquid ever since) from 10 to 5 (one step) then gradually down to 2.25 mg by July. first ever panic attack, severe head/jaw pain 2013 Aug.: back to 2.75 mg; Nov: back to Brand Lex. 2.75mg -- 3mg, 2014 June: stopped PPI, head pressure/numbness. up-dosed 4.5mg, severe reaction mental symptoms added on 2014 Aug--2015 Aug: Micro taper down to 3.2mg, .025mg (<1%) cut holding 2-3 weeks. 2015 Aug 15th, Accidental one dose of 4.2mg. worsening brain non-functional, swollen head, body, coma like, DR 2016 Feb., started dosing 10am through 11 pm everyday 2/13--3.2mg, 3/15-- 2.9mg, 4/19-- 2.6mg, 6/26--2.2mg, 7/22 --1.9mg, 8/16--1.8mg，8/31--1.7m g, 9/13--1.6mg, 9/27--1.5mg, 10/8--1.4mg, 10/14--1.3mg， 11/1--1.2mg, 11/29--1.1mg, 12/12--1mg, 12/22--0.9mg 2017: 1/7--0.8mg, 1/15--0.7mg, 1/17--0.6mg, 1/20--0.52, 1/21--0.4mg, 1/22--0.26, 1/23--0.2, 2/13--0.13mg, 2/20--0.06mg, 3/18--0.13mg, 6/1--0.12mg, 7/6--0.1mg, 7/14--0.08mg, 8/17--0.04mg, 8/20--0.03mg, 8/28--0.02mg, 9/6--0.0205mg, 9/8--0.02mg, 9/17--0.015mg, 9/20--0.01mg, 9/21--0.0048mg, 9/22--0.0001mg, Link to comment
btdt Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 ". The anxiety, dizziness (along with mild zaps, which are new) and depression are really bad" You have had dizziness before right was it the same as it is now? The brain zaps being new is interesting. I don't recall having brain zaps until I quit taking effexor but my memory is not so hot. I am not sure what it means. If I were you I would be doing some searching on brain zaps since it is the new symptom which is odd to me at least. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted December 21, 2014 Administrator Share Posted December 21, 2014 Excellent advice, LexAnger. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
JackalSmacker Posted December 22, 2014 Author Share Posted December 22, 2014 I agree. Will hold here for a few months. Thanks, everyone! Started zoloft 100 mg in 2001 Went off cold turkey in 2005, reinstated several months later Reduced to 75 mg on Nov. 9, 2013 Reduced to 50 mg on Jan. 1, 2014 Reduced to 25 mg zoloft + 10 mg prozac on April 29, 2014 Reduced to 12.5 mg zoloft + 10 mg prozac on May 6, 2014 Reduced to 10 mg prozac on May 14, 2014 Went to 5 mg prozac + 12.5 mg zoloft on Nov. 10, 2014 Went to 25 mg zoloft on Nov. 17, 2014 Went to 50 mg zoloft on Jan. 8, 2015 Link to comment
btdt Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 I missed some bits not sure how but I did and either coming off vicodin or delayed prozac withdrawal can make you feel bad but I would guess the brain zaps you never had before are from the prozac delayed withdrawal is not rare and can happen with any Ad. For example withdrawal from Effexor the cold turkey I did hit at 6wks out. I had not brain zaps before then. Hold steady and try some of the self help ideas to see you thru the rough spots often a relaxation video or bath goes a long way in keeping symptoms down try to stay away from sugar and caffeine too if you can or lessen it if you can't. peace WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted December 23, 2014 Administrator Share Posted December 23, 2014 Very hard to tell at this point. The zaps could be from coming off the Prozac. Too many changes. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
LexAnger Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Thanks Alto! A bloody lesson learned. Drug free Sep. 23 2017 2009 Mar.: lexapro 10mg for headache for 2 weeks. 2009-2012: on and off 1/4 to 1/3 of 10mg 2012 June--2013 Jan,: 1/4-1/3 of 10mg generic, bad jaw pain 2013 Jan-Mar: 10 mg generic. severe jaw and head pain; 2013 Mar--Aug. started tapering (liquid ever since) from 10 to 5 (one step) then gradually down to 2.25 mg by July. first ever panic attack, severe head/jaw pain 2013 Aug.: back to 2.75 mg; Nov: back to Brand Lex. 2.75mg -- 3mg, 2014 June: stopped PPI, head pressure/numbness. up-dosed 4.5mg, severe reaction mental symptoms added on 2014 Aug--2015 Aug: Micro taper down to 3.2mg, .025mg (<1%) cut holding 2-3 weeks. 2015 Aug 15th, Accidental one dose of 4.2mg. worsening brain non-functional, swollen head, body, coma like, DR 2016 Feb., started dosing 10am through 11 pm everyday 2/13--3.2mg, 3/15-- 2.9mg, 4/19-- 2.6mg, 6/26--2.2mg, 7/22 --1.9mg, 8/16--1.8mg，8/31--1.7m g, 9/13--1.6mg, 9/27--1.5mg, 10/8--1.4mg, 10/14--1.3mg， 11/1--1.2mg, 11/29--1.1mg, 12/12--1mg, 12/22--0.9mg 2017: 1/7--0.8mg, 1/15--0.7mg, 1/17--0.6mg, 1/20--0.52, 1/21--0.4mg, 1/22--0.26, 1/23--0.2, 2/13--0.13mg, 2/20--0.06mg, 3/18--0.13mg, 6/1--0.12mg, 7/6--0.1mg, 7/14--0.08mg, 8/17--0.04mg, 8/20--0.03mg, 8/28--0.02mg, 9/6--0.0205mg, 9/8--0.02mg, 9/17--0.015mg, 9/20--0.01mg, 9/21--0.0048mg, 9/22--0.0001mg, Link to comment
LoveandLight Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 How are you? 2000 - sertraline for job anxiety low confidence (17 years old) ..which turned the next 16 years into nightmare! On/off sertraline severe withdrawals every time. 2014 - felt better as reduced dose of sertraline no more inner restlessness. Doctor rushed off again. Hit severe withdrawal. Lost the little I had in life. Couldn't get stable again on 12.5mg. Was switched to prozac. Had severe reaction to prozac..came off in November 2015 at 6mg as felt more confused and damaged on it..Even more withdrawal ..rage, depression, dyphoria, near constant suicidal ideation, self harm impulses, doom, concrete block in head, unable to do much of anything with this feeling in head..went back on 6mg of sertraline to see if would alleviate anything. It didn't..reduced from December to June 2016 came off at 2.5mg sertraline as was hospitalised for the severe rage, suicidal impulses, and put on 50mg lofepramine which in 2nd week reduced all symptoms but gave insomnia which still have..psych stopped lofepramine cold turkey..no increased withdrawal symptoms new symptoms from lofepramine except persistant insomnia which has as side effect. Taking Ativan for 8 months for the severe rage self harm impulses 1-3 times a week (mostly 2 times a week) at .5mg. Two months (I'm unsure exactly when the interdose started to happen) ago interdose withdrawal seemed to happen..2 days I think after the Ativan. Nightmare that could have been avoided! Link to comment
JackalSmacker Posted December 30, 2014 Author Share Posted December 30, 2014 I'm doing pretty well, all things considered. Mornings are still pretty tough but once I'm out of bed and moving it gets better. I actually really look forward to getting to work these days just to give me something to do and engage with. I've started taking some DHA Max fish oil from Jarrow and I think it's been having a positive (albeit slight) effect. Seems to provide a buffer (kind of like the ADs do) against getting too low and going to that dark place. I only hope effect continues and possibly increases over time! Started zoloft 100 mg in 2001 Went off cold turkey in 2005, reinstated several months later Reduced to 75 mg on Nov. 9, 2013 Reduced to 50 mg on Jan. 1, 2014 Reduced to 25 mg zoloft + 10 mg prozac on April 29, 2014 Reduced to 12.5 mg zoloft + 10 mg prozac on May 6, 2014 Reduced to 10 mg prozac on May 14, 2014 Went to 5 mg prozac + 12.5 mg zoloft on Nov. 10, 2014 Went to 25 mg zoloft on Nov. 17, 2014 Went to 50 mg zoloft on Jan. 8, 2015 Link to comment
LoveandLight Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Sounds good glad for you. Are you still on 25mg? 2000 - sertraline for job anxiety low confidence (17 years old) ..which turned the next 16 years into nightmare! On/off sertraline severe withdrawals every time. 2014 - felt better as reduced dose of sertraline no more inner restlessness. Doctor rushed off again. Hit severe withdrawal. Lost the little I had in life. Couldn't get stable again on 12.5mg. Was switched to prozac. Had severe reaction to prozac..came off in November 2015 at 6mg as felt more confused and damaged on it..Even more withdrawal ..rage, depression, dyphoria, near constant suicidal ideation, self harm impulses, doom, concrete block in head, unable to do much of anything with this feeling in head..went back on 6mg of sertraline to see if would alleviate anything. It didn't..reduced from December to June 2016 came off at 2.5mg sertraline as was hospitalised for the severe rage, suicidal impulses, and put on 50mg lofepramine which in 2nd week reduced all symptoms but gave insomnia which still have..psych stopped lofepramine cold turkey..no increased withdrawal symptoms new symptoms from lofepramine except persistant insomnia which has as side effect. Taking Ativan for 8 months for the severe rage self harm impulses 1-3 times a week (mostly 2 times a week) at .5mg. Two months (I'm unsure exactly when the interdose started to happen) ago interdose withdrawal seemed to happen..2 days I think after the Ativan. Nightmare that could have been avoided! Link to comment
JackalSmacker Posted December 30, 2014 Author Share Posted December 30, 2014 I am indeed. Started zoloft 100 mg in 2001 Went off cold turkey in 2005, reinstated several months later Reduced to 75 mg on Nov. 9, 2013 Reduced to 50 mg on Jan. 1, 2014 Reduced to 25 mg zoloft + 10 mg prozac on April 29, 2014 Reduced to 12.5 mg zoloft + 10 mg prozac on May 6, 2014 Reduced to 10 mg prozac on May 14, 2014 Went to 5 mg prozac + 12.5 mg zoloft on Nov. 10, 2014 Went to 25 mg zoloft on Nov. 17, 2014 Went to 50 mg zoloft on Jan. 8, 2015 Link to comment
LoveandLight Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Do you think the fish oil has been the thing that changed things? 2000 - sertraline for job anxiety low confidence (17 years old) ..which turned the next 16 years into nightmare! On/off sertraline severe withdrawals every time. 2014 - felt better as reduced dose of sertraline no more inner restlessness. Doctor rushed off again. Hit severe withdrawal. Lost the little I had in life. Couldn't get stable again on 12.5mg. Was switched to prozac. Had severe reaction to prozac..came off in November 2015 at 6mg as felt more confused and damaged on it..Even more withdrawal ..rage, depression, dyphoria, near constant suicidal ideation, self harm impulses, doom, concrete block in head, unable to do much of anything with this feeling in head..went back on 6mg of sertraline to see if would alleviate anything. It didn't..reduced from December to June 2016 came off at 2.5mg sertraline as was hospitalised for the severe rage, suicidal impulses, and put on 50mg lofepramine which in 2nd week reduced all symptoms but gave insomnia which still have..psych stopped lofepramine cold turkey..no increased withdrawal symptoms new symptoms from lofepramine except persistant insomnia which has as side effect. Taking Ativan for 8 months for the severe rage self harm impulses 1-3 times a week (mostly 2 times a week) at .5mg. Two months (I'm unsure exactly when the interdose started to happen) ago interdose withdrawal seemed to happen..2 days I think after the Ativan. Nightmare that could have been avoided! Link to comment
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