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Antipsychotics side-effects check list

 

http://www.cqaimh.org/pdf/tool_asc.pdf

 

I think a lot of these also apply to antidepressants as well.   I developed some of these symptoms even after 4 years on Pristiq. Doctors refused to acknowledge that it was a side effect, saying that you cannot develop new side effects after such a long period of time.

 

I tried to cut and paste the file, but it's password protected.

 

 

antipsychotic side effects checklist.pdf

2005-2008: Effexor; 1/2008 Tapered 3 months, then quit. 7/2008-2009 Reinstated Effexor (crying spells at start of new job.)
2009-3/2013: Switched to Pristiq 50 mg then 100 mg
3/2013: Switched to Lexapro 10mg. Cut down to 5 mg. CT for 2 weeks then reinstated for 6 weeks
8/2013-8/2014: Tapering Lexapro (Lots of withdrawal symptoms)
11/2014 -8/2015: Developed severe insomnia and uncontrollable daily crying spells
12/2014-6/2015: Tried Ambien, Klonopin,Ativan, Lunesta, Sonata, Trazadone, Seroquel, Rameron, Gabapentin - Developed Anxiety disorder, PTSD, and Psychogenic Myoclonus
7/2015-1/2016: Reinstated Lexapro 2 mg (mild improvement, but crying spells still present)

1/2016-5/2017: Lexapro 5 mg ( helped a lot, but poor stress tolerance & depressive episodes)

5/20/2017 - Raised dose to Lexapro 10 mg due to lingering depression(Total of 2 failed tapers & severe PAWS)

9/11/2018 - Present: Still on 10 mg Lexapro and mostly recovered.(Extremely sensitive to stress which triggers Myoclonus.)

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Thanks, Lilu.

 

Here are a few adverse effects I was able to copy from the checklist:

 

Extrapyradmidal Symptoms (EPS)

- Refers to the movement disorders that occur when there is a disruption of the brains extrapyramidal system

- Can be caused by antipsychotic agents, both 1st and, to a lesser extent, also by 2nd generation agents

- Akathisia: a motor restlessness; inability to resist the urge to move; pacing and inability to sit still are common

- Drug-induced Parkinsonian symptoms: tremor and muscle rigidity; also with extreme slowness of movements

 

Severe Extrapyradmidal Symptoms not captured by the ASC-C:

- Acute Dystonia: sudden muscular contractions; often produces neck or jaw spasms or

cause eyes to roll up

- Tardive Dyskinesia: spasmodic involuntary movements; writhing-like movements are

common in the face, mouth, tongue and hands. Assess dyskinesia using the Abnormal Involuntary Movement Scale (AIMS) (available in STABLE Resource Toolkit)

The checklist also contains definitions of many symptoms, such as akathisia.

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I have been taking chlorpromazine for four weeks and started getting a constant burning sensation on my skin in the middle of last week and I was told by my pdoc to go off it but instead I reduced it by 25% two nights ago after advice, then by 50% last night when the burning continued. I still have the burning at 50mg and I told the pharmacist that does all my meds up and she got very worried and told me to go off it tonight as she is worried about a toxic reaction if I hold or continue to just taper, that she said could cause severe issues, even death. Kind of freaked me out. Caught between differing advice, not sure what to do, certainly don't want anything awful to happen. I have had little withdrawals, a bit low for a short period yesterday afternoon and bounced back within a couple of hours and then a headache this morning which went away with some paracetamol and some dizziness this morning. I also, naturally, found it hard to get to sleep last night. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

Cali

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Xanax (1995-96), Aropax (1995-96), Mellaril (1997-2000), Efexor (1997-2002), Seroquel (2000-now), Lithium Carbonate (2000-now), Avanza (2002-05), Epilim (2005), Seroquel-XR (2000-now), Zyprexa (2002-14), Raberprazole (2000-now prn), Crestor (2009-15), Gabapentin (2009-12), Lamictal (2010-now), Abilify (2011-now) Lyrica (2012-now), Diazepam (2010-now prn), Saphris (2014), Respiridone (2014), Chlorpromazine (2014) Neulatil (07/2016)

 

Current medications:

Lithium Carbonate 750mg; Seroquel-XR 600mg800mg 04/16, 600mg 04/16, 400mg 04/16, 200mg 04/16, 400mg 04/16, 500mg 04/16; Lamictal 250mg 200mg150mg 04/16; Lyrica 300mg; Abilify 20mg 30mg 11/15 Zoloft 25mg 04/16 ceased after a week due to severe suicidal thoughts; Seroquel 25mg prn; Diazepam 40mg CT Jan 2013, 5mg occasionally, (massive med changes in April 2016 due to a hospital admission).

 

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Your pharmacist might be thinking of Steven-Johnson Syndrome. Do you have any skin eruptions? Chlorpromazine is an anti-histamine and can cause allergic reactions when tapering (I imagine, as other anti-histamine's do as well).

 

I don't know whether you are having a reaction to the drug or the withdrawal of it.

 

Maybe someone here has more knowledge about a burning reaction than I do.

 

In any case I would try and get a third opinion from a medical professional if you can, and go to the ER straight away if you have any signs of Steven-Johnson Syndrome.

April / 2016: Cipralex 10 mg, Mirtazapine 30 mg, Lyrica 600 mg, Diazepam 20 mg, Bystolic 5 mg

2018: Lots of polypharmacy which is undocumented here. Started and stopped several drugs and changed doses of existing ones

August / 2018: Back on track! Cipralex 15 mg, Mirtazapine 7.5 mg, Diazepam 15 mg

September 2018: Cipralex 15 mg -> 12.5 mg

October 2018: Cipralex 12.5 mg -> 10 mg, Mirtazapine 7.5 mg -> 3.75 mg -> Stopped, Diazepam 15 mg

November 2019: Cipralex 5 mg, Diazepam 10 mg

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Chlorpromazine Is the same as largactil in Australia which is a typical antipsychotic. I believe it's what is called Thorazine in the US. It causes sunburnt skin as a side effect. I have what feels like an awful case of sunburn without the sunburn. Since I feel the burning all the time even with the 50% reduction in the drug, the pharmacist is worried that this adverse reaction could get worse if I don't stop it now.

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Xanax (1995-96), Aropax (1995-96), Mellaril (1997-2000), Efexor (1997-2002), Seroquel (2000-now), Lithium Carbonate (2000-now), Avanza (2002-05), Epilim (2005), Seroquel-XR (2000-now), Zyprexa (2002-14), Raberprazole (2000-now prn), Crestor (2009-15), Gabapentin (2009-12), Lamictal (2010-now), Abilify (2011-now) Lyrica (2012-now), Diazepam (2010-now prn), Saphris (2014), Respiridone (2014), Chlorpromazine (2014) Neulatil (07/2016)

 

Current medications:

Lithium Carbonate 750mg; Seroquel-XR 600mg800mg 04/16, 600mg 04/16, 400mg 04/16, 200mg 04/16, 400mg 04/16, 500mg 04/16; Lamictal 250mg 200mg150mg 04/16; Lyrica 300mg; Abilify 20mg 30mg 11/15 Zoloft 25mg 04/16 ceased after a week due to severe suicidal thoughts; Seroquel 25mg prn; Diazepam 40mg CT Jan 2013, 5mg occasionally, (massive med changes in April 2016 due to a hospital admission).

 

SupplementsFish oil 4000mgMagnesium 100mg Niacinamide 1000mgSlippery Elm 800mg , B12 1000mcg, Zinc 50mg, B6 100mg, Vitamin D 2000IU, Calcium 1200mgP5P 100mg, Vitamin C 2000mg, Vitamin E 400IU

 

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Yes, it sounds like the pharmacist is concerned you are having an allergic reaction, such as Stevens-Johnson.

 

About symptoms of Stevens-Johnson http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1197450-clinical Is the burning sensation on your face and chest?

 

http://nihlibrary.ors.nih.gov/jw/POC/USJS.htm

 

HISTORY AND CLINICAL PRESENTATION — Drug exposure commonly precedes the onset of symptoms by one to three weeks (average 14 days) in medication-related cases [34]. Reexposure may result in onset of symptoms in as little as 48 hours [35].

 

Signs and symptoms

 

Prodrome — SJS and TEN typically have a prodrome of fever and influenza-like symptoms one to three days before the development of mucocutaneous lesions [36]. Fever is usually higher with TEN, and often exceeds 39 degrees Celsius [34]. Skin tenderness, photophobia, and conjunctival itching or burning may be early symptoms in both conditions.

The following signs and symptoms, when present early in the course of a drug reaction or illness, should alert clinicians to the possibility of SJS/TEN [36]:

  • Confluent erythema (erythroderma)
  • Facial edema or central facial involvement
  • Skin pain
  • Palpable purpura
  • Skin necrosis
  • Blisters and/or epidermal detachment
  • Mucous membrane erosions and crusting
  • Swelling of tongue

Skin — The skin lesions typically begin as ill-defined erythematous macules with purpuric centers, although about 50 percent of cases of TEN begin with diffuse erythema [1,5,6]. In SJS, the lesions are often quite targetoid, while in TEN, the targets may be more atypical and less well-demarcated. A burning sensation or other paresthesias may be noted. In the early stages, skin pain can be prominent and out of proportion to clinical findings, particularly in TEN [7,34]. Lesions are symmetrically distributed, and start upon the face and thorax before spreading to other areas....

 

 

 

An adverse reaction justifies a fast taper, severe adverse reactions, such as Stevens-Johnson, can call for abrupt discontinuation regardless of the risk of withdrawal syndrome.

 

 

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Thanks Alto. I have the burning sensation over my whole body. It's on my face and back of my neck and arms and legs. If someone touches my skin it's awful. I have no rash or lesions that I can see. I thought the symptoms had gone this morning but they started again about an hour later. I have a headache and feel hot. I don't have any way to check my temperature. I do have nausea that comes and goes. I have some maxalon for the nausea but don't know whether to take it or ride it out. I think I'd prefer to ride it out. When I spoke to the pharmacist, she spoke to me very urgently and said I had to go off it immediately because of it being life threatening.

All medications::

Xanax (1995-96), Aropax (1995-96), Mellaril (1997-2000), Efexor (1997-2002), Seroquel (2000-now), Lithium Carbonate (2000-now), Avanza (2002-05), Epilim (2005), Seroquel-XR (2000-now), Zyprexa (2002-14), Raberprazole (2000-now prn), Crestor (2009-15), Gabapentin (2009-12), Lamictal (2010-now), Abilify (2011-now) Lyrica (2012-now), Diazepam (2010-now prn), Saphris (2014), Respiridone (2014), Chlorpromazine (2014) Neulatil (07/2016)

 

Current medications:

Lithium Carbonate 750mg; Seroquel-XR 600mg800mg 04/16, 600mg 04/16, 400mg 04/16, 200mg 04/16, 400mg 04/16, 500mg 04/16; Lamictal 250mg 200mg150mg 04/16; Lyrica 300mg; Abilify 20mg 30mg 11/15 Zoloft 25mg 04/16 ceased after a week due to severe suicidal thoughts; Seroquel 25mg prn; Diazepam 40mg CT Jan 2013, 5mg occasionally, (massive med changes in April 2016 due to a hospital admission).

 

SupplementsFish oil 4000mgMagnesium 100mg Niacinamide 1000mgSlippery Elm 800mg , B12 1000mcg, Zinc 50mg, B6 100mg, Vitamin D 2000IU, Calcium 1200mgP5P 100mg, Vitamin C 2000mg, Vitamin E 400IU

 

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It sounds like it's making you very sick. If I were you, I'd go off it. I hope this doesn't cause withdrawal symptoms.

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I've only been on it four weeks. So hopefully not. A nurse is coming to see me.

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Xanax (1995-96), Aropax (1995-96), Mellaril (1997-2000), Efexor (1997-2002), Seroquel (2000-now), Lithium Carbonate (2000-now), Avanza (2002-05), Epilim (2005), Seroquel-XR (2000-now), Zyprexa (2002-14), Raberprazole (2000-now prn), Crestor (2009-15), Gabapentin (2009-12), Lamictal (2010-now), Abilify (2011-now) Lyrica (2012-now), Diazepam (2010-now prn), Saphris (2014), Respiridone (2014), Chlorpromazine (2014) Neulatil (07/2016)

 

Current medications:

Lithium Carbonate 750mg; Seroquel-XR 600mg800mg 04/16, 600mg 04/16, 400mg 04/16, 200mg 04/16, 400mg 04/16, 500mg 04/16; Lamictal 250mg 200mg150mg 04/16; Lyrica 300mg; Abilify 20mg 30mg 11/15 Zoloft 25mg 04/16 ceased after a week due to severe suicidal thoughts; Seroquel 25mg prn; Diazepam 40mg CT Jan 2013, 5mg occasionally, (massive med changes in April 2016 due to a hospital admission).

 

SupplementsFish oil 4000mgMagnesium 100mg Niacinamide 1000mgSlippery Elm 800mg , B12 1000mcg, Zinc 50mg, B6 100mg, Vitamin D 2000IU, Calcium 1200mgP5P 100mg, Vitamin C 2000mg, Vitamin E 400IU

 

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Yes yes, I know its an antidrugs forum, but really. ,if someone is suffering severely from withdrawal, wont it be better to resort to some [antipsychotic] to get some relief? And APs can be withdrawn after a few months and their withdrawal effects are not as severe as those from ADs and benzos.

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From 2010 -2012. on klonopin and

risperdal

2012-2014. on effexxor and abilify.

tapered abilify gradually and now on

effexxor. I have tapered effexor from 75mg to 55 mg over 4months

. I haven't experienced anything major except slight aggression. When I am out on the road ,I get a feeling to hit someone, anyone.

 

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Yes yes, I know its an antidrugs forum, but really. ,if someone is suffering severely from withdrawal, wont it be better to resort to some AP to get some relief? And APs can be withdrawn after a few months and their withdrawal effects are not as severe as those from ADs and benzos.

Canboy,

 

As one who was open to taking sleep meds on a temporary basis due to severe insomnia, h--ll would have frozen over before I considered taking an AP for sleep.   Those drugs usually have the worst side effect profile even when taking them for a very short time.   And there is no guarantee that the withdrawal effects would be any better.  My guess is they would be just as bad.

 

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Drug cocktail 1995 - 2010
Started taper of Adderall, Wellbutrin XL, Remeron, and Doxepin in 2006
Finished taper on June 10, 2010

Temazepam on a PRN basis approximately twice a month - 2014 to 2016

Beginning in 2017 - Consumption increased to about two times per week

April 2017 - Increased to taking it full time for insomnia

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1. adding more psychotropic drugs is not usually a helpful approach for people withdrawing.  you may or may not benefit, and your risk of side effects, interactions, or withdrawal seem heightened.  unless you will not survive without taking more drugs, this is generally asking if you should kick a man while hes down.

 

2. antipsychotics do not have an impressive track record of dealing with symptoms very well.  you didnt mention why you wanted to take them in this thread, but in your personal thread you mention insomnia and compsports comments on insomnia as well.  antipsychotics, like other psychotropic drugs used on-label or off-label for sleep, disrupt your natural sleep cycle.  you may not find them useful in gaining sleep, restedness, healing, or freedom from insomnia-related symptoms.  as an emergency measure, they are a very strong and risk-fraught option that some people do find useful, but i have never heard of any of those people being people already in withdrawal.  i am not saying it cannot help you, just that it carries a lot of risk and might be ill-advised.

 

3. antipsychotics, arguably, have worse withdrawal syndrome(s) than antidepressants.  that is not a very meaningful thing to say, though, because different drugs impact different people in different ways, and we may be fine or barely bothered by one discontinuation but highly disabled by another.  personally, in withdrawing from many different classes of medications, i place antipsychotics at the top of the list for worst symptoms in my own life, with anticonvulsants coming in before antidepressants as well.  people in the benzo PAWS (post-acute withdrawal syndrome) crowd often profess that benzodiazepines are the hardest drug to quit, surpassing illegal substances and other psychiatric meds alike.  they do not usually have the same severity of antidepressant discontinuation symptoms as some of the members on here (and elsewhere), so any sort of comparison is very subjective and context-driven.  perhaps you wouldnt find antipsychotic withdrawal as bad as antidepressant withdrawal, but i dont think the chances of that are good enough to entail risking it---and that is in addition to how points 1 and 2 already make antipsychotics a dim option for treating your symptoms.

from 2005-2012, i spent 7 years taking 17 different psychotropic medications covering several classes.  i would be taking 3-7 medications at a time, and 6 out of the 17 medications listed below were maxed or overmaxed in clinical dosage before i moved on to trying the next unhelpful cocktail.
 
antidepressants (SSRIs, SNRIs, NDRIs, tetracyclics): zoloft, wellbutrin, effexor, lexapro, prozac, cymbalta, remeron
antipsychotics (atypical): abilify, zyprexa, risperdal, geodon
sleep aids (benzos, off-label antidepressants & antipsychotics, hypnotics): seroquel, temazepam, trazodone, ambien
anxiolytics: buspar
anticonvulsants: topamax
 
i tapered off all psychotropics from late 2011 through early 2013, one by one.  since quitting, ive been cycling through severe, disabling withdrawal symptoms spanning the gamut of the serious, less serious, and rather worrisome side effects of these assorted medications.  previous cross-tapering and medication or dosage changes had also caused undiagnosed withdrawal symptoms.
 
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There are no easy answers to dealing with withdrawal syndrome. If there were, we would be happy to give them.

 

Antipsychotics have many adverse effects, one of them being disruption of the sugar balance, causing weight gain and diabetes. They are truly dangerous drugs.

 

They are also difficult to taper.

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Hi everyone,

 

I have read that tianeptine helps with AD withdrawal. Has anyone tried it? I was originally planning to do Prozac bridge to come off Effexor, but now I'm thinking about adding tianeptine (Stablon) and making a jump from 150 to 75 Effexor.

 

 

On venlafaxine since 2001. Three cold turkey WD attempts unsuccessful.

In 2012 I slowly tapered from 75mg. Less than a year after taking the last grain I developed extreme anxiety and pseudo dementia.

After all clear neuro tests in 2013 I was put on Effexor 150mg. Instant improvement. 

In 2014 I tested positive for chronic mercury poisoning. I'm chelating using Andy Cutler's protocol, www.noamalgam.com.

Tapering Venlafaxine Actavis 150mg: Mar 10%, May 10%, Jun (eyeballing) 3 quarters of capsule, Sep slighlty over half of capsule. End Oct exactly half capsule. Feeling great when chelating and being very hopeful that this time I will succeed!

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Before you do that, I think a bit more research is in order.  Take a read of this thread, for starters:

 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/9954-rainbowsmilingrock-stuck-on-cipralex/?p=192228

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/7467-alwayslookup-thomas-introduction/?p=150116

 

In the first one, the OP said it helped initially with anxiety but that sleep suffered because of it, and after a few weeks they went off of it, so clearly it wasn't helping enough to stay on it.

 

I'm just not entirely sure how lowering synaptic serotonin with this drug would help when, upon withdrawing, there is already a low level in the synapse.  Maybe I'm not understanding this correctly.  My understanding is that SSRIs and the like increase the level in the gap, but then the nervous system DOWNREGULATES  serotonin production and receptors to restore homeostasis, meaning production is reduced and receptors are pruned back.  Remove the plug of the SSRI, so to speak, and now what serotonin is there gets taken back in the nerve cells since the receptors are no longer blocked, so presumably the level in the gap lowers more.  Serotonin production was downsized, meanwhile, and must be ramped back up along with building more receptors, which takes time.  Seems like a confusing mess to come off of a fairly high dose of Effexor while starting tianeptine at the same time.  Have you read how it is supposed to help, the mechanism?  If so, please share :-)

 

Jumping off from 150 or 75 while adding this drug is a huge gamble.  Besides, you've got the norepinephrine aspect of Effexor to contend with, that the taneptine wouldn't affect, far as I know.

 

I would do a lot more research on this before proceeding.  I think we would all love it if there were a drug that could safely mitigate psych med withdrawal, and there'd be flares going off alerting everyone to its existence!

 

I'm glad you brought this up, alenka9, since we can all learn from this investigation!

 

SG

Started ADs back around 1995 after bad break-up, starting with Prozac.  Switched to Wellbutrin, and then to Effexor in 2002
Effexor XR 2002-2014 up to 225 mg at one point, down to 37.5 mg towards end but back up to 75 mg in 2014; now realize I had W/D as I dropped down, memory very poor about history.  Extreme emotions, poor concentration as I stepped back down, didn't connect the dots!
Summer 2014 reduced to 0 very quickly, was sick of anhedonia/sexual dysfunction due to meds, depression never controlled if not worse. Didn't recognize WD since symptoms built slowly (thought I had ADD! and menopausal on top of it), starting with severe sweats, very bad cog-fog and memory issues, culminating in weight loss, severe anxiety and depression, panic, severe apathy and insomnia by eight months off.  Saw p-doc who put me on Remeron, increased from 7.5 mg/day to 37.5 mg by May 22, 2015; still doing very badly though able to sleep.

June 1. 2015 Reinstated Effexor XR 37.5 mg, Remeron dropped to 30 mg PM. Immediate relief of symptoms, like nothing had ever happened!  Joined SA and began on advice of friend who recognized it was WD all along! Began tapering in July 2015.

Been tapering both meds ever since, focusing on one more than the other or doing no more than 5% of each per month.

12 mg Effexor and 5.8 mg Remeron (mirtazapine SolTabs to make a solution with OraPlus) as of 5/4/2017 

Update 3/14/18: 2.9 mg Remeron and 6 mg Effexor; 6/10/18:  2.6 mg Remeron and 4.9 mg Effexor

 

My intro: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/9313-squirrellygirl-effexor-withdrawal-etc/page-2#entry196679

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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There is also the fact that  it has one of the worst records for liver damage and heart damage of all ADs.  Then you get into the actions on the opioid receptors which can cause physical addiction that needs to be addressed along with the taper it would require to get off of.

 

Despite the positive sound responses that the drug has, there is still the fact that nothing is going to replace the original medication. So once there is a switch of medications has been done there is still the fast taper/CT WD symptoms that have to be contended with.  At best the new medication will make you not care about them at worst it will accentuate them, but it will not make them go away. 

20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013.

Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks.  The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better.

Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017

 

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SG, Brass,

 

Thank you so much for your warnings. I've done more reading and decided not to make a switch. The tought of being able to withdraw from Effexor quickly and in a painless way by using tianeptin was just an empty dream and you guys have most likely saved me from a nightmare that would most certainly follow!

 

I will now start a proper slow taper from Effexor.

 

Thank you very much again

 

Alenka

On venlafaxine since 2001. Three cold turkey WD attempts unsuccessful.

In 2012 I slowly tapered from 75mg. Less than a year after taking the last grain I developed extreme anxiety and pseudo dementia.

After all clear neuro tests in 2013 I was put on Effexor 150mg. Instant improvement. 

In 2014 I tested positive for chronic mercury poisoning. I'm chelating using Andy Cutler's protocol, www.noamalgam.com.

Tapering Venlafaxine Actavis 150mg: Mar 10%, May 10%, Jun (eyeballing) 3 quarters of capsule, Sep slighlty over half of capsule. End Oct exactly half capsule. Feeling great when chelating and being very hopeful that this time I will succeed!

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It's a tough pill to swallow, I know!  We are all in the same boat of holding out hope that there's something out there that would allow us to get off these meds faster!  We're in this together, my dear!

 

SG

Started ADs back around 1995 after bad break-up, starting with Prozac.  Switched to Wellbutrin, and then to Effexor in 2002
Effexor XR 2002-2014 up to 225 mg at one point, down to 37.5 mg towards end but back up to 75 mg in 2014; now realize I had W/D as I dropped down, memory very poor about history.  Extreme emotions, poor concentration as I stepped back down, didn't connect the dots!
Summer 2014 reduced to 0 very quickly, was sick of anhedonia/sexual dysfunction due to meds, depression never controlled if not worse. Didn't recognize WD since symptoms built slowly (thought I had ADD! and menopausal on top of it), starting with severe sweats, very bad cog-fog and memory issues, culminating in weight loss, severe anxiety and depression, panic, severe apathy and insomnia by eight months off.  Saw p-doc who put me on Remeron, increased from 7.5 mg/day to 37.5 mg by May 22, 2015; still doing very badly though able to sleep.

June 1. 2015 Reinstated Effexor XR 37.5 mg, Remeron dropped to 30 mg PM. Immediate relief of symptoms, like nothing had ever happened!  Joined SA and began on advice of friend who recognized it was WD all along! Began tapering in July 2015.

Been tapering both meds ever since, focusing on one more than the other or doing no more than 5% of each per month.

12 mg Effexor and 5.8 mg Remeron (mirtazapine SolTabs to make a solution with OraPlus) as of 5/4/2017 

Update 3/14/18: 2.9 mg Remeron and 6 mg Effexor; 6/10/18:  2.6 mg Remeron and 4.9 mg Effexor

 

My intro: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/9313-squirrellygirl-effexor-withdrawal-etc/page-2#entry196679

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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Hi everyone,

 

I have read that tianeptine helps with AD withdrawal. Has anyone tried it? I was originally planning to do Prozac bridge to come off Effexor, but now I'm thinking about adding tianeptine (Stablon) and making a jump from 150 to 75 Effexor.

Hi,

 

I had terrible withdrawal from escitalopram. My shirk prescribed me Stablon (Tianeptine) to fight those withdrawals. The withdrawals were completely off within next 10 days. But I developed side effects from Tianeptine by the third week. Not entirely sure whether it was because of Tianeptine or just that my anxiety and depression hit back. But the doctor stopped Tianeptine and put me back on Escitalopram. 

 

To answer your question, whether Tianeptine helps fight AD withdrawals or not, Yes for me it did. But I cant say more about its side effects.

 

Hope this helps.

  1. 2012-2014 : Lexapro (Escitalopram) 20 mg   +  Klonopin (Clonazepam) 0.5 mg (initial 3 months)
  2. 2015 – Started tapering Lexapro (Escitalopram)
  3. January 2016 – Stopped Lexapro (Escitalopram)
  4. February 2016 – Severe withdrawals
  5. March 2016 – Started with Stablon (Tianeptine) 12.5 twice a day. (To reduce withdrawals)
  6. Currently – Stopped Tianeptine because of its side effects.
  7. 15 April 2016 :-  Hit back with depression and anxiety. Doctor advised to start Lexapro (Escitalopram) 10mg + 0.5 mg Klonopin (Clonazepam). I’m on it.

Note: looking forward to get rid off medicines

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I've heard that antipsychotics can also have many "off-target effects". What are they? What do you know about them?

Took Risperdal (4 mg for one week, 2 mg for some weeks and 3 mg for three days) from early August to early September 2016.

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On 3/13/2016 at 6:11 AM, canboy said:

Yes yes, I know its an antidrugs forum, but really. ,if someone is suffering severely from withdrawal, wont it be better to resort to some [antipsychotic] to get some relief? And APs can be withdrawn after a few months and their withdrawal effects are not as severe as those from ADs and benzos.

antipsychotics can cause terrible withdrawal even after a short time. i was on it a month and forgot to get my meds and within a few hours of my missed dose i had wd so bad i cant even put into words what i felt.  ive tried four times over ten years to get off and i cant. i i did once and after a year of non stop wd i couldnt handle it and resumed. now i cant even taper by 20 mg like i used to. there is no data or research showing that antipsychotics relive that type of withdrawal. they rewire the brain and cause damage. evil drug

prozac 2008. do not know the dose. after a few weeks i had suicidal idealization and went to the hospital 4 days.

xanax .5 mg only took a few times

geodon started 2008. highest dose 180 mg

celexa 2008 40 mg

i tried so many different meds i cannot rrecall the name or dosage but all of them had severe side effects within a week and all were stopped

2008-present geodon. current dose 80mg

2008-present  celexa. current dose 40 mg

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31 minutes ago, Kelmo137 said:

now i cant even taper by 20 mg like i used to

 

SA recommends tapering by no more than 10% of the current dose with a hold of about 4 weeks to allow the brain to adapt to not getting as much of the drug.  To make a reduction of 20mg the previous dose (not starting dose) would have been 200mg.

 

Why taper by 10% of my dosage?

 

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