btdt Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 thanks for your answers. I cant focus to write. I have EXTREME dizziness and fatigue recently beyond the other symptoms. I feel like I have a mountain in my head Ιt s very unbearable!!!!!!!!!!Can benzos cause these symptoms? I dont know what to do. I am afraid I have severe brain damage. this is more a withdrawal symptoms from the paxil you took it is likely the xanax is helping some with the wd from paxil Yes wd from paxil can cause this and every other symptoms you have posted on this page. So can a lot of other antidepressants ...it is common tho it feels ungodly and one would imagine if any person felt this there would be changes made at the top and every one in the world would know about it. Sadly that is not the case in this situation it is mostly "unknown" except by the people who have it... or so it seems. Your doctor this one: "Today I went to a psychiatrist in the hospital and he later said to my father that PSSD and especially genital anesthesia is probably a delusionalthought...Ιn other words I am psychotic.." Is proof that some doctors don't know a thing about this ...not ONE thing. PSSD and Genital anesthesia are just TWO of the many symptoms of withdrawal and in my opinion they are more well known than most other symptoms... if he does not know these two he likely knows NOTHING about wd... STAY AWAY FROM HIM so he can't hurt you more than you are already. I wish you peace WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 I am curious Ricardo did you read the book called " the perfect crime" I find it unlikely as you said you had problems reading the page and I know it to be a difficult book ... when the eyeballs refuse to co operate... still I am curious if you read it. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
ricardo7 Posted February 2, 2015 Author Share Posted February 2, 2015 Νο, Βtdt, I have not read the book - I cant read. I took this title because they killed me and now nobody Knows...nobody cares. Ι am trapped... I am thinking to reinstate , I know its crazy but my life at this moment is in real danger. I feel none sense works in my body. What is your opinion? 4 times on SSRI'S in the past, I have never had such serious problems. Septemper 2013-November 2013: Paxil (60mg) After discontinuation (cold turkey):anhedonia, severe emotional anesthisia, severe PSSD. xanax: daily use for 4.5 years at doses 0.5 mg -1.5mg. taper september 2014 from 1.5mg. current dose: 0.87,5 mg.(8AM, 2PM, 8PM, 00-01AM) Link to comment
btdt Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 I don't have an opinion worth giving really it has been my stance that I cannot go thru withdrawal again ... I barely survived the first round. I know others say going back on and doing a slow taper off has worked for them and I did attempt that.. it did not work for me ...made me way too ill. I felt immediately poisoned. I know there are some of us who reach a state of hyper sensitivity where most drugs just make us worse so we really have not choice in the matter of re instating it can't be done for some of us. Are you one of those people I don't know I would not care to guess. Study on cold turkey is insufficient to make any claims as to the effects and treatment of it... not body has studied how to heal this that I have seen. It could go either way... let me look at your history... that is a high dose of paxil..for one thing 60mg.. is a lot... you were on it just over a year... long for that dose I would say... I can't imagine why your does would be so high after only a year on.... I think if you want to get the best guesses on this you need to fill in the blanks in your history what were the other four drugs you took the dose and how long were you on them... that information is imperative... first off ... second from what i have seen going back on meds after being off this long could show your hypersensitive to them now... if you are you have no choice but to stay off... if not you may get some relief but it may take some time.. or it may make you worse... I don't think there is a human alive today who could tell you which way it would go... as they say here it is a crap shoot a gamble. nobody knows. Withdrawal can make us all feel like we are crazy crazier even then all the times before or after taking drugs... that is common ...often we feel out life is in danger when it is not truly... if it is seek outside help or take a look in the self help for ways to sooth yourself... this i too is part of surviving wd... we have to manage ourselves and the self help section has our best plans for doing so ... what has worked for others will be found there... deep relaxation is one I use a lot still found here for free and a good place to start if you have not stocked up on tools for your tool box yet. https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=deep%20relaxation%20utube While I don't know your entire life my knee jerk response to starting on meds again after a year of is no don't do it...but only you know what your feeling and how much you can take... only you can decide. Know too that the more you used these sorts of drugs going on and off the more apt you are to have wd... further drug use even if it worked would eventually have you facing wd again but at least you would know to taper next time.. when your ready if RI worked... only you know if you truly have to make a change now or not. Sorry but it is the bottom line...filling in the gaps in your history would help a lot in further advice as it truly does make a huge difference where you have been with these drugs. I wish you peace WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
ricardo7 Posted February 27, 2015 Author Share Posted February 27, 2015 I am convinced there is no end in my case... My brain cannot fix this damage. No sense works in my body - is dead. I feel nothing except from dizziness and fatigue. It' s unbeliavable... This thing is 1.000.000 times worse than cancer and Aids together. Its not a medical problem, it's an entirely different life, living without emotions, without sexyality. And all this from one tiny white pill. My God... I can' t live like this ..no way. Congratulations to all psychiatrists around the world. My heartiest congratulations. btdt , unfortunately, I cant find the energy and motivation to reply in your comment, I hope to reply an other time. But thank you very much. Υου're all lovely people here. 4 times on SSRI'S in the past, I have never had such serious problems. Septemper 2013-November 2013: Paxil (60mg) After discontinuation (cold turkey):anhedonia, severe emotional anesthisia, severe PSSD. xanax: daily use for 4.5 years at doses 0.5 mg -1.5mg. taper september 2014 from 1.5mg. current dose: 0.87,5 mg.(8AM, 2PM, 8PM, 00-01AM) Link to comment
Pugknows Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 ((((Ricardo)))) I feel just like you. Full of brain fog, dizziness, anxiety and panic attacks, insomnia, cortisol surges and head whooshing all day, deep depression, non functional, full of despair that this is all permanent. IT IS NOT PERMANENT. This can all go away for you tomorrow. That's why you can't give up. Give in to the process. Don't give up. You will make it to the other side. January 2012 - Prescribed 900mg gabapentin and 30mg Norco for lower lumber spinal stenosis pain. September 2013 - Spinal fusion surgery, 6 levels. Hospital ramped up meds 1500mg gabapentin, 100mg Norco, 80mg Oxycontin, 25mg Fentanyl patch. January 2014 - Sever nausea daily and with back pain every 4 hours. 2 trips to ER. First endoscopy found ulcer. Treated with Sucralfate and PPI. Second endo in May found no ulcers. Doctors said it was the opiates causing the nausea. CT'd Oxycontin, Fentanyl patch. July 2014 - Lost 48 lbs. due to not eating because of severe nausea. GP prescribed Prozac 20mg and Ativan 2mg prn. Tried for 4 days, quit. Two week followup GP said keep taking Prozac. 4 days, quit again. Ativan taken rarely prn for anxiety and appetite. August 2014 - Went to detox. Off opiates. Still nauseous, helmet head, drugged feeling. Doctor CT'd gabapentin. Ended up in ER. Found 2 gallstones. Gabapentin reinstated at 900mg. Tried botched up and down taper to get off Gabapentin. No tapering advice from doctor. Said to just CT again. September 2014 - Coded on table during gallbladder surgery. Developed liver biloma due to CPR by doctor. Had bile bulb inserted for 2 wks to drain. October 2014 - Gallbladder removed. Still nauseous, 3am cortisol surging, drugged helmet head, vertigo, breathlessness, whooshing head, heart palps. November 8th, 2014 - CT'd gabapentin suggested by family and 4 different doctors. Was told no withdrawal is associated with gabapentin. Have been in hell ever since. No windows, just one big tsunami every day with same symptoms for 4 months. December 26, 2014 - Found SA. At least I know I'm not insane. My family thinks I'm doing this to myself. Akathesia has become unbearable. March 10, 2015 - In absolute daily hell with no relief. Currently taking magnesium 200mg before bedtime. Link to comment
direstraits Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 I also took several SSRI,SNRI over years-never felt like I do after paxil-SHOULD BE BANNED sorry for your suffering went on Prozac 1994-99,60mg.poopout ct back on 2001-2002,prozac weekly 2002,not working,Effexor 75 mg.?2003-mar.2004 gaining weight 8wk. taper,wellbutrin 150 mg.mar. -may 2004 ctmedfree til july 2005 back to Prozac gaining weight again,back on wellbutrin jan.2006150-300 mg.bad constipation.also was taking aygestin(hormone)perimenopausal irregular bleeding.back on Prozac around sept,?2006,hysterectomy jan30.2007(adenomyosis)off&on Prozac til 2009,citalopram about 1 mo, April 2010 no effect,Effexor again may -mar, 2011.ct,Prozac aug,-dec, 2011 &sept-nov 2012,paroxetine oct,23 2013-may 4 2014 20 mgs.tapered 6 wks.-failed RI in Oct.2014-in protracted WD.started 10 mgs. Fluoxetine May 25 2021 .Stopped fluoxetine May 2022 at 5 mgs. Link to comment
btdt Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Ηello everyone. I have severe anhedonia, emotional anesthesia, severe PSSD, extremelly fatique and dizziness due to cold turkey of paxil(60mg!!). I tοοκ it for 6 weeks and I am free 8 months now. The issue is that I am on benzo (xanax) 3 years(!) in doses 1 - 1,5 mg and now I am on hell in other words :( because I have dependence and tolerance (maybe) to xanax. Ι was never warned that ssri will cause me so terrible side effects such as anhedonia and PSSD. Therefore, I was concentrated to cut the xanax gradually this year. Now I have so many nightmares and nobody doctor believes me, because, as you Know very well, all these situations aren't recognizable. Also I am very confused because I don't Know if it is W/D or adverse reaction. Although I got a huge dose, I Think 6 weeks is a short exposure to develop W/D. I don't have waves and windows. Every day is the same.I keep thinking that is permanent and I have intense suicidal thoughts. It' so unbearable ... I feel so EMPTY. I can't feel love even for my parents and I haven't substantial support because they ALL think that I am simply depressed. Ιt's a sick joce....Do you think that I must taper the xanax now? My brain is in chaos and I am afraid for W/D from xanax now, but maybe I have not other choice. Keep in mind that I had not these effects (anhedonia, emotional blunting,PSSD) 2.5 years while I was ONLY on xanax. Any advise would be highly appreciated! Sorry for my bad English. Greetings ". Keep in mind that I had not these effects(anhedonia, emotional blunting,PSSD) 2.5 years while I was ONLY on xanax." As is often the case the devil is in the details. I think I found it in the small print sorry for missing it before. "4 times on SSRI'S in the past, I have never had such serious problems. Septemper 2013-November 2013: Paxil (60mg) After discontinuation (cold turkey):anhedonia, severe emotional anesthisia, severe PSSD. xanax: daily use for 3.5 years at doses 0.5 mg -1.5mg. current dose: 1.5 mg." 4 times on SSRI's in the past... we need that history here dates name of drug doses taken and time on each drug. I am not sure why you started taking the xanax but chances are quite good it had something to do with being on or coming off one of those other ssri drugs. That is why they are so important. Often in the past I have been given a benzo to treat the side effects or the withdrawal from an ssri drug. I know how common it is for doctors to give them for these reasons. Having been on ssri drugs in the past I think sets people up to have more issues when you start another ssri... one is kindling which I don't understand well even yet but Alto can tell you about it... another is hypersensitivity which I know all about. When effexor pooped out on me causing symptoms a doctor tried to switch me to cymbalta but my body had had enough and would not take any more crap... I tried going back on effexor ... that would not work either... I tried low dose of effexor my body answered NO! I tried other drugs a neurologist thought may help me mirapex lyrica some others.... to all these drugs my body said a resounding NO! When pooped out was started I was given clonidine for sweating and blood pressure meds for blood pressure spikes... this caused my bp to go too low when it dropped... I was given proton pump inhibitor drugs to treat the gastric issue. I had a long term script for lorazapam... I quit all those drugs on the same day... Nov 18 2007 I had reached the end of my body accepting drugs after 18 years... but wait... long ago before all this I had a reaction to two wks of taking prozac that lasted well into 2 years stopped only by taking amitriptyline..another AD different type with strong side effects... . given at a pain clinic to where I went because of pain and sleeplessness. This is how I got trapped... and stayed trapped for years... but eventually our bodies say no more. So bad reactions can last years point a...but this was not your first dance with an ssir and I will bet dollars to donuts their use is what has brought you to where you are today. I think adding the other ssri use to you profile is a very important thing to do. Since your still taking a benzo and your body had not rejected it... likely the wd is being eased in some way by having the benzo. I know having a benzo helped me with wd symptoms in the past when I was in wd and did not know that is what I was treating... long ago in my own dance.. One more thing for me last attempt to take a benzo June 2008 cured me of ever taking one again... a 3 day paradoxical reaction where I could not and did not sit still for 3 days. Knowing the rest of your ssir story would make a big difference in my mind at least as to what to call this even if we can't say exactly what you can expect... knowing what is causing it may help you in how you think about it. I know benzos can cause major problems too but having been on the ssri previously and symptoms of ssri wd showing up when you were on xanax ... makes complete sense to me... having thing get worse by taking paxil... makes sense too. Lets just say for the sake of my idea here that you were suffering from delayed withdrawal..( it started some time after you went off the ssri something that happens a lot and we never relate our symptoms to wd from the drug as it could have been wks or months ago that we stopped the ssri) Delayed withdrawal is a trickster that is difficult to figure out... I have seen many who had wd after wks or months after stopping an ssri... one of the trickier bits of wd... so your already in wd from ads ...start a benzo to help treat the wd... take another ssir... could very well cause everything you say. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 I know doctors don't get this I tried to get help from them for 18 years... it is not new to me but there use to be nothing to help me convince them... and I don't think even one of them ever believe anything that I said... or even heard me half the time. Your not in that position now thanks to the people who came before you... there are some things you can take to your doctors... here are couple I just copied from Altos recent posts. Fava, 2015 Withdrawal Symptoms after Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor Discontinua... 23 February 2015 - 11:39 AM Psychother Psychosom 2015;84:72-81(DOI:10.1159/000370338)Withdrawal Symptoms after Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor Discontinuation: A Systematic ReviewFava G.A.a, b · Gatti A.a · Belaise C.a · Guidi J.a · Offidani E.c Abstract at http://www.karger.co...FullText/370338 Fulltext PDF (116 Kb) Background: Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRI) are widely used in medical practice. They have been associated with a broad range of symptoms, whose clinical meaning has not been fully appreciated. Methods: The PRISMA guidelines were followed to conduct a systematic review of the literature. Titles, abstracts, and topics were searched using the following terms: ‘withdrawal symptoms' OR ‘withdrawal syndrome' OR ‘discontinuation syndrome' OR ‘discontinuation symptoms', AND ‘SSRI' OR ‘serotonin' OR ‘antidepressant' OR ‘paroxetine' OR ‘fluoxetine' OR ‘sertraline' OR ‘fluvoxamine' OR ‘citalopram' OR ‘escitalopram'. The electronic research literature databases included CINAHL, the Cochrane Library, PubMed and Web-of-Science from inception of each database to July 2014. Results: There were 15 randomized controlled studies, 4 open trials, 4 retrospective investigations, and 38 case reports. The prevalence of the syndrome was variable, and its estimation was hindered by a lack of case identification in many studies. Symptoms typically occur within a few days from drug discontinuation and last a few weeks, also with gradual tapering. However, many variations are possible, including late onset and/or longer persistence of disturbances. Symptoms may be easily misidentified as signs of impending relapse. Conclusions: Clinicians need to add SSRI to the list of drugs potentially inducing withdrawal symptoms upon discontinuation, together with benzodiazepines, barbiturates, and other psychotropic drugs. The term ‘discontinuation syndrome' that is currently used minimizes the potential vulnerabilities induced by SSRI and should be replaced by ‘withdrawal syndrome'. Chouinard, 2015 New Classification of Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor Withdrawal 23 February 2015 - 11:22 AM Psychother Psychosom 2015;84:63-71(DOI:10.1159/000371865)New Classification of Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor WithdrawalChouinard G.a, b · Chouinard V.-A.c Abstract at http://www.karger.co...FullText/371865 Fulltext PDF (117 Kb) Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) are widely used in clinical practice, and have advanced the treatment of depression and other mental disorders. However, more studies are needed on the effects of decreasing and discontinuing these medications after their long-term use [1]. Withdrawal symptoms may occur with all SSRIs and serotonin-noradrenaline reuptake inhibitors (SNRIs) [1], similarly to other CNS drugs, including benzodiazepines [2,3,4] and antipsychotics [5,6]. Withdrawal from SSRIs and other CNS drugs produces psychiatric symptoms that can be confounded with true relapse or recurrence of the original illness [1,2,7]. When discontinuing or decreasing SSRIs, withdrawal symptoms must be identified to avoid prolonging treatment or giving unnecessarily high doses [6,8]. Different types of syndromes have been described with the withdrawal from SSRIs and other CNS drug classes, including benzodiazepines, antipsychotics, antidepressants, opiates, barbiturates, and alcohol: (1) new withdrawal symptoms (classic withdrawal symptoms from CNS drugs) [1,4,5,6,9,10,11,12], (2) rebound [2,6,9,13,14,15,16], and (3) persistent postwithdrawal disorders [7,17,18] (table 1). These types of withdrawal need to be differentiated from relapse and recurrence of the original illness..... Andrews, 2015 Is serotonin an upper or a downer? The evolution of the serotonergic syst...19 February 2015 - 11:41 AM I hope you use them to enlighten your doctors as it helps to know all those who came before you did no suffer for nothing that their suffering has helped you. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 How did you come up with the title of the "The Perfect Crime" for you post? There happens to be a book about damaged caused by drugs with the same title.... I find it odd you hit on and never said a word about how you came to this title. What is the crime and what is perfect about it? WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Petunia Posted March 3, 2015 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted March 3, 2015 I am convinced there is no end in my case... My brain cannot fix this damage. This is not true, with each day that passes, you are recovering. Most of us go through a stage of thinking we are permanently damaged, but then start to get better. Hang in there ricardo, if you don't have the energy to write, can you read a little? If you can, read through our recovery section: Recovery from withdrawal success stories I'm not a doctor. My comments are not medical advise. These are my opinions based on my own experience and what I've learned. Please discuss your situation with a medical practitioner who has knowledge of tapering and withdrawal...if you are lucky enough to find one. My Introduction Thread Full Drug and Withdrawal History Brief Summary Several SSRIs for 13 years starting 1997 (for mild to moderate partly situational anxiety) Xanax PRN ~ Various other drugs over the years for side effects 2 month 'taper' off Lexapro 2010 Short acute withdrawal, followed by 2 -3 months of improvement then delayed protracted withdrawal DX ADHD followed by several years of stimulants and other drugs trying to manage increasing symptoms Failed reinstatement of Lexapro and trial of Prozac (became suicidal) May 2013 Found SA, learned about withdrawal, stopped taking drugs...healing begins. Protracted withdrawal, with a very sensitized nervous system, slowly recovering as time passes Supplements which have helped: Vitamin C, Magnesium, Taurine Bad reactions: Many supplements but mostly fish oil and Vitamin D June 2016 - Started daily juicing, mostly vegetables and lots of greens. Aug 2016 - Oct 2016 Best window ever, felt almost completely recovered Oct 2016 -Symptoms returned - bad days and less bad days. April 2018 - No windows, but significant improvement, it feels like permanent full recovery is close. VIDEO: Where did the chemical imbalance theory come from? VIDEO: How are psychiatric diagnoses made? VIDEO: Why do psychiatric drugs have withdrawal syndromes? VIDEO: Can psychiatric drugs cause long-lasting negative effects? VIDEO: Dr. Claire Weekes Link to comment
ricardo7 Posted March 26, 2015 Author Share Posted March 26, 2015 Does anybody else have EXTREME dizziness 24/7? 4 times on SSRI'S in the past, I have never had such serious problems. Septemper 2013-November 2013: Paxil (60mg) After discontinuation (cold turkey):anhedonia, severe emotional anesthisia, severe PSSD. xanax: daily use for 4.5 years at doses 0.5 mg -1.5mg. taper september 2014 from 1.5mg. current dose: 0.87,5 mg.(8AM, 2PM, 8PM, 00-01AM) Link to comment
Pugknows Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 I used to be extremely dizzy 24/7 when I was on the drug and at the beginning of my CT fiasco, Ricardo. It's gone for the most part after 4.5 months. It sometimes cycles back once in awhile, but for short periods and not as intense. Hang in there. January 2012 - Prescribed 900mg gabapentin and 30mg Norco for lower lumber spinal stenosis pain. September 2013 - Spinal fusion surgery, 6 levels. Hospital ramped up meds 1500mg gabapentin, 100mg Norco, 80mg Oxycontin, 25mg Fentanyl patch. January 2014 - Sever nausea daily and with back pain every 4 hours. 2 trips to ER. First endoscopy found ulcer. Treated with Sucralfate and PPI. Second endo in May found no ulcers. Doctors said it was the opiates causing the nausea. CT'd Oxycontin, Fentanyl patch. July 2014 - Lost 48 lbs. due to not eating because of severe nausea. GP prescribed Prozac 20mg and Ativan 2mg prn. Tried for 4 days, quit. Two week followup GP said keep taking Prozac. 4 days, quit again. Ativan taken rarely prn for anxiety and appetite. August 2014 - Went to detox. Off opiates. Still nauseous, helmet head, drugged feeling. Doctor CT'd gabapentin. Ended up in ER. Found 2 gallstones. Gabapentin reinstated at 900mg. Tried botched up and down taper to get off Gabapentin. No tapering advice from doctor. Said to just CT again. September 2014 - Coded on table during gallbladder surgery. Developed liver biloma due to CPR by doctor. Had bile bulb inserted for 2 wks to drain. October 2014 - Gallbladder removed. Still nauseous, 3am cortisol surging, drugged helmet head, vertigo, breathlessness, whooshing head, heart palps. November 8th, 2014 - CT'd gabapentin suggested by family and 4 different doctors. Was told no withdrawal is associated with gabapentin. Have been in hell ever since. No windows, just one big tsunami every day with same symptoms for 4 months. December 26, 2014 - Found SA. At least I know I'm not insane. My family thinks I'm doing this to myself. Akathesia has become unbearable. March 10, 2015 - In absolute daily hell with no relief. Currently taking magnesium 200mg before bedtime. Link to comment
ricardo7 Posted May 4, 2015 Author Share Posted May 4, 2015 New symptom: irregular heart palms, arrythmia. IT'S THE MOST FRIGHTENING of all. Does anybody else have this? i visited the hospital and they told me -after cardiogram- I dont have problem with my heart. But I read its dangerous many times Ι have pauses in heart rhythym. I am very scared, I think it is the end... 4 times on SSRI'S in the past, I have never had such serious problems. Septemper 2013-November 2013: Paxil (60mg) After discontinuation (cold turkey):anhedonia, severe emotional anesthisia, severe PSSD. xanax: daily use for 4.5 years at doses 0.5 mg -1.5mg. taper september 2014 from 1.5mg. current dose: 0.87,5 mg.(8AM, 2PM, 8PM, 00-01AM) Link to comment
ricardo7 Posted May 4, 2015 Author Share Posted May 4, 2015 btdt , you re right. Ι did have delayed w/d from previous use of SSRI's poisons. But I didn't know anything. My ''doctor" never informed me...However I didn't have so serious problems , such as anhedonia, PSSD etc. and for this reason I never thought the culprit was the poison. I had only anxiety ,bit brain fog, light depression, light dizziness and , because I was thinking it had to do with my original problem, I took again the ssri. The fifth time was catastrophic. My biggest mistake in my life...It was only "risks of SSRI" at google...so stupid my God. Now, I am terrified from this irregular heart beat, I don't Know which is the cause. the cardiologist said it is from stress but I can't trust doctors anymore. Αlso, I don't know if it is a w/d symptom. Ιt would help if someone told me had this symptom. btdt, sorry for the delayed replies. I have problem with English and it is difficult to write in this situation. ps: Τhe title "perfect crime" is not related with the book you mentioned , btdt. I choosed this title because we have trapped with any possible way and the psychiatrists -killers never assume their responsibilities. 4 times on SSRI'S in the past, I have never had such serious problems. Septemper 2013-November 2013: Paxil (60mg) After discontinuation (cold turkey):anhedonia, severe emotional anesthisia, severe PSSD. xanax: daily use for 4.5 years at doses 0.5 mg -1.5mg. taper september 2014 from 1.5mg. current dose: 0.87,5 mg.(8AM, 2PM, 8PM, 00-01AM) Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted May 4, 2015 Administrator Share Posted May 4, 2015 Ricardo, did we talk about this before: Fish oil and magnesium supplements, see http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/36-king-of-supplements-omega-3-fatty-acids-fish-oil/http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1300-magnesium-natures-calcium-channel-blocker/ also see Taurine for heart arrhythmia This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
ricardo7 Posted May 4, 2015 Author Share Posted May 4, 2015 Αlto, I am taking fish oil, magnesium and folic acid for about 2 months. I feel no difference. Thank you for the link for Taurine -it's interesting. 4 times on SSRI'S in the past, I have never had such serious problems. Septemper 2013-November 2013: Paxil (60mg) After discontinuation (cold turkey):anhedonia, severe emotional anesthisia, severe PSSD. xanax: daily use for 4.5 years at doses 0.5 mg -1.5mg. taper september 2014 from 1.5mg. current dose: 0.87,5 mg.(8AM, 2PM, 8PM, 00-01AM) Link to comment
bluebalu86 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Hi Ricardo I'm in a similar situation as you. Also, we're "neighbors" - I'm from Bulgaria. Just wanted to stop by your thread to wish you a lot of luck in your recovery. I suffer from depression, anxiety, pure-o ocd, and panic attacks since 2004. Been on multiple different psychiatric drugs since 2006. Never had a significant WD problem before, only brain zaps for a month and then I'd be fine...............Been on Cipralex (escitalopram) 15 mg and Fluanxol (flupentixol) 1 mg since Sep 2014. Stopped taking the Cipralex after a fast 20-day taper.Took the last 5 mg Cipralex on Feb 5th, 2015. Then took Seroxat (paroxetine) 10 mg for a week, and stopped it too. Severe WD started suddenly on Feb 16th. RI 5 mg Cipralex on Feb 18th, 2015. RI worked and was relatively stable for a while................April 7 - decreased Fluanxol from 1 mg to 0.5 mg and took it at this dose for a week. - BIG MISTAKE; April 13 - WD starts creeping in; April 14 - RI full dose of Fluanxol 1 mg => severe muscle twitching and jerking when trying to relax and fall asleep, overwhelming sense of doom, dread, terror, and horror, insomnia, hoping to stabilize.Tried doing a 10% cut off Fluanxol in the end of May for a few days, but quickly updosed to full dose because the twitching returned.Experiencing waves and windows in the following months.Unsuccessful brief taper attempt of Fluanxol by 5% on November 1st. Symptoms hit the next day. Too scared to continue tapering, reinstate full dose.Severe crash in November after stupidly trying a barbiturate on November 9th. Grave mistake. Sense of unshakable inescapable internal torture, like my soul is in hell being tortured, terror/horror/dread/doom (probably akathisia?) that gets especially bad when trying to relax and fall asleep, muscles twitch, jerk and move on their own, shaking, insomnia, can't eat, confusion, disorientation, brain not working normally. Never felt so bad in my entire life. Never experiment with other meds while in WD! Praying to God I stabilize and get back to my baseline.December - things getting even worse. January - unbearable suffering Link to comment
ricardo7 Posted May 4, 2015 Author Share Posted May 4, 2015 thanks a lot bluebalu! I wish you the best. We need a miracle.. Ιt's so cruel 4 times on SSRI'S in the past, I have never had such serious problems. Septemper 2013-November 2013: Paxil (60mg) After discontinuation (cold turkey):anhedonia, severe emotional anesthisia, severe PSSD. xanax: daily use for 4.5 years at doses 0.5 mg -1.5mg. taper september 2014 from 1.5mg. current dose: 0.87,5 mg.(8AM, 2PM, 8PM, 00-01AM) Link to comment
LucaDiProspero Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Same here...during my life I've gone through many symptoms caused by drugs: anxiety, insomnia, headaches, fatigue, depression etc. but the lack of emotions/feelings/desires is by the far the worst thing. What are we without feelings? I remember the movie AI...that's what I'm now: a poor robot without a heart. I don't need a world around me if I can't feel and enjoy it; why would I have to go out, travel, meet people if I'm empty inside? Movies, songs, poetry, drama, every single thing created by human beings should arouses emotions.I mean, that's why we are here, oh god...can i still call myself a human being? I'm nothing now...life is meaningless without feeling. March 2010/ October 2010: Sereupin 30mg a day, EN 15 drops a day October 2010/ 1st November 2014: Cipralex 50mg a day (tapered to 40mg a day in August 2013), EN 15 drops a day (switched to Lexotan 15 drops a day in September 2014) Started Risperdal 1mg a day on the 1st November 2014. Stopped Risperdal on the 23 November 2014 because that day, after a short mental crysis, I suddenly lost all my emotions,desires,motivation and they not come back yet. Stopped Cipralex C/T in December 2014. Added, tapered and stopped other drugs during the following months (also a voluntary hospitalization in January 2015 for a suicide attempt)...no changes yet. I'm med free from 3rd December 2015 Link to comment
bluebalu86 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Luca, you're not a robot, you're still you - a human being and you will get your old self back as time and healing come your way. Your old personality is still there, underneath your suffering. You have lost access to it, but it is there and always will be. The soul, nothing in the universe can destroy it. You have to believe that and hold on to that. Right now we have to focus on surviving day by day - time will do the rest. The body heals, and the brain heals too. We will recover. I suffer from depression, anxiety, pure-o ocd, and panic attacks since 2004. Been on multiple different psychiatric drugs since 2006. Never had a significant WD problem before, only brain zaps for a month and then I'd be fine...............Been on Cipralex (escitalopram) 15 mg and Fluanxol (flupentixol) 1 mg since Sep 2014. Stopped taking the Cipralex after a fast 20-day taper.Took the last 5 mg Cipralex on Feb 5th, 2015. Then took Seroxat (paroxetine) 10 mg for a week, and stopped it too. Severe WD started suddenly on Feb 16th. RI 5 mg Cipralex on Feb 18th, 2015. RI worked and was relatively stable for a while................April 7 - decreased Fluanxol from 1 mg to 0.5 mg and took it at this dose for a week. - BIG MISTAKE; April 13 - WD starts creeping in; April 14 - RI full dose of Fluanxol 1 mg => severe muscle twitching and jerking when trying to relax and fall asleep, overwhelming sense of doom, dread, terror, and horror, insomnia, hoping to stabilize.Tried doing a 10% cut off Fluanxol in the end of May for a few days, but quickly updosed to full dose because the twitching returned.Experiencing waves and windows in the following months.Unsuccessful brief taper attempt of Fluanxol by 5% on November 1st. Symptoms hit the next day. Too scared to continue tapering, reinstate full dose.Severe crash in November after stupidly trying a barbiturate on November 9th. Grave mistake. Sense of unshakable inescapable internal torture, like my soul is in hell being tortured, terror/horror/dread/doom (probably akathisia?) that gets especially bad when trying to relax and fall asleep, muscles twitch, jerk and move on their own, shaking, insomnia, can't eat, confusion, disorientation, brain not working normally. Never felt so bad in my entire life. Never experiment with other meds while in WD! Praying to God I stabilize and get back to my baseline.December - things getting even worse. January - unbearable suffering Link to comment
LucaDiProspero Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Bluebalu thank you, I need big support here...I really hope to be strong enough to overcome this mess; what is keeping me alive is the thought that if one day I have my emotions back I will enjoy every single moment and every detail of my life. All will be different, I swear. It will be a new birth. March 2010/ October 2010: Sereupin 30mg a day, EN 15 drops a day October 2010/ 1st November 2014: Cipralex 50mg a day (tapered to 40mg a day in August 2013), EN 15 drops a day (switched to Lexotan 15 drops a day in September 2014) Started Risperdal 1mg a day on the 1st November 2014. Stopped Risperdal on the 23 November 2014 because that day, after a short mental crysis, I suddenly lost all my emotions,desires,motivation and they not come back yet. Stopped Cipralex C/T in December 2014. Added, tapered and stopped other drugs during the following months (also a voluntary hospitalization in January 2015 for a suicide attempt)...no changes yet. I'm med free from 3rd December 2015 Link to comment
ricardo7 Posted May 4, 2015 Author Share Posted May 4, 2015 LucaDiProspero, it's the only thought I have too. I would be the happiest person in the world If I have my emotions back one day...It would be a second life. Ι want SO much to feel love again for my favourite niece:( 4 times on SSRI'S in the past, I have never had such serious problems. Septemper 2013-November 2013: Paxil (60mg) After discontinuation (cold turkey):anhedonia, severe emotional anesthisia, severe PSSD. xanax: daily use for 4.5 years at doses 0.5 mg -1.5mg. taper september 2014 from 1.5mg. current dose: 0.87,5 mg.(8AM, 2PM, 8PM, 00-01AM) Link to comment
ricardo7 Posted May 5, 2015 Author Share Posted May 5, 2015 I read that the arrythmia from psychotropic drugs can be fatal. I am totally scared now , i have faint feeling 4 times on SSRI'S in the past, I have never had such serious problems. Septemper 2013-November 2013: Paxil (60mg) After discontinuation (cold turkey):anhedonia, severe emotional anesthisia, severe PSSD. xanax: daily use for 4.5 years at doses 0.5 mg -1.5mg. taper september 2014 from 1.5mg. current dose: 0.87,5 mg.(8AM, 2PM, 8PM, 00-01AM) Link to comment
btdt Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 If you have irregular heat beats the doctor can do some testing to check your heart. I had my heart checked I had an EMG a stress test and an ultra sound. ... all was ok I guess as nothing was ever done to help me except to put me on blood pressure meds which sooner or later would cause my heart bp to go way too low so that was stopped too. It is always good to be checked if you have free health care and if you are very worried about it. At the end of the day I started this 7+ years ago and tho my heart did some backflips I am still here... I am not saying it is the same with you I am not a doctor but it may be the same. The only way you will know you are ok for sure is to see a doctor and have the testing done. It will at least ease your mind if nothing else. I wish you peace WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
ricardo7 Posted May 26, 2015 Author Share Posted May 26, 2015 I am sure I have permanent damage especially from xanax... I am suffering like crazy. My dizziness is so extreme, Ι can't get out of bed Recovery is a joke for me...Ι don't have many options... 4 times on SSRI'S in the past, I have never had such serious problems. Septemper 2013-November 2013: Paxil (60mg) After discontinuation (cold turkey):anhedonia, severe emotional anesthisia, severe PSSD. xanax: daily use for 4.5 years at doses 0.5 mg -1.5mg. taper september 2014 from 1.5mg. current dose: 0.87,5 mg.(8AM, 2PM, 8PM, 00-01AM) Link to comment
btdt Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Recovery is a joke for most of us we become the joke... we just feel sicker than any other time in our lives I truly thought I was dying for the longest time I thought nobody knows what is wrong with me yet but one day when I die from this they will search better and find out what was making me so sick all of the time...This is withdrawal and that word does not due the experience justice as it is so horrendous we need a new word one that point to some understanding about the biology of this situation but we don't have it and we can't seem to get it. If you read on this site you will learn people are trying really hard to change this WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
ricardo7 Posted May 27, 2015 Author Share Posted May 27, 2015 btdt, withdrawal is unclear word -at least in my case. I mean I lost all my emotions and my sexuality while on Paxil...I prefer the term "side effects". My big problem though is xanax. I can't find a way in my mind how it is possible to detox from xanax after 4.5 years of daily use, when I had a so adverse reaction to Paxil 1.5 year ago. I have managed to reduce the dose at .87,5 mg , but I suffer so much...the dizziness is out of limits I feel my brain completely dead... 4 times on SSRI'S in the past, I have never had such serious problems. Septemper 2013-November 2013: Paxil (60mg) After discontinuation (cold turkey):anhedonia, severe emotional anesthisia, severe PSSD. xanax: daily use for 4.5 years at doses 0.5 mg -1.5mg. taper september 2014 from 1.5mg. current dose: 0.87,5 mg.(8AM, 2PM, 8PM, 00-01AM) Link to comment
ricardo7 Posted May 27, 2015 Author Share Posted May 27, 2015 btdt, do you believe in recovery? Ι need to survive. I dont want to die like a crazy or like a man who had...depression. Ι don't deserve it God. 4 times on SSRI'S in the past, I have never had such serious problems. Septemper 2013-November 2013: Paxil (60mg) After discontinuation (cold turkey):anhedonia, severe emotional anesthisia, severe PSSD. xanax: daily use for 4.5 years at doses 0.5 mg -1.5mg. taper september 2014 from 1.5mg. current dose: 0.87,5 mg.(8AM, 2PM, 8PM, 00-01AM) Link to comment
btdt Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 btdt, withdrawal is unclear word -at least in my case. I mean I lost all my emotions and my sexuality while on Paxil...I prefer the term "side effects". My big problem though is xanax. I can't find a way in my mind how it is possible to detox from xanax after 4.5 years of daily use, when I had a so adverse reaction to Paxil 1.5 year ago. I have managed to reduce the dose at .87,5 mg , but I suffer so much...the dizziness is out of limits I feel my brain completely dead... Before I answer that I want to say what I was thinking last time I was here talking to you... you had 4x ssri in the past.. was that before xanax or after? I have this tiny suspicion that it was before... and if i am right this is the low down... ssri cause anxiety side effect while you on them or when you get off as in wd.. you like me and others don't know there is such a thing as wd so you think hmm what is this I have a anxiety disorder on top of my depression or whatever the cause of the ssri use was... you don't see it as wd.. but you know it makes you feel better and you know wd sucks azz so you think xanax is you friend and you develop a relationship with it ... do I sound like I know this or what... Next theory.. xanax came first .. for whatever dx could be anxiety could be sleeplessness... xanax side effect depression.. boom you need ssri each time you go on and off your messing with your system it becomes more vulnerable and less able to heal and sustain itself without more xanax which can cause depression... do you see the circle.. do you see how they relate together to you see the beautiful plan to sell a trillion dollars worth of drugs and there we are walking right into it cause we know nothing about it... and we trust our doctors and they trust pharma ok now what was the question... ps not to mention all the other drugs to treat the other side effects.. high blood pressure high lipds ect... chaching. So now that you have the circle of unrest.. above is the picture still fuzzy or have I adjusted your rabbit ears? WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 btdt, do you believe in recovery? Ι need to survive. I dont want to die like a crazy or like a man who had...depression. Ι don't deserve it God. I sure don't deserve it either! who would deserve such a fate. I believe we can get better to a point brain zaps will stop.. at some point with a lot of effort and care you will stop throwing up and diarrhea in your bed will be unheard of.. that will get better.. in time things do improve. How you get off the drugs I think makes a difference and what is right for one may not be right for all... but in time given great time effort and care you will improve. Will you be as vital and well as you were before.. some will and some won't that is what I believe. Is it possible to recover 100% for some people yes for all maybe not.. it depends on the timeline do you limit this to say 5 years most are recovered in 5 years a lot maybe even the majority are healed well enough to work in 3 years others never quit work .. cause they did a slow taper the Gods smiled on them and they learned taper before a state of desperation hit... before tolerance ect. You have to sort our where you are and you have to sort out where you have been .. even if you feel like xanax saved our life it is not doing anything wonderful for your brain.. it just isn't now don't get your panties in a knot and go rushing to make a change but your the one who has to sort this out your past... once it becomes clear to you then you will know better what to do next. For a long time I believed the drugs were giving me a life only because I did not know what made me crazy in the first place was a reaction to prozac because the doc that gave it to me told me it was an drug for inflammation.. I did not know it could affect my brain.. long story but now that I know the truth I can sort my life retoactively and it finally makes sense knowledge is power I just gave you some I hope you use it i wish you peace ps there are some who gave up talking about it who never completely heals they are in the 789 10 year catagory... but I am not giving up I did not ask for easy I asked is it possible and until I am dead I am holding out for possible but I may get down and whine sometimes but we all do that.. do I believe in recovery.. maybe maybe not .. hard to say... But I do Believe In Me if it can be done I will do it one day if not then I won't. I have to try and so do you.. if you want a real authentic life I want that. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
ricardo7 Posted May 31, 2015 Author Share Posted May 31, 2015 Btdt thanks for your support your words are always important. I took the xanax together with dumyrox in 2010 for anxiety with panic attacks, I stopped Dumyrox after few months and I continued the Xanax only at night dose. When I realized the indescribable vicious circle it was late. You are right... xanax caused me light depression and many other symptoms (anxiety, dizziness,insomnia etc.) and I took Paxil again (September 2013). From this month I am in the hell...My stupid "doctor" was very tolerant with Xanax. Ηe was telling me all the time that many others taking benzos for years without problems and the only problem is the dependence etc. BULSHIT! He don't even Know what means dependence...anyway...the issue is what can I do now and if there is a solution, which it's very difficult to believe. I am thinking to follow this method to taper the Xanax. : http://www.theroadback.org/benzopretaper.aspx. I don't Know if you Know him Ι believe he Knows many things for our issues. 4 times on SSRI'S in the past, I have never had such serious problems. Septemper 2013-November 2013: Paxil (60mg) After discontinuation (cold turkey):anhedonia, severe emotional anesthisia, severe PSSD. xanax: daily use for 4.5 years at doses 0.5 mg -1.5mg. taper september 2014 from 1.5mg. current dose: 0.87,5 mg.(8AM, 2PM, 8PM, 00-01AM) Link to comment
ricardo7 Posted May 31, 2015 Author Share Posted May 31, 2015 after little research I discovered that this programm is scam...For a reason the specific supplements seem to be good but I don't Know...pfffffff only despair and nothing else... 4 times on SSRI'S in the past, I have never had such serious problems. Septemper 2013-November 2013: Paxil (60mg) After discontinuation (cold turkey):anhedonia, severe emotional anesthisia, severe PSSD. xanax: daily use for 4.5 years at doses 0.5 mg -1.5mg. taper september 2014 from 1.5mg. current dose: 0.87,5 mg.(8AM, 2PM, 8PM, 00-01AM) Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Skyler Posted May 31, 2015 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted May 31, 2015 after little research I discovered that this programm is scam...For a reason the specific supplements seem to be good but I don't Know...pfffffff only despair and nothing else... How about posting in the benzo section about the symptoms you are having.. the symptoms for which you want to take supplements. If you are taking all of the Xanax at once, you might be having interdose withdrawal. As always, LISTEN TO YOUR BODY! A proud supporter of the 10% (or slower) rule. Requip - 3/16 ZERO Total time on 25 years. Lyrica: 8/15 ZERO Total time on 7 or 8 yrs.BENZO FREE 10/13 (started tapering 7/10) Total time on 25 years. Read my intro thread here, and check the about me section. "No matter how cynical you get, it's almost impossible to keep up." Lily Tomlin Link to comment
btdt Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 I know some things Ricardo but when it comes to taper I really never had a successful taper so generally speaking I call in the people who have done this with success and helped many others do it too... so I am doing that now. I hope somebody comes soon to give you advice .. anytime you feel stuck please feel free to send a private message to any of the moderators for help... peace WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 I am so sorry Skyler I missed that you were a Mod... I don't pay much attention to which forum I am in as in benzo ect go where the wind blows me on here...I did ask for a Mod to come here and was told Skyler was already here just so you know. If you want my opinion I know you did not ask but I personally did not have much luck with supplements or adding any new thing that was not food... for me it is food walking baths relaxation those are my mainstays. I wish you peace. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
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