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In jan 8th 2014 I was put on Mirtzaapine 3.75 for sleep after coming of benzos. I tried coming of that same dose feb 8th and had to reinstate at 2mg 12 days later. Last week my dr said I can start skipping a dose every other day to come off. As soon as I tried that a few days later I went into ugly WD . I am still trying to stabilize on just under 2mg (1.87) 1/8 of a 15mg pill. I am experiencing extreme anxiety , jaw tremors, depression , ruminating thoughts and just plain terrified that the drug has turned on me and I have to stay on it. Hoping I can stabilize I've ordered a compounding pharm to make suspension to mange the dosing.

 

How long can it take me to stabilize on the current dose? And when and if I do should I go with 5 or 10% cuts?

Also any recommendations on savvy doctors in south Fl. Or anywhere in Florida ?

 

Thks

2006 til May2013Lunesta 3mg.

Cross to xanax.25mg 6/2013. stopXanax C/T oct 2 for 27 days.

reinstate with Valium end of oct taper.rehab taper too fast began up-dosing to stabilize.

Nov19 cross over to Librium plus low dose remoron as needed for sleep.

nov20 switched to .25 klon 0.125 twice. lib causing depression as well as Val.11/24/13 klon cuasing hives 11/26/13 dr put me back on Librium 25g.11/30Lib 20mg.12/4 15mgLib -12/7 14mg lib.

12/12 13mg lib12/12 rehab

12/16/13 last dose

12/31/13 out of rehab

Remeron jan6/14 3.75mg

2/.8/14 stop rem ct@3.75mg -Back on rem 1.87mg 2/21/14

May2,) 8mg @ 8:30pm& .2 @ 9:30pm -May 22 @ .9 mg

May 31was my last dose of 0.9 remeron

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Welcome, miami1.

 

How long have you been on 1/8 of a 15mg mirtazapine tablet? Has it helped at all?

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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Hi everyone;

 

In the first week of feb I came of of mirtz @ 4mg. After 2 weeks the WD where much more than I expected so I reinstated @ 2mg (1/8 of a 15 mg pill). The reason I came off it in feb was because shortly after dosing I would revve up with anxiety.

 

After reinstating @ just under 2 mg I have been getting by ,although since I've been cutting a 15mg pill 8times I have not been on a consistent exact dose. I just had a pharmacy compound the mirtz into a liquid suspension so I may dose more accurately.

 

Last night when I dosed with the new liquid suspension(1.6mg) I end up with high anxiety, burning skin sensation in my legs mainly in my feet area as well as itching all over.

 

The reason I got on the mirtz is for sleep back in the first week of Jan this year. I had just gotten offBenzodiazepines in mid dec 2013.

 

Couple of weeks ago I tried skipping a does as per my dr and all hell broke loose. I'm very consered that my

 

body just doesn't want this drug regardless of the new liquid preparation that maybe the problem.

 

I am also at this time so sensitive to meds that even at 1.6mg , I would have a horrific time getting off .

 

Has anyone had similar experience ? Any thoughts?

2006 til May2013Lunesta 3mg.

Cross to xanax.25mg 6/2013. stopXanax C/T oct 2 for 27 days.

reinstate with Valium end of oct taper.rehab taper too fast began up-dosing to stabilize.

Nov19 cross over to Librium plus low dose remoron as needed for sleep.

nov20 switched to .25 klon 0.125 twice. lib causing depression as well as Val.11/24/13 klon cuasing hives 11/26/13 dr put me back on Librium 25g.11/30Lib 20mg.12/4 15mgLib -12/7 14mg lib.

12/12 13mg lib12/12 rehab

12/16/13 last dose

12/31/13 out of rehab

Remeron jan6/14 3.75mg

2/.8/14 stop rem ct@3.75mg -Back on rem 1.87mg 2/21/14

May2,) 8mg @ 8:30pm& .2 @ 9:30pm -May 22 @ .9 mg

May 31was my last dose of 0.9 remeron

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Hi Miami1,

 

Liquid raises your blood serum much faster than a pill. What you might try is taking half dose, wait an hour, and take the rest. Itching, burning can be an wd from the antihistaminic part of mirtazapine indicating to me a sudden drop of the med. Are you sure you have the concentration of your liquid solution calculated correctly? Did you forget to shake it before measuring up your dose? You might try taking 1/8 pill again for a few days to se if it gets better again.

 

How is your sleep right now?

 

I have read about a few cases of itching at the end of tapering mirtazapine. I think i suggested to one of them to try an over the counter antihistamine to se if that helps. If it does you need to find lowest helpfull dose and taper that after mirtazapine. Doctors can prescribe liquid antihistamin that is easy to dose small. I have read about the same itching when people are withdrawing from long term use of antihistamines for allergies.

 

Regards

Wulfgar

2010: Mirtazapine 30mg followed by Zopiclone 7.5 mg for sleep post surgery due to pain.
2012-> Tapering Mirtazapine and Zopiclone at different rates unsuccessfully.
2013: Hospitalized 10 days due to complete Insomnia. Forced back up to 45mg Mirtazapine, 7.5 mg Zopiclone and also Theralene 1 ml.
2013-03: Lab showed Vitamin D deficient. Found the vitamin d and insomnia connection. Supplementing vitamin d. Sleep improved by 1-2 hours
2013-04: Dropped mirtazapine to 30 due to severe side effects. Quit Theralene. Zopiclone 7.5.
2013-05 - 2013-11: Mirtazapine taper monthly 25 20 15 11 8 4 2.5 mg
2013-12 Holding M at 2.5. Need to taper Zopiclone due to daytime nausea and vomiting. Taper zopiclone 1/4 red every 5 d. Last Z 2013-12-19
2013-12-31 M:2.5. Reinstated Zopiclone 3.75 due to Insomnia
2014-01-06 M:2.5. Taper Z 1.9 ... 2014-01-14 M:2.5. Z 1 mg.
Jumped of Zopiclone 01-20. Jumped mirtazapine 02-16.

Theralene: 10mg 02-09. 8mg 03-09. 5mg 03-15. 4mg 03-24. 3mg 04-08. Jumped 04-21.
Zopiclone free for 251 days. Mirtazapine free for 224 days.

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Thk Wolf; I did shake it but I'm really skeptical about compounded meds now. Back in feb I ct rem @ 4mg I was fine until the 9/10 day I end up reinstating @ the 1.87 1/8 of the pill. You may have a point on going back to the pill. Every time I've had and issue is trying to switch to liquid. Any way I don't want to ct again since I'm so fried from the benzo WD and this remeron nightmare. Since after dosing last night I have not been able to sleep I fell shaky just simply destroyed. Doc wants me to go down to 1 mg tonight I don't know if I should just take the pill. Is the anyway I can continue to taper with the pill? And that surge of anxiety after dosing why? If I end up not being able to take this med anymore what options if any might I have?

 

Thks Wolf

2006 til May2013Lunesta 3mg.

Cross to xanax.25mg 6/2013. stopXanax C/T oct 2 for 27 days.

reinstate with Valium end of oct taper.rehab taper too fast began up-dosing to stabilize.

Nov19 cross over to Librium plus low dose remoron as needed for sleep.

nov20 switched to .25 klon 0.125 twice. lib causing depression as well as Val.11/24/13 klon cuasing hives 11/26/13 dr put me back on Librium 25g.11/30Lib 20mg.12/4 15mgLib -12/7 14mg lib.

12/12 13mg lib12/12 rehab

12/16/13 last dose

12/31/13 out of rehab

Remeron jan6/14 3.75mg

2/.8/14 stop rem ct@3.75mg -Back on rem 1.87mg 2/21/14

May2,) 8mg @ 8:30pm& .2 @ 9:30pm -May 22 @ .9 mg

May 31was my last dose of 0.9 remeron

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Welcome, miami1.

 

It's possible you're allergic to something in the compounded liquid. Did the pharmacy put flavoring in? You need to speak to them.

 

You can make your own liquid with water http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/5301-tips-for-tapering-off-remeron-mirtazapine/

 

You may be sensitized by withdrawal to very small amounts, so it might be important for you to use a liquid for precise dosing.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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Yes they did. Strawberry flavor 1mg and a syrup called (simple syrup).

Thk u

2006 til May2013Lunesta 3mg.

Cross to xanax.25mg 6/2013. stopXanax C/T oct 2 for 27 days.

reinstate with Valium end of oct taper.rehab taper too fast began up-dosing to stabilize.

Nov19 cross over to Librium plus low dose remoron as needed for sleep.

nov20 switched to .25 klon 0.125 twice. lib causing depression as well as Val.11/24/13 klon cuasing hives 11/26/13 dr put me back on Librium 25g.11/30Lib 20mg.12/4 15mgLib -12/7 14mg lib.

12/12 13mg lib12/12 rehab

12/16/13 last dose

12/31/13 out of rehab

Remeron jan6/14 3.75mg

2/.8/14 stop rem ct@3.75mg -Back on rem 1.87mg 2/21/14

May2,) 8mg @ 8:30pm& .2 @ 9:30pm -May 22 @ .9 mg

May 31was my last dose of 0.9 remeron

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To continue taper with the pill you need a precision scale to measure correct dose or you might try grind up a pill or half a pill between two spoons, make a line on a plate with a credit card to say 5 cm and remove correct percentage of it and take the rest. Grinding the pill will not change its potency.

As to the anxiety, i don't know why. Could the anxiety come from a reaction in your stomach? Have you tried to eat something just prior your dose? Altos question about the compound liquid is valid?!

/W

2010: Mirtazapine 30mg followed by Zopiclone 7.5 mg for sleep post surgery due to pain.
2012-> Tapering Mirtazapine and Zopiclone at different rates unsuccessfully.
2013: Hospitalized 10 days due to complete Insomnia. Forced back up to 45mg Mirtazapine, 7.5 mg Zopiclone and also Theralene 1 ml.
2013-03: Lab showed Vitamin D deficient. Found the vitamin d and insomnia connection. Supplementing vitamin d. Sleep improved by 1-2 hours
2013-04: Dropped mirtazapine to 30 due to severe side effects. Quit Theralene. Zopiclone 7.5.
2013-05 - 2013-11: Mirtazapine taper monthly 25 20 15 11 8 4 2.5 mg
2013-12 Holding M at 2.5. Need to taper Zopiclone due to daytime nausea and vomiting. Taper zopiclone 1/4 red every 5 d. Last Z 2013-12-19
2013-12-31 M:2.5. Reinstated Zopiclone 3.75 due to Insomnia
2014-01-06 M:2.5. Taper Z 1.9 ... 2014-01-14 M:2.5. Z 1 mg.
Jumped of Zopiclone 01-20. Jumped mirtazapine 02-16.

Theralene: 10mg 02-09. 8mg 03-09. 5mg 03-15. 4mg 03-24. 3mg 04-08. Jumped 04-21.
Zopiclone free for 251 days. Mirtazapine free for 224 days.

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I may need to buy a better digital scale that weighs mg precisely. Did u ever use a scale? Also I'm somewhat reluctant to take the suspension tonight. I'm thinking I should try to stabilize first and if I take a chance with the liq and get zapped again I don't knw if I can handle another day feeling like this. There is something going on with this drug it's delivery sym and my cns.

 

Help me out pls with the water titt.

If I take a 7.5 pill and desolve it into 5 ml water =5 doses @ 1.5 mg?

How accurate can that be?

 

Thks

2006 til May2013Lunesta 3mg.

Cross to xanax.25mg 6/2013. stopXanax C/T oct 2 for 27 days.

reinstate with Valium end of oct taper.rehab taper too fast began up-dosing to stabilize.

Nov19 cross over to Librium plus low dose remoron as needed for sleep.

nov20 switched to .25 klon 0.125 twice. lib causing depression as well as Val.11/24/13 klon cuasing hives 11/26/13 dr put me back on Librium 25g.11/30Lib 20mg.12/4 15mgLib -12/7 14mg lib.

12/12 13mg lib12/12 rehab

12/16/13 last dose

12/31/13 out of rehab

Remeron jan6/14 3.75mg

2/.8/14 stop rem ct@3.75mg -Back on rem 1.87mg 2/21/14

May2,) 8mg @ 8:30pm& .2 @ 9:30pm -May 22 @ .9 mg

May 31was my last dose of 0.9 remeron

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I did not make my own liquid. I cut the pill and got liquid Remeron prescribed when i needed to go lower doses. Grind up the 7.5 pill between two spoons and put it in 5 ml of water and take 1 ml. Your suggestion sounds accurate enough. I would store it in the fridge and i am unsure if it keeps for 5 days. It might loose some potency. I would use it for three days and then make a new batch.

2010: Mirtazapine 30mg followed by Zopiclone 7.5 mg for sleep post surgery due to pain.
2012-> Tapering Mirtazapine and Zopiclone at different rates unsuccessfully.
2013: Hospitalized 10 days due to complete Insomnia. Forced back up to 45mg Mirtazapine, 7.5 mg Zopiclone and also Theralene 1 ml.
2013-03: Lab showed Vitamin D deficient. Found the vitamin d and insomnia connection. Supplementing vitamin d. Sleep improved by 1-2 hours
2013-04: Dropped mirtazapine to 30 due to severe side effects. Quit Theralene. Zopiclone 7.5.
2013-05 - 2013-11: Mirtazapine taper monthly 25 20 15 11 8 4 2.5 mg
2013-12 Holding M at 2.5. Need to taper Zopiclone due to daytime nausea and vomiting. Taper zopiclone 1/4 red every 5 d. Last Z 2013-12-19
2013-12-31 M:2.5. Reinstated Zopiclone 3.75 due to Insomnia
2014-01-06 M:2.5. Taper Z 1.9 ... 2014-01-14 M:2.5. Z 1 mg.
Jumped of Zopiclone 01-20. Jumped mirtazapine 02-16.

Theralene: 10mg 02-09. 8mg 03-09. 5mg 03-15. 4mg 03-24. 3mg 04-08. Jumped 04-21.
Zopiclone free for 251 days. Mirtazapine free for 224 days.

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Thk u Wolf. I think I may take a 1/8 pill tonight. How long did it take you to jump off once you stated the liquid ?

2006 til May2013Lunesta 3mg.

Cross to xanax.25mg 6/2013. stopXanax C/T oct 2 for 27 days.

reinstate with Valium end of oct taper.rehab taper too fast began up-dosing to stabilize.

Nov19 cross over to Librium plus low dose remoron as needed for sleep.

nov20 switched to .25 klon 0.125 twice. lib causing depression as well as Val.11/24/13 klon cuasing hives 11/26/13 dr put me back on Librium 25g.11/30Lib 20mg.12/4 15mgLib -12/7 14mg lib.

12/12 13mg lib12/12 rehab

12/16/13 last dose

12/31/13 out of rehab

Remeron jan6/14 3.75mg

2/.8/14 stop rem ct@3.75mg -Back on rem 1.87mg 2/21/14

May2,) 8mg @ 8:30pm& .2 @ 9:30pm -May 22 @ .9 mg

May 31was my last dose of 0.9 remeron

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I have had liquid for quite a long time. About 7 months. Started liquid when i was taking about 20 mg of mirtazapine. Going from about 2.5 mg to zero took me 4.5 months. I had to taper zopiclone (almost same as lunesta) during this time also because of inter dose withdrawal, so it was a bumpy ride.

We are all different though, it is important that you listen to your own body when tapering.

 

One thing i think is good is that you have been on a low dose (3.75) of mirtazapine and for a short while.

 

For me sleep has been the restricting factor when tapering. Had to find the correct taper speed so that i still could get at least 4 hours of sleep.

2010: Mirtazapine 30mg followed by Zopiclone 7.5 mg for sleep post surgery due to pain.
2012-> Tapering Mirtazapine and Zopiclone at different rates unsuccessfully.
2013: Hospitalized 10 days due to complete Insomnia. Forced back up to 45mg Mirtazapine, 7.5 mg Zopiclone and also Theralene 1 ml.
2013-03: Lab showed Vitamin D deficient. Found the vitamin d and insomnia connection. Supplementing vitamin d. Sleep improved by 1-2 hours
2013-04: Dropped mirtazapine to 30 due to severe side effects. Quit Theralene. Zopiclone 7.5.
2013-05 - 2013-11: Mirtazapine taper monthly 25 20 15 11 8 4 2.5 mg
2013-12 Holding M at 2.5. Need to taper Zopiclone due to daytime nausea and vomiting. Taper zopiclone 1/4 red every 5 d. Last Z 2013-12-19
2013-12-31 M:2.5. Reinstated Zopiclone 3.75 due to Insomnia
2014-01-06 M:2.5. Taper Z 1.9 ... 2014-01-14 M:2.5. Z 1 mg.
Jumped of Zopiclone 01-20. Jumped mirtazapine 02-16.

Theralene: 10mg 02-09. 8mg 03-09. 5mg 03-15. 4mg 03-24. 3mg 04-08. Jumped 04-21.
Zopiclone free for 251 days. Mirtazapine free for 224 days.

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Very true Listening to your body is the gage to successfully get through this mess!

Last night I ended up taking aprox 2 mg pill. For some reason the pill form effect is much more stabilizing than the compounded liquid for me. I was and somewhat woke up with extreme worrying and panic about all this. Last night I felt close to having some sort of melt down. I'm sure it's because of cutting the mirtz. This morning I even thought of taking ink a small amount of mirtz cause of the nervousness and shakiness. I've been feeling like I can have a nervous breakdown any min . My big concern is how to stabilize. If I continue to take 2mg will I eventually stabilize?

 

Currently I have zero appetite , headache , nausea, anxiety,shortness of breath& restless leg which I've never had. I'm also freaked out that I may end up in hospital pysch unit. That's where my mind has me going. I know I'm on a low dose and have been on mirtz under 4 months. But this powerful little poison has a true grip on me! I also must realize that some of this mirtz WD can trigger some benzo waves therefore complicating matters.

 

I will try and stabilize and hold for a couple weeks and figure out how I can go from the pill to liquid without destabilizing again. Maybe take a combo of pill and liq to transition ?

 

I've been in pretty bad shape last couple of days and I truly appreciate you and the members of this sites help.

 

Thx

2006 til May2013Lunesta 3mg.

Cross to xanax.25mg 6/2013. stopXanax C/T oct 2 for 27 days.

reinstate with Valium end of oct taper.rehab taper too fast began up-dosing to stabilize.

Nov19 cross over to Librium plus low dose remoron as needed for sleep.

nov20 switched to .25 klon 0.125 twice. lib causing depression as well as Val.11/24/13 klon cuasing hives 11/26/13 dr put me back on Librium 25g.11/30Lib 20mg.12/4 15mgLib -12/7 14mg lib.

12/12 13mg lib12/12 rehab

12/16/13 last dose

12/31/13 out of rehab

Remeron jan6/14 3.75mg

2/.8/14 stop rem ct@3.75mg -Back on rem 1.87mg 2/21/14

May2,) 8mg @ 8:30pm& .2 @ 9:30pm -May 22 @ .9 mg

May 31was my last dose of 0.9 remeron

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If you felt that different on almost the same dose of the compounded stuff i think there may be something wonky with it. Did they make the compounded liquid from the same pills you are using now?

 

I suggest you find a precision scale or do your own liquid so that you get an exact dose. Try to continue stabilizing at 2 mg from your batch of mirtazapine pills. You where "getting by" at 2 mg so i suggest you try to find your way back to there.

 

It takes up to a week after a dose change for blood concentration of mirtazapine to get stable. After that its up to your body to stabilize which also takes time. Im sure you will stabilize!

 

Try to relax as much as possible. For many withdrawing from mirtazapine causes the stress hormones to get elevated somewhat. Waking up after a few hours with high adrenaline and anxiety happened to me and many others after a dose reduction and it went away (settles down) after stabilizing. Im not telling you all this to scare you! Knowing where the symptoms comes from and that they are common and will go away eventually helped me not to rev myself up further.

 

Regards

Wulfgar

2010: Mirtazapine 30mg followed by Zopiclone 7.5 mg for sleep post surgery due to pain.
2012-> Tapering Mirtazapine and Zopiclone at different rates unsuccessfully.
2013: Hospitalized 10 days due to complete Insomnia. Forced back up to 45mg Mirtazapine, 7.5 mg Zopiclone and also Theralene 1 ml.
2013-03: Lab showed Vitamin D deficient. Found the vitamin d and insomnia connection. Supplementing vitamin d. Sleep improved by 1-2 hours
2013-04: Dropped mirtazapine to 30 due to severe side effects. Quit Theralene. Zopiclone 7.5.
2013-05 - 2013-11: Mirtazapine taper monthly 25 20 15 11 8 4 2.5 mg
2013-12 Holding M at 2.5. Need to taper Zopiclone due to daytime nausea and vomiting. Taper zopiclone 1/4 red every 5 d. Last Z 2013-12-19
2013-12-31 M:2.5. Reinstated Zopiclone 3.75 due to Insomnia
2014-01-06 M:2.5. Taper Z 1.9 ... 2014-01-14 M:2.5. Z 1 mg.
Jumped of Zopiclone 01-20. Jumped mirtazapine 02-16.

Theralene: 10mg 02-09. 8mg 03-09. 5mg 03-15. 4mg 03-24. 3mg 04-08. Jumped 04-21.
Zopiclone free for 251 days. Mirtazapine free for 224 days.

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Hi Miami,

 

 Welcome .. I am saddened that you are in distress, but you are in a good, and caring place here ..

 

Soon, with all the knowledgeable and caring suggestions, you will find relief .

 

Here is a link to a scale that wulfgar was suggesting, if you decide that you need one .. I have this one, and I find that it is very reliable ..

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/251284238716?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

 

Wishing you healing blessings Miami :wub:

 

Hugs, Lexi

Hello,
I am tapering Lorazepam, and my daily dose is 1.125 mgs.

I followed a long hold for 5 months, ( Nov-March 2019) hoping to find some stability, 

but it did not work. So I resumed my taper and hold pattern.
For the last 3 years, I have been using a daily microtaper, cutting .001mgs per day, with holds as needed.
Symptoms are head pressure, labored breathing, palpitations, abrupt surges of dizziness, this being my worst symptom for now, internal tremors, my latest nemesis, unsteadiness, anxiety, plus many other symptoms that cycle in, and cycle out consistently. Not a day passes, without grief :(

I take no other meds.

January 2013 - 15 day quick taper off 10 mgs of Lexapro, and 25 mgs of Sertraline,

at a detox clinic.

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Thks wulf & Lexi,

 

The pharm did use same generic med I'm using. There may have been an issue during prep , they use alcohol to remove the pill coating although they say there is no alcohol in the final solution. They also use strawberry flavoring and simple syrup.

I'm also feeling weak dizzy shortness of breath no appetite and of coarse nervous , so nervous I have to catch myself so I won't go into a panic stage.

 

When the dr took me off lunesta he switched me to Xanax for 3 months. I then knew it was worst than the lunesta so I tried ct for 27 days. Decided to go into inpatient rehab and they put me on serax taper 4 days. Needless to say after all that mess I know when panic is about to set in.

 

As I mentioned my worry is what if my body just doesn't want this drug and is causing all these side-effects? But my logic says that its most likely the WD from drop in dose. If I end up not being able to tolerate the mirtz again the only way out is a taper or c/t. And c/t is from the example I got as bad as benzos.

 

Lexi thks for the scale info ! Maybe you or Wulf can answer a dumb question for me? I did buy a jewelers scale. So if I have it set for grams how many grams would should 2mg be in the gram mode. See I've weighed the 15 mg pill and then divide that number by 8 then I figure that's the 1.87 mg. does that make sense? Maybe there's an easier way?

 

Thk u

2006 til May2013Lunesta 3mg.

Cross to xanax.25mg 6/2013. stopXanax C/T oct 2 for 27 days.

reinstate with Valium end of oct taper.rehab taper too fast began up-dosing to stabilize.

Nov19 cross over to Librium plus low dose remoron as needed for sleep.

nov20 switched to .25 klon 0.125 twice. lib causing depression as well as Val.11/24/13 klon cuasing hives 11/26/13 dr put me back on Librium 25g.11/30Lib 20mg.12/4 15mgLib -12/7 14mg lib.

12/12 13mg lib12/12 rehab

12/16/13 last dose

12/31/13 out of rehab

Remeron jan6/14 3.75mg

2/.8/14 stop rem ct@3.75mg -Back on rem 1.87mg 2/21/14

May2,) 8mg @ 8:30pm& .2 @ 9:30pm -May 22 @ .9 mg

May 31was my last dose of 0.9 remeron

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There is 1000 mg to a gram. So 15 mg = .015g. How low does your scale go? What is the lowest weight it will measure? Can you crush the pill and then measure .002g. of the powder. This is the equivalent of 2mg

Please note - I am not a medical practitioner and I do not give medical advice. I offer an opinion based on my own experiences, reading and discussion with others.On Effexor for 2 months at the start of 2005. Had extreme insomnia as an adverse reaction. Changed to mirtazapine. Have been trying to get off since mid 2008 with numerous failures including CTs and slow (but not slow enough tapers)Have slow tapered at 10 per cent or less for years. I have liquid mirtazapine made at a compounding chemist.

Was on 1.6 ml as at 19 March 2014.

Dropped to 1.5 ml 7 June 2014. Dropped to 1.4 in about September.

Dropped to 1.3 on 20 December 2014. Dropped to 1.2 in mid Jan 2015.

Dropped to 1 ml in late Feb 2015. I think my old medication had run out of puff so I tried 1ml when I got the new stuff and it seems to be going ok. Sleep has been good over the last week (as of 13/3/15).

Dropped to 1/2 ml 14/11/15 Fatigue still there as are memory and cognition problems. Sleep is patchy but liveable compared to what it has been in the past.

 

DRUG FREE - as at 1st May 2017

 

>My intro post is here - http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/2250-dalsaan

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MIami1, I think you've gotten the hang of the calculations. We usually use percentages, but you're right, 1/8 of the 15mg pill would be 1.87mg.

 

Out of curiosity, what does your 15mg pill weigh? The filler will cause it to weigh more than 15mg.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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Hi Dalsaan/Alto:

scale is a Gemini-20 (20g x 0.001g) and the 15 mg pill weighs at 0.104gr. So on my scale 0.013gr =1.87 gr. does this look right?

Question , I'm on my 4th day of feeling psychologicly and physically destroyed since I skipped a dose April 1st as well as couple small dose cuts, will I feel better anytime soon? Is the psych sxs of anxiety and doom normal? I feel the only thing that will calm me is a benzo and that's ironic since they put me on mirtz for sleep due to benzo withdrawl.

 

Thk u

2006 til May2013Lunesta 3mg.

Cross to xanax.25mg 6/2013. stopXanax C/T oct 2 for 27 days.

reinstate with Valium end of oct taper.rehab taper too fast began up-dosing to stabilize.

Nov19 cross over to Librium plus low dose remoron as needed for sleep.

nov20 switched to .25 klon 0.125 twice. lib causing depression as well as Val.11/24/13 klon cuasing hives 11/26/13 dr put me back on Librium 25g.11/30Lib 20mg.12/4 15mgLib -12/7 14mg lib.

12/12 13mg lib12/12 rehab

12/16/13 last dose

12/31/13 out of rehab

Remeron jan6/14 3.75mg

2/.8/14 stop rem ct@3.75mg -Back on rem 1.87mg 2/21/14

May2,) 8mg @ 8:30pm& .2 @ 9:30pm -May 22 @ .9 mg

May 31was my last dose of 0.9 remeron

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The math looks right.

 

Sometimes it takes a while to stabilize after reinstating.

 

Yes, like benzo withdrawal, mirtazipine withdrawal can cause "psychiatric" side effects.

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Miami1,

Its hard to tell how long it will take to stabilize. Try to put in a diary how you feel, and how you felt your sleep was in the morning. There is a window/wave pattern to healing/stabilizing so there will be better days and worse. Better hours and worse. A diary can help with recognizing that you are getting better.

 

Can you please add to your signature the Xanax, dose, how long, and how fast you tapered?

 

"Is the psych sxs of anxiety and doom normal?"

Many i think get it. I have been in and out to ER like a jojo for a while when i tapered to fast. Anxiety attacks. I realy believed i where dying! It is my belief that tapering mirtazapine elevates stress hormones and gives several fysiological effects like chest pressure etc. When i became more used to tapering i where able to recognize all this stuff for what it was and did a lot of relaxing, mindfullness, yoga nidra etc so to not add cognitive stress to the wd stress.

2010: Mirtazapine 30mg followed by Zopiclone 7.5 mg for sleep post surgery due to pain.
2012-> Tapering Mirtazapine and Zopiclone at different rates unsuccessfully.
2013: Hospitalized 10 days due to complete Insomnia. Forced back up to 45mg Mirtazapine, 7.5 mg Zopiclone and also Theralene 1 ml.
2013-03: Lab showed Vitamin D deficient. Found the vitamin d and insomnia connection. Supplementing vitamin d. Sleep improved by 1-2 hours
2013-04: Dropped mirtazapine to 30 due to severe side effects. Quit Theralene. Zopiclone 7.5.
2013-05 - 2013-11: Mirtazapine taper monthly 25 20 15 11 8 4 2.5 mg
2013-12 Holding M at 2.5. Need to taper Zopiclone due to daytime nausea and vomiting. Taper zopiclone 1/4 red every 5 d. Last Z 2013-12-19
2013-12-31 M:2.5. Reinstated Zopiclone 3.75 due to Insomnia
2014-01-06 M:2.5. Taper Z 1.9 ... 2014-01-14 M:2.5. Z 1 mg.
Jumped of Zopiclone 01-20. Jumped mirtazapine 02-16.

Theralene: 10mg 02-09. 8mg 03-09. 5mg 03-15. 4mg 03-24. 3mg 04-08. Jumped 04-21.
Zopiclone free for 251 days. Mirtazapine free for 224 days.

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You're getting good advice so I'll just add a couple of things:

 

If you want to make your own liquid you may not need to crush the pill. I don't recommend it, because small amounts are lost as powder. First just try putting it in water and see if the pill dissolves on its own. It may take a little while, my one that's coated takes about ten minutes. If it doesn't dissolve in water then try to crush it directly in the container that you're going to be adding water to, so powder won't be lost.

 

Sounds like your math is good. Like Alto says, if you're going to dry cut you have to use percentages.

 

Sounds to me like you might do best reinstating and stabilizing somewhere around 1.8 to 2 if possible.

 

You're probably still experiencing benzo withdrawal, as well as increased sensitivity to changes in the mirtazipine due to the benzo withdrawal. So stabilizing is probably not going to be an overnight or straightforward process. At this point if you can reinstate to a daily dose (same amount, measured accurately, same time or times every day) the hope will be to get some relief of symptoms, but you're probably going to continue to have ups and downs for a while. Don't be alarmed. This will resolve over time.

 

It will help if you reduce stress, eat a good diet, and get gentle exercise. Our "Symptoms and Self-Care"section has discussions of what people have found helpful for withdrawal. The main thing is to support your healing CNS, and be patient, because time is the primary healer.

 

Feelings of "anxiety and doom" are very common in benzo withdrawal as well as in all psych drug withdrawal. There's a lot of overlap of withdrawal symptoms between the different kinds of meds. 

Started on Prozac and Xanax in 1992 for PTSD after an assault. One drug led to more, the usual story. Got sicker and sicker, but believed I needed the drugs for my "underlying disease". Long story...lost everything. Life savings, home, physical and mental health, relationships, friendships, ability to work, everything. Amitryptiline, Prozac, bupropion, buspirone, flurazepam, diazepam, alprazolam, Paxil, citalopram, lamotrigine, gabapentin...probably more I've forgotten. 

Started multidrug taper in Feb 2010.  Doing a very slow microtaper, down to low doses now and feeling SO much better, getting my old personality and my brain back! Able to work full time, have a full social life, and cope with stress better than ever. Not perfect, but much better. After 23 lost years. Big Pharma has a lot to answer for. And "medicine for profit" is just not a great idea.

 

Feb 15 2010:  300 mg Neurontin  200 Lamictal   10 Celexa      0.65 Xanax   and 5 mg Ambien 

Feb 10 2014:   62 Lamictal    1.1 Celexa         0.135 Xanax    1.8 Valium

Feb 10 2015:   50 Lamictal      0.875 Celexa    0.11 Xanax      1.5 Valium

Feb 15 2016:   47.5 Lamictal   0.75 Celexa      0.0875 Xanax    1.42 Valium    

2/12/20             12                       0.045               0.007                   1 

May 2021            7                       0.01                  0.0037                   1

 

I'm not a doctor. Any advice I give is just my civilian opinion.

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If you want to make your own liquid you may not need to crush the pill. I don't recommend it, because small amounts are lost as powder. First just try putting it in water and see if the pill dissolves on its own. It may take a little while, my one that's coated takes about ten minutes. If it doesn't dissolve in water then try to crush it directly in the container that you're going to be adding water to, so powder won't be lost.

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Rhi, this is a great suggestion. I'm going to add it to the topic in the Tapering section.

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Rhi Thk u!

 

I was getting ready to post questions that you may have answered although I hope I get some feed back from many.

 

I'm stil experiencing heavy sxs worst being a feeling of anxiety I have not felt before.

Anxiety:

It's like directionless anxiety and panic all in one. Im used to anxiety w/benzo WD but this anxiety stays put unlike benzo ,come & go.

 

Shakiness, hand tremor,jaw tremor;.

This is another symptom I had little or none of.

 

Sleep;

I wake up in a state of nervousness.

Getting anywhere between 2-5 hrs

 

Appetite ;

Not good.

 

tinnitus&headache different than past. More ringing and pressure variations.

 

Is this all remeron WD? All these symptoms are way different than benzo WD . The desperation was so intense last night I thought of going to the hospital but kept reminding myself there nothing much they can do except serve up some Ativan. I'm still at 1.87 mg and taking 12.5 vistaril last few nights as well as magnesium.

Does this even out eventually ? Should I stay on same dose? Can this take weeks feeling like this?

I feel emotionally out of control. Scary.

 

Thank you all

2006 til May2013Lunesta 3mg.

Cross to xanax.25mg 6/2013. stopXanax C/T oct 2 for 27 days.

reinstate with Valium end of oct taper.rehab taper too fast began up-dosing to stabilize.

Nov19 cross over to Librium plus low dose remoron as needed for sleep.

nov20 switched to .25 klon 0.125 twice. lib causing depression as well as Val.11/24/13 klon cuasing hives 11/26/13 dr put me back on Librium 25g.11/30Lib 20mg.12/4 15mgLib -12/7 14mg lib.

12/12 13mg lib12/12 rehab

12/16/13 last dose

12/31/13 out of rehab

Remeron jan6/14 3.75mg

2/.8/14 stop rem ct@3.75mg -Back on rem 1.87mg 2/21/14

May2,) 8mg @ 8:30pm& .2 @ 9:30pm -May 22 @ .9 mg

May 31was my last dose of 0.9 remeron

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Wikipedia: "hydroxyzine(vistaril, atarax) has also been shown to act as a 5-HT2A (Ki = ~50 nM), D2 (Ki = 378 nM), and α1-adrenergic (Ki = ~300 nM ) receptor antagonist."

 

This means that Vistaril affects the many of the same receptors as mirtazapine. I would be carful in changing about with dosage of this medication. Also, i think you need to taper it later on. MD:s think you can jojo about with dosage of first generation antihistamines, but you can not.

 

Atarax/Vistaril seems to help people with sleep, but for me it has the opposite effect. I cant sleep and get revved up.

 

I got tinnitus from meds, hard to tell exactly which, maybe from all of them. I suggest that you do a search in the intro threads for mirtazapine and read a few of the threads there. Most of your symptoms is experienced by others, and that may help with calming a bit.

 

After coming of my meds most wd symptoms and side effects has abated. Tinnitus is still there, but i think it has mellowed somewhat.

 

There is hope, it just takes a little time!

2010: Mirtazapine 30mg followed by Zopiclone 7.5 mg for sleep post surgery due to pain.
2012-> Tapering Mirtazapine and Zopiclone at different rates unsuccessfully.
2013: Hospitalized 10 days due to complete Insomnia. Forced back up to 45mg Mirtazapine, 7.5 mg Zopiclone and also Theralene 1 ml.
2013-03: Lab showed Vitamin D deficient. Found the vitamin d and insomnia connection. Supplementing vitamin d. Sleep improved by 1-2 hours
2013-04: Dropped mirtazapine to 30 due to severe side effects. Quit Theralene. Zopiclone 7.5.
2013-05 - 2013-11: Mirtazapine taper monthly 25 20 15 11 8 4 2.5 mg
2013-12 Holding M at 2.5. Need to taper Zopiclone due to daytime nausea and vomiting. Taper zopiclone 1/4 red every 5 d. Last Z 2013-12-19
2013-12-31 M:2.5. Reinstated Zopiclone 3.75 due to Insomnia
2014-01-06 M:2.5. Taper Z 1.9 ... 2014-01-14 M:2.5. Z 1 mg.
Jumped of Zopiclone 01-20. Jumped mirtazapine 02-16.

Theralene: 10mg 02-09. 8mg 03-09. 5mg 03-15. 4mg 03-24. 3mg 04-08. Jumped 04-21.
Zopiclone free for 251 days. Mirtazapine free for 224 days.

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There are threads here mentioning you not try antihistamines for sleep. They can turn paradoxical like Wulgar says and have other effects too. I think they (I used Vistaril too) can cause further nervous system upset which you don't want. No matter what 'the internet' says, the collective wisdom here has not found a magic bullet for curing insomnia while suffering withdrawal. Magnesium glycinate helps me a lot as does lying quietly in bed even if awake. You can survive insomnia quite well this way. Symptoms and Self Care has all the info.

What happened and how I arrived here: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4243-cymbaltawithdrawal5600-introduction/#entry50878

 

July 2016 I have decided to leave my story here at SA unfinished. I have left my contact information in my profile for anyone who wishes to talk to me. I have a posting history spanning nearly 4 years and 3000+ posts all over the site.

 

Thank you to all who participated in my recovery. I'll miss talking to you but know that I'll be cheering you on from the sidelines, suffering and rejoicing with you in spirit, as you go on in your journey.

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Thks Wulf & Cym

 

No more vistaril . What about( Zofran (ondansetron) 4 mg.) or promethazine for nausea? Is that safe?

Shouldn't some of the sxs like lethargy,nausea headaches subside ease just enough to notice inprovment daily?

 

Thank you all

2006 til May2013Lunesta 3mg.

Cross to xanax.25mg 6/2013. stopXanax C/T oct 2 for 27 days.

reinstate with Valium end of oct taper.rehab taper too fast began up-dosing to stabilize.

Nov19 cross over to Librium plus low dose remoron as needed for sleep.

nov20 switched to .25 klon 0.125 twice. lib causing depression as well as Val.11/24/13 klon cuasing hives 11/26/13 dr put me back on Librium 25g.11/30Lib 20mg.12/4 15mgLib -12/7 14mg lib.

12/12 13mg lib12/12 rehab

12/16/13 last dose

12/31/13 out of rehab

Remeron jan6/14 3.75mg

2/.8/14 stop rem ct@3.75mg -Back on rem 1.87mg 2/21/14

May2,) 8mg @ 8:30pm& .2 @ 9:30pm -May 22 @ .9 mg

May 31was my last dose of 0.9 remeron

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Any drug can cause problems in a sensitized person. I don't think anyone here can recommend one because none of us are doctors, just volunteers trying to cope and give you the best non drug advice we can. Unfortunately for me, I did not know that I was destabilizing after my initial brutal withdrawal and no one else did either. If I had read the topics here on Vistaril and what it could do maybe I wouldn't have tried but I don't think so. I have a lifetime of reaching for a pill for things instead of trying natural remedies. Now? I suffer through headaches and use a heating pad for muscle aches. No ibuprofen, no aspirin, no nothing. I am not going to risk my slow recovery and have what happened to me last Nov. happen again.

 

Ginger tea has been recommended for nausea by some and it works. A bland diet and drink enough water to flush your system. I quit a lifetime of diet coke and coffee abruptly in Nov. and I am sure a lot of my illness then had to do with that. I won't chance that by going back.

 

There is so much good info in the Symptoms and Self Care forum. What works for others who are not in withdrawal often makes us sicker,  especially problematic are supplements.

What happened and how I arrived here: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4243-cymbaltawithdrawal5600-introduction/#entry50878

 

July 2016 I have decided to leave my story here at SA unfinished. I have left my contact information in my profile for anyone who wishes to talk to me. I have a posting history spanning nearly 4 years and 3000+ posts all over the site.

 

Thank you to all who participated in my recovery. I'll miss talking to you but know that I'll be cheering you on from the sidelines, suffering and rejoicing with you in spirit, as you go on in your journey.

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Zofran, is a serotonin 5-HT3 receptor antagonist. It is messing with serotonin. Promethazine is almost the same as Vistaril, an first gen antihistamine. I sometimes think that almost all meds acts on neuroreceptors. Doctors just love prescribing those because they do have some extreme effects.

Ginger tea might work. I found that eating meat and vegetable soup worked quite well. A bland diet like Cym said. I ate meat soup for a very long time.

Miami1! i am just an normal guy with little medical education, so, even though i try to read and learn a lot about these meds, for me to say that this or that is bad for you feels a little wrong. So, maybe promethazine might work. I don't know. Please just be careful with prescription meds, as the experiences here is not all that good with mixing them in while in withdrawal.

 

Improvements for me never came daily, but in small increments now and then, and also some setbacks. Each time i changed doses/tapered it took a week or two before getting any better. The first week i usually got gradually worse. Just taking a multivitamin could cause a big setback.

2010: Mirtazapine 30mg followed by Zopiclone 7.5 mg for sleep post surgery due to pain.
2012-> Tapering Mirtazapine and Zopiclone at different rates unsuccessfully.
2013: Hospitalized 10 days due to complete Insomnia. Forced back up to 45mg Mirtazapine, 7.5 mg Zopiclone and also Theralene 1 ml.
2013-03: Lab showed Vitamin D deficient. Found the vitamin d and insomnia connection. Supplementing vitamin d. Sleep improved by 1-2 hours
2013-04: Dropped mirtazapine to 30 due to severe side effects. Quit Theralene. Zopiclone 7.5.
2013-05 - 2013-11: Mirtazapine taper monthly 25 20 15 11 8 4 2.5 mg
2013-12 Holding M at 2.5. Need to taper Zopiclone due to daytime nausea and vomiting. Taper zopiclone 1/4 red every 5 d. Last Z 2013-12-19
2013-12-31 M:2.5. Reinstated Zopiclone 3.75 due to Insomnia
2014-01-06 M:2.5. Taper Z 1.9 ... 2014-01-14 M:2.5. Z 1 mg.
Jumped of Zopiclone 01-20. Jumped mirtazapine 02-16.

Theralene: 10mg 02-09. 8mg 03-09. 5mg 03-15. 4mg 03-24. 3mg 04-08. Jumped 04-21.
Zopiclone free for 251 days. Mirtazapine free for 224 days.

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Thks Wulf & Cym

 

No more vistaril . What about( Zofran (ondansetron) 4 mg.) or promethazine for nausea? Is that safe?

Shouldn't some of the sxs like lethargy,nausea headaches subside ease just enough to notice inprovment daily?

 

Thank you all

 

Hi Miami--

 

Like I said here: "You're probably still experiencing benzo withdrawal, as well as increased sensitivity to changes in the mirtazipine due to the benzo withdrawal. So stabilizing is probably not going to be an overnight or straightforward process. At this point if you can reinstate to a daily dose (same amount, measured accurately, same time or times every day) the hope will be to get some relief of symptoms, but you're probably going to continue to have ups and downs for a while. Don't be alarmed. This will resolve over time."

 

Your situation isn't as straightforward as some people's. Your benzo withdrawal is compounding your mirt withdrawal, and vice versa. Unfortunately our nervous systems are not made of separate little compartments. Everything interacts with everything else. 

 

I think your best bet is to just hold still with your current reinstatement for two or three weeks and see what happens, and study our Symptoms and Self Care section for nondrug approaches to help with symptoms. And talk to people here and get lots of support for getting through this.

 

After two or three weeks if you feel you want to reinstate a bit higher you can give that a try, but only in very tiny steps (say from 1.87 up to 2 max) and then hold and wait for a long time again.

 

Benzo withdrawal, all by itself, tends to go in a roller coaster fashion. It will get better and people will think they're fine and out of the woods, and then it will hit again and people will be sick for weeks or months. This is typical. I've never met anyone who did a benzo CT who was feeling consistently well five months later. 

 

So the fact that you're not getting daily improvement is not a bad sign and is not a surprise. 

Started on Prozac and Xanax in 1992 for PTSD after an assault. One drug led to more, the usual story. Got sicker and sicker, but believed I needed the drugs for my "underlying disease". Long story...lost everything. Life savings, home, physical and mental health, relationships, friendships, ability to work, everything. Amitryptiline, Prozac, bupropion, buspirone, flurazepam, diazepam, alprazolam, Paxil, citalopram, lamotrigine, gabapentin...probably more I've forgotten. 

Started multidrug taper in Feb 2010.  Doing a very slow microtaper, down to low doses now and feeling SO much better, getting my old personality and my brain back! Able to work full time, have a full social life, and cope with stress better than ever. Not perfect, but much better. After 23 lost years. Big Pharma has a lot to answer for. And "medicine for profit" is just not a great idea.

 

Feb 15 2010:  300 mg Neurontin  200 Lamictal   10 Celexa      0.65 Xanax   and 5 mg Ambien 

Feb 10 2014:   62 Lamictal    1.1 Celexa         0.135 Xanax    1.8 Valium

Feb 10 2015:   50 Lamictal      0.875 Celexa    0.11 Xanax      1.5 Valium

Feb 15 2016:   47.5 Lamictal   0.75 Celexa      0.0875 Xanax    1.42 Valium    

2/12/20             12                       0.045               0.007                   1 

May 2021            7                       0.01                  0.0037                   1

 

I'm not a doctor. Any advice I give is just my civilian opinion.

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Pls help;

Yesterday afternoon the anxiety began ramping up hence zero sleep which in turn lead me to the edge of a breakdown. I felt so wound up my mind was on overload constantly tring to solve the issue of not stablizing,deathing panic. I couldn't stop my mind from racing with desperation and fear that I will go back to benzos and not make it. Finally I started to settle down but feeling physically and mentally ill. I went to see my pysch doc and he said "I'm prolonging the death" that I'm sick with it and sick without that I should go in a inpatient rehab that he was the head of for 20 years part of a local hospital here in Miami and tough it out for a month. I'm only on 1.87 mg of mirtz but it might as well be 15 because it has a tight grip on me! I am also so taxed on months of benzo WD that I am both physically and mentally weak. How long should I go trying to stablize and if I decide to get off how can I minimize the damage and the nightmares to come? I've been on mirtz since jan 6/14 stoped for a period of 15 days in feb reinstated at 1.87 mg.

I am so messed up !

 

Thks

2006 til May2013Lunesta 3mg.

Cross to xanax.25mg 6/2013. stopXanax C/T oct 2 for 27 days.

reinstate with Valium end of oct taper.rehab taper too fast began up-dosing to stabilize.

Nov19 cross over to Librium plus low dose remoron as needed for sleep.

nov20 switched to .25 klon 0.125 twice. lib causing depression as well as Val.11/24/13 klon cuasing hives 11/26/13 dr put me back on Librium 25g.11/30Lib 20mg.12/4 15mgLib -12/7 14mg lib.

12/12 13mg lib12/12 rehab

12/16/13 last dose

12/31/13 out of rehab

Remeron jan6/14 3.75mg

2/.8/14 stop rem ct@3.75mg -Back on rem 1.87mg 2/21/14

May2,) 8mg @ 8:30pm& .2 @ 9:30pm -May 22 @ .9 mg

May 31was my last dose of 0.9 remeron

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What does your doctor mean by "I'm prolonging the death"? What does he expect the hospital to do for you?

 

My guess is you are suffering benzo withdrawal and mirtazapine withdrawal. You will experience some bad times before your nervous system settles down. Please hang in there.

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I wish I had something more helpful to suggest, but I think its just going to be a matter of time, doing what you can to get through each day until you start to stabilize.  It will happen.

 

You are not alone in experiencing these extreme waves of symptoms, many of us have been there in the course of our withdrawal process, not knowing how we are going to get through the next minute, let alone another day.  Scared out of our minds because of the confusion and complete lack of control over our experience of life.  I have found that being able to accept whatever I'm going through, knowing that it will eventually pass, has helped the most.

 

Have a look through this link about dealing with symptoms:

 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1112-non-drug-techniques-to-cope-with-emotional-symptoms/

 

If posting here and reading other people's experiences helps, keep doing it.  Whatever you need to do to get through this difficult time.

I'm not a doctor.  My comments are not medical advise. These are my opinions based on my own experience and what I've learned. Please discuss your situation with a medical practitioner who has knowledge of tapering and withdrawal...if you are lucky enough to find one.

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Thks Alto: it's a inpatient rehab center at a local hospital and his thought is if I go in after ct the mirtz I'd have a support group in there.

And he thinks the 1.87 mg that I'm taking should not be too ugly. Although I know it's not going to be easy specialy with the benzo WD.

 

Thks gold star ; I am scared and feel everything is spiraling out of control. I will continue to hang in there but am concerned that the mirtz may be a part of this mess, aside from the benzo WD.

 

QUESTION: today I started to experience some 3D vision like I'm walkin in a tunnel and depth perception is off?

Benzos or mirtz related ?

Thks

2006 til May2013Lunesta 3mg.

Cross to xanax.25mg 6/2013. stopXanax C/T oct 2 for 27 days.

reinstate with Valium end of oct taper.rehab taper too fast began up-dosing to stabilize.

Nov19 cross over to Librium plus low dose remoron as needed for sleep.

nov20 switched to .25 klon 0.125 twice. lib causing depression as well as Val.11/24/13 klon cuasing hives 11/26/13 dr put me back on Librium 25g.11/30Lib 20mg.12/4 15mgLib -12/7 14mg lib.

12/12 13mg lib12/12 rehab

12/16/13 last dose

12/31/13 out of rehab

Remeron jan6/14 3.75mg

2/.8/14 stop rem ct@3.75mg -Back on rem 1.87mg 2/21/14

May2,) 8mg @ 8:30pm& .2 @ 9:30pm -May 22 @ .9 mg

May 31was my last dose of 0.9 remeron

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Hello Miami1,

 

I'm very sorry for what you are gong through. 

 

I also "tapered" both benzo and AD at the same time and was in an awful state when I came here. I experienced horrible symptoms like nothing before. It wasn't vision in my case but it's not uncommon. As the mods said, when 2 things are in play, it's hard to say which is which. (And not that knowing it helps much :( reinstating helped me with a bit of relief immediately and then I was very slowly recovering over 4 months resisting the urge to change doses.

 

I just wanted to share this experience with you so that you know there is hope. And that the process takes long with very slow improvements. But it happens. I've also come to see that Alto and other people here know much more about these drugs than any doctor. So although it sounds strange to listen to opinion from somebody on the forum and not a medical professional, our own experiences tell us it's our best bet. 

 

Luckily I don't have experience with hospitals but the reason I wouldn't recommend it is that people go there expecting shelter, understanding and support and more often than not end up as guinea pigs with loads of medication being thrown at them. And that's the last thing a battered CNS needs. But it seems the only thing doctors can do.

 

I might not be understanding things right but looking at your signature it seems like those rehab things are just for taking people off drugs at very dangerous speeds. It also seems like that doctor in his dangerous ignorance wants to take you off the medication again not understanding that the worst things happen when the substance is out of the system. That's why many of us after being harmed by our doctors decided we had no choice but to take things into our own hands.

 

Tomorrow I will find for you what Rhi wrote explaining how these drugs work and why coming off in the way your doctor thinks is a very bad and dangerous idea. You seem to be a victim of rehabs :(

 

I'm glad you are here with us and believe you can endure this ordeal.

 

best,

bubble

Current: Xanax 0.26 (down from 2 mg in 2013), Lexapro 2.85 mg (down from 5 mg 2013)

Amitriptyline (tricyclic AD) and clonazepam for 3 months to treat headache in 1996 
1999. - present Xanax prn up to 3 mg.
2000-2005 Prozac CT twice, 2005-2010 Zoloft CT 3 times, 2010-2013 Escitalopram 10 mg
went from 2.5 to zero on 7 Aug 2013, bad crash 40 days after
reinstated to 5 mg Escitalopram 4Oct 2013 and holding liquid Xanax every 5 hours
28 Jan 2014 Xanax 1.9, 18 Apr  2015 1 mg,  25 June 2015 Lex 4.8, 6 Aug Lexapro 4.6, 1 Jan 2016 0.64  Xanax     9 month hold

24 Sept 2016 4.5 Lex, 17 Oct 4.4 Lex (Nov 0.63 Xanax, Dec 0.625 Xanax), 1 Jan 2017 4.3 Lex, 24 Jan 4.2, 5 Feb 4.1, 24 Mar 4 mg, 10 Apr 3.9 mg, May 3.85, June 3.8, July 3.75, 22 July 3.7, 15 Aug 3.65, 17 Sept 3.6, 1 Jan 2018 3.55, 19 Jan 3.5, 16 Mar 3.4, 14 Apr 3.3, 23 May 3.2, 16 June 3.15, 15 Jul 3.1, 31 Jul 3, 21 Aug 2.9 26 Sept 2.85, 14 Nov Xan 0.61, 1 Dec 0.59, 19 Dec 0.58, 4 Jan 0.565, 6 Feb 0.55, 20 Feb 0.535, 1 Mar 0.505, 10 Mar 0.475, 14 Mar 0.45, 4 Apr 0.415, 13 Apr 0.37, 21 Apr 0.33, 29 Apr 0.29, 10 May 0.27, 17 May 0.25, 28 May 0.22, 19 June 0.22, 21 Jun updose to 0.24, 24 Jun updose to 0.26

Supplements: Omega 3 + Vit E, Vit C, D, magnesium, Taurine, probiotic 

I'm not a medical professional. Any advice I give is based on my own experience and reading. 

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Thk u Bubble ; sound like my nightmare will continue for a while. I get in this place that all seems hopeless but will continue on until I beat this.

2006 til May2013Lunesta 3mg.

Cross to xanax.25mg 6/2013. stopXanax C/T oct 2 for 27 days.

reinstate with Valium end of oct taper.rehab taper too fast began up-dosing to stabilize.

Nov19 cross over to Librium plus low dose remoron as needed for sleep.

nov20 switched to .25 klon 0.125 twice. lib causing depression as well as Val.11/24/13 klon cuasing hives 11/26/13 dr put me back on Librium 25g.11/30Lib 20mg.12/4 15mgLib -12/7 14mg lib.

12/12 13mg lib12/12 rehab

12/16/13 last dose

12/31/13 out of rehab

Remeron jan6/14 3.75mg

2/.8/14 stop rem ct@3.75mg -Back on rem 1.87mg 2/21/14

May2,) 8mg @ 8:30pm& .2 @ 9:30pm -May 22 @ .9 mg

May 31was my last dose of 0.9 remeron

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