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I dont know were to post this but I really want to say this that I truly feel that we people who suffer from this are truly on our own with relatives, families etc because the society is for no help, really.. It´s like "we" are the people that will write history and are truly victims of these awful drugs, just the fact that no one knows when this will end is scary... really scary when it comes and go like this.. bleh

 

It feels just unbelievble that we are people exparing something that is quite new to the society.. I feel like ive been a huge test animal and now the goverment can see how the drugged worked on me and how bad i suffer from stop taking it..

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What I find interesting is how the medical field responds when you reference the fact that you have withdrawn from antidepressants.  They act like they have never heard of such a thing.  I have even gotten the question "why" like it is a blasphemy to do such a thing.

 

It is truly discouraging when you are not feeling well and tell the doctor you feel it is related to withdrawal.  They have no answers and are so in the dark about these drugs and the way they mess up our bodies.  I've really come to the decision that we are truly alone in all this and the only resource we have is the internet.  I am fighting an issue now related to acute sense of smell which has turned into having terrible allergic reactions.  Went to the doctor, explained what I've learned about antidepressants having antihistamine properties and saying that I feel the withdrawal of the antidepressants kicked off this histamine overload. They just say "I've never heard of that" and tell you to get an antihistamine and a neti pot.

 

I'll just keep researching the internet and looking for clues.  God bless us!

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Meimeiquest

I had one of those snort liquids while suddenly laughing moments when I read on another withdrawal site: why would you take the advice of an unknown person via the Internet over your own doctor's advice. Why? Let me count the reasons....

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I have completely lost faith in the medical profession and don't intend to take any more drugs than the one very low dose blood pressure med I'm on. My depression was caused by Lipitor, and afterward I suffered a lung infection that was never diagnosed until I saw an ad on TV warning people that taking Pristiq and aspirin together could cause excessive bleeding.  The lung specialist I saw never heard of Pristiq and decided that I had an exotic form of TB. Right. (What I had was blood dripping down the back of my throat and into my lungs and stomach all day long. I was throwing up blood and coughing it up, too.)  I've read of a number of people, diagnosed with cancer, who refused treatment and went on to live many more healthy years than expected. Modern medicine is no better than ancient witchcraft and often more harmful, IMO.

 

I've also noticed that many people on this forum are brighter and more talented than the average, and that alone sets us apart. See my old thread: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1802-what-we-have-in-common-aside-from-ads/

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Bellisimo

suke same with me, you know after quitting my ssri im like allergic to everything

my docs is the same they all say "never heard of that, cant be that " lol

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My GP refuses to believe withdrawal can last longer than a week, regardless of time spent on the meds. When I last went to see him he told me that all my symptoms were explained by my low body weight, and I should "make myself eat McDonalds!" I wanted to hit him, as low body weight is for me a symptom not a cause, and I've developed so many intolerances to things even attempting to eat McDonalds would cause me great pain. I had told him I'm intolerant to gluten and diary, and now since withdrawal sugars, nuts and soya....he just said I had an IBS diagnosis and people with IBS often have food intolerances. That made me even angrier as was diagnosed IBS many many years ago and noone even mentioned food intolerances being the cause.

I don't trust doctors any more.

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I have completely lost faith in the medical profession and don't intend to take any more drugs than the one very low dose blood pressure med I'm on. My depression was caused by Lipitor, and afterward I suffered a lung infection that was never diagnosed until I saw an ad on TV warning people that taking Pristiq and aspirin together could cause excessive bleeding.  The lung specialist I saw never heard of Pristiq and decided that I had an exotic form of TB. Right. (What I had was blood dripping down the back of my throat and into my lungs and stomach all day long. I was throwing up blood and coughing it up, too.)  I've read of a number of people, diagnosed with cancer, who refused treatment and went on to live many more healthy years than expected. Modern medicine is no better than ancient witchcraft and often more harmful, IMO.

 

I've also noticed that many people on this forum are brighter and more talented than the average, and that alone sets us apart. See my old thread: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1802-what-we-have-in-common-aside-from-ads/

It is scary to think of ... at one point I was on viox effexor and cellexa... 

 

some times I think it is amazing I am still here. 

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UnfoldingSky

I had one of those snort liquids while suddenly laughing moments when I read on another withdrawal site: why would you take the advice of an unknown person via the Internet over your own doctor's advice. Why? Let me count the reasons....

 

 I can relate...When I reacted to Celexa after having restarted it after being off it for a year I told a friend what happened.  They then told someone they knew.  The guy worked in an office and so far as I know had no medical training.

 

His answer?  "Everyone knows you don't restart the same SSRI once you have been off it a long time".

 

Funny thing, no doctor I met knew that....

 

I wonder if that guy is taking new patients?

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UnfoldingSky

I dont know were to post this but I really want to say this that I truly feel that we people who suffer from this are truly on our own with relatives, families etc because the society is for no help, really.. It´s like "we" are the people that will write history and are truly victims of these awful drugs, just the fact that no one knows when this will end is scary... really scary when it comes and go like this.. bleh

 

It feels just unbelievble that we are people exparing something that is quite new to the society.. I feel like ive been a huge test animal and now the goverment can see how the drugged worked on me and how bad i suffer from stop taking it..

 

It reminds me of the old movie Texas Chainsaw Massacre.  At the end the girl runs for help only to find out everyone around her is in on the plot. It felt like that for me for a good long while at the beginning of withdrawal.  Sometimes though you will find people who have been through something similar; on the occasions where I was forced to divulge what happened to me to others I didn't know sometimes I was surprised to learn I was talking to another drug survivor.  I had one person who  after hearing my story told me they were also in withdrawal, and I know of a fair number of people who are friends of friends who have been affected.  So they are around, you just can't usually tell them from everyone else. 

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I would love to find another person who was in withdrawal who was aware of it.  It may well be I never find any as I stay far from any place where I have in the past found psych patients ...eg.. shrinks offices.  I have a strong need to protect myself.  All the people I have meant who take these drug all think they are wonderful and benign. 

I get the chainsaw theme... tho I did not experience it not really.  I got dumb founded looks and shrugs... when I would talk to health care workers.  The first clue I ever received was from a nurse in emerg.  who said maybe I have been on effexor long enough and needed a change.  It was a casual off handed remark she made while helping me get to the bathroom as I was so dizzy I could not walk alone. I did not think much of it at the time.  Mostly I felt shut out of care and that I was the crazy one who had symptoms with no cause... and all the tests they did blood work ect all normal.  Yet there I was sick as a dog. 

 

I am going to say one more thing... 

I had the feeling they were looking for a psych cause 

something along the line of conversion disorder where a person takes psychological/emotional disorders and in some magical way turns them into a physical disorder... I am not saying it is not possible but really if i did not have a psych dx I wonder if they would have stopped looking so quickly as it seems they just gave up on me and let me suffer. 

 

I am going to say one more thing here then shut up. 

Recently I have gone thru more seemingly bewildering physical symptoms.

Yes I have been under a great deal of stress too this past month. 

At one point in my personal thread... it was suggested to me that the physical "issues" I was having maybe a result stress induced... whatever... I am not saying stress does not make things worse... but I do think and out and out stress induced illness as in conversion disorder has never been a issue for me and if it is actually a real thing... I think it very rare.  I don't think I have it but I do understand that some here would suggest it... I just don't appreciate it. I forgive it but don't like it. 

I doubt the validity of the disorder actually and think there is something going on with the person... even if science does not have or does not employ the proper tests to find the "proof"  does not mean it is not there. 

WE have to believe in ourselves... and not give up on our health keep pushing forward as there are reasons... even if they can't find them.  Have faith.

As we see in withdrawal... much of what we feel seems unrelated to cause but much of what I was looking at in Grace E Jacksons books showed there are tests... there are studies ... joining some of these dots the research has not advanced and who would it serve if it did... US that's who nobody in power.

Think about it she writes two books they get no air play on withdrawal sites ... while other books do. I am not trying to turn this into something else not really but reasoning is just taking me on a journey. 

When we see what we see and know what we know... sooner or later you have get the idea while this damage we have(even if it is being repaired by our bodies we are damaged)  may have been accidental initially... some where along the way ... 

 

They - as in regulators and drug makers and even some who give out the drug...KNOW 

 

The drugs are damaging people ... yet they make choices to allow it to continue. Even ignoring some things that point to the damage like these two books. 

 

It is not an accident we feel on the outside it is not an accident we feel shut out we are being cast aside and shut out. 

That is where my reasoning takes me... there have been hearings... and challenges...all ending up going no place sought after change is stopped.

 

This is not an unheard suffering with no complaints or study... this is in no way new...not new at all... 2004 10 years ago...hearings were held not much changed... a warning on the box is all... 

 

We did not get her by accident... it is not like they did not know... they know now and continue..

 

 

I don't know where that leaves us but there are facts in my mind at least and it comes with a challenge of where do we go from here to get healing... and how do we address these issues if we choose too should we ever become well enough... if we don't become well enough is there anything we can do as we are... all these are personal issues and choices we each make on our own... 

Alto started a site for which we are all grateful.. this is her step I thank her for it. 

I do what I can here but often feel it is not enough tho I have no idea what else I could do.  To each our own... I cannot fool myself into believing this is still unheard of... I just can't swallow it... not now.  Not anymore and that changes how I think about it if doctors do not know maybe they are making an extreme effort not to know not to see what is happening to the people they "help".

 

This is just my reasoning and yours may be different..I would like to hear what your reasoning is maybe it will adjust mine in some way where I have more peace around this issue.  It still feels dirty to me I would like to change that some how. 

peace all

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Bellisimo

It have no trust in health care no more , maybe i will get more trust later in life but ever since i quit my ssri and going back in to hospital because im so sick with all these million of symtoms, they indeed sure seems to only look for another psyk diagnose or cause from stress.. its like its their first thought when they see me, i can see in their eyes and i can hear in their voice that they think its "all in my head" and i just feel like i want to smash them all in their face screaming at them , this is not just all in my head..

 

It doesnt matter if i have had like extreme palpations and my blood pressure under a period was high ( i check myself at home ) doc didnt even TOOK MY BT at hospital , just bc he thought its all in your head.. im so sick of that, im glad my bt now is under control, its no longer high but still just the fact that they didnt even check me sux bad, health care in sweden is so bad and this i have reciently opened up my eyes to.

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Bellisimo

 

I had one of those snort liquids while suddenly laughing moments when I read on another withdrawal site: why would you take the advice of an unknown person via the Internet over your own doctor's advice. Why? Let me count the reasons....

 

 I can relate...When I reacted to Celexa after having restarted it after being off it for a year I told a friend what happened.  They then told someone they knew.  The guy worked in an office and so far as I know had no medical training.

 

His answer?  "Everyone knows you don't restart the same SSRI once you have been off it a long time".

 

Funny thing, no doctor I met knew that....

 

I wonder if that guy is taking new patients?

 

This is REALLY scary , maybe that is why i got such bad reaction from being off my medicine for 3months and then go back on it i got a huge bad reaction.. which also caused me mentally trauma probably for life.

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Bellisimo

My GP refuses to believe withdrawal can last longer than a week, regardless of time spent on the meds. When I last went to see him he told me that all my symptoms were explained by my low body weight, and I should "make myself eat McDonalds!" I wanted to hit him, as low body weight is for me a symptom not a cause, and I've developed so many intolerances to things even attempting to eat McDonalds would cause me great pain. I had told him I'm intolerant to gluten and diary, and now since withdrawal sugars, nuts and soya....he just said I had an IBS diagnosis and people with IBS often have food intolerances. That made me even angrier as was diagnosed IBS many many years ago and noone even mentioned food intolerances being the cause.

I don't trust doctors any more.

This is same with me, its scary how little docs know because when i look in the FASS, its like information of the drugs and all from drugcompanies it says withdrawal could last 2-3 months OR longer.. doc said a few weeks , around 2 weeks LOL

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It is common enough somebody did a study on it...they have money for that study.... none to study withdrawal tho..

 

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I had one of those snort liquids while suddenly laughing moments when I read on another withdrawal site: why would you take the advice of an unknown person via the Internet over your own doctor's advice. Why? Let me count the reasons....

 

 I can relate...When I reacted to Celexa after having restarted it after being off it for a year I told a friend what happened.  They then told someone they knew.  The guy worked in an office and so far as I know had no medical training.

 

His answer?  "Everyone knows you don't restart the same SSRI once you have been off it a long time".

 

Funny thing, no doctor I met knew that....

 

I wonder if that guy is taking new patients?

 

This is REALLY scary , maybe that is why i got such bad reaction from being off my medicine for 3months and then go back on it i got a huge bad reaction.. which also caused me mentally trauma probably for life.

 

 

That does happen to people.  I was off for a year, after even doing a cold turkey that somehow went okay (I don't advise anyone try this since it is not predictable who will and won't be able to pull this off), and it was only after reinstating after being off for so long that I had severe problems.  Look up kindling, a drug that might not even have caused you a problem later can turn on you once reinstated if you have been off for a while. 

 

The reaction symptoms will get better with time away from the drug though.  But doctors should know this if an average man on the street did.

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I am going to say one more thing here then shut up. 

Recently I have gone thru more seemingly bewildering physical symptoms.

Yes I have been under a great deal of stress too this past month. 

At one point in my personal thread... it was suggested to me that the physical "issues" I was having maybe a result stress induced... whatever... I am not saying stress does not make things worse... but I do think and out and out stress induced illness as in conversion disorder has never been a issue for me and if it is actually a real thing... I think it very rare.  I don't think I have it but I do understand that some here would suggest it...

 

Stress no doubt makes things worse but that is not to say that you are causing your own issues or they did not start from other known causes, like psych drugs.  I think I may have written that stress may be making things worse for you to you at some point but if I did trust me when I say, there is no way I meant you had a conversion disorder or anything like that.

 

The trouble with conversion disorders and stuff like that, like hypochondria, is it isn't actually possible for doctors to always be aware of every possible illness.  I mean look at us, the drugs are relatively new relative to how long humanity has been around so they can't possibly know that much about illnesses they cause.  We also get subjected to all kinds of other recently invented chemicals, and now there are any number of chemical mixes in water whose effects will not be known.  Who knows what that does to people.

 

Add to that the reality that viruses mutate, and you can see that there will always be new diseases/illnesses cropping up. So they can't possibly ever know about all of them.  Time constraints also mean doctors will know more about some illnesses than others, which means they can miss a very legit physical problem that you have.   I think because of that that they should scrap conversion disorders and hypochondria.  There's a doctor in NY who takes medical mysteries and it is eye-opening to read about his cases, apparently a lot of people he finds have been made sick by the medical industry, some of whom have psych complaints.  Others with psych complaints (and sometimes physical problems) who have been told it's all in their heads it turns out have identifiable sources for their illnesses, like pesticide exposures they were not aware of. 

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:) I don't recall who said what(don't worry ufk you did not offend me if it were you I would not mind) we are learning here it is different... I am not relying on you for my health care...

 the point is it could be anything and it is so common now for others to pick up on the doctor talk that ... thanks to tv shows about drugs every psych issue on the face of the earth is on tv and computer screens... talked about in schools as awareness boosting...the doctors and talk shows and Opera... and on and on and on... it is not just doctors.. but they are ones that piss me off the most as hey they are doctors...

but it seems everybody knows... 

think back 20 years did you hear of kids talking together about ADD or ADHD or what kid has it or ODD...pick one and they know about drugs too.. I have heard them talk.  They know psych drugs the know crack... and weed what are we becoming... I wonder. 

Now I have gone off topic but i do believe it is easy for anyone with a psych issue to be doubted when they are ill.. as people tend to not believe them to think they are somehow different... 

maybe that it is all in their heads... but maybe some other form of inate difference you know they same way our shrinks see us ...not the same as them... ill so they don't have to take our side effects and withdrawal symptoms to heart as we are after all not right and likely wrong.. they are so use to trying to hear with what may have started with an objective mind that it has turned to a deaf ear... 

I wish they would see us as more being more alike than different then them and then perhaps they could hear out complaints and take a small amount of them to heart as the truth.  On the other hand maybe they already know and just don't give a ****. hard to tell from this side.

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I think part of the problem is that not everyone experiences withdrawal sickness. I work with two different people who took an antidepressant for a while and then tapered off very quickly and had no problem. One of them took paxil and quit. The other tapered quickly off cymbalta with no problem. When I told my doctor that I thought my extreme allergies and other symptoms were the result of having tapered from 30 mg of celexa to 27 mg, she laughed.

 

I don't want to have to tell the people I work with that I am experiencing any problems due to withdrawing from an antidepressant because they won't understand. I remember a long, long time ago when I started taking my first anti-depressant, paxil. It was too strong and the side-effects were extreme. But everytime I tried to stop taking it or to take less of it, I noticed my allergies came raging back so badly that I felt like I had the flu. And then I would be an emotional mess, too. I told the doctor, "Evertime I stop taking the paxil, I get sick." He laughed and the implication was, "You are sick. So stop trying to quit your medicine."  I finally decided at some point, when I couldn't stop the antidepressants, that I must need them. I was set to take them for life. But now, I realize that I just need to take it really slowly and give myself a chance to adjust to each small taper. This website and others like it have given me hope.

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I think part of the problem is that not everyone experiences withdrawal sickness. I work with two different people who took an antidepressant for a while and then tapered off very quickly and had no problem. One of them took paxil and quit. The other tapered quickly off cymbalta with no problem. When I told my doctor that I thought my extreme allergies and other symptoms were the result of having tapered from 30 mg of celexa to 27 mg, she laughed.

 

I don't want to have to tell the people I work with that I am experiencing any problems due to withdrawing from an antidepressant because they won't understand. I remember a long, long time ago when I started taking my first anti-depressant, paxil. It was too strong and the side-effects were extreme. But everytime I tried to stop taking it or to take less of it, I noticed my allergies came raging back so badly that I felt like I had the flu. And then I would be an emotional mess, too. I told the doctor, "Evertime I stop taking the paxil, I get sick." He laughed and the implication was, "You are sick. So stop trying to quit your medicine."  I finally decided at some point, when I couldn't stop the antidepressants, that I must need them. I was set to take them for life. But now, I realize that I just need to take it really slowly and give myself a chance to adjust to each small taper. This website and others like it have given me hope.

This is so common I wish it were not. 

I am glad your here now and glad you seeing now you not alone.  I am glad you have hope now.  

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I think part of the problem is that not everyone experiences withdrawal sickness. I work with two different people who took an antidepressant for a while and then tapered off very quickly and had no problem. One of them took paxil and quit. The other tapered quickly off cymbalta with no problem. When I told my doctor that I thought my extreme allergies and other symptoms were the result of having tapered from 30 mg of celexa to 27 mg, she laughed.

 

I don't want to have to tell the people I work with that I am experiencing any problems due to withdrawing from an antidepressant because they won't understand. I remember a long, long time ago when I started taking my first anti-depressant, paxil. It was too strong and the side-effects were extreme. But everytime I tried to stop taking it or to take less of it, I noticed my allergies came raging back so badly that I felt like I had the flu. And then I would be an emotional mess, too. I told the doctor, "Evertime I stop taking the paxil, I get sick." He laughed and the implication was, "You are sick. So stop trying to quit your medicine."  I finally decided at some point, when I couldn't stop the antidepressants, that I must need them. I was set to take them for life. But now, I realize that I just need to take it really slowly and give myself a chance to adjust to each small taper. This website and others like it have given me hope.

Iam sorry your doc didnt believe you all the times you told them u got sick, neither did all of my docs.. =(

I dont know if its rare to get problems but every doc i talk to have no clue what im talking about, so sick really.. all i know is that this thing is true and that im much bnetter then i used to be..

i also have much allergis now withouyt the medicine, on the medicine i was fine

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and ive had the flu like for 5months now rofl .. hate it

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I think part of the problem is that not everyone experiences withdrawal sickness. I work with two different people who took an antidepressant for a while and then tapered off very quickly and had no problem. One of them took paxil and quit. The other tapered quickly off cymbalta with no problem. When I told my doctor that I thought my extreme allergies and other symptoms were the result of having tapered from 30 mg of celexa to 27 mg, she laughed.

 

I don't want to have to tell the people I work with that I am experiencing any problems due to withdrawing from an antidepressant because they won't understand. I remember a long, long time ago when I started taking my first anti-depressant, paxil. It was too strong and the side-effects were extreme. But everytime I tried to stop taking it or to take less of it, I noticed my allergies came raging back so badly that I felt like I had the flu. And then I would be an emotional mess, too. I told the doctor, "Evertime I stop taking the paxil, I get sick." He laughed and the implication was, "You are sick. So stop trying to quit your medicine."  I finally decided at some point, when I couldn't stop the antidepressants, that I must need them. I was set to take them for life. But now, I realize that I just need to take it really slowly and give myself a chance to adjust to each small taper. This website and others like it have given me hope.

I was reading this again today trying to find some meaning the title looked good to me. Two things. 

 

"The other tapered quickly off cymbalta with no problem."

I want a study on what is different about them and us.  WHY?!

I wonder what dose and what med they were on?  How long they were on it... tho I had a rotten time for years after a couple wks of prozac likely not too important to my case. 

What happened to these people a 6 months a year down the road did they take any other antidepressants then as for some withdrawal is delayed that long... were they taking any benzos when they quit ads so that covered a lot of the withdrawal... what else were they taking and did they increase the dose of whatever else to get thru withdrawal?  Did they booze it up for 4or 5 years smoke pot and end up back on Antidepressants later... did they turn to other illegal drugs?  There is a LOT! we do not know about these so called easy quitting with no withdrawal... I want to know.  As I find it so frigging hard to believe I am this much different from all those other people.  Or am I?  maybe not.  

There use to be a site called Effexoractivist and they had a ton of information I have yet to see any place else.  Including a study that showed 78% of people who went off effexor had withdrawal... so then I ask what of the 22 % who did not have withdrawal?  Do they fit at all in the group of questions I wrote above year after year the numbers change we hear all the time that is rare to have withdrawal...of any kind and if you do get it a couple wks dizzy ect and your done... really do you people believer that after what you are living.  I don't buy I just don't.  Sorry I can't produce anything to back up the 78% number but like a lot of sties that have too much to say about antidepressants damages that site was attacked repeatedly until it was just gone... that is not a coincidence. I doubt it is not the only one either.

 

 

" But everytime I tried to stop taking it or to take less of it, I noticed my allergies came raging back so badly that I felt like I had the flu. And then I would be an emotional mess, too. I told the doctor, "Evertime I stop taking the paxil, I get sick"

 

Before I quit taking effexor I believe I was in tolerance for a couple of years I was constantly sick...one infection after another.  I think this should be put out there to gps as a sign the drug has or is pooping out... I seen a ton of doctors none was aware this could happen. As for allergies we all know the antidepressants were created from antihistamines and have such properties... and affects on our bodies. Take it away and be sick. I can't believe you doctor saying that to you it is obvious he has not true understanding of these drugs.  I can only hope he takes them some day and finds out for himself...about withdrawal flu.  Yep I am turning that mean as nothing else works. 

 

Still wish you all  peace ..

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I feel as if these drugs have effectively neutered me-there are so many issues that need to be addressed by THE PEOPLE.  I feel in my case I was given psych meds and a diagnosis to invalidate the injustices I have lived thru.

 

At the beginning of the withdrawal from Klonopin, I swore I would do everything in my power to educate my community about the dangers of these drugs-instead I have found that no one believes a dam* thing I say because I'm *crazy*.

 

Another throw away person on the bottom of the food chain, where money and power are more important than life itself.

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I dont know were to post this but I really want to say this that I truly feel that we people who suffer from this are truly on our own with relatives, families etc because the society is for no help, really.. It´s like "we" are the people that will write history and are truly victims of these awful drugs, just the fact that no one knows when this will end is scary... really scary when it comes and go like this.. bleh

 

It feels just unbelievble that we are people exparing something that is quite new to the society.. I feel like ive been a huge test animal and now the goverment can see how the drugged worked on me and how bad i suffer from stop taking it..

thankyou your post has given me hope

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I feel as if these drugs have effectively neutered me-there are so many issues that need to be addressed by THE PEOPLE.  I feel in my case I was given psych meds and a diagnosis to invalidate the injustices I have lived thru.

 

At the beginning of the withdrawal from Klonopin, I swore I would do everything in my power to educate my community about the dangers of these drugs-instead I have found that no one believes a dam* thing I say because I'm *crazy*.

 

Another throw away person on the bottom of the food chain, where money and power are more important than life itself.

I think you have found some like company now so stick around.  Your time may not have come yet.  I was watching a tv show on sex and relationships the other night in bed... the question of antidepressants and sex came up ... a therapist was there giving all the wrong answers.  

Still people know nothing and still they are being fed lies and bs... so stick around... there is a lot to do yet.

 

I think being on sites like this for so long we tend to get the idea that a lot is known already in the general population about these drugs how could people not know what we talk about every single day... well this is how... they are still lied to.  I thought of getting up and calling the show dropping this site name and few experts in the field but I didn't... for no other reason than fatigue.  Another time I will.   

 

Keep learning all you can and keep this in mind from the bottom of the pile nobody is expecting you to ever know/learn anything... or speak a truth... as you heal I assume you are... and get a life again I hope you are... keep learning and one day it will be the right time for what you know and what you have learned to be applied. 

 

Also from the bottom there is no fear of falling everything has it's upside tho believe me I know life at the bottom have few perks  you have to look for them... keep going and learning. 

I wish you peace

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Junglechicken

This is a complete 180 for me.

 

Don't laugh, but I used to BE one of those society people in the UK.

 

I have no idea where I fit in now, no idea at all.

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I think being on sites like this for so long we tend to get the idea that a lot is known already in the general population about these drugs how could people not know what we talk about every single day... well this is how... they are still lied to. 

 

Exactly! I am so surprised how little is known about this. I try to read medical articles about drugs. And so much that is left out about side effects, wd, Take this pill to alleviate that side effect and so on. I can't believe how the health care system works. It's all about drugs! So reductionistic. 

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fema4psychiatrists

I have been neutered too. I feel the same as the posts i've read. glad im not just "over-miserable". I have made a blog called pssdblog about the steralising the mentally ill warning. I put a poem on there too. Thank you for whoev'er made this site.

 

It does feel like a brick wall warning people etc. we deserve justice for ourselves more than anything. I don't believe I deserve to live this intentional sabatage. anyway i still feel theres a large chunk of profits i can individually take out of this evils pockets.

 

stick around people things can happen, although it seems uphill. willpower over the illusion!

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RachelE

I have completely lost faith in the medical profession and don't intend to take any more drugs than the one very low dose blood pressure med I'm on. My depression was caused by Lipitor, and afterward I suffered a lung infection that was never diagnosed until I saw an ad on TV warning people that taking Pristiq and aspirin together could cause excessive bleeding.  The lung specialist I saw never heard of Pristiq and decided that I had an exotic form of TB. Right. (What I had was blood dripping down the back of my throat and into my lungs and stomach all day long. I was throwing up blood and coughing it up, too.)  I've read of a number of people, diagnosed with cancer, who refused treatment and went on to live many more healthy years than expected. Modern medicine is no better than ancient witchcraft and often more harmful, IMO.

 

I've also noticed that many people on this forum are brighter and more talented than the average, and that alone sets us apart. See my old thread: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1802-what-we-have-in-common-aside-from-ads/

Yes, and their "tests" for "mental illnesses" are often comparable to tests for witches that they had in the Middle Ages and Salem witch trials. Trial by Water: throw the person into a large body of water. If she swims she's a witch and must be hanged or burned. If she drowns she must be innocent but dead. Or sticking someone's hand into boiling water. If the hand recovers sufficiently with no serious infection you're guilty. Or maybe the other way around.... I guess it depends on whose kingdom you're in. Ha ha!

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and ive had the flu like for 5months now rofl .. hate it

I also have allergies and flu-like symptoms. We're not alone! Have also become more susceptible to infections like strep.

 

Maybe 100-200 of us on this site should get together and form our own colony!  :lol:

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