alizarin Posted September 24, 2014 Author Share Posted September 24, 2014 having been through lexapro withdrawal via cold turkey, i now have to go through remeron w/d, which will make the insomnia even worse, and then finally, try to get rid of 2 mg klonopin (1 mg which was "accidentally" given in hospital). Honestly, folks, who in the world could be able to deal with w/d over and over like this? i don't think i'm strong enough. i've lost everything in my life. please help me. Current Meds: Klonopin 1.9 mg (anxiety /insomnia) 10 years, began taper then stopped. Currently forced to drop to 1.5 mg. Remeron 7.5 mg (insomnia, nausea, GI issues) stopped taper Propylthiouracil 25 mg (for Graves') Past Meds: Lexapro 10 mg, CT 1.5 years ago without researching. Taken for 9 years. Trazadone 300 mg (insomnia), lowered BP, suffered vasovagal syncope, a fall required surgery for dental trauma. Propranolol, 10 mg, during hospitalization for hyperthyroidism, 3.5 weeks, then switched to Cartia for 3 weeks. Dr C/T both. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus dalsaan Posted September 24, 2014 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted September 24, 2014 You don't know the remeron wd will make your insomnia worse. Dont stress about that or you will do more damage to your nervous system. From my experience, getting some sleep means doing 100 things right. And my 100 things may be different to yours. I try and give myself the best opportunity to sleep. I use blue light glasses, I have sleep headphones so I can listen to a sleep hypnosis application, I take magnesium and taurine, I have a bath before bed and I focus on resting rather than sleeping. If I can rest deeply there is a chance I will sleep. It also means I will be less shattered in the morning. I know it's difficult and dementing but try not to obsess about finding an answer, focuss on bringing together as many little things as you can to rest, relax and maybe sleep Please note - I am not a medical practitioner and I do not give medical advice. I offer an opinion based on my own experiences, reading and discussion with others.On Effexor for 2 months at the start of 2005. Had extreme insomnia as an adverse reaction. Changed to mirtazapine. Have been trying to get off since mid 2008 with numerous failures including CTs and slow (but not slow enough tapers)Have slow tapered at 10 per cent or less for years. I have liquid mirtazapine made at a compounding chemist. Was on 1.6 ml as at 19 March 2014. Dropped to 1.5 ml 7 June 2014. Dropped to 1.4 in about September. Dropped to 1.3 on 20 December 2014. Dropped to 1.2 in mid Jan 2015. Dropped to 1 ml in late Feb 2015. I think my old medication had run out of puff so I tried 1ml when I got the new stuff and it seems to be going ok. Sleep has been good over the last week (as of 13/3/15). Dropped to 1/2 ml 14/11/15 Fatigue still there as are memory and cognition problems. Sleep is patchy but liveable compared to what it has been in the past. DRUG FREE - as at 1st May 2017 >My intro post is here - http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/2250-dalsaan Link to comment
alizarin Posted September 24, 2014 Author Share Posted September 24, 2014 Should have stated that the Remeron and the Klonopin w/d and/or taper will most likely worsen insomnia. My trouble with sleep is that I don't have difficulty falling asleep, it is a maintenance issue since this whole thing began. I knock out and in an hour, I'm awake. Prior to the Remeron, I was micro-sleeping for almost a month. My concerns are valid. I have to devise a plan to taper these drugs in time for March, as I will lose my insurance due to the loss of my job. I have no family. I have lost my career and passion as an artist, as sleep deprivation has rendered me incapable of forming any creative idea whatsoever. In fact, I'm basically bedridden now at 36, just suffered a fall causing facial lacerations and dental trauma, in need of surgery for said trauma, still mourning the loss of my mother to sudden pancreatic cancer 2 years ago, have run out of savings, and will most likely end up in a woman's shelter? I don't know. To clarify, I wasn't spewing the above to previous poster, I suppose I'm 'venting outloud' as I have no one to speak to. I did call a hotline earlier and they keep trying to send me to detox clinics. Current Meds: Klonopin 1.9 mg (anxiety /insomnia) 10 years, began taper then stopped. Currently forced to drop to 1.5 mg. Remeron 7.5 mg (insomnia, nausea, GI issues) stopped taper Propylthiouracil 25 mg (for Graves') Past Meds: Lexapro 10 mg, CT 1.5 years ago without researching. Taken for 9 years. Trazadone 300 mg (insomnia), lowered BP, suffered vasovagal syncope, a fall required surgery for dental trauma. Propranolol, 10 mg, during hospitalization for hyperthyroidism, 3.5 weeks, then switched to Cartia for 3 weeks. Dr C/T both. Link to comment
alizarin Posted September 25, 2014 Author Share Posted September 25, 2014 What I'm about to describe has becoming more conspicuous within the last 2 weeks. But these last two days, I have woken with a racing heart and anxiety. I believe it's referred to as cortisol rushes. But when I try to go back to sleep, I do notice my body is dead tired and I am yawning, yet there's an inner restlessness that just won't allow any sleep. I haven't had a night's sleep of more than 1 hour since the 2nd of July and I'm feeling quite desperate, as I've stated before. I know I've mentioned reinstating and I know it's not been advised, but what does one do? My experience of depersonalization and derealization has spiralled into madness. The intrusive thoughts that compare who I am to my former self are beyond detrimental and I honestly don't know how to cope. Also, since it got so bad last night, I thought a bit more magnesium would help the racing heart and perhaps it did, but it also gave me a bit of nausea. Current Meds: Klonopin 1.9 mg (anxiety /insomnia) 10 years, began taper then stopped. Currently forced to drop to 1.5 mg. Remeron 7.5 mg (insomnia, nausea, GI issues) stopped taper Propylthiouracil 25 mg (for Graves') Past Meds: Lexapro 10 mg, CT 1.5 years ago without researching. Taken for 9 years. Trazadone 300 mg (insomnia), lowered BP, suffered vasovagal syncope, a fall required surgery for dental trauma. Propranolol, 10 mg, during hospitalization for hyperthyroidism, 3.5 weeks, then switched to Cartia for 3 weeks. Dr C/T both. Link to comment
alizarin Posted September 25, 2014 Author Share Posted September 25, 2014 Someone is driving me to the hospital for dental surgery tomorrow due to vasovagal syncope from insomnia and I'm not in a functional state, to say the least. I was reading stories here about just how severe Remeron w/d is. I was put on it by a sleep specialist because prior to it, I was micro-sleeping. Then I'll have to battle the worst of all for me, Klonopin. I can only look back to the memory of my mother to help me survive this pain and lonliness. Current Meds: Klonopin 1.9 mg (anxiety /insomnia) 10 years, began taper then stopped. Currently forced to drop to 1.5 mg. Remeron 7.5 mg (insomnia, nausea, GI issues) stopped taper Propylthiouracil 25 mg (for Graves') Past Meds: Lexapro 10 mg, CT 1.5 years ago without researching. Taken for 9 years. Trazadone 300 mg (insomnia), lowered BP, suffered vasovagal syncope, a fall required surgery for dental trauma. Propranolol, 10 mg, during hospitalization for hyperthyroidism, 3.5 weeks, then switched to Cartia for 3 weeks. Dr C/T both. Link to comment
Meimeiquest Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 I really know it is awful. I am so glad you have the insight to know it is not safe to drive. I use taurine for the heart racing, 400 to 500mg at bedtime. Setting yourself up to rest while you can't sleep in the night may be your best option. Getting up or resting can be helpful...lying there restless is the worst thing. Have you read the insomnia thread. Please realize you are just really sick right now. Starting low and gradually working up might help with the magnesium. Or using an oil so it doesn't affect your GI tract. Or Epsoms salts baths. Somehow moving from "how do I fix this not being able to sleep" to "How do I cope with these symptoms, which are not me, until they go away".which is so very hard to do, I really feel your desperation and I'm very sorry. I would feel the same way. 1st round Prozac 1989/90, clear depression symptoms. 2nd round Prozac started 1999 when admitted to dr. I was tired. Prozac pooped out, switch to Cymbalta 3/2006. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder due to mania 6/2006--then I was taken abruptly off Cymbalta and didn't know I had SSRI withdrawal. Lots of meds for my intractable "bipolar" symptoms. Zyprexa started about 9/06, mostly 5mg. Tapered 4/12 through12/29/12 Wellbutrin. XL 300 mg started 1/07, tapered 1/18/13 through 7/8/13 Oxazepam mostly continuously since 6/06, 30mg since 12/12, tapered 1.17.14 through 8.26.15 11/06 Lithium 600mg twice daily, 2.2.14 400mg TID DIY liquid, 2.12.14 1150mg, 3.2.14 1100mg, 3.18.14 1075mg, 4/14 updose to 1100mg, 6.1.14 900 mg capsules 7.8.14 810mg, 8.17.14 725mg, 8.24.24 700mg...10.22.14 487.5mg, 3.9.15 475mg, 4.1.15 462.5mg 4.21.15 450mg 8.11.15 375mg, 11.28.15 362.5mg, back to 375mg four days later, 3.4.16 updose to 475 (too much going on to risk trouble) 9/4/13 Toprol-XL 25mg daily for sudden hypertension, tapered 11.12.13 through 5.3.14, last 10 days or so switched to atenolol 7.4.14 Started Walsh Protocol 56 years old Link to comment
alizarin Posted September 25, 2014 Author Share Posted September 25, 2014 I really know it is awful. I am so glad you have the insight to know it is not safe to drive. I use taurine for the heart racing, 400 to 500mg at bedtime. Setting yourself up to rest while you can't sleep in the night may be your best option. Getting up or resting can be helpful...lying there restless is the worst thing. Have you read the insomnia thread. Please realize you are just really sick right now. Starting low and gradually working up might help with the magnesium. Or using an oil so it doesn't affect your GI tract. Or Epsoms salts baths. Somehow moving from "how do I fix this not being able to sleep" to "How do I cope with these symptoms, which are not me, until they go away".which is so very hard to do, I really feel your desperation and I'm very sorry. I would feel the same way. I haven't driven an automobile since May 8th, the commencement date of my insomnia. I might have lost my cognitive abilities, memory, coordination, everything really, but I would never think of endangering another person's life by placing myself behind a wheel. I have to be careful with my BP, as it's been known to go high and low (last ER visit was when I took Trazadone and my BP was really low, first and last time I took the drug, prescribed by a doctor and the bottle had just been sitting there). The insomnia thread. Yes. I have read it. Magnesium: I've been taking the chelated magnesium at 250 mg for about a month. I do notice it calms me at night, whether it's placebo or not, I doubt that actually. In other words, I have taken it and minutes later have been yawning. At this point, it seems more sedating than the drugs I have to continue taking just so I don't have a seizure (or another AD cold turkey). I'm inclined to believe the root of my problem was, in fact, the sudden surge of drugs given to me during my first hospital visit. Alto also states that above. I tend to agree simply because that's when I first stopped sleeping. 3-4 days after the colossal instalment of antithyroid drugs and a beta blocker, the later which I've never taken before. Prior to that my thyroid was in remission so I was not on thyroid medication, no beta. I was only on the 1 mg Klonopin to be exact. I will also be as bold to state that I belive AD w/d exacerbated my thyroid condition and removed it from remission. Perhaps I'm mistaken. Finding the cause or the root of a problem is very important to me as it helps me understand the sequence of events. It's difficult for me to simply tread forth unknowingly. Believe me, I've been trying to cope with the symptoms of insomnia since May 8th. As a matter of fact, the CT symptoms from the Lexapro still kept me at work and functional. However, the insomnia has rendered me utterly useless and now, it's tricking my mind. I find myself actually wondering IF it will ever go away, or if this is the beginning of my new 'life'. Thank you for listening and expressing your concern. Current Meds: Klonopin 1.9 mg (anxiety /insomnia) 10 years, began taper then stopped. Currently forced to drop to 1.5 mg. Remeron 7.5 mg (insomnia, nausea, GI issues) stopped taper Propylthiouracil 25 mg (for Graves') Past Meds: Lexapro 10 mg, CT 1.5 years ago without researching. Taken for 9 years. Trazadone 300 mg (insomnia), lowered BP, suffered vasovagal syncope, a fall required surgery for dental trauma. Propranolol, 10 mg, during hospitalization for hyperthyroidism, 3.5 weeks, then switched to Cartia for 3 weeks. Dr C/T both. Link to comment
andy Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Believe me, I've been trying to cope with the symptoms of insomnia since May 8th. As a matter of fact, the CT symptoms from the Lexapro still kept me at work and functional. However, the insomnia has rendered me utterly useless and now, it's tricking my mind. I find myself actually wondering IF it will ever go away, or if this is the beginning of my new 'life'. Thank you for listening and expressing your concern. Believe me it will fix itself if you try to hard it won't help,about 18 months ago I was standing in a shop and collapsed from exhaustion ,I hadn't slept for 3 days straight.Slowly I learnt to relax and gave up trying to sleep,what followed was I could nod of to sleep only for a few hours at first.Overtime I slept longer and longer and things improved,I'm going through a bad patch now but I'm coming off zyprexa which is a powerful sedative .I know in time and If I don't rush things my natural sleep pattern will return to normal. You will get there I promise 2012 put on Citalopram and diazepam for 3 months for "depression" after filling in a 3 minute form at the doctors, had a massive reaction with panic attacks and extreme anxiety,never suffered panic attacks or anxiety before citalopram.Told to quit cold turkey which led to two hospital admissions during 2012/2013 December for 6 months Seroquel dosage adjusted up and down 50mg ,150mg ,100mg, caused severe tinnitus ,told to quit cold turkey 2013 January for 12 months Lorazapam given to me like sweets,told to quit cold turkey 2013 May Zoloft for 6 months ,told to quit cold turkey, reinstated 50mg tapered 2nd time over a month (to fast but I survived)messed up my sleep Zyprexa April 2103 5mg until august 2014 ,dropped by doctor down to 2.5mg for one month went well but sleep was very poor for 3 weeks End of 2015 I had to reinstate back up to 5mg due to constant insomnia that wouldnt go away Started a slow taper and found an understanding doctor who listened to me while I reducedMay 2016 drug free, sleeping and doing well in life again, it can be done http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/12078-finally-off-zyprexa/ Link to comment
alwayslookup Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Okay I was reading this post cause I sufferfrom insomnia too(I took Effexor+Rivotril+Ambien for a year then cold turkeyed the effexor and benzo. I tried a lot of natural stuff since. What seems to help is a combination of a natural sleeping pill that contains Melatonin and passion flower(nobody mentioned it here but it is reported to be as good as a benzo in some cases) and I combine this with L Tryptophan before I go to sleep. It seems to be working fairly well 1st short round: from 2012 april ~ july Sertraline 50mg with 1mg Larazepam fast wd few problems 2013 may - 2014 january: 75mg Effexor XR + 1mg Rivotril + 10mg Ambien(zolpidem) 2014 january ~ june : 150mg Effexor XR + 2mg Rivotril cold turkeyed both almost at the same time (crazy wd of course) two days after cold turkey of Effexor I started 10mg of Lexapro for around a month then did a fast taper (for some days took little Ambien to combat wd) Reinstated to 1mg of Klonopin on 2015.04.23 I took the 1mg total for 10 days. I did in three divided doses 0.25 morning + 0.25 afternoon + 0.5 before sleep. Now: 1 mgs total K, divided into .75 night .25 day Started taking 3mg Lamictal on 05.07...... Slowly tiltrated up to 6mg.... Link to comment
alizarin Posted September 26, 2014 Author Share Posted September 26, 2014 Believe me it will fix itself if you try to hard it won't help,about 18 months ago I was standing in a shop and collapsed from exhaustion ,I hadn't slept for 3 days straight.Slowly I learnt to relax and gave up trying to sleep,what followed was I could nod of to sleep only for a few hours at first.Overtime I slept longer and longer and things improved,I'm going through a bad patch now but I'm coming off zyprexa which is a powerful sedative .I know in time and If I don't rush things my natural sleep pattern will return to normal. You will get there I promise Hi andy, Thaank you for your kind words of encouragement. I'm so sorry you collapsed from sleep deprivation, something quite similar happened to me this month. But it was quite dark and I suffered a rather nasty fall. I am lucky not to be paralyzed. I landed on my knees and then apparently the lower right side of my face. Massive dental trauma. Actually, I go in to the surgeon's tomorrow morning so I'm a bit... petrified. I also fractured my maxilla but luckily, recuperation is underway. Had facial lacerations earlier on but they've diminished. All of this due to insomnia. But thank you for sharing your story. Looking at your signature, it appears as though you've also been through your share of pharmaceuticals. So Sorry you had to go through all of that. Current Meds: Klonopin 1.9 mg (anxiety /insomnia) 10 years, began taper then stopped. Currently forced to drop to 1.5 mg. Remeron 7.5 mg (insomnia, nausea, GI issues) stopped taper Propylthiouracil 25 mg (for Graves') Past Meds: Lexapro 10 mg, CT 1.5 years ago without researching. Taken for 9 years. Trazadone 300 mg (insomnia), lowered BP, suffered vasovagal syncope, a fall required surgery for dental trauma. Propranolol, 10 mg, during hospitalization for hyperthyroidism, 3.5 weeks, then switched to Cartia for 3 weeks. Dr C/T both. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Petunia Posted September 26, 2014 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted September 26, 2014 My concerns are valid. I have to devise a plan to taper these drugs in time for March, as I will lose my insurance due to the loss of my job. I don't live in the states, but I've read that's its possible to get prescription medication even if you don't have insurance, perhaps someone will be able to advise you how to do this. Any doctor can prescribe what you are taking, you don't need to see a psychiatrist. As long as you are able to get your medication, you can still taper slowly, you may have to switch to a generic though, I'm not sure. I'm not a doctor. My comments are not medical advise. These are my opinions based on my own experience and what I've learned. Please discuss your situation with a medical practitioner who has knowledge of tapering and withdrawal...if you are lucky enough to find one. My Introduction Thread Full Drug and Withdrawal History Brief Summary Several SSRIs for 13 years starting 1997 (for mild to moderate partly situational anxiety) Xanax PRN ~ Various other drugs over the years for side effects 2 month 'taper' off Lexapro 2010 Short acute withdrawal, followed by 2 -3 months of improvement then delayed protracted withdrawal DX ADHD followed by several years of stimulants and other drugs trying to manage increasing symptoms Failed reinstatement of Lexapro and trial of Prozac (became suicidal) May 2013 Found SA, learned about withdrawal, stopped taking drugs...healing begins. Protracted withdrawal, with a very sensitized nervous system, slowly recovering as time passes Supplements which have helped: Vitamin C, Magnesium, Taurine Bad reactions: Many supplements but mostly fish oil and Vitamin D June 2016 - Started daily juicing, mostly vegetables and lots of greens. Aug 2016 - Oct 2016 Best window ever, felt almost completely recovered Oct 2016 -Symptoms returned - bad days and less bad days. April 2018 - No windows, but significant improvement, it feels like permanent full recovery is close. VIDEO: Where did the chemical imbalance theory come from? VIDEO: How are psychiatric diagnoses made? VIDEO: Why do psychiatric drugs have withdrawal syndromes? VIDEO: Can psychiatric drugs cause long-lasting negative effects? VIDEO: Dr. Claire Weekes Link to comment
alizarin Posted September 26, 2014 Author Share Posted September 26, 2014 Okay I was reading this post cause I sufferfrom insomnia too(I took Effexor+Rivotril+Ambien for a year then cold turkeyed the effexor and benzo. I tried a lot of natural stuff since. What seems to help is a combination of a natural sleeping pill that contains Melatonin and passion flower(nobody mentioned it here but it is reported to be as good as a benzo in some cases) and I combine this with L Tryptophan before I go to sleep. It seems to be working fairly well You CTed the Effexor... and a benzo? Were you on the benzo for a year? The withdrawal must have been horrible, I can't even fathom. So sorry to hear you went through that. I only take Magnesium so far, but not Melatonin, even though I have liquid melatoning at my disposal. What is the name of the supplement? Perhaps I can look into it. Thank you for trying to help! Current Meds: Klonopin 1.9 mg (anxiety /insomnia) 10 years, began taper then stopped. Currently forced to drop to 1.5 mg. Remeron 7.5 mg (insomnia, nausea, GI issues) stopped taper Propylthiouracil 25 mg (for Graves') Past Meds: Lexapro 10 mg, CT 1.5 years ago without researching. Taken for 9 years. Trazadone 300 mg (insomnia), lowered BP, suffered vasovagal syncope, a fall required surgery for dental trauma. Propranolol, 10 mg, during hospitalization for hyperthyroidism, 3.5 weeks, then switched to Cartia for 3 weeks. Dr C/T both. Link to comment
alizarin Posted September 26, 2014 Author Share Posted September 26, 2014 My concerns are valid. I have to devise a plan to taper these drugs in time for March, as I will lose my insurance due to the loss of my job. I don't live in the states, but I've read that's its possible to get prescription medication even if you don't have insurance, perhaps someone will be able to advise you how to do this. Any doctor can prescribe what you are taking, you don't need to see a psychiatrist. As long as you are able to get your medication, you can still taper slowly, you may have to switch to a generic though, I'm not sure. You're absolutely right. I suppose I shoul've mentioned that my funds/ savings have been depleted since I had to stop working. Here, a co-pay for a docto'rs visit is 70$, with my insurance. So I suppose it would be even more, plus the actual cost of the drugs. It's a lot of money that I don't exactly have. I could take out a medical loan, but then I'd be in debt and broke. Have to think about this. But thanks for the idea. Current Meds: Klonopin 1.9 mg (anxiety /insomnia) 10 years, began taper then stopped. Currently forced to drop to 1.5 mg. Remeron 7.5 mg (insomnia, nausea, GI issues) stopped taper Propylthiouracil 25 mg (for Graves') Past Meds: Lexapro 10 mg, CT 1.5 years ago without researching. Taken for 9 years. Trazadone 300 mg (insomnia), lowered BP, suffered vasovagal syncope, a fall required surgery for dental trauma. Propranolol, 10 mg, during hospitalization for hyperthyroidism, 3.5 weeks, then switched to Cartia for 3 weeks. Dr C/T both. Link to comment
alizarin Posted September 26, 2014 Author Share Posted September 26, 2014 Someone had to drive me to the oral surgeon's today. Whilst I was in that car, sleep deprived, all I could do was watch the seemingly healthy passers-by, and I was overcome by depersonalization and derealization. It became worse when I saw, for the first time in months, "healthy" people working at the surgeon's office. I cannot believe I am the person that stares back at me in the mirror. Facing the deterioration, literally, spawns depersonalization. Following this come the intrusive thoughts like" this is how you will die", "you will never sleep well again", or "you'll always be sick". I try to block the thoughts, but they are aggressive. Yet I recall I never had this when I was able to sleep. Current Meds: Klonopin 1.9 mg (anxiety /insomnia) 10 years, began taper then stopped. Currently forced to drop to 1.5 mg. Remeron 7.5 mg (insomnia, nausea, GI issues) stopped taper Propylthiouracil 25 mg (for Graves') Past Meds: Lexapro 10 mg, CT 1.5 years ago without researching. Taken for 9 years. Trazadone 300 mg (insomnia), lowered BP, suffered vasovagal syncope, a fall required surgery for dental trauma. Propranolol, 10 mg, during hospitalization for hyperthyroidism, 3.5 weeks, then switched to Cartia for 3 weeks. Dr C/T both. Link to comment
Meimeiquest Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 You might check with your county government. Many have free/reduced cost mental health clinics that provide both prescribers and drugs. 1st round Prozac 1989/90, clear depression symptoms. 2nd round Prozac started 1999 when admitted to dr. I was tired. Prozac pooped out, switch to Cymbalta 3/2006. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder due to mania 6/2006--then I was taken abruptly off Cymbalta and didn't know I had SSRI withdrawal. Lots of meds for my intractable "bipolar" symptoms. Zyprexa started about 9/06, mostly 5mg. Tapered 4/12 through12/29/12 Wellbutrin. XL 300 mg started 1/07, tapered 1/18/13 through 7/8/13 Oxazepam mostly continuously since 6/06, 30mg since 12/12, tapered 1.17.14 through 8.26.15 11/06 Lithium 600mg twice daily, 2.2.14 400mg TID DIY liquid, 2.12.14 1150mg, 3.2.14 1100mg, 3.18.14 1075mg, 4/14 updose to 1100mg, 6.1.14 900 mg capsules 7.8.14 810mg, 8.17.14 725mg, 8.24.24 700mg...10.22.14 487.5mg, 3.9.15 475mg, 4.1.15 462.5mg 4.21.15 450mg 8.11.15 375mg, 11.28.15 362.5mg, back to 375mg four days later, 3.4.16 updose to 475 (too much going on to risk trouble) 9/4/13 Toprol-XL 25mg daily for sudden hypertension, tapered 11.12.13 through 5.3.14, last 10 days or so switched to atenolol 7.4.14 Started Walsh Protocol 56 years old Link to comment
alizarin Posted September 27, 2014 Author Share Posted September 27, 2014 I'm afraid I'll end up hospitalized if I cannot sleep soon. Current Meds: Klonopin 1.9 mg (anxiety /insomnia) 10 years, began taper then stopped. Currently forced to drop to 1.5 mg. Remeron 7.5 mg (insomnia, nausea, GI issues) stopped taper Propylthiouracil 25 mg (for Graves') Past Meds: Lexapro 10 mg, CT 1.5 years ago without researching. Taken for 9 years. Trazadone 300 mg (insomnia), lowered BP, suffered vasovagal syncope, a fall required surgery for dental trauma. Propranolol, 10 mg, during hospitalization for hyperthyroidism, 3.5 weeks, then switched to Cartia for 3 weeks. Dr C/T both. Link to comment
alizarin Posted September 27, 2014 Author Share Posted September 27, 2014 Should I deny the Seroquel a psychiatrist is offering me, along with Ativan, in order to get some sleep? I had an appointment this morning, it was either that or hospitalization as I'm getting quite desperate. Of course, the psychiatrist says she'll "have her hands tied" if I don't accept her help. A question for Alto, if you may be so kind as to answer: you mentioned my issue could have been caused by a precipitous change in drugs during hospitalization. I tend to agree with this since that's how I stopped sleeping initially. Do you know of anyone on this forum who might have experienced this and most importantly, is this curable? Thank you so much in advance. Current Meds: Klonopin 1.9 mg (anxiety /insomnia) 10 years, began taper then stopped. Currently forced to drop to 1.5 mg. Remeron 7.5 mg (insomnia, nausea, GI issues) stopped taper Propylthiouracil 25 mg (for Graves') Past Meds: Lexapro 10 mg, CT 1.5 years ago without researching. Taken for 9 years. Trazadone 300 mg (insomnia), lowered BP, suffered vasovagal syncope, a fall required surgery for dental trauma. Propranolol, 10 mg, during hospitalization for hyperthyroidism, 3.5 weeks, then switched to Cartia for 3 weeks. Dr C/T both. Link to comment
alizarin Posted September 27, 2014 Author Share Posted September 27, 2014 Question: lately, for the past week or so, I've been getting cortisol surges at approximately 2-3 am. I never had these before. Could this be due to the Remeron? Current Meds: Klonopin 1.9 mg (anxiety /insomnia) 10 years, began taper then stopped. Currently forced to drop to 1.5 mg. Remeron 7.5 mg (insomnia, nausea, GI issues) stopped taper Propylthiouracil 25 mg (for Graves') Past Meds: Lexapro 10 mg, CT 1.5 years ago without researching. Taken for 9 years. Trazadone 300 mg (insomnia), lowered BP, suffered vasovagal syncope, a fall required surgery for dental trauma. Propranolol, 10 mg, during hospitalization for hyperthyroidism, 3.5 weeks, then switched to Cartia for 3 weeks. Dr C/T both. Link to comment
alizarin Posted September 28, 2014 Author Share Posted September 28, 2014 It literally feels like I'm dying. I have tried, but I honestly give up trying to look for help. I'm done. Current Meds: Klonopin 1.9 mg (anxiety /insomnia) 10 years, began taper then stopped. Currently forced to drop to 1.5 mg. Remeron 7.5 mg (insomnia, nausea, GI issues) stopped taper Propylthiouracil 25 mg (for Graves') Past Meds: Lexapro 10 mg, CT 1.5 years ago without researching. Taken for 9 years. Trazadone 300 mg (insomnia), lowered BP, suffered vasovagal syncope, a fall required surgery for dental trauma. Propranolol, 10 mg, during hospitalization for hyperthyroidism, 3.5 weeks, then switched to Cartia for 3 weeks. Dr C/T both. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus bubble Posted September 29, 2014 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted September 29, 2014 I'm very sorry things are so very bad AT THE MOMENT. Things will for sure get better. The most important thing at the moment is, no matter how hard it is, to do whatever it takes not to give in to despair. And not to be so scared of what is going on. Fear makes things 10 times worse. I often remember that people can survive/manage on very little sleep while waiting for their natural rhythm to re-establish. I found what MeiMeisaid very helpful. But I Totally understand how difficult it is to think like that under your present circumstances. I don't know if I or someone else said this before but looking at your drug history (and also as soemone who has witnessed just how nasty Lexapro can be), I would say that along with those medication you took in May, you are still suffering from Lexapro WD. Instead of managing withdrawal symptoms with reinstating Lex, doctors treated withdrawal symptoms without targeting the main cause. This is just my guess but despite all those attempts at managing individual withdrawal symptoms I think you are still suffering from stopping a powerful drug you were taking for 9 years. I fear these drugs badly and I'm not sure anyone can tell how you would react to Seroquel. I just hope you are not trying to reduce any drugs now. I'm glad you were advised of the ways you can get the drugs even if you lose the insurance. I still find it hard to believe how cruel America is ;( Here people who are poor get medical insurance for free (Although our economy will collapse). Do you maybe have any family or friends that could help you out while you are healing? I'm sorry I can be of more help. I just want to send you a message that people do recover and you will recover for sure, no doubt about that. It's just a matter of time. Current: 9/2022 Xanax 0.08, Lexapro 2 2020 Xanax 0.26 (down from 2 mg in 2013), Lexapro 2.85 mg (down from 5 mg 2013) Amitriptyline (tricyclic AD) and clonazepam for 3 months to treat headache in 1996 1999. - present Xanax prn up to 3 mg. 2000-2005 Prozac CT twice, 2005-2010 Zoloft CT 3 times, 2010-2013 Escitalopram 10 mg went from 2.5 to zero on 7 Aug 2013, bad crash 40 days afterreinstated to 5 mg Escitalopram 4Oct 2013 and holding liquid Xanax every 5 hours 28 Jan 2014 Xanax 1.9, 18 Apr 2015 1 mg, 25 June 2015 Lex 4.8, 6 Aug Lexapro 4.6, 1 Jan 2016 0.64 Xanax 9 month hold 24 Sept 2016 4.5 Lex, 17 Oct 4.4 Lex (Nov 0.63 Xanax, Dec 0.625 Xanax), 1 Jan 2017 4.3 Lex, 24 Jan 4.2, 5 Feb 4.1, 24 Mar 4 mg, 10 Apr 3.9 mg, May 3.85, June 3.8, July 3.75, 22 July 3.7, 15 Aug 3.65, 17 Sept 3.6, 1 Jan 2018 3.55, 19 Jan 3.5, 16 Mar 3.4, 14 Apr 3.3, 23 May 3.2, 16 June 3.15, 15 Jul 3.1, 31 Jul 3, 21 Aug 2.9 26 Sept 2.85, 14 Nov Xan 0.61, 1 Dec 0.59, 19 Dec 0.58, 4 Jan 0.565, 6 Feb 0.55, 20 Feb 0.535, 1 Mar 0.505, 10 Mar 0.475, 14 Mar 0.45, 4 Apr 0.415, 13 Apr 0.37, 21 Apr 0.33, 29 Apr 0.29, 10 May 0.27, 17 May 0.25, 28 May 0.22, 19 June 0.22, 21 Jun updose to 0.24, 24 Jun updose to 0.26 Supplements: Omega 3 + Vit E, Vit C, D, magnesium, Taurine, probiotic I'm not a medical professional. Any advice I give is based on my own experience and reading. Link to comment
alizarin Posted September 30, 2014 Author Share Posted September 30, 2014 I'm very sorry things are so very bad AT THE MOMENT. Things will for sure get better. The most important thing at the moment is, no matter how hard it is, to do whatever it takes not to give in to despair. And not to be so scared of what is going on. Fear makes things 10 times worse. I often remember that people can survive/manage on very little sleep while waiting for their natural rhythm to re-establish. I found what MeiMeisaid very helpful. But I Totally understand how difficult it is to think like that under your present circumstances. I don't know if I or someone else said this before but looking at your drug history (and also as soemone who has witnessed just how nasty Lexapro can be), I would say that along with those medication you took in May, you are still suffering from Lexapro WD. Instead of managing withdrawal symptoms with reinstating Lex, doctors treated withdrawal symptoms without targeting the main cause. This is just my guess but despite all those attempts at managing individual withdrawal symptoms I think you are still suffering from stopping a powerful drug you were taking for 9 years. I fear these drugs badly and I'm not sure anyone can tell how you would react to Seroquel. I just hope you are not trying to reduce any drugs now. I'm glad you were advised of the ways you can get the drugs even if you lose the insurance. I still find it hard to believe how cruel America is ;( Here people who are poor get medical insurance for free (Although our economy will collapse). Do you maybe have any family or friends that could help you out while you are healing? I'm sorry I can be of more help. I just want to send you a message that people do recover and you will recover for sure, no doubt about that. It's just a matter of time. I'm scared as to how long this will persist. Months, years? And no, I don't have any family. All are dead, including my best friend (mother) who I lost to pancreatic cancer 2 years ago. No siblings. No extended family. And no friends in this city. So to answer your question, no, there's no available help. That's why I came here. Thanks for your time. P.S. Bubble, if you were me, would you reinstate Lexapro at a small dose?? Keeping in mind, of course, that the only w/d symptom I can NO longer deal with, is insomnia. So, in other words, if reinstating won't help sleep, I suppose it'd be useless for me. I mean, I went through Lexapro w/d while working. The thing that kills me, literally is this 6 month insomnia. Current Meds: Klonopin 1.9 mg (anxiety /insomnia) 10 years, began taper then stopped. Currently forced to drop to 1.5 mg. Remeron 7.5 mg (insomnia, nausea, GI issues) stopped taper Propylthiouracil 25 mg (for Graves') Past Meds: Lexapro 10 mg, CT 1.5 years ago without researching. Taken for 9 years. Trazadone 300 mg (insomnia), lowered BP, suffered vasovagal syncope, a fall required surgery for dental trauma. Propranolol, 10 mg, during hospitalization for hyperthyroidism, 3.5 weeks, then switched to Cartia for 3 weeks. Dr C/T both. Link to comment
Skylarblue75 Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I FEEL YOUR PAIN, going on 25 months of insomnia. I never had any problems with my sleep prior to taking an AD and while on the 10 years of Celexa. I can tell you benzo w/d is hell on earth, I wish I never had touched Ativan/Klonopin or any other mind altering drug. Nothing helps my insomnia,I have become so sensitive to meds and supplements it's insane. Let's put it this way 12.5mgs of Benedryl would put me in a 2 day coma, now 100mgs of Benedryl barely knocks me out, it makes me feel hung over and makes my w/d symptoms even worse. I struggle everyday like you and I have 3 small boys to care for with no family support. I totally understand, it stinks. I'm to the point where I want to take the big rubber mallet that I have and take it to my head to try to knock me out. I miss napping and sleeping 10-12 hours a night, and I don't do well without sleep. Your not alone in this horrible battle. Hugs! Spring of 1998 place on birth control pills for irregular bleeding, high testosterone and one ovarian cyst, stayed on until April 2004, told to take hormone holiday, conceived first son 4 months later-VERY BIG SUPRISE, was told wouldn't be able to have childern or would need reproductive doctor to help. Got pregnant again 2006 with second son easily, then was on/off birthcontrol again until October 2011, concieved 3rd son in October 2011(tried many times to get pregant again when 2nd child was close to 2yrs, hormone problems started again after 2nd child, along with thyroid enlargement. Spring of 2001 celexa 10 mgs-rx'd by pcp for complaints of chronic fatigue, irritability and weight gain, stayed on until June 2005, switched to Lexapro 20mgs for PPD, stayed on Lexapro 6-7 months, couldn't afford to see psyh dr. and Lexapro, saw PCP switched back to 20mgs celexa in 2007, remained on until November 2011, was c/t off due to 3rd pregnancy, baby had umbilical cord defect, seemed ok during pregnancy, except for crying jags here and there. Our miracle baby was born July 20th 2012, healthy except with reflux. One month later the anxiety,restlessness,horrible crying, insomnia and the deepest depression ever. That started the psyh drug nightmare-benzo's,antidepressants, sleeping pills, mood stablizers. Nothing help made me worse, doctors just kept changing the meds frequently. 4 mental health hospitalizations, rapid detox off benzos Jan 2013, horrible withdrawal and still suffering withdrawal symptoms NO ONE BELIEVES ME, I feel like ive been on one consistant drug withdrawal for the past 2 years January 2014 slow titrate up of lexapro to 20 mgs-horrible side effects!!, was just rapidly taper by current pysh off to pursade me to try an MAOI-no way!!! Was told should consider ECT Link to comment
alizarin Posted October 2, 2014 Author Share Posted October 2, 2014 Hi Skylar, Do you have to work? I'm finding that sleep or no sleep, I'm going to HAVE to, somehow, return to work. But how? Do you sleep at all? Thanks for your time Current Meds: Klonopin 1.9 mg (anxiety /insomnia) 10 years, began taper then stopped. Currently forced to drop to 1.5 mg. Remeron 7.5 mg (insomnia, nausea, GI issues) stopped taper Propylthiouracil 25 mg (for Graves') Past Meds: Lexapro 10 mg, CT 1.5 years ago without researching. Taken for 9 years. Trazadone 300 mg (insomnia), lowered BP, suffered vasovagal syncope, a fall required surgery for dental trauma. Propranolol, 10 mg, during hospitalization for hyperthyroidism, 3.5 weeks, then switched to Cartia for 3 weeks. Dr C/T both. Link to comment
andy Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Alizarin I'm going through terrible insomnia at the moment,I work it's hard but somehow you learn to manage Keep strong 2012 put on Citalopram and diazepam for 3 months for "depression" after filling in a 3 minute form at the doctors, had a massive reaction with panic attacks and extreme anxiety,never suffered panic attacks or anxiety before citalopram.Told to quit cold turkey which led to two hospital admissions during 2012/2013 December for 6 months Seroquel dosage adjusted up and down 50mg ,150mg ,100mg, caused severe tinnitus ,told to quit cold turkey 2013 January for 12 months Lorazapam given to me like sweets,told to quit cold turkey 2013 May Zoloft for 6 months ,told to quit cold turkey, reinstated 50mg tapered 2nd time over a month (to fast but I survived)messed up my sleep Zyprexa April 2103 5mg until august 2014 ,dropped by doctor down to 2.5mg for one month went well but sleep was very poor for 3 weeks End of 2015 I had to reinstate back up to 5mg due to constant insomnia that wouldnt go away Started a slow taper and found an understanding doctor who listened to me while I reducedMay 2016 drug free, sleeping and doing well in life again, it can be done http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/12078-finally-off-zyprexa/ Link to comment
alizarin Posted October 8, 2014 Author Share Posted October 8, 2014 Went to endocrinologist as bloodwork had shown I went from normal to hypo (was previously hyper), because doctor cannot manage to lower doses of antithyroid drugs effectively. So now I'm told not to take more antithyroid drugs until Sunday. Come Sunday, I need to only take 1 50 mg pill in the mornings. This is good because I won't be on as much medication but bad because I was holding and changing nothing like I was told here to do. Afraid insomnia will get worse. Also, very afraid of the benzo situation and the Remeron. Current Meds: Klonopin 1.9 mg (anxiety /insomnia) 10 years, began taper then stopped. Currently forced to drop to 1.5 mg. Remeron 7.5 mg (insomnia, nausea, GI issues) stopped taper Propylthiouracil 25 mg (for Graves') Past Meds: Lexapro 10 mg, CT 1.5 years ago without researching. Taken for 9 years. Trazadone 300 mg (insomnia), lowered BP, suffered vasovagal syncope, a fall required surgery for dental trauma. Propranolol, 10 mg, during hospitalization for hyperthyroidism, 3.5 weeks, then switched to Cartia for 3 weeks. Dr C/T both. Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted October 8, 2014 Administrator Share Posted October 8, 2014 Did your endocrinologist make a mistake? This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Meimeiquest Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 It seems like your thyroid is front and center for this. You might want to PM Karma, she is quite the thyroid expert. 1st round Prozac 1989/90, clear depression symptoms. 2nd round Prozac started 1999 when admitted to dr. I was tired. Prozac pooped out, switch to Cymbalta 3/2006. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder due to mania 6/2006--then I was taken abruptly off Cymbalta and didn't know I had SSRI withdrawal. Lots of meds for my intractable "bipolar" symptoms. Zyprexa started about 9/06, mostly 5mg. Tapered 4/12 through12/29/12 Wellbutrin. XL 300 mg started 1/07, tapered 1/18/13 through 7/8/13 Oxazepam mostly continuously since 6/06, 30mg since 12/12, tapered 1.17.14 through 8.26.15 11/06 Lithium 600mg twice daily, 2.2.14 400mg TID DIY liquid, 2.12.14 1150mg, 3.2.14 1100mg, 3.18.14 1075mg, 4/14 updose to 1100mg, 6.1.14 900 mg capsules 7.8.14 810mg, 8.17.14 725mg, 8.24.24 700mg...10.22.14 487.5mg, 3.9.15 475mg, 4.1.15 462.5mg 4.21.15 450mg 8.11.15 375mg, 11.28.15 362.5mg, back to 375mg four days later, 3.4.16 updose to 475 (too much going on to risk trouble) 9/4/13 Toprol-XL 25mg daily for sudden hypertension, tapered 11.12.13 through 5.3.14, last 10 days or so switched to atenolol 7.4.14 Started Walsh Protocol 56 years old Link to comment
alizarin Posted October 9, 2014 Author Share Posted October 9, 2014 Did your endocrinologist make a mistake? Well, not precisely, but on our last appointment, I was already bordering on hypothyroidism, and yet he refrained from removing sufficient medication. So in a month's time, I had gone from borderline hypo to full-blown hypo (present). So as a result, I have to stop taking anti-thyroid meds until Sunday, and then continue with only 50 mgs until bloodwork on the 29th. This is what he wants. What's happened is that the hypo has augmented symptoms of depresssion and ideation (even worse than what I've had) along with severe concentration problems. Current Meds: Klonopin 1.9 mg (anxiety /insomnia) 10 years, began taper then stopped. Currently forced to drop to 1.5 mg. Remeron 7.5 mg (insomnia, nausea, GI issues) stopped taper Propylthiouracil 25 mg (for Graves') Past Meds: Lexapro 10 mg, CT 1.5 years ago without researching. Taken for 9 years. Trazadone 300 mg (insomnia), lowered BP, suffered vasovagal syncope, a fall required surgery for dental trauma. Propranolol, 10 mg, during hospitalization for hyperthyroidism, 3.5 weeks, then switched to Cartia for 3 weeks. Dr C/T both. Link to comment
alizarin Posted October 9, 2014 Author Share Posted October 9, 2014 It seems like your thyroid is front and center for this. You might want to PM Karma, she is quite the thyroid expert. Well, I know what my blood tests are like, but what should I ask her? Edit: I just PMed her, btw. Thank you. Current Meds: Klonopin 1.9 mg (anxiety /insomnia) 10 years, began taper then stopped. Currently forced to drop to 1.5 mg. Remeron 7.5 mg (insomnia, nausea, GI issues) stopped taper Propylthiouracil 25 mg (for Graves') Past Meds: Lexapro 10 mg, CT 1.5 years ago without researching. Taken for 9 years. Trazadone 300 mg (insomnia), lowered BP, suffered vasovagal syncope, a fall required surgery for dental trauma. Propranolol, 10 mg, during hospitalization for hyperthyroidism, 3.5 weeks, then switched to Cartia for 3 weeks. Dr C/T both. Link to comment
alizarin Posted October 9, 2014 Author Share Posted October 9, 2014 Also, I don't know what is causing the CRIPPLING FEAR I'm currently experiencing, but it's unimaginable. I fear for my life, my safety, my sanity, my future, my goals. Current Meds: Klonopin 1.9 mg (anxiety /insomnia) 10 years, began taper then stopped. Currently forced to drop to 1.5 mg. Remeron 7.5 mg (insomnia, nausea, GI issues) stopped taper Propylthiouracil 25 mg (for Graves') Past Meds: Lexapro 10 mg, CT 1.5 years ago without researching. Taken for 9 years. Trazadone 300 mg (insomnia), lowered BP, suffered vasovagal syncope, a fall required surgery for dental trauma. Propranolol, 10 mg, during hospitalization for hyperthyroidism, 3.5 weeks, then switched to Cartia for 3 weeks. Dr C/T both. Link to comment
Meimeiquest Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 It seems like your thyroid is front and center for this. You might want to PM Karma, she is quite the thyroid expert. Well, I know what my blood tests are like, but what should I ask her? If you want, post all your lab work with dates in your thread and just send her a pm asking her to read your thread and give you her opinion. I am no expert at all on it, but I have heard that swings back and forth can occur in the early phase of Hashimoto's. Which could really, really mess you up. 1st round Prozac 1989/90, clear depression symptoms. 2nd round Prozac started 1999 when admitted to dr. I was tired. Prozac pooped out, switch to Cymbalta 3/2006. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder due to mania 6/2006--then I was taken abruptly off Cymbalta and didn't know I had SSRI withdrawal. Lots of meds for my intractable "bipolar" symptoms. Zyprexa started about 9/06, mostly 5mg. Tapered 4/12 through12/29/12 Wellbutrin. XL 300 mg started 1/07, tapered 1/18/13 through 7/8/13 Oxazepam mostly continuously since 6/06, 30mg since 12/12, tapered 1.17.14 through 8.26.15 11/06 Lithium 600mg twice daily, 2.2.14 400mg TID DIY liquid, 2.12.14 1150mg, 3.2.14 1100mg, 3.18.14 1075mg, 4/14 updose to 1100mg, 6.1.14 900 mg capsules 7.8.14 810mg, 8.17.14 725mg, 8.24.24 700mg...10.22.14 487.5mg, 3.9.15 475mg, 4.1.15 462.5mg 4.21.15 450mg 8.11.15 375mg, 11.28.15 362.5mg, back to 375mg four days later, 3.4.16 updose to 475 (too much going on to risk trouble) 9/4/13 Toprol-XL 25mg daily for sudden hypertension, tapered 11.12.13 through 5.3.14, last 10 days or so switched to atenolol 7.4.14 Started Walsh Protocol 56 years old Link to comment
alizarin Posted October 9, 2014 Author Share Posted October 9, 2014 It seems like your thyroid is front and center for this. You might want to PM Karma, she is quite the thyroid expert.Well, I know what my blood tests are like, but what should I ask her? If you want, post all your lab work with dates in your thread and just send her a pm asking her to read your thread and give you her opinion. I am no expert at all on it, but I have heard that swings back and forth can occur in the early phase of Hashimoto's. Which could really, really mess you up. Ok. collection date: 9/23/14 t3 total= 74 (low); range= 76-181 free t4= 0.6 (low); range=0.8-1.8 t4= 3.4 (low); range=4.5-12.0 tsh= 11.32 (high); range=0.4-4.5 PREVIOUSLY (collection date: 8/8/14) I was almost hypo t3 total= 62 (low); range= 76-181 free t4= 0.7 (low); 0.8-1.8 free t3= 2.3 (in range… barely); 2.3-4.2 t4= 4.6; range=4.5-12.0 tsh=2.26; range= 0.4-4.5 BEFORE that, I was normal and still before that, I was hyper. The problem is that my endocrinologist did not reduce the sufficient amount of anti-thyroid meds on time, so i became extremely hypo. To reiterate, due to med induced hypothyroidism, I am instructed to cease anti-thyroid meds until this Sunday, then continue with 1 tablet of 50 mgs Propylthiouracil (PTU). Before that, I was on THRICE the dose. I was initially diagnosed with Graves'/ hyperthyroidism in my 20s. Extraneous info: Doc did not seem to care about dental/ facial trauma caused by low BP/ vasovagal syncope and Trazadone. He made no remarks. He did however, ask why I am still not sleeping, even as a hypo patient. Really??? The change in anti-thyroid drugs has thrown my system off. I feel heightened DP/DR and depression. But I DO have to admit that I was sleeping a few minutes more when I was overmedicated with the anti-thyroid drugs. Current Meds: Klonopin 1.9 mg (anxiety /insomnia) 10 years, began taper then stopped. Currently forced to drop to 1.5 mg. Remeron 7.5 mg (insomnia, nausea, GI issues) stopped taper Propylthiouracil 25 mg (for Graves') Past Meds: Lexapro 10 mg, CT 1.5 years ago without researching. Taken for 9 years. Trazadone 300 mg (insomnia), lowered BP, suffered vasovagal syncope, a fall required surgery for dental trauma. Propranolol, 10 mg, during hospitalization for hyperthyroidism, 3.5 weeks, then switched to Cartia for 3 weeks. Dr C/T both. Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted October 10, 2014 Administrator Share Posted October 10, 2014 If I were you, I'd find a new endocrinologist. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
alizarin Posted October 11, 2014 Author Share Posted October 11, 2014 If I were you, I'd find a new endocrinologist. I have tried to, all endos here want to obliterate my thyroid via RAI. Current Meds: Klonopin 1.9 mg (anxiety /insomnia) 10 years, began taper then stopped. Currently forced to drop to 1.5 mg. Remeron 7.5 mg (insomnia, nausea, GI issues) stopped taper Propylthiouracil 25 mg (for Graves') Past Meds: Lexapro 10 mg, CT 1.5 years ago without researching. Taken for 9 years. Trazadone 300 mg (insomnia), lowered BP, suffered vasovagal syncope, a fall required surgery for dental trauma. Propranolol, 10 mg, during hospitalization for hyperthyroidism, 3.5 weeks, then switched to Cartia for 3 weeks. Dr C/T both. Link to comment
alizarin Posted October 11, 2014 Author Share Posted October 11, 2014 Had to go to psychiatrist to have Remeron refilled. Doc asked why I was still taking it if it wasn't working for me. She was also very eager to cross me over from Klonopin to Restoril. I was so scared. I need to stay on the Remeron so I can safely taper off of it when my body's ready and C/O from Klonopin to Restoril is dangerous, very dangerous. Ashton recommends Valium and even then it's gradual. She says what I now have is "psychological insomnia". I only ask for the courage and intelligence necessary to heal myself in spite of the damage that can be inflicted by these doctors. Current Meds: Klonopin 1.9 mg (anxiety /insomnia) 10 years, began taper then stopped. Currently forced to drop to 1.5 mg. Remeron 7.5 mg (insomnia, nausea, GI issues) stopped taper Propylthiouracil 25 mg (for Graves') Past Meds: Lexapro 10 mg, CT 1.5 years ago without researching. Taken for 9 years. Trazadone 300 mg (insomnia), lowered BP, suffered vasovagal syncope, a fall required surgery for dental trauma. Propranolol, 10 mg, during hospitalization for hyperthyroidism, 3.5 weeks, then switched to Cartia for 3 weeks. Dr C/T both. Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted October 11, 2014 Administrator Share Posted October 11, 2014 A good doctor of any type is hard to find. Next time you see that psychiatrist, you might firmly and respectfully disagree about her opinion of "psychological insomnia." Any doctor can prescribe Remeron or Klonopin, it doesn't have to be a psychiatrist. Crossing over to Restoril makes no sense at all. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
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