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Altostrata

Enough, Lilu.

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btdt

Has anyone learned the results of Mr Williams toxicology tests?  I have looked and found nothing... Anyone?

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btdt

any news on the toxicology reports?

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Muddles

My friends customer had his Parkinson's meds stopped due to re-call a few weeks ago. I wonder if this has anything to do with that?

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cymbaltawithdrawal5600

The link to the article on drug induced Parkinsonism worked better when I stripped the ".)" from the end of it:

 

http://www.todaysgeriatricmedicine.com/archive/082510p24.shtml

 

So was Mr. Williams on antidepressants at all? Why did the BOM's first paragraph read thusly:

 

 

I sincerely doubt that there will come a time when some pill will come along that will quickly whisk away the kind of profound depression that Robin Williams was apparently suffering. He was no stranger to feel better pills, and chose not to take them – to his credit.  There were a myriad of risk factors we know about: waning celebrity; financial problems; a cancelled tv series; the diagnosis of Parkinson’s Disease [which can be associated with Depression over and above as a stressor]. He was sleeping 18 hours a day and had no appetite. In his last picture, his weight loss is obvious.

 

if it was not the truth? But where did he get his information?

 

Alto, your statement in the comments reads entirely differently but I will not ask where you got your information. (I just re-read your comment and see you were hypothesizing, sorry.) Was Mr. Williams on drugs or not? Sleeping 18 hours a day is not insomnia to me. This whole thing stinks and the MM Q-backing seems to be based on conjecture and therefore not valid. I wonder if they ever will release a toxicology report so we will know for sure.

 

I have a fatalistic viewpoint toward all of this: in many cases, suicide cannot be prevented no matter how much we would like to think so. Some just are not successful and some are. Either way, it is a tragedy. The worse tragedy (I am coming to see) is when it comes as a result of the horrible effects of psych drugs. I remember Acetyl and my heart aches.

 

A search (after I posted this) brought me to a site where this was written:

 

 

Almost exactly 53 years after Hemingway’s suicide, another American icon, Robin Williams, entered a psychiatric facility in Minnesota (July 1, 2014). He had been given an as yet unknown cocktail of prescription drugs that resulted in his losing weight and withdrawing from his loved ones, sleeping, after his discharge later that month, in his darkened bedroom up to 20 hours a day, in an apparent drug-induced stupor.

 

But the article goes on to say things about "drug cocktails" that don't sound so definite. Where are they getting this information? I guess the 'they' here is the writer of the article, a Dr. Gary Kohls. How is he so sure of what he writes about Mr. Williams and ANY kind of drugs?

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cymbaltawithdrawal5600

My guess is that someone already has the results but they are not being released. Possibly for damage control reasons? It is pretty close to 6 weeks later. Or are they waiting for results other than 'toxicology'?

 

We will find out one of these days or never at all. You know how it is....

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My guess is that someone already has the results but they are not being released. Possibly for damage control reasons? It is pretty close to 6 weeks later. Or are they waiting for results other than 'toxicology'?

 

We will find out one of these days or never at all. You know how it is....

Like with Adam Lanza.   Sheesh, it is easier to penetrate the Al Queda network.

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My guess is that someone already has the results but they are not being released. Possibly for damage control reasons? It is pretty close to 6 weeks later. Or are they waiting for results other than 'toxicology'?

 

We will find out one of these days or never at all. You know how it is....

Like with Adam Lanza.   Sheesh, it is easier to penetrate the Al Queda network.

 

Says here

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/03/17/the-reckoning

Adam Lanza took lexapro at 13 or that is the the age of which they took him to see Dr Paul J Fox

"Kathleen Koenig, a nurse specialist in psychiatry at Yale, gave some follow-up treatment. While seeing her, Adam tried Lexapro, which Fox had prescribed. Nancy reported, “On the third morning he complained of dizziness. By that afternoon he was disoriented, his speech was disjointed, he couldn’t even figure out how to open his cereal box. He was sweating profusely . . . it was actually dripping off his hands. He said he couldn’t think. . . . He was practically vegetative.” Later the same day, she wrote, “He did nothing but sit in his dark room staring at nothing.” Adam stopped taking Lexapro and never took psychotropics again, which worried Koenig. She wrote, “While Adam likes to believe that he’s completely logical, in fact, he’s not at all, and I’ve called him on it.” She said he had a biological disorder and needed medication. “I told him he’s living in a box right now, and the box will only get smaller over time if he doesn’t get some treatment.”

 

This is one reporters account after talking with the father who had not seen his son in a couple of years. 

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The reports on Adam say there were no drugs in his system that does not rule out withdrawal or severe adverse reactions and we all know how very long and difficult that can be for us supposedly adult people who have or had life skills and problems solving skill of functional adults.  How different the story may be for a child especially a child who was already having a difficult time. 

 

We can only guess.  Few others than us would even consider this since the drug was not in his body at the time.  

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I wasn't sure where to put this but here is as good as any. I was reading a magazine ( yes a real paper one! That is a step forward!) 

 

Someone who writes about mental health said that 15% of suicides are people with 'undiagnosed depression' . 

 

That leaves 85% who are potentially receiving treatment. Says it all really! 

 

I need to see if I can find it again and give the link or the name of the author. Someone who wrote a book. 

That narrows it down a lot  :unsure:

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I wonder how many of the 85% never thought of suicide till the took the drug... I never... suicide never crossed my mind I did not even know anyone at the time who had ever attempted suicide.... it was a long time ago... but from then till now is like night and day.  

 

I know so many people now who have killed themselves and so many more who have made an attempt and yes... all I know of were drugged not one person who killed themselves or made an attempt on their lives that I know was not taking a psych drug.  

 

We could suspect that because of the changes in my life I have sought out help and meant people in programs ect who were ill hence it would make sense if they were dying all around me... but the truth of it is I have not bothered with any legit support system in years and no groups in over a decades or more....so the people I am taking about are not falling into the frequent flyer of phsych program awards these are average people next door who have the suicide issue.

 

In my mind it is spelling out that the drugs are the cause if not completely they sure are helping a lot of people die... or make them wish they were dead and you know I get it... after living thru all I have I completely understand it... I think most did not know the drug was causing their problems

 

Saddest thing ever! 

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mammaP

Excellent article, thank you Alto.  

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btdt

I will second that it would seem the cat is out of the bag some people who are not drug users... I am assuming he isn't are catching on.  I hope something is finally done... I have lost hope actually now I am into the wishing bit. I don't think anything will be done to until the balls are too the wall I can't imagine how that would look I wish I could. 

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Still looking for news on the toxicology report on Robin Williams. As reported by this site (and yes I know they aren't always accurate):

 

 

The new date for the autopsy results has been moved to November 3 from its original date of September 30.

 

Have no idea where all the threads pertaining to Williams are located so I put this here. I am still vitally interested in whether he was on meds or not.

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Still looking for news on the toxicology report on Robin Williams. As reported by this site (and yes I know they aren't always accurate):

 

 

The new date for the autopsy results has been moved to November 3 from its original date of September 30.

 

Have no idea where all the threads pertaining to Williams are located so I put this here. I am still vitally interested in whether he was on meds or not.

Even if he was, my guess is they will hide it from the public.   Sorry for my cynacism but I am sure you all understand.

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Still looking for news on the toxicology report on Robin Williams. As reported by this site (and yes I know they aren't always accurate):

 

 

The new date for the autopsy results has been moved to November 3 from its original date of September 30.

 

Have no idea where all the threads pertaining to Williams are located so I put this here. I am still vitally interested in whether he was on meds or not.

Even if he was, my guess is they will hide it from the public.   Sorry for my cynacism but I am sure you all understand.

 

And even if he wasn't that does not mean he was not suffering the withdrawal effects of the drugs that could well have been long out of his system but the changes the drug made to his brain would change how he reacted to further drugging say for Parkinsons... which may have been drug induced too. 

 

He he were taken off the Ads because of the Parkinsons symptoms ( the reason the neurologist told me to get off Effexor) if he was then put on a parkison drug... I was given mirapex... I had a severe reaction to one pill.  

 

I did not have any knowledge of hypersensitivity after quitting Ads I did not know anything people on this site know... but the mirapex messed me up so much I just stopped and refused further drugging... well almost I tried a small dose of lyrica quit that too. 

 

Point you don't have to be taking antidepressant drugs to suffer a suicidal reaction to further drugging or just plain quitting we wish it were so simple.  

 

When I started this I thought it would be that simple I thought get this effexor out of my body I will get better... we here all know now that is not how this duck quacks not even close. 

 

All sorts of things are possible we are only guessing that toxicology report would be interesting but so would a history of the drugs he had been taking a how long he had been on and when he changed drugs or dose it makes a huge difference ...

EVERYTHING COUNTS!

imho

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btdt

 

I wonder if he was on antidepressants or in withdrawal.

I wondered that too initially but he doesn't seem like the antidepressant type.  Only time will tell as to what the deal is.

 

What is the antidepressant type? lol seems odd to me. 

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Hard to say Nikki.   I wonder if his addiction to cocaine caused the depression.

 

No matter what, it is very sad.

I wonder what came first the Antidepressant or the cocaine some people abuse drugs like cocaine when they hit tolerance others drink when the first start changing brain chemstry with Ads... all sort of things are possible after antidepressant use changes people... we just don't know do we and none of the dead people not even Robin can tell us.

 

I leave one name with you if you wish to research it 

Sara Carlin 

her drug was paxil her life was too short 

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Still looking for news on the toxicology report on Robin Williams. As reported by this site (and yes I know they aren't always accurate):

 

 

The new date for the autopsy results has been moved to November 3 from its original date of September 30.

 

Have no idea where all the threads pertaining to Williams are located so I put this here. I am still vitally interested in whether he was on meds or not.

Previous threads about Robin Williams at SA can be found here:

https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=Survivingantidepressants.org%20-%20%22robin%20williams%22

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btdt,

 

I am not sure what I was thinking when I wrote RW wasn't the antidepressant type.    I guess because he did alot bicylcling, I wondered if he had decided that was the way to deal with his depression vs. taking a med.   And there were some reports saying that was the case.

 

I think your points inferring that we are just never going to really know what happened because of there being too many issues are right on target.

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Since his death I have watched many videos of his comedy and some of them refer to antidepressants sounded to me like he has some first hand knowledge they are so common now about everyone knows the names of a few Ads and knows some one who takes them could be he did not write the material.  I think he took the pills no reason for believing except his work load ...Effexor is one drug you can take a work like a dog that I know first hand...and how it all ended of course that too. 

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Toxicology report findings from this site:

 

Found in his blood were "mirtazapine, desmethylmirtazapine, caffeine, and theobromine". No ETOH.

 

And: "Investigators found that he had been prescribed a variety of drugs, including lansoprazole, rapaflo, finasteride, amoxicillin, quetiapine, carbidopa, and mirtazapine."

 

Also of note: ""According to a new autopsy and toxicology report obtained by RadarOnline.com, his brain also showed signs of dementia.

“Neuropathy findings in this case support the diagnosis of diffuse Lewy body dementia,” the report reads, “…as established by the National Institute on Aging/Alzheimer’s Disease.” The disease is the second-most-common degenerative brain disease after Alzheimer’s."

 

Merde.

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A discussion of the toxicology report here.

 

I made this post in 'Off Topic':

 

Found in his blood were "mirtazapine, desmethylmirtazapine, caffeine, and theobromine". No ETOH.

 

And: "Investigators found that he had been prescribed a variety of drugs, including lansoprazole, rapaflo, finasteride, amoxicillin, quetiapine, carbidopa, and mirtazapine."

 

Also of note: ""According to a new autopsy and toxicology report obtained by RadarOnline.com, his brain also showed signs of dementia.

“Neuropathy findings in this case support the diagnosis of diffuse Lewy body dementia,” the report reads, “…as established by the National Institute on Aging/Alzheimer’s Disease.” The disease is the second-most-common degenerative brain disease after Alzheimer’s."

 

Merde.

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o be diagnosed with Lewy body dementia, you must have experienced a progressive decline in your ability to think, as well as two of the following:


  • Fluctuating alertness and thinking (cognitive) function
  • Repeated visual hallucinations
  • Parkinsonian symptoms

In addition, one or more of the following features are considered supportive of the diagnosis of Lewy body dementia:


  • REM sleep behavior disorder, a condition in which people act out their dreams during sleep
  • Autonomic dysfunction, which involves instability in blood pressure and heart rate, poor regulation of body temperature, sweating, and related symptoms

No single test can diagnose Lewy body dementia. Instead, doctors diagnose your condition through ruling out other conditions that may cause similar signs and symptoms.


 


There is nothing on this list I have not had either when still taking E or after I quit. 


 


I my mind this does not rule out damage caused by drugs. 


There for the grace of God go I ... must work at being more grateful and work harder to make these dangers known. Some how I keep faltering... still. 


 


Radar site linked above..


"Investigators found bottles of anti-depressants seroquel and mirtazapine"


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I just made a comment on the off topic thread ...maybe somebody should merge these Robin threads seems to be a  lot of them around... it is quite confusing and I am sure some maybe important things are being missed. 

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Altostrata

Poor man.

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Altostrata

Robin Williams's friends had said he couldn't sleep. Maybe he then got mirtazapine, and was sleeping all the time.

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Pitykitty

I agree with everyone and its so very tragic. I loved Robin Williams' comedy. Yet I found his dramatic performances most impressive. My favorite was "Dead Poets Society". Famous or unknown..its sad to lose anyone to the raw feeling of hopelessness. Rest in peace.

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Since it did not mention ssri I did an FDA quicky

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www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2009/021323s030s031,021365s021s022lbl.pdf - 197k - 2009-11-03 - Text Version

... in patients who have recently discontinued SSRI treatment and ... or convulsions),

hypoaesthesia, myoclonus, nystagmus, Parkinsonism, restless legs ... 

 

I have looked up effexor and I know it is listed as a side effect for that drug along with a few others I have taken however it was on when I was taking E that I had the symptoms of parkinsonism. 

 

Check you drug monograph it will be there.

seeking peace.

just a reminder

 

how does a Doc expect to treat parkinsons while giving a drug that causes all the symptoms

it is crazy making

makes no sense to me

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cymbaltawithdrawal5600

It would be great if all of these comments about Robin Williams were all in one thread.

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Altostrata

Topics combined. Does anyone object to moving this topic to Media, a public forum visible from the Web?

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btdt

I think that is a great idea people should know. 

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cymbaltawithdrawal5600

Thanks Alto and yes, move it to Media. It might cause some people to find SA. I don't think it should have been private to begin with.

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cymbaltawithdrawal5600

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rejBw0Ti_R4

 

I found this quite by accident and was completely fascinated (but doesn't mean you will be too....)

 

Quote: "The host, Dr. Kirk Honda, is a professor at Antioch University Seattle and a licensed therapist. Co-host Humberto Castaneda provides the layperson's voice."

 

In this podcast they discuss Robin's suicide and why it had such an impact on people. They reference this interview (which I googled) :

 

youtube dot com/watch?v=5tLi1Mc7g30

 

I obfuscated the link because the man's podcast is called "WTF" and of course, we all know a saying that fits that acronym. It starts off as definitely NSFW.

 

At about 50 minutes into the Seattle podcast is a very interesting take on maybe WHY Robin might have done this. With interesting ties to the movie he made, "Awakenings". Spooky.

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