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Nikki

He was the funniest guy ever:)  Have a heaviness about it like everyone else.

 

Depression can lead to suicide.  Don't know the details. This morning on the Today Show they (doctors) are talking about it being an illness.  Very difficult illness.

 

Yesterday I felt confused and still do, with being on WD sites and seeing and experiencing depression.

Sometimes the depression people share with us here scares me.  It's deep and long lasting and there is talk of ending it.

 

Wake up call for me.....I don't really know what is best for another.  I don't feel comfortable telling someone to endure what they are going thru and I don't feel comfortable suggesting that they take medication.

 

I have often wondered if there are people who really do have depression and what they are experiencing is not just protracted WD.  Again......I don't know and I don't have the answers.

 

I do know that being available for someone to talk too helps them out alot.  It sure helps me.

 

Hugs

 

 

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compsports

Hard to say Nikki.   I wonder if his addiction to cocaine caused the depression.

 

No matter what, it is very sad.

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WinningThrough

I wonder if he was on antidepressants or in withdrawal.

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compsports

I wonder if he was on antidepressants or in withdrawal.

I wondered that too initially but he doesn't seem like the antidepressant type.  Only time will tell as to what the deal is.

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WinningThrough

Yes, that's true. It's so incredibly sad.

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alex

 

I have often wondered if there are people who really do have depression and what they are experiencing is not just protracted WD.  Again......I don't know and I don't have the answers.

 

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Shocked about R.Williams's death.

I also wondered about this;as a matter of fact, it is the title of my thread: Withradawal or Relapse.

But, I went through a very severe Major depression event, and let me tell you: this is hell, but depression, at least for myself, was a lot worse.

Depression was absolutely relentless,I was geting worse, no windows, no mercy...

This is different, after 2 years of struggling, things are getting better, in the typical pattern of waves and windows,2 steps forward, 1 step backwards....

I remember taking 3 different kind of benzos for insomnia during the big depression, and still have no sleep at all;now I have difficulties with sleep, but I am able to rest most of the nights, and, without any medicine at all.

On the other hand, I have reasons to be depressed, but I am getting better, emotionally better...it is weird..

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Rhiannon

I wonder if he was on antidepressants or in withdrawal.

 

Oh, I guarantee he was on psych meds and had probably been on and off various psych meds, like so many of us, convinced his symptoms were "underlying illness" and he was just trusting the doctors and pharma that the meds were helping him, not harming him.

 

In fact I would be willing to bet some decent bucks that he had recently either been changed on meds or started on a new AD or psych med or combo. That seems to be a high risk time for suicidality.

 

He'd been in and out of rehab for a while and had bouts of depression before. I highly doubt he would have gotten through that without being introduced to the psych med merry-go-round.  He could afford the "best" doctors, after all, and we all know how helpful THEY are.

 

I wish he had found this forum. I think we could have saved him. It's so tragic how many lives are lost to antidepressants and psych drugs.

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Lilu

The only good thing to come out of this tragedy of Robin Williams death, is the open and frank discussions about depression and mental illness.  Unfortunately, it is also causing people to start espousing the benefits of antidepressants and chemical imbalance myths.
I found this article

http://pix11.com/2014/08/11/robin-williams-dead-cnn-columnist-discusses-her-depression-diagnosis/comment-page-1/#comment-480485

Ugh...I feel like we are fighting a losing battle against the pharmaceutical industry, and the mental health profession and their proliferation of the chemical imbalance myth.  I just don't know how we can fight this over-eagerness of psychiatrists to over-diagnose and over-prescribe psychotropic drugs.  Especially when the pharmaceutical bullsh*t pill is being spread by journalists, who have also been force-fed their information by ignorant psychiatrists.

 

I posted this response to the author above:

Stephanie, a shortage of serotonin or a chemical imbalance is a scientifically unproven myth that continues to be perpetrated by pharmaceutical companies, who are the ones “educating” psychiatrists about their drugs. Antidepressants are highly addictive and as hard to get of off as heroin. Doctors are uninformed and do not inform their patients about the dangers of using these drugs. Despite of your symptoms, you are the perfect candidate for Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, which has been shown in clinical studies to be more effective than antidepressants long term. Antidepressants have been shown to work in only 50% of participants as compared with a placebo. There are thousands of us out there now, who have been put on antidepressants by ignorant doctors, who have struggled for years with the debilitating effects of withdrawal from antidepressants and other psychotropics. The longer you take an antidepressant, the harder it becomes to get off of it. What these drugs do, is down-regulate the receptors in your brain, in essence they physically alter your brain. It takes a very long time for these receptors to start functioning properly, if at all, even after a long careful taper. Never ever quit a psych drug cold turkey. I am speaking here from 10 years of personal experience. If you want to get better, you have to be willing to work on yourself, instead of just employing the easy fix of popping a pill. For help and resources on SAFELY getting off of antidepressants, please visit a peer supported site survivingantidepressants.org For free cognitive behavioral therapy workshop visit: http://www.allaboutdepression.com/workshops/CBT_Workshop/index.html

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I wonder if he was on antidepressants or in withdrawal.

 

Oh, I guarantee he was on psych meds and had probably been on and off various psych meds, like so many of us, convinced his symptoms were "underlying illness" and he was just trusting the doctors and pharma that the meds were helping him, not harming him.

 

In fact I would be willing to bet some decent bucks that he had recently either been changed on meds or started on a new AD or psych med or combo. That seems to be a high risk time for suicidality.

 

He'd been in and out of rehab for a while and had bouts of depression before. I highly doubt he would have gotten through that without being introduced to the psych med merry-go-round.  He could afford the "best" doctors, after all, and we all know how helpful THEY are.

 

I wish he had found this forum. I think we could have saved him. It's so tragic how many lives are lost to antidepressants and psych drugs.

 

I am starting to wonder if you are right because of the violent way he committed suicide.    I have a vague memory of some professional stating that violent suicides are due to the effect of the SSRI.  

 

Stay tuned.

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compsports

Excellent comment. 

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alex

If depression didn't kill him, SSRIS did,or the fatal combination of both.

Rest in peace, poor man.

This is weird, but I ALWAYS knew, I saw his sadness and demons behind his incredible talent for acting and humor...strange...

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Barbarannamated

Very perceptive, Alex. I can't say that I saw his sadness, but I never felt I saw the genuine man behind the actor/comedian. When he did talk shows, he always seemed *on*.

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compsports

You know, I fear with his death that more people are going to get sucked into psych med hell.   Because now there is going to be more screening and folks not as savvy as us will answer the questions the wrong way even if they may not be suicidal.

 

Of course, if someone is suicidal, you want them to be able to get help.   But is the kind of help offered right now the solution?

 

Finally, everyone acts so concerned about suicide but why are people so shocked?   We live in a very cruel world and I will bet the folks acting concerned right now were nowhere to be found when someone was hurting and could have used a friend.  

 

Sorry for my cynicism but I have seen too much that has caused me to feel this way.

 

CS

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GiaK

...hell yeah. I could always feel Robin Williams too. he had deep sadness in his eyes. 

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moodyblues78

...hell yeah. I could always feel Robin Williams too. he had deep sadness in his eyes. 

 

I agree. 

 

Not very many actors can do great comedy and drama. He had the face and skills for it.

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btdt

I can't help but think of the black box warning 

"

Antidepressant Use in Children, Adolescents, and Adults

[5/2/2007] The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) today proposed that makers of all antidepressant medications update the existing black box warning on their products' labeling to include warnings about increased risks of suicidal thinking and behavior, known as suicidality, in young adults ages 18 to 24 during initial treatment (generally the first one to two months)."

 

This seems to missing from the discussion on tv and websites that I have seen. 

 

Today the talk that he killed himself because he had a dx of parkinsons 

Here is an article from public citizen about drug induced parkinson...or parkinsonism... which I believe I had no matter how the doctors seen it at the time. 

http://blog.seattlepi.com/boomerconsumer/2010/10/09/drug-induced-parkinsonism-is-frequently-misdiagnosed/

"

Drug-induced Parkinsonism is frequently misdiagnosed
Posted on October 9, 2010 By Rita R. Robison
 

Drug-induced Parkinsonism is widespread and a citizens’ advocacy group wants patients and doctors to be aware of the potential for misdiagnosis.

Parkinsonism is condition that causes a combination of the movement abnormalities seen in Parkinson’s disease – such as tremors, slow movement, impaired speech, or muscle. Not everyone who has Parkinsonism has Parkinson’s disease.

One of every 10 people who went to a Parkinson’s disease center were found to have drug-induced Parkinsonism, not the more serious disease it’s often mistaken for, reports Public Citizen.

The people were previously misdiagnosed as having the more common illness, Parkinson’s disease, which is irreversible and has unknown causes. Drug-induced Parkinsonism is reversible and is brought on by medication use.

If doctors mistake drug-induced Parkinsonism for Parkinson’s disease that means instead of stopping the offending drug, doctors may mistakenly treat drug-induced Parkinsonism with another drug while leaving the patient on the drug that caused the illness, said Sidney Wolfe, M.D., director of Public Citizen’s Health Research Group.

Aging can make one susceptible to drug-induced Parkinsonism, and older people may be especially sensitive to drug-induced Parkinsonism from antipsychotic drugs, according to Public Citizen. Also, almost 100 percent of people infected with HIV will get drug-induced Parkinsonism if given antipsychotic drugs.

Some symptoms of Parkinsonism that can distinguish it from Parkinson’s disease include:

  • Symptoms on both the left and right sides. With Parkinson’s disease, the symptoms are typically on only one side.
  • Symptoms end once the drug is no longer used. Parkinson’s disease is chronic and progressive.
  • No degeneration in the brain. Parkinson’s disease causes brain degeneration in a specific area.

Worst Pills, Best Pills, a monthly newsletter published by Public Citizen, offers an article that lists 49 drugs that have caused Parkinsonism.

The article is available to the public for one week starting on Oct. 4. After that date, you’d need to join Public Citizen to access the newsletter.

For more information for boomer consumers, see my blog The Survive and Thrive Boomer Guide.

This is the first thought I had when I heard the news today. 
I am sure I am not the only one who went right to the idea it was drug induced it well could have been.
The tv shows here in Canada today are constantly pushing the treat depression theme so fiercely I don't want to watch I keep changing the channel but it seem to be on each channel. 
 
I don't think we can think of this misinformation being on the back of journalists and docs only any tv set is constantly running commercials and programs for people with mental health if I see that depression hurts commercial one more time I swear I am going to hurl. 
 
And around we go.  
I heard a stat on the news today that 20% of kids have mental health issue and they need to be assessed and treated early there are fund raising programs going on here in Canada to fund child mental health project so more kids can get the "help" they need faster by having every small town having an assessment center... 
I don't see a way out of it. 
 
20% in child hood what % in high school brought on by teenage angst... I was attacked on line yesterday so saying antidepressants can be dangerous drugs... people love their drugs that is for sure.  
 
 

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btdt

Since it did not mention ssri I did an FDA quicky

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www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2009/021323s030s031,021365s021s022lbl.pdf - 197k - 2009-11-03 - Text Version
... in patients who have recently discontinued SSRI treatment and ... or convulsions),
hypoaesthesia, myoclonus, nystagmus, Parkinsonism, restless legs ... 

 

I have looked up effexor and I know it is listed as a side effect for that drug along with a few others I have taken however it was on when I was taking E that I had the symptoms of parkinsonism. 

 

Check you drug monograph it will be there.

seeking peace.

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Rhiannon

 

 

I wonder if he was on antidepressants or in withdrawal.

 

Oh, I guarantee he was on psych meds and had probably been on and off various psych meds, like so many of us, convinced his symptoms were "underlying illness" and he was just trusting the doctors and pharma that the meds were helping him, not harming him.

 

In fact I would be willing to bet some decent bucks that he had recently either been changed on meds or started on a new AD or psych med or combo. That seems to be a high risk time for suicidality.

 

He'd been in and out of rehab for a while and had bouts of depression before. I highly doubt he would have gotten through that without being introduced to the psych med merry-go-round.  He could afford the "best" doctors, after all, and we all know how helpful THEY are.

 

I wish he had found this forum. I think we could have saved him. It's so tragic how many lives are lost to antidepressants and psych drugs.

 

I am starting to wonder if you are right because of the violent way he committed suicide.    I have a vague memory of some professional stating that violent suicides are due to the effect of the SSRI.  

 

Stay tuned.

 

 

Actually also a particular association with the exact method (hanging while kneeling) with AD associated suicides.

 

http://davidhealy.org/left-hanging-suicide-in-bridgend/

 

http://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2014/08/hidden-in-plain-sight-epidemic-of.html

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btdt

http://www.etonline.com/news/149843_marlon_wayans_says_antidepressants_may_have_caused_robin_williams_suicide/index.html

video above

Marlon Wayans: Antidepressents, Not Depression, May Have Caused Robin Williams' Suicide

"I think there's something in these medicines that people are taking for depression that's making them depressed and making them commit suicide," Wayans candidly said in an interview with Fusion Live. "I swear, I don't think it's depression. I think it's chemical. There's some kind of antidepressant drug that they're taking that's causing them to have visions and making them kill themselves. There's drugs out there -- if you take it, and if you're of certain descent -- it will make you a little crazy. I just feel like, it's chemical."

 

I know it is too late now. 

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Has anyone been thinking what I'm thinking about Robin William's suicide? He had been in rehab and you know he had seen a psychiatrist and the chances were very high that he was on psychiatric drugs.....

 

Suicidal side effects anyone?  :(

 

God bless his soul.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBb5v1sJhuU

 

 

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Petunia

Philosopher and radio show host Stefan Molyneux talks about the connection between SSRIs, suicide and Parkinson's disease as it possibly relates to the recent suicide of Robin Williams.

 

Published on Aug 15, 2014

As the details of the Robin Williams tragedy continue to unfold, shocking new information has come to light and the mainstream media has as usual failed to ask some incredibly relevant and important questions.

 

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btdt

Great video thanks for posting the only thing I did not like was the blood like tear... bit too much for Ad takers perhaps or those trying to free themselves from them. 

I wonder if this video will make any headway... if anyone other than us here will actually see it and believe any of it. 

I feel so sorry for him as I think he got caught up in the ssri night mare and did not escape. I once was questioned by a person as to why I put so much time and energy into this subject I told them it is not just because of my personal experience of how bad this is it is also for all those people who got trapped and did not make it out.  

 

At the time I had a solid feel for all those we have lost ssri stories and the 2004 hearing transcripts were burned into me.  I don''t know how to leave it as it is part of me. I often think it was a bad thing to put myself thru both those learning activities while in the depths of withdrawal as it put me in a dangerous place and I do not suggest others actually go to either of those sites till they are very far from the hard withdrawal...but I already knew... I had a experienced a lot and it was validation for me personally.  More than that it was how on earth do we let new people start these drugs once we know.  I can't stop them but it ate at me a long time... made me even crazier more ills if you like. I don't recommend it but I had already done it I already knew... in some ways I wish I did not know. Maybe then it would be easier to get on with things... I don't know why some can go on and ohters can't.  I think in part it is how much you learn...some things I wish I did not know.  Yet at the time I thought in knowing all there was to know in how they work ect I would be better prepared to heal.  

 

I don't think you need to read the 2004 transcripts or keep up in ssir stories to heal... just so you know.  Like Eve I bit that apple and ate a worm that now lives inside me somehow making me feel in some way part responsible for not warning every single person who gets trapped and can't get out. I can't help but wonder why I feel this way and those who sell the drugs don't what is with that... why do I feel culpable ..it is irrational. I know I am still working on it... I hope to be free of it some day ... need some worm meds perhaps. 

 

This is how my peace get stolen so I am going to seek it a constant quest.

peace to you all

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mlrp

As one would well imagine, there has been quite a bit of discussion about Robin Williams on these boards. This clip just makes me so very, very sad.

 

(What's kinda cool, though, is that I can tell this sorrow is "mine," organic to me and not due to the meds. I'm lately having increasing luck distinguishing between the two sets of emotions. Still sucks when the neuro-emotions hit - like they did about 10 min ago. But when an authentic emotion, even a painful one, takes their place, I'm, like, "yay!") 

 

God bless his soul, indeed. 

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At the time I had a solid feel for all those we have lost ssri stories and the 2004 hearing transcripts were burned into me.  I don''t know how to leave it as it is part of me. I often think it was a bad thing to put myself thru both those learning activities while in the depths of withdrawal as it put me in a dangerous place and I do not suggest others actually go to either of those sites till they are very far from the hard withdrawal...but I already knew... I had a experienced a lot and it was validation for me personally.  More than that it was how on earth do we let new people start these drugs once we know.  I can't stop them but it ate at me a long time... made me even crazier more ills if you like. I don't recommend it but I had already done it I already knew... in some ways I wish I did not know. Maybe then it would be easier to get on with things... I don't know why some can go on and ohters can't.  I think in part it is how much you learn...some things I wish I did not know.  Yet at the time I thought in knowing all there was to know in how they work ect I would be better prepared to heal.  

 

 

 

 

I think I read too much too, back when it happened to me.  I am not sure what the alternative was though.  After all we were around well before there was a lot in the way of organized help for this issue, so what choice was there BUT to learn on your own what had happened? 

 

Although in my case people I know personally have told me things that others here don't know which I frankly would rather not have known.  But you are right, once you know it you can't seem to unknow it; even when my memory loss was severe there were things I could not forget about the drug industry.  (And so as not to frighten people, my experience was my severe memory loss DID improve a lot.  If you have the same problem don't give up hope.)

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alex

 

. I'm lately having increasing luck distinguishing between the two sets of emotions

 

That is very good!!

 

 

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btdt

Now I am curious of what they have said that others don't know if they are more horror stories I of what folks have done while drugged I am full up on that if it is knowledge I am all ears. 

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btdt

Has anyone been thinking what I'm thinking about Robin William's suicide? He had been in rehab and you know he had seen a psychiatrist and the chances were very high that he was on psychiatric drugs.....

 

Suicidal side effects anyone?  :(

 

God bless his soul.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBb5v1sJhuU

I think a lot of people are thinking the very same thing there is another thread here on this at this link

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/6870-robin-williams-death-opens-up-discussion-about-mental-illness/#entry97742

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Cberg

I read an article in which Robin Williams wife said that the only thing that helped Robin with his depression was exercise and when he was diagnosed with Parkinson's disease, he feared not being to exercise anymore. i can relate to this because I have thought MANY times what would if I do if I could no longer exercise? So I can totally understand his fear. He also had a long history of drug and alcohol abuse and I can only imagine what they may have done to his system and his brain. Very sad.

 

 

 

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I read an article in which Robin Williams wife stated that Robin used exercise to control his depression. She said it was the only thing that had ever helped him and when he was diagnosed with Parkinson's he greatly feared he would no longer be able to exercise as the Parkinson's progressed. We have a best friend who was diagnosed with Parkinson's one year ago and in that one year the progression of the disease is striking. This man went from being able to do any manner of heavy work and now 'shuffles' instead of walking, and has difficulty cutting his meat (he doesn't have the strength to do it). So I can honestly understand Robin William's fears. I myself have often gotten the scary thought "what if I could not exercise anymore' because I am also a person who responds very positively to exercise.

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Rhiannon

 

. I'm lately having increasing luck distinguishing between the two sets of emotions

 

That is very good!!

 

 

 

 

Agree! I remember when I first started noticing that in my own recovery. It's very cool. That's around the time I began noticing my original personality beginning to emerge too. Good things ahead for you, yay!

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Rhiannon

"Battling severe depression"--I guarantee he was on meds. I'd bet my savings account on it.

 

My guess is he's been on them for many years, probably decades, and probably has a history similar to many of ours here, with various drug changes, cocktails, and long term deterioration over time.

 

And my guess is that when he recently went in for "fine tuning" what they did was "fine tune" his meds, like they almost always do and have done to so many of us here, which is to say, they added some and switched some. And so many of us have been through the kind of suicidality that is caused by that. I know I have. I've had two attempts in my past, both of them when I was coming off a med or going on a new med or both.

 

And I am of course completely unsurprised that this is not being talked about and in fact the media are going with the old story: if you're depressed you need to take meds.  Like the video says, pharmaceutical companies spend 19 times more money on ads than they do on research. Follow the money.

 

There will be many more death$.

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Nikki

From what I read I don't think he was on meds.  His personal assistant and wife would have to physically pull him out of bed.  The depressive episodes were that bad.

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mammaP

I agree with everything Rhi said and believe he was on meds or in withdrawal.  What does surprise me though

is the number of people who are commenting on videos and new reports saying the same things, that meds 

make people more depressed and suicidal. Those kind of comments seem to outnumber those who are advocating

meds.  I just with that the doctors and psychiatrists would wake up and smell the rat that is big pharma. 

 

Oh yes, they did smell the rat and got into bed with it!   :angry:

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