Ssriwarrior Posted January 23, 2015 Author Share Posted January 23, 2015 So I'm thinking its a bad idea, but the new pdoc suggested adding 1 dose of Prozac, 1/4th of a 10mg tab to help with withdrawal symtpoms. Someone tell me that's wrong? Not sure how that would help with insomnia but as usual I'm so desperate anything sounds like a panacea. Also has anyone every started on a thyroid medication while in withdrawal?? She seems to think we need to address my hypothyroidism which I never took medication for and was wondering if anyone had experience with it. HISTORY: Lexapro 10mg (current and for approximately 7 years; Prozac 20mg for 5 years and Zoloft 50mg for 5 years) Lexapro (too fast taper) 9mg 09/13; 8mg 10/13; 7mg 12/13; 6mg 02/14; 5mg 04/14; 4mg 06/14 2.5mg 08/29/14 2.25 mg 12/04/14; Re-instatement - 2.5mg 12/17/14; 03/01/15 3.0 mg; 04/01/15 - 5mg; 05/01/15 6mg; 5/15/15 6.5mg 6/01/15 7.5mg 2nd attempt at micro taper: starting dose is 7.5mg using liquid compounded rx: 12/16/17 - 7mg; 02/05/18 - 6.75mg 04/06/18 - 6.5ml 05/31/18 re-instate back to 6.75mg Link to comment
Member cymbaltawithdrawal5600 Posted January 23, 2015 Member Share Posted January 23, 2015 That is pretty much of a bad idea but the doc has nothing else to suggest but more and different medication. There are no drugs that will take withdrawal syndrome away and many things you could take that will definitely make you feel worse. Including an activating AD to treat insomnia. Search the Symptoms forum for people's experiences with thyroid meds. I am just wondering if being a bit hypothyroid might be a bit of an advantage right now. If you decide to start treating for it be careful your thyroid does not get too activated. What happened and how I arrived here: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4243-cymbaltawithdrawal5600-introduction/#entry50878 July 2016 I have decided to leave my story here at SA unfinished. I have left my contact information in my profile for anyone who wishes to talk to me. I have a posting history spanning nearly 4 years and 3000+ posts all over the site. Thank you to all who participated in my recovery. I'll miss talking to you but know that I'll be cheering you on from the sidelines, suffering and rejoicing with you in spirit, as you go on in your journey. Link to comment
Ssriwarrior Posted January 26, 2015 Author Share Posted January 26, 2015 I can't find much on the thread about starting a thyroid med while in withdrawal. I'm "severely" hypothyroid and the doctor wants to start me on 15mg of Armour thyroid. I had Hashimoto's after I gave birth and never took medication for it because I thought it was related to pregnancy. So the doctor says this has been an ongoing issue that needs to be addressed, but this doctor also doesn't believe in protracted withdrawal. Here's a list of my newest symptoms: -insomnia (which I never had prior to taper) -missed period (took pregnancy test, almost a month late not pregnant! - cycles used to be very consistent) -suicidal depression -extreme food sensitivities (new ones starting, have been gluten intolerant for years, now sugar/dairy/soy/ and maybe tree nuts??) -green sludge poop (sorry, gross) -gas and bloating -"extreme" hypothyroidism (was low back in September) slightly starting to give up hope here. this feels like it will go on forever, and I'm contemplating quitting my job if I don't start resting soon. my friends and family are obviously starting to notice that something is up with me given my quietness and dark circles under my eyes. it feels like I can't live in this society anymore. I so desperately want to be a mom, but feel like I'm failing my daughter by just existing. HISTORY: Lexapro 10mg (current and for approximately 7 years; Prozac 20mg for 5 years and Zoloft 50mg for 5 years) Lexapro (too fast taper) 9mg 09/13; 8mg 10/13; 7mg 12/13; 6mg 02/14; 5mg 04/14; 4mg 06/14 2.5mg 08/29/14 2.25 mg 12/04/14; Re-instatement - 2.5mg 12/17/14; 03/01/15 3.0 mg; 04/01/15 - 5mg; 05/01/15 6mg; 5/15/15 6.5mg 6/01/15 7.5mg 2nd attempt at micro taper: starting dose is 7.5mg using liquid compounded rx: 12/16/17 - 7mg; 02/05/18 - 6.75mg 04/06/18 - 6.5ml 05/31/18 re-instate back to 6.75mg Link to comment
wantrelief Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I just wanted to write to empathize as I am going through the same as you. We both updosed at around the same time. I haven't noticed any change in my symptoms either. I am trying to be patient but it is so hard to live this way. I am sorry you are feeling so badly too. I also feel like it is really difficult to live in society like this as much as I am trying to. Feel free to PM me if you need any support. -1/06 - 3/07 Cymbalta. Fast taper (essentially CT); withdrawal symptoms after 4 mos (didn't realize was WD) -10/07: 100 mg Zoloft; 1 mg Klonopin - tapered off Klonopin after 4 mos. Several unsuccessful slow tapers of Zoloft; went up and down in dose a lot -Spring 2013 back on 1 mg Klonopin to counter WD symptoms; switched over 5-6 mos from Zoloft to 35 mg citalopram -Two attempts at slow tapering citalopram, always increased dose due to WD; also increased Klonopin to 1.25 mg in 2014, then to 1.5 mg in 2015 -8/17-9/17: After holding one year at 20 mg, feeling withdrawal symptoms due to stress - slowly increased to 25 mg. No change in symptoms after 6 months (? tolerance ?) - decided to start citalopram taper February 2018 (still on Klonopin 1.5 mg). Supplements: fish oil; magnesium; vitamin D3; curcumin Citalopram taper: 2/2018 - 12/2019: 25 mg - 11.03 mg I 2020: 10.89 mg - 7.9 mg I 2021: 7.8 mg - 5.26 mg I 2022: 5.2 mg - 3.36 mg I 2023: 3.3 mg - 1.47 mg 2024: 1/5/24: 1.44 mg; 1/19/24: 1.40 mg; 1/26/24: 1.37 mg; 2/2/24: 1.34 mg; 2/9/24: 1.31 mg; 2/23/24: 1.28 mg; 3/1/24: 1.25 mg; 3/8/24: 1.22 mg; 3/15/24: 1.19 mg; 3/29/24: 1.17 mg; 4/5/24: 1.14 mg; 4/13/24: 1.11 mg; 4/20/24: 1.09 mg Link to comment
Ssriwarrior Posted January 31, 2015 Author Share Posted January 31, 2015 Just another update. Sleep continues to go up and down and I fear that the longer I wait to reinstate the less chance I have of it working. Even knowing of the power of holding to stabilize, I am suffering so much it seems like .25 could help....I don't think adding a thyroid medication or a different ssri is the answer at this point and it only seems like a tiny bit of what my brain knows could help. HISTORY: Lexapro 10mg (current and for approximately 7 years; Prozac 20mg for 5 years and Zoloft 50mg for 5 years) Lexapro (too fast taper) 9mg 09/13; 8mg 10/13; 7mg 12/13; 6mg 02/14; 5mg 04/14; 4mg 06/14 2.5mg 08/29/14 2.25 mg 12/04/14; Re-instatement - 2.5mg 12/17/14; 03/01/15 3.0 mg; 04/01/15 - 5mg; 05/01/15 6mg; 5/15/15 6.5mg 6/01/15 7.5mg 2nd attempt at micro taper: starting dose is 7.5mg using liquid compounded rx: 12/16/17 - 7mg; 02/05/18 - 6.75mg 04/06/18 - 6.5ml 05/31/18 re-instate back to 6.75mg Link to comment
LexAnger Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Hi sw, I up dose quite few times in the past even after much longer holding. Small dose increase like 0.25 never gave me big problem. If you really feel the need to increase, my guess is it should be fine in terms of reaction to drug. Just don't jump and hold before further changes. I always feel safer and easier to stay with one drug. Drug free Sep. 23 2017 2009 Mar.: lexapro 10mg for headache for 2 weeks. 2009-2012: on and off 1/4 to 1/3 of 10mg 2012 June--2013 Jan,: 1/4-1/3 of 10mg generic, bad jaw pain 2013 Jan-Mar: 10 mg generic. severe jaw and head pain; 2013 Mar--Aug. started tapering (liquid ever since) from 10 to 5 (one step) then gradually down to 2.25 mg by July. first ever panic attack, severe head/jaw pain 2013 Aug.: back to 2.75 mg; Nov: back to Brand Lex. 2.75mg -- 3mg, 2014 June: stopped PPI, head pressure/numbness. up-dosed 4.5mg, severe reaction mental symptoms added on 2014 Aug--2015 Aug: Micro taper down to 3.2mg, .025mg (<1%) cut holding 2-3 weeks. 2015 Aug 15th, Accidental one dose of 4.2mg. worsening brain non-functional, swollen head, body, coma like, DR 2016 Feb., started dosing 10am through 11 pm everyday 2/13--3.2mg, 3/15-- 2.9mg, 4/19-- 2.6mg, 6/26--2.2mg, 7/22 --1.9mg, 8/16--1.8mg，8/31--1.7m g, 9/13--1.6mg, 9/27--1.5mg, 10/8--1.4mg, 10/14--1.3mg， 11/1--1.2mg, 11/29--1.1mg, 12/12--1mg, 12/22--0.9mg 2017: 1/7--0.8mg, 1/15--0.7mg, 1/17--0.6mg, 1/20--0.52, 1/21--0.4mg, 1/22--0.26, 1/23--0.2, 2/13--0.13mg, 2/20--0.06mg, 3/18--0.13mg, 6/1--0.12mg, 7/6--0.1mg, 7/14--0.08mg, 8/17--0.04mg, 8/20--0.03mg, 8/28--0.02mg, 9/6--0.0205mg, 9/8--0.02mg, 9/17--0.015mg, 9/20--0.01mg, 9/21--0.0048mg, 9/22--0.0001mg, Link to comment
NoRx4Me Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 So I'm thinking its a bad idea, but the new pdoc suggested adding 1 dose of Prozac, 1/4th of a 10mg tab to help with withdrawal symtpoms. Someone tell me that's wrong? Not sure how that would help with insomnia but as usual I'm so desperate anything sounds like a panacea. Also has anyone every started on a thyroid medication while in withdrawal?? She seems to think we need to address my hypothyroidism which I never took medication for and was wondering if anyone had experience with it. What do you mean by "extreme" hypothyroidism? What is the TSH results? I have hypothyroidism (don't know which came first, the SSRI or the hypothyroid, since I was put on Zoloft before it was tested). When I was coming off psych meds, my TSH results went up and down, I kept adjusting the meds. Then once I was off all psych meds, I decided that I probably didn't need thyroid meds and now that I was off everything else, it would re-regulate itself. I was wrong! My TSH went up to 176 (normal is around .3 to 3.5, although some docs and labs say 5 is normal). If your TSH is close to normal, it may be fluctuating due to withdrawal and fix it self. I've heard about that happening with many people (one reason I thought I would be one of them), If it's really high, I'd take the meds. You will be surprised at the small amount of side effects listed and they will be relieved with dose adjustments. I say this as one of the most anti drug, anti doctor people you will find. I still get infuriated seeing Prilosec commercials. If you do take the meds, just make sure they check it regularly (every 8 weeks) while you are still coming off Lexapro and a few months after, cause things will change. If your TSH is close to 5, I'd consider waiting. Link to comment
Ssriwarrior Posted February 2, 2015 Author Share Posted February 2, 2015 I will post the values soon but I don't think it was nearly as extreme as what you describe norx. Soooo here's anothet question for you. Although I know adding more RX is a crapshoot if you were very desperate and looking for a sleep aid, which would you choose....a benzo or something like ambien? HISTORY: Lexapro 10mg (current and for approximately 7 years; Prozac 20mg for 5 years and Zoloft 50mg for 5 years) Lexapro (too fast taper) 9mg 09/13; 8mg 10/13; 7mg 12/13; 6mg 02/14; 5mg 04/14; 4mg 06/14 2.5mg 08/29/14 2.25 mg 12/04/14; Re-instatement - 2.5mg 12/17/14; 03/01/15 3.0 mg; 04/01/15 - 5mg; 05/01/15 6mg; 5/15/15 6.5mg 6/01/15 7.5mg 2nd attempt at micro taper: starting dose is 7.5mg using liquid compounded rx: 12/16/17 - 7mg; 02/05/18 - 6.75mg 04/06/18 - 6.5ml 05/31/18 re-instate back to 6.75mg Link to comment
Broken Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I can't find much on the thread about starting a thyroid med while in withdrawal. I'm "severely" hypothyroid and the doctor wants to start me on 15mg of Armour thyroid. I had Hashimoto's after I gave birth and never took medication for it because I thought it was related to pregnancy. So the doctor says this has been an ongoing issue that needs to be addressed, but this doctor also doesn't believe in protracted withdrawal. Here's a list of my newest symptoms: -insomnia (which I never had prior to taper) -missed period (took pregnancy test, almost a month late not pregnant! - cycles used to be very consistent) -suicidal depression -extreme food sensitivities (new ones starting, have been gluten intolerant for years, now sugar/dairy/soy/ and maybe tree nuts??) -green sludge poop (sorry, gross) -gas and bloating -"extreme" hypothyroidism (was low back in September) slightly starting to give up hope here. this feels like it will go on forever, and I'm contemplating quitting my job if I don't start resting soon. my friends and family are obviously starting to notice that something is up with me given my quietness and dark circles under my eyes. it feels like I can't live in this society anymore. I so desperately want to be a mom, but feel like I'm failing my daughter by just existing. By merely existing you have hope, hope that tomorrow will be a better day, a day when you'll be well enough to enjoy your daughter and she you! If you didn't exist, hope would die and without hope your daughter would pine for her mother. (I realise if you read my thread I might come across as being a little hypocritical) December 2008 Prescribed 20mg citalopram (celexa) for depression and OCD.July 2013 stopped taking citalopram (celexa). November 2013 reinstated citalopram (celexa) following replapse at 20mg for 4 weeks, 40mg for 4 weeks and tapered off over 4 weeks as my condition had deteriorated. February 2014 started 20mg of fluoxetine (prozac). Didn't tolerate it and stopped 4 weeks later, experienced no withdrawal. May 2014 started 25mg of sertraline (zoloft), increased to 50mg after 1 week. Remained at 50mg for 4 weeks before increasing to 100mg at the request of my psychiatrist despite advising of suicidal ideation for an additional week before stopping. Advised to drop to 50mg for 3 days before withdrawing altogether. I did as advised and horrendous withdrawal ensued. 11th August 2014 commenced escitalopram (lexapro), weaned off end of October 2014. Commenced Clonazepam December 2014 0.5mg twice daily, switched to Diazepam 10mg twice daily with a view to tapering of the benzodiazepine altogether. Tapering schedule presently at a reduction of 1mg of Diazepam every 1-2 weeks depending upon side effects. So far experienced no severe physical side effects except worsening of PGAD symptoms upon reduction which does seem to improve within a few days of doing so. Presently taking no antidepressants however still experiencing mild agitation, severe depression and PGAD which is currently being treated by a physiotherapist. Link to comment
Broken Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Something to help you get to sleep or stay asleep? December 2008 Prescribed 20mg citalopram (celexa) for depression and OCD.July 2013 stopped taking citalopram (celexa). November 2013 reinstated citalopram (celexa) following replapse at 20mg for 4 weeks, 40mg for 4 weeks and tapered off over 4 weeks as my condition had deteriorated. February 2014 started 20mg of fluoxetine (prozac). Didn't tolerate it and stopped 4 weeks later, experienced no withdrawal. May 2014 started 25mg of sertraline (zoloft), increased to 50mg after 1 week. Remained at 50mg for 4 weeks before increasing to 100mg at the request of my psychiatrist despite advising of suicidal ideation for an additional week before stopping. Advised to drop to 50mg for 3 days before withdrawing altogether. I did as advised and horrendous withdrawal ensued. 11th August 2014 commenced escitalopram (lexapro), weaned off end of October 2014. Commenced Clonazepam December 2014 0.5mg twice daily, switched to Diazepam 10mg twice daily with a view to tapering of the benzodiazepine altogether. Tapering schedule presently at a reduction of 1mg of Diazepam every 1-2 weeks depending upon side effects. So far experienced no severe physical side effects except worsening of PGAD symptoms upon reduction which does seem to improve within a few days of doing so. Presently taking no antidepressants however still experiencing mild agitation, severe depression and PGAD which is currently being treated by a physiotherapist. Link to comment
Ssriwarrior Posted February 3, 2015 Author Share Posted February 3, 2015 Stay asleep HISTORY: Lexapro 10mg (current and for approximately 7 years; Prozac 20mg for 5 years and Zoloft 50mg for 5 years) Lexapro (too fast taper) 9mg 09/13; 8mg 10/13; 7mg 12/13; 6mg 02/14; 5mg 04/14; 4mg 06/14 2.5mg 08/29/14 2.25 mg 12/04/14; Re-instatement - 2.5mg 12/17/14; 03/01/15 3.0 mg; 04/01/15 - 5mg; 05/01/15 6mg; 5/15/15 6.5mg 6/01/15 7.5mg 2nd attempt at micro taper: starting dose is 7.5mg using liquid compounded rx: 12/16/17 - 7mg; 02/05/18 - 6.75mg 04/06/18 - 6.5ml 05/31/18 re-instate back to 6.75mg Link to comment
Broken Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Can't comment on Ambien as I've never had the pleasure but I wouldn't recommend a benzo, at best they'll last maybe 4 hours and the dose you need will depend on your tolerance to it. I'm taking clonazepam currently and have taken diazepam in the past and they're not great AND incredibly addictive physiologically. Not worth the trouble trust me. I reckon the more relaxed (naturally) you are when you fall asleep the less likely you are to wake up shortly afterwards. December 2008 Prescribed 20mg citalopram (celexa) for depression and OCD.July 2013 stopped taking citalopram (celexa). November 2013 reinstated citalopram (celexa) following replapse at 20mg for 4 weeks, 40mg for 4 weeks and tapered off over 4 weeks as my condition had deteriorated. February 2014 started 20mg of fluoxetine (prozac). Didn't tolerate it and stopped 4 weeks later, experienced no withdrawal. May 2014 started 25mg of sertraline (zoloft), increased to 50mg after 1 week. Remained at 50mg for 4 weeks before increasing to 100mg at the request of my psychiatrist despite advising of suicidal ideation for an additional week before stopping. Advised to drop to 50mg for 3 days before withdrawing altogether. I did as advised and horrendous withdrawal ensued. 11th August 2014 commenced escitalopram (lexapro), weaned off end of October 2014. Commenced Clonazepam December 2014 0.5mg twice daily, switched to Diazepam 10mg twice daily with a view to tapering of the benzodiazepine altogether. Tapering schedule presently at a reduction of 1mg of Diazepam every 1-2 weeks depending upon side effects. So far experienced no severe physical side effects except worsening of PGAD symptoms upon reduction which does seem to improve within a few days of doing so. Presently taking no antidepressants however still experiencing mild agitation, severe depression and PGAD which is currently being treated by a physiotherapist. Link to comment
Broken Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Are you religious? December 2008 Prescribed 20mg citalopram (celexa) for depression and OCD.July 2013 stopped taking citalopram (celexa). November 2013 reinstated citalopram (celexa) following replapse at 20mg for 4 weeks, 40mg for 4 weeks and tapered off over 4 weeks as my condition had deteriorated. February 2014 started 20mg of fluoxetine (prozac). Didn't tolerate it and stopped 4 weeks later, experienced no withdrawal. May 2014 started 25mg of sertraline (zoloft), increased to 50mg after 1 week. Remained at 50mg for 4 weeks before increasing to 100mg at the request of my psychiatrist despite advising of suicidal ideation for an additional week before stopping. Advised to drop to 50mg for 3 days before withdrawing altogether. I did as advised and horrendous withdrawal ensued. 11th August 2014 commenced escitalopram (lexapro), weaned off end of October 2014. Commenced Clonazepam December 2014 0.5mg twice daily, switched to Diazepam 10mg twice daily with a view to tapering of the benzodiazepine altogether. Tapering schedule presently at a reduction of 1mg of Diazepam every 1-2 weeks depending upon side effects. So far experienced no severe physical side effects except worsening of PGAD symptoms upon reduction which does seem to improve within a few days of doing so. Presently taking no antidepressants however still experiencing mild agitation, severe depression and PGAD which is currently being treated by a physiotherapist. Link to comment
Ssriwarrior Posted February 3, 2015 Author Share Posted February 3, 2015 I am highly spiritual, but this whole experience leaves me aching for organized religion again. I'm in need of a community to support me through this. I have been praying so so much and discussing what happens when someone kills themselves with my yoga teachers. Not so good for Karma and will likely lead to even more suffering in the next life, but at this point getting a break from this torture feels like relief. It's been 5 months since I went from 4 to 2.5 and I'm going to reinstate .25 at the end of this week. I know it's a crap shoot, but I'm that desperate. My doc now wants to treat candida FIRST before starting the Armour and addressing the thyroid. I need something fast as it is getting extremely desperate over here. I have an appointment with her Thursday and am going to have a "come to Jesus" talk with her... I don't want to leave the legacy of suicide for my daughter, but at this point I cannot fathom continuing on like this for months, likely years. I've considered checking myself into inpatient and am looking into getting one more signature for my advanced directive as I truly don't want to be put on antipsychotics. There are no good hospitals in my state. I'd love a holistic approach to treatment and I doubt the inpatient here can support my paleo diet . This is a nightmare, one that I keep fantasizing i will wake up from. To be a highly functioning person with friendships, a job, a marriage, a family, and to watch it all dwindling away is such a TRAUMA. I feel traumatized by this whole experience. I want to go back to 5 mg. When life was good. HISTORY: Lexapro 10mg (current and for approximately 7 years; Prozac 20mg for 5 years and Zoloft 50mg for 5 years) Lexapro (too fast taper) 9mg 09/13; 8mg 10/13; 7mg 12/13; 6mg 02/14; 5mg 04/14; 4mg 06/14 2.5mg 08/29/14 2.25 mg 12/04/14; Re-instatement - 2.5mg 12/17/14; 03/01/15 3.0 mg; 04/01/15 - 5mg; 05/01/15 6mg; 5/15/15 6.5mg 6/01/15 7.5mg 2nd attempt at micro taper: starting dose is 7.5mg using liquid compounded rx: 12/16/17 - 7mg; 02/05/18 - 6.75mg 04/06/18 - 6.5ml 05/31/18 re-instate back to 6.75mg Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus mammaP Posted February 3, 2015 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted February 3, 2015 Hi SW, I'm sorry that you are still feeling so sick. You don't need to think about living like this for months or years, just today. Just get through today, that is enough for anyone feeling so defeated. I saw a poem tonight on my trip round the web, and it had a line that resonated with me. It said that life is like running a marathon and feeling exhausted. You have no idea how far you have gone, but if you give up it may be the the very last half mile. One step at a time and the marathon will be won, maybe not first but definitely not last, and you will have won. Keep going, it will get better. Mamma hugs. **I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge. Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem) 1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat 2002 effexor. Tapered March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads. Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013 Restarted taper Nov 2013 OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015 Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014 Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg July 2017 30mg. May 15 2018 25mg Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33 Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible Link to comment
LoveandLight Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 You have been quite well until recently, this is just a little blip...I know it feels huge but you may not have long til you settle again and then taper again. 2000 - sertraline for job anxiety low confidence (17 years old) ..which turned the next 16 years into nightmare! On/off sertraline severe withdrawals every time. 2014 - felt better as reduced dose of sertraline no more inner restlessness. Doctor rushed off again. Hit severe withdrawal. Lost the little I had in life. Couldn't get stable again on 12.5mg. Was switched to prozac. Had severe reaction to prozac..came off in November 2015 at 6mg as felt more confused and damaged on it..Even more withdrawal ..rage, depression, dyphoria, near constant suicidal ideation, self harm impulses, doom, concrete block in head, unable to do much of anything with this feeling in head..went back on 6mg of sertraline to see if would alleviate anything. It didn't..reduced from December to June 2016 came off at 2.5mg sertraline as was hospitalised for the severe rage, suicidal impulses, and put on 50mg lofepramine which in 2nd week reduced all symptoms but gave insomnia which still have..psych stopped lofepramine cold turkey..no increased withdrawal symptoms new symptoms from lofepramine except persistant insomnia which has as side effect. Taking Ativan for 8 months for the severe rage self harm impulses 1-3 times a week (mostly 2 times a week) at .5mg. Two months (I'm unsure exactly when the interdose started to happen) ago interdose withdrawal seemed to happen..2 days I think after the Ativan. Nightmare that could have been avoided! Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus areyouthere Posted February 4, 2015 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted February 4, 2015 Woah. late to the party here... sorry Warrior!!! And you ARE a warrior!! I used about 3 oz of water to put the liquid in. I'm sorry that you are having to go through this. I have no words of wisdom here but I truly agree with the last two posters and would encourage you to focus on that: It is a "blip" on your journey....and keep going, it will get better. I truly believe that these are truths. Lack of good sleep truly sucks & in my experience just exacerbates and magnifies EVERYTHING that normally can be somewhat easily handled. Have you tried non- supplement / medication type methods? Warm evening, epsom salt baths? No computer in the evening? No coffee/ alcohol? Regular, gentle exercise early in the day? Just a thought, Warrior. I know that sometimes when I am scared I forget the simpler strategies & sometimes trying them again works. Thinking of you. RU Fall 1995 xanax, zoloft. switched to Serzone 1996- spring 2003serzone/ xanax/ lightbox. b]Fall 2003- Fall 2004? Lexapro 10 mg. Light box /4 mg. xanax.[/b] 2004 - Fall of 2009 10 mg Lex, 150 mg Wellbutrin XL % 4 mg xanax November 2009- Sept. 2011 10 mg lex., 300 Well. XL, 4 mg Xanax [/b Sept.2012- July 2012 20 mg Lex 300 Well. XL, 4 mg Xanax My mantra " go slow & with the flow " 3/2/13.. Began equal dosing 5 Xs /day xanax, while simultaneously incorporating a 2.5 % drop ( from 3.5 mg/day to 3.4 mg/day) 4/6/13 dropped from 300 mg. Wellbutrin XL to 150 mg. Difficult but DONE! Down to 3.3 mg xanax/ day / 6/10/13 3 mg xanax/day; 7/15/2013 2.88mg xanax/day. 10/ 1/2013...... 2.5 mg xanax… ( switched to tablets again) WOO HOO!!!!!! Holding here… cont. with Lexapro. 1/ 2/2014.. tapered to 18mg ( by weight) of a 26 mg ( by weight) pill of 20 mg tab. lexapro. goal is 13mg (by weight OR 10 mg by ingredient content) and STOPPED. Feeling very down with unbalanced, unpredictable WD symptoms. 1/2/2014- ??? Taking a brain-healing break from tapering anything after actively tapering something for 1.5 years. So… daily doses as of 2/2/2014: 18 mg by weight Lex, 150 mg Well. XL, 2.5 mg xanax, down from 26 mg by weight Lex., 300 mg well. XL, 4 mg xanax in August, 2012. I'll take it. 5/8/14 started equivalent dose liquid./ tabs. 5/13/14 1.5 % cut. Link to comment
Broken Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Are you religious? The reason I asked is there is a Christian theologist by the name of Ravi Zacharias. He makes a compelling argument as to why he chose Christianity. It's interesting and if you watch it at night it might help you nod off. Search him on youtube. December 2008 Prescribed 20mg citalopram (celexa) for depression and OCD.July 2013 stopped taking citalopram (celexa). November 2013 reinstated citalopram (celexa) following replapse at 20mg for 4 weeks, 40mg for 4 weeks and tapered off over 4 weeks as my condition had deteriorated. February 2014 started 20mg of fluoxetine (prozac). Didn't tolerate it and stopped 4 weeks later, experienced no withdrawal. May 2014 started 25mg of sertraline (zoloft), increased to 50mg after 1 week. Remained at 50mg for 4 weeks before increasing to 100mg at the request of my psychiatrist despite advising of suicidal ideation for an additional week before stopping. Advised to drop to 50mg for 3 days before withdrawing altogether. I did as advised and horrendous withdrawal ensued. 11th August 2014 commenced escitalopram (lexapro), weaned off end of October 2014. Commenced Clonazepam December 2014 0.5mg twice daily, switched to Diazepam 10mg twice daily with a view to tapering of the benzodiazepine altogether. Tapering schedule presently at a reduction of 1mg of Diazepam every 1-2 weeks depending upon side effects. So far experienced no severe physical side effects except worsening of PGAD symptoms upon reduction which does seem to improve within a few days of doing so. Presently taking no antidepressants however still experiencing mild agitation, severe depression and PGAD which is currently being treated by a physiotherapist. Link to comment
Ssriwarrior Posted February 5, 2015 Author Share Posted February 5, 2015 Thanks everyone. I love you guys and am so thankful for your support. When I am feeling better I want to contribute more to others threads. I do read them just don't always reply. Pdoc suggested Inositol a small dose for sleep and I took some last night and got a longer stretch of sleep close to 4 hours and it made a world of difference in my mood today. I hope this continues. Still practicing extreme sleep rituals and all that. I really feel like it is cortisol and I definately have the cortisol mornings. By mid day I'm usually feeling much better like I can do this. sTILL considering a reinstatement. I know I've been going back and forth on this. I feel like I made a huge mistake on tapering my last cut from 4 to 2.5 and now I'm paying for it and just want to try it to see if it brings any relief. As it is i am still working, although much less hours. Still taking my daughter to school, activities, play dates and somehow managing dinner and laundry....So from the outside I still look like I'm functional it just does NOT feel like that on the inside. Also talked with my family who live out of town and discussed the possibility of my mom coming to stay with us for a few days to avoid hospital. Praying and praying and praying. HISTORY: Lexapro 10mg (current and for approximately 7 years; Prozac 20mg for 5 years and Zoloft 50mg for 5 years) Lexapro (too fast taper) 9mg 09/13; 8mg 10/13; 7mg 12/13; 6mg 02/14; 5mg 04/14; 4mg 06/14 2.5mg 08/29/14 2.25 mg 12/04/14; Re-instatement - 2.5mg 12/17/14; 03/01/15 3.0 mg; 04/01/15 - 5mg; 05/01/15 6mg; 5/15/15 6.5mg 6/01/15 7.5mg 2nd attempt at micro taper: starting dose is 7.5mg using liquid compounded rx: 12/16/17 - 7mg; 02/05/18 - 6.75mg 04/06/18 - 6.5ml 05/31/18 re-instate back to 6.75mg Link to comment
Ssriwarrior Posted February 6, 2015 Author Share Posted February 6, 2015 I'm starting reinstatement on Monday. It may be a long shot, but I have to try it to say I've tried everything. At this point I wouldnt even mind going back up and staying on Lexapro forever. Even knowing everything I know about these dangerous drugs. I feel like I made a huge mistake in trying to taper and wish I would have found Dr Shipkos writings before I started to taper. It seems like Dr. Breggins work pertains more to folks who have taken the SSRIs for a short time and not so much for long term users. I feel like I could have done more reading before deciding to taper and also feel frustrated with the naturopath I chose to oversee this because I dont think he's ever worked with someone on the drugs for 14 years. I want to blame someone and it feels like I'm the only want to blame. And of course the pharmaceutical companies. Wish me luck on reinstatement. HISTORY: Lexapro 10mg (current and for approximately 7 years; Prozac 20mg for 5 years and Zoloft 50mg for 5 years) Lexapro (too fast taper) 9mg 09/13; 8mg 10/13; 7mg 12/13; 6mg 02/14; 5mg 04/14; 4mg 06/14 2.5mg 08/29/14 2.25 mg 12/04/14; Re-instatement - 2.5mg 12/17/14; 03/01/15 3.0 mg; 04/01/15 - 5mg; 05/01/15 6mg; 5/15/15 6.5mg 6/01/15 7.5mg 2nd attempt at micro taper: starting dose is 7.5mg using liquid compounded rx: 12/16/17 - 7mg; 02/05/18 - 6.75mg 04/06/18 - 6.5ml 05/31/18 re-instate back to 6.75mg Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus bubble Posted February 6, 2015 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted February 6, 2015 How much are you planning to increase? Current: 9/2022 Xanax 0.08, Lexapro 2 2020 Xanax 0.26 (down from 2 mg in 2013), Lexapro 2.85 mg (down from 5 mg 2013) Amitriptyline (tricyclic AD) and clonazepam for 3 months to treat headache in 1996 1999. - present Xanax prn up to 3 mg. 2000-2005 Prozac CT twice, 2005-2010 Zoloft CT 3 times, 2010-2013 Escitalopram 10 mg went from 2.5 to zero on 7 Aug 2013, bad crash 40 days afterreinstated to 5 mg Escitalopram 4Oct 2013 and holding liquid Xanax every 5 hours 28 Jan 2014 Xanax 1.9, 18 Apr 2015 1 mg, 25 June 2015 Lex 4.8, 6 Aug Lexapro 4.6, 1 Jan 2016 0.64 Xanax 9 month hold 24 Sept 2016 4.5 Lex, 17 Oct 4.4 Lex (Nov 0.63 Xanax, Dec 0.625 Xanax), 1 Jan 2017 4.3 Lex, 24 Jan 4.2, 5 Feb 4.1, 24 Mar 4 mg, 10 Apr 3.9 mg, May 3.85, June 3.8, July 3.75, 22 July 3.7, 15 Aug 3.65, 17 Sept 3.6, 1 Jan 2018 3.55, 19 Jan 3.5, 16 Mar 3.4, 14 Apr 3.3, 23 May 3.2, 16 June 3.15, 15 Jul 3.1, 31 Jul 3, 21 Aug 2.9 26 Sept 2.85, 14 Nov Xan 0.61, 1 Dec 0.59, 19 Dec 0.58, 4 Jan 0.565, 6 Feb 0.55, 20 Feb 0.535, 1 Mar 0.505, 10 Mar 0.475, 14 Mar 0.45, 4 Apr 0.415, 13 Apr 0.37, 21 Apr 0.33, 29 Apr 0.29, 10 May 0.27, 17 May 0.25, 28 May 0.22, 19 June 0.22, 21 Jun updose to 0.24, 24 Jun updose to 0.26 Supplements: Omega 3 + Vit E, Vit C, D, magnesium, Taurine, probiotic I'm not a medical professional. Any advice I give is based on my own experience and reading. Link to comment
Ssriwarrior Posted February 6, 2015 Author Share Posted February 6, 2015 .25 and hold it until/if things stabilize. Will re-evaluate after and decide if I slowly want to go up to 3.5. Interestingly the pdoc is ok with it and has even called in a script to be compounded and willing to work with my plan. She may be secretly thinking I'm crazy or a hypochondriac but she seems to generally think I'm suffering more from hypothyroid and candida and that's the cause of my insomnia. So be it. I know it seems like I'm going backwards but I have to try. My quality of life is just so diminished I have to try giving my brain the old drug and seeing how it responds... HISTORY: Lexapro 10mg (current and for approximately 7 years; Prozac 20mg for 5 years and Zoloft 50mg for 5 years) Lexapro (too fast taper) 9mg 09/13; 8mg 10/13; 7mg 12/13; 6mg 02/14; 5mg 04/14; 4mg 06/14 2.5mg 08/29/14 2.25 mg 12/04/14; Re-instatement - 2.5mg 12/17/14; 03/01/15 3.0 mg; 04/01/15 - 5mg; 05/01/15 6mg; 5/15/15 6.5mg 6/01/15 7.5mg 2nd attempt at micro taper: starting dose is 7.5mg using liquid compounded rx: 12/16/17 - 7mg; 02/05/18 - 6.75mg 04/06/18 - 6.5ml 05/31/18 re-instate back to 6.75mg Link to comment
clearday Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Hi SSRIWarrior, I just read over your thread - since you were so kind as to read over mine, and give me a warm welcome, I asked "how are you doing?" on my thread. But I realize it is better to read YOUR thread and reply about your situation on your own thread... I'm still getting the hang of how things are done here - So I see that you and I are very similar in drug history and temperament and overall outlook towards a few things. I am also empathetic/sensitive to other's feelings by nature; a blessing and a curse, as you know - But I was not put on SSRIs as a nine year old, as your were - that is always disappointing to hear. I know people who still put their children on these drugs, and it boggles my mind to think of how their little developing brains are being raised along with these SSRI drugs. I am sad to hear that you are suffering lately from WD. It is hard to figure out what the best course of action is when confronted with something as difficult as insomnia. It is great to be able to come here and get all different suggestions from people who have been there. But in the end, it is up to you to decide what you think is best for you, regardless of what anyone else says. It's your life, and you are free to choose your path, in fact that is what each of us must do - and it's great that we have that personal freedom. I know you know this, I just wanted to affirm that. And each of us have such different biochemistry and history. So what may be good for one person may not be good for another person. You said that maybe you want to go back on Lexapro for good, since you are suffering bad lately from WD. That's interesting. It reminds me of when my GP first suggested Lexapro for me. She said "you take 5 mg for one week, then 10 mg the next week, and stay on 10 mg for the rest of your life, no problem". And if that works for you, then great. A person close to me has been on a cocktail of an SSRI, welbutrin, and lamictal for ten years now. He is doing fine. Only problem is slight memory loss. But overall, doing great. I think he has a sturdy biochemical constitution overall, so maybe his system can handle these drugs better than me. I know my nervous system is sensitive to minor disruptions, perhaps that is why SSRIs are NOT good for me, for life. For me, long term use of SSRIs gave me problems. I would much rather bump myself out of dysthymia by natural means rather than stay on an SSRI and deal with the long term effects of it. But that's just ME. I am one of the lucky ones; life off of SSRIs is definitely tolerable for me. I fear for my friend if he reaches "poop out" or if he decides he wants to go off his cocktail of drugs. But, he has chosen to stay on them, because things are going fine, and have been going fine for him for years on these drugs. And I agree, why upset the apple cart at this point? Just because I had a bad experience with these drugs, maybe he won't go through such horror. The day may come when he will decide to go off the drugs, for whatever reason, and he will have to deal with it then. You certainly are a great SSRI Warrior - you have been fighting this good fight for so many years, doing everything you can to improve your life. These rough patches suck. Keep fighting - better days are ahead, no matter how you decide to handle this particular rough patch. Do whatever you have to do to get through it. PS - Your thread had made me think of something else about what I'm going through, so I will now comment on that on my thread - Hell hath no fury as an SSRI scorned..... Prozac: 20 mg 1996 – May 2003 CT to 0 mg; by Aug 03 CRASH then protracted WD 3 yrs Zoloft: 2004 few weeks;, CT to 0 mg Effexor: 2005 few months CT to 0 mg; bad withdrawal. Lexapro: 10 mg from 2009 – 2011; cut dose in half to: Lexapro: 5 mg from 2011 – Feb. 2014; CT to 0 mg; 2 months of fatigue, followed by:Aug - Oct 2014 Lexapro WD Insomnia Wave; sleeping very good from Nov 2014 - Nov 2015; broken sleep pattern Dec 2015 - Jan 2016 Dec 2014 - present: Brutal Lexapro WD ear ringing/head ringing/head pressure lasting for 14 months now. 24 months SSRI-free Link to comment
seb Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Hey SSRIwarrior, thinking of you and your pain. Keep holding on. I really hope it starts getting better for you. 1999 Citalopram 20mg 2000 Came off Citalopram 2002 Citalopram 20mg 2003 Came off Citalopram 2007 Citalopram 20mg 2008 Pristiq 50mg 2009 Pristiq 100mg 2014 Pristiq 50mg 19 September 2014 Switch to Effexor 75mg 2019 Effexor and 40mg Endep. 3/1/2021 started a 10% taper with the Effexor . Link to comment
LexAnger Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Hi SS, thinking of you! Hope you are getting a relief from the updose of 0.25mg! Drug free Sep. 23 2017 2009 Mar.: lexapro 10mg for headache for 2 weeks. 2009-2012: on and off 1/4 to 1/3 of 10mg 2012 June--2013 Jan,: 1/4-1/3 of 10mg generic, bad jaw pain 2013 Jan-Mar: 10 mg generic. severe jaw and head pain; 2013 Mar--Aug. started tapering (liquid ever since) from 10 to 5 (one step) then gradually down to 2.25 mg by July. first ever panic attack, severe head/jaw pain 2013 Aug.: back to 2.75 mg; Nov: back to Brand Lex. 2.75mg -- 3mg, 2014 June: stopped PPI, head pressure/numbness. up-dosed 4.5mg, severe reaction mental symptoms added on 2014 Aug--2015 Aug: Micro taper down to 3.2mg, .025mg (<1%) cut holding 2-3 weeks. 2015 Aug 15th, Accidental one dose of 4.2mg. worsening brain non-functional, swollen head, body, coma like, DR 2016 Feb., started dosing 10am through 11 pm everyday 2/13--3.2mg, 3/15-- 2.9mg, 4/19-- 2.6mg, 6/26--2.2mg, 7/22 --1.9mg, 8/16--1.8mg，8/31--1.7m g, 9/13--1.6mg, 9/27--1.5mg, 10/8--1.4mg, 10/14--1.3mg， 11/1--1.2mg, 11/29--1.1mg, 12/12--1mg, 12/22--0.9mg 2017: 1/7--0.8mg, 1/15--0.7mg, 1/17--0.6mg, 1/20--0.52, 1/21--0.4mg, 1/22--0.26, 1/23--0.2, 2/13--0.13mg, 2/20--0.06mg, 3/18--0.13mg, 6/1--0.12mg, 7/6--0.1mg, 7/14--0.08mg, 8/17--0.04mg, 8/20--0.03mg, 8/28--0.02mg, 9/6--0.0205mg, 9/8--0.02mg, 9/17--0.015mg, 9/20--0.01mg, 9/21--0.0048mg, 9/22--0.0001mg, Link to comment
Ssriwarrior Posted February 12, 2015 Author Share Posted February 12, 2015 Thanks you guys. 2nd day of reinstatement...ended up going up .50 and am now at 3. The first day I noticed a more positive mood and feeling more hopeful. Last night was a horrible night of sleep. Took over 3 hours to get to sleep and got maybe 3 hours total. That is worse than it had been. Was averaging 5-6 earlier this week. So a little disappointed but will continue with the updose... HISTORY: Lexapro 10mg (current and for approximately 7 years; Prozac 20mg for 5 years and Zoloft 50mg for 5 years) Lexapro (too fast taper) 9mg 09/13; 8mg 10/13; 7mg 12/13; 6mg 02/14; 5mg 04/14; 4mg 06/14 2.5mg 08/29/14 2.25 mg 12/04/14; Re-instatement - 2.5mg 12/17/14; 03/01/15 3.0 mg; 04/01/15 - 5mg; 05/01/15 6mg; 5/15/15 6.5mg 6/01/15 7.5mg 2nd attempt at micro taper: starting dose is 7.5mg using liquid compounded rx: 12/16/17 - 7mg; 02/05/18 - 6.75mg 04/06/18 - 6.5ml 05/31/18 re-instate back to 6.75mg Link to comment
LexAnger Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Heard a lot the effect of dose changes takes 4 days, you may want to a few days before increasing further. Drug free Sep. 23 2017 2009 Mar.: lexapro 10mg for headache for 2 weeks. 2009-2012: on and off 1/4 to 1/3 of 10mg 2012 June--2013 Jan,: 1/4-1/3 of 10mg generic, bad jaw pain 2013 Jan-Mar: 10 mg generic. severe jaw and head pain; 2013 Mar--Aug. started tapering (liquid ever since) from 10 to 5 (one step) then gradually down to 2.25 mg by July. first ever panic attack, severe head/jaw pain 2013 Aug.: back to 2.75 mg; Nov: back to Brand Lex. 2.75mg -- 3mg, 2014 June: stopped PPI, head pressure/numbness. up-dosed 4.5mg, severe reaction mental symptoms added on 2014 Aug--2015 Aug: Micro taper down to 3.2mg, .025mg (<1%) cut holding 2-3 weeks. 2015 Aug 15th, Accidental one dose of 4.2mg. worsening brain non-functional, swollen head, body, coma like, DR 2016 Feb., started dosing 10am through 11 pm everyday 2/13--3.2mg, 3/15-- 2.9mg, 4/19-- 2.6mg, 6/26--2.2mg, 7/22 --1.9mg, 8/16--1.8mg，8/31--1.7m g, 9/13--1.6mg, 9/27--1.5mg, 10/8--1.4mg, 10/14--1.3mg， 11/1--1.2mg, 11/29--1.1mg, 12/12--1mg, 12/22--0.9mg 2017: 1/7--0.8mg, 1/15--0.7mg, 1/17--0.6mg, 1/20--0.52, 1/21--0.4mg, 1/22--0.26, 1/23--0.2, 2/13--0.13mg, 2/20--0.06mg, 3/18--0.13mg, 6/1--0.12mg, 7/6--0.1mg, 7/14--0.08mg, 8/17--0.04mg, 8/20--0.03mg, 8/28--0.02mg, 9/6--0.0205mg, 9/8--0.02mg, 9/17--0.015mg, 9/20--0.01mg, 9/21--0.0048mg, 9/22--0.0001mg, Link to comment
wantrelief Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 I am glad you noticed a change in mood after the increase - that is great! Sorry about the sleep though. My sleep has often worsened after an increase and then settled down so I am hopeful this will happen for you as well. I'll be keeping my fingers crossed that you feel better soon! -1/06 - 3/07 Cymbalta. Fast taper (essentially CT); withdrawal symptoms after 4 mos (didn't realize was WD) -10/07: 100 mg Zoloft; 1 mg Klonopin - tapered off Klonopin after 4 mos. Several unsuccessful slow tapers of Zoloft; went up and down in dose a lot -Spring 2013 back on 1 mg Klonopin to counter WD symptoms; switched over 5-6 mos from Zoloft to 35 mg citalopram -Two attempts at slow tapering citalopram, always increased dose due to WD; also increased Klonopin to 1.25 mg in 2014, then to 1.5 mg in 2015 -8/17-9/17: After holding one year at 20 mg, feeling withdrawal symptoms due to stress - slowly increased to 25 mg. No change in symptoms after 6 months (? tolerance ?) - decided to start citalopram taper February 2018 (still on Klonopin 1.5 mg). Supplements: fish oil; magnesium; vitamin D3; curcumin Citalopram taper: 2/2018 - 12/2019: 25 mg - 11.03 mg I 2020: 10.89 mg - 7.9 mg I 2021: 7.8 mg - 5.26 mg I 2022: 5.2 mg - 3.36 mg I 2023: 3.3 mg - 1.47 mg 2024: 1/5/24: 1.44 mg; 1/19/24: 1.40 mg; 1/26/24: 1.37 mg; 2/2/24: 1.34 mg; 2/9/24: 1.31 mg; 2/23/24: 1.28 mg; 3/1/24: 1.25 mg; 3/8/24: 1.22 mg; 3/15/24: 1.19 mg; 3/29/24: 1.17 mg; 4/5/24: 1.14 mg; 4/13/24: 1.11 mg; 4/20/24: 1.09 mg Link to comment
Ssriwarrior Posted February 12, 2015 Author Share Posted February 12, 2015 I'm so thankful for your support. Last night was a lot better got close to 6 hours, disjointed waking several times but it feels more manageable than 3. I also forgot to take magnesium the night before. I want to keep documenting the updose. I still have lots of anxiety but overall feel more hopeful for the future despite everything falling apart. HISTORY: Lexapro 10mg (current and for approximately 7 years; Prozac 20mg for 5 years and Zoloft 50mg for 5 years) Lexapro (too fast taper) 9mg 09/13; 8mg 10/13; 7mg 12/13; 6mg 02/14; 5mg 04/14; 4mg 06/14 2.5mg 08/29/14 2.25 mg 12/04/14; Re-instatement - 2.5mg 12/17/14; 03/01/15 3.0 mg; 04/01/15 - 5mg; 05/01/15 6mg; 5/15/15 6.5mg 6/01/15 7.5mg 2nd attempt at micro taper: starting dose is 7.5mg using liquid compounded rx: 12/16/17 - 7mg; 02/05/18 - 6.75mg 04/06/18 - 6.5ml 05/31/18 re-instate back to 6.75mg Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Addax Posted February 12, 2015 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted February 12, 2015 I'm very glad you are finding some relief. I will look for your updates. 1988-2012: Prozac @ 60mg (with a few stops and starts) Fall 2012: Returned to 40mg after discontinuing and horrid withdrawal Fall 2013: 40mg Fluoxetine, added 150mg Wellbutrin to treat fatigue Winter 2014: Attempting to taper both (too fast) April 2014: 9mg Fluoxetine + 37.5 Wellbutrin Summer 2014: 8 mg Fluoxetine + 0 Wellbutrin (way too fast a drop) Late summer/Early Fall 2014: Debilitating Withdrawal symptoms Fall 2014 - Wellbutrin successfully kicked to the curb but… Oct- Dec 2014: Panicked reinstatement of Fluoxetine ->30mg - held for 5yrs Jan 2021: taper to 20mg Fluoxetine then tapering by 1mg every 2-3 months Fall 2022 - held at 10mg->December 2022: 9mg->Feb 2023: 8mg ->March 2023: brassmonkey slide begins: 7.8mg -> 7.6 -> 7.4->2 week hold (April)->7.2->7mg->6.8->2 week hold->6.6-> 1-month hold ->(June)-6.5->4-week hold-> (July)-6.4 (discontinued brassmonkey slide and slowed taper)-> (Aug)-6.2->(Sept)-6.0->(Oct)-5.9->(Nov)-5.8->(Dec)-5.7->wave!->(Jan)-5.8->(Feb)-6mg and holding. My 2014 withdrawal experience: https://rxisk.org/antidepressant-withdrawal-a-prozac-story/ Link to comment
LexAnger Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 So great it helped you at this increase rate. I'm a bit concerned if you have to go up too much as it can cause severe reaction per my experience. Stay well. Drug free Sep. 23 2017 2009 Mar.: lexapro 10mg for headache for 2 weeks. 2009-2012: on and off 1/4 to 1/3 of 10mg 2012 June--2013 Jan,: 1/4-1/3 of 10mg generic, bad jaw pain 2013 Jan-Mar: 10 mg generic. severe jaw and head pain; 2013 Mar--Aug. started tapering (liquid ever since) from 10 to 5 (one step) then gradually down to 2.25 mg by July. first ever panic attack, severe head/jaw pain 2013 Aug.: back to 2.75 mg; Nov: back to Brand Lex. 2.75mg -- 3mg, 2014 June: stopped PPI, head pressure/numbness. up-dosed 4.5mg, severe reaction mental symptoms added on 2014 Aug--2015 Aug: Micro taper down to 3.2mg, .025mg (<1%) cut holding 2-3 weeks. 2015 Aug 15th, Accidental one dose of 4.2mg. worsening brain non-functional, swollen head, body, coma like, DR 2016 Feb., started dosing 10am through 11 pm everyday 2/13--3.2mg, 3/15-- 2.9mg, 4/19-- 2.6mg, 6/26--2.2mg, 7/22 --1.9mg, 8/16--1.8mg，8/31--1.7m g, 9/13--1.6mg, 9/27--1.5mg, 10/8--1.4mg, 10/14--1.3mg， 11/1--1.2mg, 11/29--1.1mg, 12/12--1mg, 12/22--0.9mg 2017: 1/7--0.8mg, 1/15--0.7mg, 1/17--0.6mg, 1/20--0.52, 1/21--0.4mg, 1/22--0.26, 1/23--0.2, 2/13--0.13mg, 2/20--0.06mg, 3/18--0.13mg, 6/1--0.12mg, 7/6--0.1mg, 7/14--0.08mg, 8/17--0.04mg, 8/20--0.03mg, 8/28--0.02mg, 9/6--0.0205mg, 9/8--0.02mg, 9/17--0.015mg, 9/20--0.01mg, 9/21--0.0048mg, 9/22--0.0001mg, Link to comment
Ssriwarrior Posted February 12, 2015 Author Share Posted February 12, 2015 What do yall think about slowly titerating back up to 5mg over several months? Or even 4mg? Very slowly, as per dr. Shipkos suggestion? That would be half of my old dose and given the length of time I had been on SSRIs it's a negotiation I could be comfortable with... I also got a script for Ambien but have not taken it. It's in case of emergency and didn't want to resort to benzos. HISTORY: Lexapro 10mg (current and for approximately 7 years; Prozac 20mg for 5 years and Zoloft 50mg for 5 years) Lexapro (too fast taper) 9mg 09/13; 8mg 10/13; 7mg 12/13; 6mg 02/14; 5mg 04/14; 4mg 06/14 2.5mg 08/29/14 2.25 mg 12/04/14; Re-instatement - 2.5mg 12/17/14; 03/01/15 3.0 mg; 04/01/15 - 5mg; 05/01/15 6mg; 5/15/15 6.5mg 6/01/15 7.5mg 2nd attempt at micro taper: starting dose is 7.5mg using liquid compounded rx: 12/16/17 - 7mg; 02/05/18 - 6.75mg 04/06/18 - 6.5ml 05/31/18 re-instate back to 6.75mg Link to comment
LexAnger Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 That's a hard one to kick, weather or not eventually get off the drug(s) completely. I feel it's a personal decision to be made before a reasonable strategy. If the goal is to get off the drug, I would not add any more psyc drug or anything interferes with CNS, and not continue increase to too high dose. Drug free Sep. 23 2017 2009 Mar.: lexapro 10mg for headache for 2 weeks. 2009-2012: on and off 1/4 to 1/3 of 10mg 2012 June--2013 Jan,: 1/4-1/3 of 10mg generic, bad jaw pain 2013 Jan-Mar: 10 mg generic. severe jaw and head pain; 2013 Mar--Aug. started tapering (liquid ever since) from 10 to 5 (one step) then gradually down to 2.25 mg by July. first ever panic attack, severe head/jaw pain 2013 Aug.: back to 2.75 mg; Nov: back to Brand Lex. 2.75mg -- 3mg, 2014 June: stopped PPI, head pressure/numbness. up-dosed 4.5mg, severe reaction mental symptoms added on 2014 Aug--2015 Aug: Micro taper down to 3.2mg, .025mg (<1%) cut holding 2-3 weeks. 2015 Aug 15th, Accidental one dose of 4.2mg. worsening brain non-functional, swollen head, body, coma like, DR 2016 Feb., started dosing 10am through 11 pm everyday 2/13--3.2mg, 3/15-- 2.9mg, 4/19-- 2.6mg, 6/26--2.2mg, 7/22 --1.9mg, 8/16--1.8mg，8/31--1.7m g, 9/13--1.6mg, 9/27--1.5mg, 10/8--1.4mg, 10/14--1.3mg， 11/1--1.2mg, 11/29--1.1mg, 12/12--1mg, 12/22--0.9mg 2017: 1/7--0.8mg, 1/15--0.7mg, 1/17--0.6mg, 1/20--0.52, 1/21--0.4mg, 1/22--0.26, 1/23--0.2, 2/13--0.13mg, 2/20--0.06mg, 3/18--0.13mg, 6/1--0.12mg, 7/6--0.1mg, 7/14--0.08mg, 8/17--0.04mg, 8/20--0.03mg, 8/28--0.02mg, 9/6--0.0205mg, 9/8--0.02mg, 9/17--0.015mg, 9/20--0.01mg, 9/21--0.0048mg, 9/22--0.0001mg, Link to comment
Broken Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 It's simply trial and error and hopefully not the latter. I hope it works out for you, really I do. I don't want anybody suffering, it's not right and it's definitely not okay. At this point if your quality of life has been sidelined then something has to be done to get it back in the game. Not participating in life and being miserable is no fun. It changes you slowly but surely, you'll find that you lose yourself somewhere in the midst of withdrawal, you become bitter and develop the inability to enjoy anything and everything. It's just sad. December 2008 Prescribed 20mg citalopram (celexa) for depression and OCD.July 2013 stopped taking citalopram (celexa). November 2013 reinstated citalopram (celexa) following replapse at 20mg for 4 weeks, 40mg for 4 weeks and tapered off over 4 weeks as my condition had deteriorated. February 2014 started 20mg of fluoxetine (prozac). Didn't tolerate it and stopped 4 weeks later, experienced no withdrawal. May 2014 started 25mg of sertraline (zoloft), increased to 50mg after 1 week. Remained at 50mg for 4 weeks before increasing to 100mg at the request of my psychiatrist despite advising of suicidal ideation for an additional week before stopping. Advised to drop to 50mg for 3 days before withdrawing altogether. I did as advised and horrendous withdrawal ensued. 11th August 2014 commenced escitalopram (lexapro), weaned off end of October 2014. Commenced Clonazepam December 2014 0.5mg twice daily, switched to Diazepam 10mg twice daily with a view to tapering of the benzodiazepine altogether. Tapering schedule presently at a reduction of 1mg of Diazepam every 1-2 weeks depending upon side effects. So far experienced no severe physical side effects except worsening of PGAD symptoms upon reduction which does seem to improve within a few days of doing so. Presently taking no antidepressants however still experiencing mild agitation, severe depression and PGAD which is currently being treated by a physiotherapist. Link to comment
Broken Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 ...so very sad. December 2008 Prescribed 20mg citalopram (celexa) for depression and OCD.July 2013 stopped taking citalopram (celexa). November 2013 reinstated citalopram (celexa) following replapse at 20mg for 4 weeks, 40mg for 4 weeks and tapered off over 4 weeks as my condition had deteriorated. February 2014 started 20mg of fluoxetine (prozac). Didn't tolerate it and stopped 4 weeks later, experienced no withdrawal. May 2014 started 25mg of sertraline (zoloft), increased to 50mg after 1 week. Remained at 50mg for 4 weeks before increasing to 100mg at the request of my psychiatrist despite advising of suicidal ideation for an additional week before stopping. Advised to drop to 50mg for 3 days before withdrawing altogether. I did as advised and horrendous withdrawal ensued. 11th August 2014 commenced escitalopram (lexapro), weaned off end of October 2014. Commenced Clonazepam December 2014 0.5mg twice daily, switched to Diazepam 10mg twice daily with a view to tapering of the benzodiazepine altogether. Tapering schedule presently at a reduction of 1mg of Diazepam every 1-2 weeks depending upon side effects. So far experienced no severe physical side effects except worsening of PGAD symptoms upon reduction which does seem to improve within a few days of doing so. Presently taking no antidepressants however still experiencing mild agitation, severe depression and PGAD which is currently being treated by a physiotherapist. Link to comment
Broken Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 I miss my wife, I miss my children, I miss my life. December 2008 Prescribed 20mg citalopram (celexa) for depression and OCD.July 2013 stopped taking citalopram (celexa). November 2013 reinstated citalopram (celexa) following replapse at 20mg for 4 weeks, 40mg for 4 weeks and tapered off over 4 weeks as my condition had deteriorated. February 2014 started 20mg of fluoxetine (prozac). Didn't tolerate it and stopped 4 weeks later, experienced no withdrawal. May 2014 started 25mg of sertraline (zoloft), increased to 50mg after 1 week. Remained at 50mg for 4 weeks before increasing to 100mg at the request of my psychiatrist despite advising of suicidal ideation for an additional week before stopping. Advised to drop to 50mg for 3 days before withdrawing altogether. I did as advised and horrendous withdrawal ensued. 11th August 2014 commenced escitalopram (lexapro), weaned off end of October 2014. Commenced Clonazepam December 2014 0.5mg twice daily, switched to Diazepam 10mg twice daily with a view to tapering of the benzodiazepine altogether. Tapering schedule presently at a reduction of 1mg of Diazepam every 1-2 weeks depending upon side effects. So far experienced no severe physical side effects except worsening of PGAD symptoms upon reduction which does seem to improve within a few days of doing so. Presently taking no antidepressants however still experiencing mild agitation, severe depression and PGAD which is currently being treated by a physiotherapist. Link to comment
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