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17 hours ago, direstraits said:

thanks,Carmie.

I really enjoyed the day...we drove down to the shore( I guess you call it the beach🙂) it was beautiful day,walked on the beach and boardwalk ( do you have them?) got my favorite fudge before we left for home.

yeah, I love being out in nature,it's good for the soul.

 

some anxiety this morning but not too bad.

 

I read that you have CFS.that must make WD so much more difficult,my heart goes out to you.

sending healing thoughts to you.

take care,ds

xx

 

Glad you enjoyed the day, 

 

I love being near the water, yes, the beach😀. Anywhere near water actually, lakes, streams, creeks, rivers. In nature I think there really isn’t anything more soothing than water, I love the sound water makes, the crashing waves are amazing. 

 

No, we don’t have any boardwalks near the beaches where I am. We do have some small boardwalks that go into the mangroves here and there. We have bike tracks and walkways though. 

 

Yes, CFS is no fun, been pretty much in bed all day today but I’m in good spirits. Went to a concert on Friday and have had friends over for lunch this week. Have got a few things planned next week too. I love planning things, I have plenty of time when I’m stuck in bed😀.

 

Hope you enjoy more walks along the boardwalk 💚

Seroquel. 2019:➡️ From 7.25mg to 5.80mg✔️ 2020➡️From 5.60 to 4.80✔️ 2021➡️From 4.60 to 4.0✔️ 2022➡️From 3.95 to 3.55✔️2023➡️ Jan 26=3.50✔️March 17=3.45✔️ June12=3.40✔️ July30=3.35✔️ Sep14=3.30✔️ Oct31=3.25✔️
2024➡️Jan15=3.20✔️ Feb19=3.15✔️ March26=3.10✔️This is NOT medical advice.Consult your doctor.

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thanks @Carmie

sorry you've been stuck in bed...hope you feel better soon.

ds

xx

 

went on Prozac 1994-99,60mg.poopout ct  back on 2001-2002,prozac weekly 2002,not working,Effexor 75 mg.?2003-mar.2004 gaining weight 8wk. taper,wellbutrin 150 mg.mar. -may 2004 ctmedfree til july 2005 back to Prozac gaining weight again,back on wellbutrin jan.2006150-300 mg.bad constipation.also was taking aygestin(hormone)perimenopausal irregular bleeding.back on Prozac around sept,?2006,hysterectomy jan30.2007(adenomyosis)off&on Prozac til 2009,citalopram about 1 mo, April 2010 no effect,Effexor again may -mar, 2011.ct,Prozac aug,-dec, 2011 &sept-nov 2012,paroxetine oct,23 2013-may 4 2014 20 mgs.tapered 6 wks.-failed RI in Oct.2014-in protracted WD.started 10 mgs. Fluoxetine May 25 2021 .Stopped fluoxetine May 2022 at 5 mgs.

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On 6/18/2018 at 10:52 PM, direstraits said:

thanks @Carmie

sorry you've been stuck in bed...hope you feel better soon.

ds

xx

 

 

Thank you Direstraits, 

 

Hope that you’ve enjoyed many more walks on the boardwalk. Every time I hear the word boardwalk I start singing: “ Under the boardwalk, down by the sea ...”😂

 

I had a lovely day yesterday outdoors with friends in the morning, love looking at greenery and I saw the most amazing purple flowers. They brought a smile to my face. Nature is so soothing, definitely important when going through withdrawals.

 

Had friends over for lunch too which was lovely. Making the most of the window I’m in. Hoping to catch up with friends again tomorrow.

 

A friend of mine sent me a whole heap of cards she had made. She’s really ill and in a lot of pain and is housebound a lot of the time and she finds making cards is what keeps her going. I’m hoping to go through all the cards and write some cheery hello notes, thank you notes, get well notes and the like and give them to my friends. Her cards are always so beautiful, she puts so much effort into them. 

 

She’s not going through withdrawals but because of her severe health problems she too finds distractions is what one needs to get through the day. We all need to find things that we love to do and do them, doesn’t matter if we feel anhedonic or not. 

 

Enjoy your walks, under the boardwalk, down by the sea🌊😀💚

 

 

 

 

 

Seroquel. 2019:➡️ From 7.25mg to 5.80mg✔️ 2020➡️From 5.60 to 4.80✔️ 2021➡️From 4.60 to 4.0✔️ 2022➡️From 3.95 to 3.55✔️2023➡️ Jan 26=3.50✔️March 17=3.45✔️ June12=3.40✔️ July30=3.35✔️ Sep14=3.30✔️ Oct31=3.25✔️
2024➡️Jan15=3.20✔️ Feb19=3.15✔️ March26=3.10✔️This is NOT medical advice.Consult your doctor.

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Hi, @Carmie I plan  on many more walks on the boardwalk this summer since I've been starting to get some better days.

I love that song-Under the boardwalk- the quintessential summer song,🙂

it sounds like you have a lot of wonderful friends,that's great.

I think I kinda isolated myself taking care of my disabled daughter all those years and really didn't socialize much.

I'm pretty shy to begin with,too.😔

so sorry to read about your friend who's suffering so much,but she's still able to make cards for you....bless her.

we have to be grateful for what we can do each day,there's always someone worse off.

glad to read you're in a window!hope it lasts awhile.

 

take care,ds

xx

went on Prozac 1994-99,60mg.poopout ct  back on 2001-2002,prozac weekly 2002,not working,Effexor 75 mg.?2003-mar.2004 gaining weight 8wk. taper,wellbutrin 150 mg.mar. -may 2004 ctmedfree til july 2005 back to Prozac gaining weight again,back on wellbutrin jan.2006150-300 mg.bad constipation.also was taking aygestin(hormone)perimenopausal irregular bleeding.back on Prozac around sept,?2006,hysterectomy jan30.2007(adenomyosis)off&on Prozac til 2009,citalopram about 1 mo, April 2010 no effect,Effexor again may -mar, 2011.ct,Prozac aug,-dec, 2011 &sept-nov 2012,paroxetine oct,23 2013-may 4 2014 20 mgs.tapered 6 wks.-failed RI in Oct.2014-in protracted WD.started 10 mgs. Fluoxetine May 25 2021 .Stopped fluoxetine May 2022 at 5 mgs.

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14 hours ago, direstraits said:

Hi, @Carmie I plan  on many more walks on the boardwalk this summer since I've been starting to get some better days.

I love that song-Under the boardwalk- the quintessential summer song,🙂

it sounds like you have a lot of wonderful friends,that's great.

I think I kinda isolated myself taking care of my disabled daughter all those years and really didn't socialize much.

I'm pretty shy to begin with,too.😔

so sorry to read about your friend who's suffering so much,but she's still able to make cards for you....bless her.

we have to be grateful for what we can do each day,there's always someone worse off.

glad to read you're in a window!hope it lasts awhile.

 

take care,ds

xx

 

Hi direstraits, 

 

So glad you’re planning more boardwalk walks. If I lived near the beach I’d be down there all the time. The waves are soothing, great when going through withdrawals.

 

Yes, it’s hard to make friends when you’re shy. Maybe you could join a group that does crafts, paints or something? It’s hard though when withdrawals are bad to try and act cheery when you feel so horrible though. I think I’ve become really good at putting on a front. My friends have seen me in tears a few times though too. They’re pretty cool, they take me as I come. 

 

 I’m afraid I’ve never been shy, I’m very outgoing. Have you ever done the Myers Briggs personality test? I’m an ENFP,  which is one of the extroverted personalities, but the one that needs the most alone time too. I love people but I like my space too. 

 

Hope you’re coping as best you can. Just read your signature again, must be hard being in protracted withdrawal. That big open window with fresh air will one day open really wide for you.

 

Take care💚💚

Seroquel. 2019:➡️ From 7.25mg to 5.80mg✔️ 2020➡️From 5.60 to 4.80✔️ 2021➡️From 4.60 to 4.0✔️ 2022➡️From 3.95 to 3.55✔️2023➡️ Jan 26=3.50✔️March 17=3.45✔️ June12=3.40✔️ July30=3.35✔️ Sep14=3.30✔️ Oct31=3.25✔️
2024➡️Jan15=3.20✔️ Feb19=3.15✔️ March26=3.10✔️This is NOT medical advice.Consult your doctor.

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I was taking walks with my friend from high school at the park until we moved a couple years ago,and we kinda got out of touch with each other.

yes,it's hard when you don't know how you'll feel from day to day, and really can't make plans.

 

also, I haven't been able to drive for a few years, due to eye problems....I did finally have a cataract removed that I thought was due to blurry vision from WD!

my eyes are still not right but hope I will be driving again someday...I miss it.

 

never heard of that test,sounds interesting though

 

I've worked with the public in jobs I've had and did enjoy it, I think  it's easy to fall back into old patterns if you don't stay connected to others.

thanks for your kind words.

hope you have a good day.

ds❤️

went on Prozac 1994-99,60mg.poopout ct  back on 2001-2002,prozac weekly 2002,not working,Effexor 75 mg.?2003-mar.2004 gaining weight 8wk. taper,wellbutrin 150 mg.mar. -may 2004 ctmedfree til july 2005 back to Prozac gaining weight again,back on wellbutrin jan.2006150-300 mg.bad constipation.also was taking aygestin(hormone)perimenopausal irregular bleeding.back on Prozac around sept,?2006,hysterectomy jan30.2007(adenomyosis)off&on Prozac til 2009,citalopram about 1 mo, April 2010 no effect,Effexor again may -mar, 2011.ct,Prozac aug,-dec, 2011 &sept-nov 2012,paroxetine oct,23 2013-may 4 2014 20 mgs.tapered 6 wks.-failed RI in Oct.2014-in protracted WD.started 10 mgs. Fluoxetine May 25 2021 .Stopped fluoxetine May 2022 at 5 mgs.

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DS, just wanted to say hi to you

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5 hours ago, Martina23 said:

DS, just wanted to say hi to you

thanks, Martina

hope you're doing well.

you paint such beautiful pictures.

 

take care,ds

xx

went on Prozac 1994-99,60mg.poopout ct  back on 2001-2002,prozac weekly 2002,not working,Effexor 75 mg.?2003-mar.2004 gaining weight 8wk. taper,wellbutrin 150 mg.mar. -may 2004 ctmedfree til july 2005 back to Prozac gaining weight again,back on wellbutrin jan.2006150-300 mg.bad constipation.also was taking aygestin(hormone)perimenopausal irregular bleeding.back on Prozac around sept,?2006,hysterectomy jan30.2007(adenomyosis)off&on Prozac til 2009,citalopram about 1 mo, April 2010 no effect,Effexor again may -mar, 2011.ct,Prozac aug,-dec, 2011 &sept-nov 2012,paroxetine oct,23 2013-may 4 2014 20 mgs.tapered 6 wks.-failed RI in Oct.2014-in protracted WD.started 10 mgs. Fluoxetine May 25 2021 .Stopped fluoxetine May 2022 at 5 mgs.

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2 hours ago, direstraits said:

thanks, Martina

hope you're doing well.

you paint such beautiful pictures.

 

take care,ds

xx

Thank you DS, I was very happy that we heard of each other. You seem to me already better. It is already such a long time since we both fell into withdrawal.

05/2013 Lyrica 100 mg / per day for pain + PGAD resulting from caesarian delivery11/2014 started to taper: 50 mg per day/ for one week then c/tafter one month reinstated at 50 mg /per days of 10 July 2015 drug free-

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5 hours ago, Martina23 said:

You seem to me already better

I think I'm getting there slowly but surely,still having some difficult times but seem to be heading in the right direction.

yes,it's gone on too long.but hopefully won't be much longer.

 

how are your kids doing?

 

take care,ds

xx

went on Prozac 1994-99,60mg.poopout ct  back on 2001-2002,prozac weekly 2002,not working,Effexor 75 mg.?2003-mar.2004 gaining weight 8wk. taper,wellbutrin 150 mg.mar. -may 2004 ctmedfree til july 2005 back to Prozac gaining weight again,back on wellbutrin jan.2006150-300 mg.bad constipation.also was taking aygestin(hormone)perimenopausal irregular bleeding.back on Prozac around sept,?2006,hysterectomy jan30.2007(adenomyosis)off&on Prozac til 2009,citalopram about 1 mo, April 2010 no effect,Effexor again may -mar, 2011.ct,Prozac aug,-dec, 2011 &sept-nov 2012,paroxetine oct,23 2013-may 4 2014 20 mgs.tapered 6 wks.-failed RI in Oct.2014-in protracted WD.started 10 mgs. Fluoxetine May 25 2021 .Stopped fluoxetine May 2022 at 5 mgs.

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progress not perfection is a good direction D ,good for you D ,this is great .

we all deserve so much peace so grab the healing and hold on .

Peace to you and take care .

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thank you so much for your post, @powerback

the support here means so much to me.

I hope you're doing well.

 

love,ds

xx

went on Prozac 1994-99,60mg.poopout ct  back on 2001-2002,prozac weekly 2002,not working,Effexor 75 mg.?2003-mar.2004 gaining weight 8wk. taper,wellbutrin 150 mg.mar. -may 2004 ctmedfree til july 2005 back to Prozac gaining weight again,back on wellbutrin jan.2006150-300 mg.bad constipation.also was taking aygestin(hormone)perimenopausal irregular bleeding.back on Prozac around sept,?2006,hysterectomy jan30.2007(adenomyosis)off&on Prozac til 2009,citalopram about 1 mo, April 2010 no effect,Effexor again may -mar, 2011.ct,Prozac aug,-dec, 2011 &sept-nov 2012,paroxetine oct,23 2013-may 4 2014 20 mgs.tapered 6 wks.-failed RI in Oct.2014-in protracted WD.started 10 mgs. Fluoxetine May 25 2021 .Stopped fluoxetine May 2022 at 5 mgs.

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23 minutes ago, direstraits said:

thank you so much for your post, @powerback

the support here means so much to me.

I hope you're doing well.

 

love,ds

xx

of course D ,I'm in your corner 🙏.

I'm practicing respecting myself lately ,I deserve it .

Peace . 

Alcohol free since February 2015 

1MG diazepam

4.5MG PROZAC.

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, powerback said:

I'm practicing respecting myself lately ,I deserve it

you certainly do!

peace to you,too.

ds

went on Prozac 1994-99,60mg.poopout ct  back on 2001-2002,prozac weekly 2002,not working,Effexor 75 mg.?2003-mar.2004 gaining weight 8wk. taper,wellbutrin 150 mg.mar. -may 2004 ctmedfree til july 2005 back to Prozac gaining weight again,back on wellbutrin jan.2006150-300 mg.bad constipation.also was taking aygestin(hormone)perimenopausal irregular bleeding.back on Prozac around sept,?2006,hysterectomy jan30.2007(adenomyosis)off&on Prozac til 2009,citalopram about 1 mo, April 2010 no effect,Effexor again may -mar, 2011.ct,Prozac aug,-dec, 2011 &sept-nov 2012,paroxetine oct,23 2013-may 4 2014 20 mgs.tapered 6 wks.-failed RI in Oct.2014-in protracted WD.started 10 mgs. Fluoxetine May 25 2021 .Stopped fluoxetine May 2022 at 5 mgs.

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I feel like on the beginning when I spent the most of my day on surviving antidepressants. These were funny times. I remember how they kicked me out of the work.

 

The children are ok.

 

It is good to see you so calm and balanced, somewhat enjoying the life.

 

Take care

05/2013 Lyrica 100 mg / per day for pain + PGAD resulting from caesarian delivery11/2014 started to taper: 50 mg per day/ for one week then c/tafter one month reinstated at 50 mg /per days of 10 July 2015 drug free-

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On 6/25/2018 at 5:53 AM, direstraits said:

I was taking walks with my friend from high school at the park until we moved a couple years ago,and we kinda got out of touch with each other.

yes,it's hard when you don't know how you'll feel from day to day, and really can't make plans.

 

also, I haven't been able to drive for a few years, due to eye problems....I did finally have a cataract removed that I thought was due to blurry vision from WD!

my eyes are still not right but hope I will be driving again someday...I miss it.

 

never heard of that test,sounds interesting though

 

I've worked with the public in jobs I've had and did enjoy it, I think  it's easy to fall back into old patterns if you don't stay connected to others.

thanks for your kind words.

hope you have a good day.

ds❤️

 

Hi Direstraits, 

Just checking in see how you are. Hope you’re still enjoying your beach walks. On Monday I went for a walk from the Parklands in the City to the botanic gardens. I needed to be out in nature and enjoy the beauty around me. I ended up going outdoors with friends again on Tuesday morning, but have mainly been resting since then. It was good to get out in nature, I took millions of photos.

 

I find photo editing a great distraction when too sick to go out.

 

I came across two waterfalls, two lakes and the river. Nothing more soothing than being near water.

 

It’s definitely hard to make plans when you’re ill. We just have to live from day to day. I hope that your eye sight gets better soon, a friend of mine had cataracts taken off both eyes recently too. 

 

Hope you’re coping okay, sending hugs🤗

 

 

Seroquel. 2019:➡️ From 7.25mg to 5.80mg✔️ 2020➡️From 5.60 to 4.80✔️ 2021➡️From 4.60 to 4.0✔️ 2022➡️From 3.95 to 3.55✔️2023➡️ Jan 26=3.50✔️March 17=3.45✔️ June12=3.40✔️ July30=3.35✔️ Sep14=3.30✔️ Oct31=3.25✔️
2024➡️Jan15=3.20✔️ Feb19=3.15✔️ March26=3.10✔️This is NOT medical advice.Consult your doctor.

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thanks for your concern, @Carmie

your walk sounded wonderful, I love being around water,too.

 

we drove down to Atlantic city yesterday to check out the new Hard Rock casino, wasn't a very enjoyable experience.

had to walk a good distance from the parking lot in 90+ degree heat to get there,got blisters on my feet,then they had all these penny slot machines,we were looking for quarter slots.very disappointing.

we did have anice lunch at arestaurant on the way home.

 

anyway ,feeling pretty worn out today.

 

just to update,I think I'm moving in the right direction,seem to be able to get out and do more than before,still getting some obsessive thinking about the past and some crying jags at times but have been much worse.

I've been having loose bowels the past week ( sorry if tmi) and wonder if it's WD or not.

 

hope you're coping OK,Carmie.

hugs,ds

went on Prozac 1994-99,60mg.poopout ct  back on 2001-2002,prozac weekly 2002,not working,Effexor 75 mg.?2003-mar.2004 gaining weight 8wk. taper,wellbutrin 150 mg.mar. -may 2004 ctmedfree til july 2005 back to Prozac gaining weight again,back on wellbutrin jan.2006150-300 mg.bad constipation.also was taking aygestin(hormone)perimenopausal irregular bleeding.back on Prozac around sept,?2006,hysterectomy jan30.2007(adenomyosis)off&on Prozac til 2009,citalopram about 1 mo, April 2010 no effect,Effexor again may -mar, 2011.ct,Prozac aug,-dec, 2011 &sept-nov 2012,paroxetine oct,23 2013-may 4 2014 20 mgs.tapered 6 wks.-failed RI in Oct.2014-in protracted WD.started 10 mgs. Fluoxetine May 25 2021 .Stopped fluoxetine May 2022 at 5 mgs.

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On 7/2/2018 at 1:29 AM, direstraits said:

thanks for your concern, @Carmie

your walk sounded wonderful, I love being around water,too.

 

we drove down to Atlantic city yesterday to check out the new Hard Rock casino, wasn't a very enjoyable experience.

had to walk a good distance from the parking lot in 90+ degree heat to get there,got blisters on my feet,then they had all these penny slot machines,we were looking for quarter slots.very disappointing.

we did have anice lunch at arestaurant on the way home.

 

anyway ,feeling pretty worn out today.

 

just to update,I think I'm moving in the right direction,seem to be able to get out and do more than before,still getting some obsessive thinking about the past and some crying jags at times but have been much worse.

I've been having loose bowels the past week ( sorry if tmi) and wonder if it's WD or not.

 

hope you're coping OK,Carmie.

hugs,ds

 

Hi Direstraits, 

 

How have u been? Are u still able to get out a bit more?  Hope those blisters of yours have healed and you’ve had some enjoyable walks since. I’ve been in nature most of the weekend. I saw a spectacular waterfall that flows into a cave, also a lovely big running creek, a dam etc. Just beautiful. I found a swimming spider in the creek, apparently it was only discovered here in Australia in 2016. 

 

I love all creatures great and small. If I’m well enough I’m hoping to go to Australia Zoo this weekend. The Irwin family will be feeding the crocodiles during the school holidays. They have meerkats at the zoo now. I love meerkats. The otters are so cute too. 

 

Hope the loose bowels have settled, yes it can be a withdrawal symptom. Pretty much anything can be a withdrawal symptom because our CNS is pretty much connected to our whole body. 

 

Take care💚

 

 

Seroquel. 2019:➡️ From 7.25mg to 5.80mg✔️ 2020➡️From 5.60 to 4.80✔️ 2021➡️From 4.60 to 4.0✔️ 2022➡️From 3.95 to 3.55✔️2023➡️ Jan 26=3.50✔️March 17=3.45✔️ June12=3.40✔️ July30=3.35✔️ Sep14=3.30✔️ Oct31=3.25✔️
2024➡️Jan15=3.20✔️ Feb19=3.15✔️ March26=3.10✔️This is NOT medical advice.Consult your doctor.

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Hi, @Carmie

your weekend sounded lovely....I hope you're well enough to go to the zoo,sounds like fun.

my husband and I always enjoyed watching Steve Irwin on the Crocodile Hunter and were so sad when he passed away.

 

my cat hasn't been well lately and it's causing me a lot of distress...and I had the runs again this morning and don't have much of an appetite.

 

anyway,hope you have a great weekend at the zoo!

 

take care.ds

xx

 

 

went on Prozac 1994-99,60mg.poopout ct  back on 2001-2002,prozac weekly 2002,not working,Effexor 75 mg.?2003-mar.2004 gaining weight 8wk. taper,wellbutrin 150 mg.mar. -may 2004 ctmedfree til july 2005 back to Prozac gaining weight again,back on wellbutrin jan.2006150-300 mg.bad constipation.also was taking aygestin(hormone)perimenopausal irregular bleeding.back on Prozac around sept,?2006,hysterectomy jan30.2007(adenomyosis)off&on Prozac til 2009,citalopram about 1 mo, April 2010 no effect,Effexor again may -mar, 2011.ct,Prozac aug,-dec, 2011 &sept-nov 2012,paroxetine oct,23 2013-may 4 2014 20 mgs.tapered 6 wks.-failed RI in Oct.2014-in protracted WD.started 10 mgs. Fluoxetine May 25 2021 .Stopped fluoxetine May 2022 at 5 mgs.

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15 hours ago, direstraits said:

Hi, @Carmie

your weekend sounded lovely....I hope you're well enough to go to the zoo,sounds like fun.

my husband and I always enjoyed watching Steve Irwin on the Crocodile Hunter and were so sad when he passed away.

 

my cat hasn't been well lately and it's causing me a lot of distress...and I had the runs again this morning and don't have much of an appetite.

 

anyway,hope you have a great weekend at the zoo!

 

take care.ds

xx

 

 

 

Hi direstraits, 

 

So sorry to hear about your cat. Any stress certainly doesn’t help our withdrawal symptoms. 

 

Im sorry you’ve had the runs too, I get diarrhoea every now n again too. Withdrawals cause havoc to every single thing in our body as everything is connected to the CNS. 

 

I did have a lovely time at the zoo today, thank you. I wanted to take all the meerkats home😀. The otters were cute too, so playful. And Bindi, Robert and Terri have such energy. I have hardly any energy at all with CFS, I do have one of those creative brains though and I’m always thinking of millions of ideas. I’m never bored, so I guess that’s a blessing. 

 

I hope your appetite comes back💚💚

Seroquel. 2019:➡️ From 7.25mg to 5.80mg✔️ 2020➡️From 5.60 to 4.80✔️ 2021➡️From 4.60 to 4.0✔️ 2022➡️From 3.95 to 3.55✔️2023➡️ Jan 26=3.50✔️March 17=3.45✔️ June12=3.40✔️ July30=3.35✔️ Sep14=3.30✔️ Oct31=3.25✔️
2024➡️Jan15=3.20✔️ Feb19=3.15✔️ March26=3.10✔️This is NOT medical advice.Consult your doctor.

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worst day I've had in awhile....it just feels never ending...Iknow I've been getting more better days but when I feel like this it all feels meaningless...I hope to God this means more healing is happening and I'll come out the other side feeling better than before.

I'm exhausted.

went on Prozac 1994-99,60mg.poopout ct  back on 2001-2002,prozac weekly 2002,not working,Effexor 75 mg.?2003-mar.2004 gaining weight 8wk. taper,wellbutrin 150 mg.mar. -may 2004 ctmedfree til july 2005 back to Prozac gaining weight again,back on wellbutrin jan.2006150-300 mg.bad constipation.also was taking aygestin(hormone)perimenopausal irregular bleeding.back on Prozac around sept,?2006,hysterectomy jan30.2007(adenomyosis)off&on Prozac til 2009,citalopram about 1 mo, April 2010 no effect,Effexor again may -mar, 2011.ct,Prozac aug,-dec, 2011 &sept-nov 2012,paroxetine oct,23 2013-may 4 2014 20 mgs.tapered 6 wks.-failed RI in Oct.2014-in protracted WD.started 10 mgs. Fluoxetine May 25 2021 .Stopped fluoxetine May 2022 at 5 mgs.

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28 minutes ago, direstraits said:

worst day I've had in awhile....it just feels never ending...Iknow I've been getting more better days but when I feel like this it all feels meaningless...I hope to God this means more healing is happening and I'll come out the other side feeling better than before.

I'm exhausted.

So sorry, DS.  I haven't really been on site--just "lurking"--but I have been seeing your posts.  This is just so hard!  I have occasional "better" days, but certainly not as good or as often as I would like.  Four years off now for me!  When does it end?!  I guess the fact that we do have better days tells us there is still healing going on, and we will eventually get there!!

 

XOXO

Zoloft 100 mg. daily for Chronic Fatigue Syndrome since Oct. 1994 / Synthroid 88 mcg. daily / Supplements: Neptune Krill Oil-1,000 mg. twice daily/Astaxanthin 10 mg. twice daily/Ubiquinol 100 mg. twice daily (These 3 have allowed me to discontinue (approved by doctor) bp meds I was on. Calcium Citrate 500 mg. daily/Vitamin D3 2,400 iu daily/K2 (MK7) 100 mcg daily (osteopenia and fam. hist. of severe osteoporosis). Stress B Complex (1/2 dose)/Quercetin (for allergies/asthma)/Magnesium (400 mg. oral glycinate and about 50 mg. magnesium chloride spray oil a day, divided throughout day).

Tapered Zoloft about 6 wks. Totally off since the end of July (25-29, 2014). 3 wks. vertigo at end of taper, then 3-4 wks. OK, followed by withdrawal symptoms increasing in severity (nausea, gastric disturbances, loss of appetite, insomnia, restlessness, jitters, anxiety, agitation--jumping out of my skin--possible akathisia?) Seem to have paradoxical reactions to everything new, even Vitamin C. Severity of akathisia comes and goes, but is constant to some degree. Hard to leave house, and cannot be home alone. (Retired)

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Ds, it is just a bad day for you. Tell yourself that tommorrow will be better. And be kind to yourself now when your body doesnt feel so well. In a few days will be again sun shining for you, you'll see.

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52 minutes ago, luv2knit said:

So sorry, DS.  I haven't really been on site--just "lurking"--but I have been seeing your posts.  This is just so hard!  I have occasional "better" days, but certainly not as good or as often as I would like.  Four years off now for me!  When does it end?!  I guess the fact that we do have better days tells us there is still healing going on, and we will eventually get there!!

 

XOXO

HI luv2knit,

so good to hear from you!

I guess we're going in the right direction but if only we could get there faster!

all we can do is keep moving forward and pray this will end someday.❤️

57 minutes ago, Martina23 said:

Ds, it is just a bad day for you. Tell yourself that tommorrow will be better. And be kind to yourself now when your body doesnt feel so well. In a few days will be again sun shining for you, you'll see.

thanks so much for your encouragement,Martina...much appreciated.❤️

went on Prozac 1994-99,60mg.poopout ct  back on 2001-2002,prozac weekly 2002,not working,Effexor 75 mg.?2003-mar.2004 gaining weight 8wk. taper,wellbutrin 150 mg.mar. -may 2004 ctmedfree til july 2005 back to Prozac gaining weight again,back on wellbutrin jan.2006150-300 mg.bad constipation.also was taking aygestin(hormone)perimenopausal irregular bleeding.back on Prozac around sept,?2006,hysterectomy jan30.2007(adenomyosis)off&on Prozac til 2009,citalopram about 1 mo, April 2010 no effect,Effexor again may -mar, 2011.ct,Prozac aug,-dec, 2011 &sept-nov 2012,paroxetine oct,23 2013-may 4 2014 20 mgs.tapered 6 wks.-failed RI in Oct.2014-in protracted WD.started 10 mgs. Fluoxetine May 25 2021 .Stopped fluoxetine May 2022 at 5 mgs.

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I agree--we are moving in the right direction!  If I remember right, our time frames are similar(?)  We will get there!!

 

XOXO

Zoloft 100 mg. daily for Chronic Fatigue Syndrome since Oct. 1994 / Synthroid 88 mcg. daily / Supplements: Neptune Krill Oil-1,000 mg. twice daily/Astaxanthin 10 mg. twice daily/Ubiquinol 100 mg. twice daily (These 3 have allowed me to discontinue (approved by doctor) bp meds I was on. Calcium Citrate 500 mg. daily/Vitamin D3 2,400 iu daily/K2 (MK7) 100 mcg daily (osteopenia and fam. hist. of severe osteoporosis). Stress B Complex (1/2 dose)/Quercetin (for allergies/asthma)/Magnesium (400 mg. oral glycinate and about 50 mg. magnesium chloride spray oil a day, divided throughout day).

Tapered Zoloft about 6 wks. Totally off since the end of July (25-29, 2014). 3 wks. vertigo at end of taper, then 3-4 wks. OK, followed by withdrawal symptoms increasing in severity (nausea, gastric disturbances, loss of appetite, insomnia, restlessness, jitters, anxiety, agitation--jumping out of my skin--possible akathisia?) Seem to have paradoxical reactions to everything new, even Vitamin C. Severity of akathisia comes and goes, but is constant to some degree. Hard to leave house, and cannot be home alone. (Retired)

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3 minutes ago, luv2knit said:

If I remember right, our time frames are similar(?)

yes....off 4 years in May

 

xo

went on Prozac 1994-99,60mg.poopout ct  back on 2001-2002,prozac weekly 2002,not working,Effexor 75 mg.?2003-mar.2004 gaining weight 8wk. taper,wellbutrin 150 mg.mar. -may 2004 ctmedfree til july 2005 back to Prozac gaining weight again,back on wellbutrin jan.2006150-300 mg.bad constipation.also was taking aygestin(hormone)perimenopausal irregular bleeding.back on Prozac around sept,?2006,hysterectomy jan30.2007(adenomyosis)off&on Prozac til 2009,citalopram about 1 mo, April 2010 no effect,Effexor again may -mar, 2011.ct,Prozac aug,-dec, 2011 &sept-nov 2012,paroxetine oct,23 2013-may 4 2014 20 mgs.tapered 6 wks.-failed RI in Oct.2014-in protracted WD.started 10 mgs. Fluoxetine May 25 2021 .Stopped fluoxetine May 2022 at 5 mgs.

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I was thinking we were close!

Zoloft 100 mg. daily for Chronic Fatigue Syndrome since Oct. 1994 / Synthroid 88 mcg. daily / Supplements: Neptune Krill Oil-1,000 mg. twice daily/Astaxanthin 10 mg. twice daily/Ubiquinol 100 mg. twice daily (These 3 have allowed me to discontinue (approved by doctor) bp meds I was on. Calcium Citrate 500 mg. daily/Vitamin D3 2,400 iu daily/K2 (MK7) 100 mcg daily (osteopenia and fam. hist. of severe osteoporosis). Stress B Complex (1/2 dose)/Quercetin (for allergies/asthma)/Magnesium (400 mg. oral glycinate and about 50 mg. magnesium chloride spray oil a day, divided throughout day).

Tapered Zoloft about 6 wks. Totally off since the end of July (25-29, 2014). 3 wks. vertigo at end of taper, then 3-4 wks. OK, followed by withdrawal symptoms increasing in severity (nausea, gastric disturbances, loss of appetite, insomnia, restlessness, jitters, anxiety, agitation--jumping out of my skin--possible akathisia?) Seem to have paradoxical reactions to everything new, even Vitamin C. Severity of akathisia comes and goes, but is constant to some degree. Hard to leave house, and cannot be home alone. (Retired)

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I understand DS. I'm feeling so bad too. I hope there is a light for us not too far ahead.

 

Sneding you love and healing vibes

 

Athena xx

2000-2001: Effexor              2005-2012: Celexa, Zoloft, Effexor, desipramin, Wellbutrin, mirtazepin, Lamictal, Remeron, Abilify, nortriptylin, Cipralex, Cymbalta, and others I don't remember. Really bad side effects to all.
Sept-Nov 2012: Paxil 20mg, Wellbutrin 100mg, Imovane 5mg      Nov 2012: Paxil 20mg --> 10mg
Dec 2012: Paxil 10mg-->0; 1 week later: HUGE WD symptoms. Started to get informed on the internet and back to 10mg Paxil.
Dec 2012-Jan 2013: Paxil 10mg, Wellbutrin 100mg, Imovane 2.5mg        End Jan 2013: P 9mg, W 100mg, I 2.0mg
Feb 2013: P 8mg, W 100mg, I 1.5mg      April 2013: P 7mg, W 100mg, I 1.25mg       May 2013: P 7mg, W 90mg, I 1mg    

June 2013: P 7mg, W 80mg, I 0mg       July 1/2013: P 7, W 70     July 22/2013: P 7, W 60             Aug 2013: P 7, W 50       Sept 2013: P 6.1, W 50     Oct 2013: P up to 6.3, W 50     Nov 2013: P 6.2 to 5.9, W 50      Dec 2013: P 5.9, W 40      Jan 2014: P 5.3, W40        Feb 2014: P 5.3, W 30      March-April 2014: P 5.3, W 26    May 2014: P 5.3, W 20        June 2014: P 5.3 W 15     July 2014:  P 5.3, W 14       Aug 2014: P 5.3, W up to 15     Sept 2014: P 5.3, W 14    Oct 2014: P 4.8, W 14      Nov 2014: P 4.3, W 14     Dec 2014-Jan 2015: P 3.9, W 14     Feb 2015: P 3.9, W 12    March 2015: P 3.6, W 12   April-May 2015: P 3.3, W 12    June 2015: P 3.3, W 10    July 2015: P 3.3, W 8   Aug-Sept 2015: P 3.3, W 6   Oct 2015: P 3.0, W 6   Nov 2015: P 2.7, W 6   Dec 2015: P 2.4, W 6   Jan-Feb 2016: P 2.4, W 5  March 2016: P 2.2, W 5   April 2016: P 2.2, W 4   May-June 2016: P 2.2, W 3  July 2016: P 2.2, W 2  Aug 2016: P 2.2, W 1  Sept 2016: P 2.2, W 0!!  Oct 2016: P 2.0   Nov 2016-Jan 2017: P 1.8  Feb-Mar 2017: P 1.9  April-May 2017: P 1.8   June 2017: P 1.6 July-Dec 2017: P 1.5  Jan-April 2018: P 1.6

Others: Cytomel 25mcg (thyroid), vit. C, vit D, Omega-3 fish oil, Magnesium bisglycinate , Melatonin 1mg, 81mg Aspirin, Milk peptides, L-theanine, Valericalm tincture mix, scullcap tincture, Suan Zao Ren (jujube seeds)

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7 hours ago, Athena said:

I understand DS. I'm feeling so bad too. I hope there is a light for us not too far ahead.

 

Sneding you love and healing vibes

 

Athena xx

thanks,Athena,you're so kind.

I did feel better today,was able to go to the diner with my husband and was happy to have my grandson here for a few hours.🙂

 

sorry you're suffering....praying you'll get relief soon.

ds xxx

went on Prozac 1994-99,60mg.poopout ct  back on 2001-2002,prozac weekly 2002,not working,Effexor 75 mg.?2003-mar.2004 gaining weight 8wk. taper,wellbutrin 150 mg.mar. -may 2004 ctmedfree til july 2005 back to Prozac gaining weight again,back on wellbutrin jan.2006150-300 mg.bad constipation.also was taking aygestin(hormone)perimenopausal irregular bleeding.back on Prozac around sept,?2006,hysterectomy jan30.2007(adenomyosis)off&on Prozac til 2009,citalopram about 1 mo, April 2010 no effect,Effexor again may -mar, 2011.ct,Prozac aug,-dec, 2011 &sept-nov 2012,paroxetine oct,23 2013-may 4 2014 20 mgs.tapered 6 wks.-failed RI in Oct.2014-in protracted WD.started 10 mgs. Fluoxetine May 25 2021 .Stopped fluoxetine May 2022 at 5 mgs.

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Hi Direstraits, 

 

Im so sorry you had one of your worst days yesterday. You’re definitely healing as you’re getting windows but like you said, sometimes when we’re in a wave you feel like this journey is never ending. 

 

Do you have any good distractions? A friend of mine got me a diamond painting of an owl and now I’m hooked on making more. You can get landscape and animal patterns, I even ordered a Star Wars one. It’s like paint by numbers but instead you stick on these little diamond looking things made of plastic. 

 

They make good presents too. You can put them in a frame afterwards and give them to your friends. 

 

I got some some really cute ones of animals. I got a beach one as well. I got about six or seven off eBay as they will come in really handy when I’m in withdrawals or my brain fog is severe from CFS. It’s just sticking the right colours on the numbers. They haven’t arrived yet. I’m glad my friend bought me one, now I keep telling her she’s got me addicted to diamond paintings😃.

 

Im curious as to how the Star Wars one will turn out. If I like it I’ll get some more n make them for those friends of mine who are also Star Wars fans. 

 

Here’s to finding distractions.

 

Sending hugs🤗

Seroquel. 2019:➡️ From 7.25mg to 5.80mg✔️ 2020➡️From 5.60 to 4.80✔️ 2021➡️From 4.60 to 4.0✔️ 2022➡️From 3.95 to 3.55✔️2023➡️ Jan 26=3.50✔️March 17=3.45✔️ June12=3.40✔️ July30=3.35✔️ Sep14=3.30✔️ Oct31=3.25✔️
2024➡️Jan15=3.20✔️ Feb19=3.15✔️ March26=3.10✔️This is NOT medical advice.Consult your doctor.

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On 7/24/2018 at 5:18 PM, direstraits said:

worst day I've had in awhile....it just feels never ending...Iknow I've been getting more better days but when I feel like this it all feels meaningless...I hope to God this means more healing is happening and I'll come out the other side feeling better than before.

I'm exhausted.

 

Totally understand!! 

Keep hanging in :)

Paxil 20mg from 1998-2011 

Paxil 40mg from 2011-2012 while experiencing poopout

October 2013 quit cold turkey

Oct-mid Nov 2013 great window

Late November WD nightmare 

Windows and waves pattern 

Now: 28 months cold turkey...doing decent learning to deal with the windows/waves pattern fighting it every step of the way. 

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Hey Ds, How are you today? I am still pretty miserable because of the crazy insomnia. :( I don't know what I did wrong in my taper. I'm so discouraged.

Did you have that crazy insomnia too DS?

Wishing you a nice week

Love,

Athena xx

2000-2001: Effexor              2005-2012: Celexa, Zoloft, Effexor, desipramin, Wellbutrin, mirtazepin, Lamictal, Remeron, Abilify, nortriptylin, Cipralex, Cymbalta, and others I don't remember. Really bad side effects to all.
Sept-Nov 2012: Paxil 20mg, Wellbutrin 100mg, Imovane 5mg      Nov 2012: Paxil 20mg --> 10mg
Dec 2012: Paxil 10mg-->0; 1 week later: HUGE WD symptoms. Started to get informed on the internet and back to 10mg Paxil.
Dec 2012-Jan 2013: Paxil 10mg, Wellbutrin 100mg, Imovane 2.5mg        End Jan 2013: P 9mg, W 100mg, I 2.0mg
Feb 2013: P 8mg, W 100mg, I 1.5mg      April 2013: P 7mg, W 100mg, I 1.25mg       May 2013: P 7mg, W 90mg, I 1mg    

June 2013: P 7mg, W 80mg, I 0mg       July 1/2013: P 7, W 70     July 22/2013: P 7, W 60             Aug 2013: P 7, W 50       Sept 2013: P 6.1, W 50     Oct 2013: P up to 6.3, W 50     Nov 2013: P 6.2 to 5.9, W 50      Dec 2013: P 5.9, W 40      Jan 2014: P 5.3, W40        Feb 2014: P 5.3, W 30      March-April 2014: P 5.3, W 26    May 2014: P 5.3, W 20        June 2014: P 5.3 W 15     July 2014:  P 5.3, W 14       Aug 2014: P 5.3, W up to 15     Sept 2014: P 5.3, W 14    Oct 2014: P 4.8, W 14      Nov 2014: P 4.3, W 14     Dec 2014-Jan 2015: P 3.9, W 14     Feb 2015: P 3.9, W 12    March 2015: P 3.6, W 12   April-May 2015: P 3.3, W 12    June 2015: P 3.3, W 10    July 2015: P 3.3, W 8   Aug-Sept 2015: P 3.3, W 6   Oct 2015: P 3.0, W 6   Nov 2015: P 2.7, W 6   Dec 2015: P 2.4, W 6   Jan-Feb 2016: P 2.4, W 5  March 2016: P 2.2, W 5   April 2016: P 2.2, W 4   May-June 2016: P 2.2, W 3  July 2016: P 2.2, W 2  Aug 2016: P 2.2, W 1  Sept 2016: P 2.2, W 0!!  Oct 2016: P 2.0   Nov 2016-Jan 2017: P 1.8  Feb-Mar 2017: P 1.9  April-May 2017: P 1.8   June 2017: P 1.6 July-Dec 2017: P 1.5  Jan-April 2018: P 1.6

Others: Cytomel 25mcg (thyroid), vit. C, vit D, Omega-3 fish oil, Magnesium bisglycinate , Melatonin 1mg, 81mg Aspirin, Milk peptides, L-theanine, Valericalm tincture mix, scullcap tincture, Suan Zao Ren (jujube seeds)

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7 minutes ago, Athena said:

Hey Ds, How are you today? I am still pretty miserable because of the crazy insomnia. :( I don't know what I did wrong in my taper. I'm so discouraged.

Did you have that crazy insomnia too DS?

Wishing you a nice week

Love,

Athena xx

Hi Athena,

unfortunately I'm having an awful day...I'm sorry you have insomnia,I've had it off and on through out WD and it's awful.

do you get the cortisol surges at night...I hate it,had that last night and been feeling anxious all day,like I wanna jump out of my skin.😠

 

hope it gets better for both of us.

Love,ds

xx

went on Prozac 1994-99,60mg.poopout ct  back on 2001-2002,prozac weekly 2002,not working,Effexor 75 mg.?2003-mar.2004 gaining weight 8wk. taper,wellbutrin 150 mg.mar. -may 2004 ctmedfree til july 2005 back to Prozac gaining weight again,back on wellbutrin jan.2006150-300 mg.bad constipation.also was taking aygestin(hormone)perimenopausal irregular bleeding.back on Prozac around sept,?2006,hysterectomy jan30.2007(adenomyosis)off&on Prozac til 2009,citalopram about 1 mo, April 2010 no effect,Effexor again may -mar, 2011.ct,Prozac aug,-dec, 2011 &sept-nov 2012,paroxetine oct,23 2013-may 4 2014 20 mgs.tapered 6 wks.-failed RI in Oct.2014-in protracted WD.started 10 mgs. Fluoxetine May 25 2021 .Stopped fluoxetine May 2022 at 5 mgs.

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Sorry for you bad day DS :(

Yes I think that's what they are... My thyroid meds also have been moved around, and it didn't help... I think I shouldn't have touched that even if they said the labs weren't optimal.

Yes feeling anxious and depressed, same here, I absolutely understand. The crazy insomnia has been there for a year now. It feels like it will never end. I wish we lived close by so at least we could share in person and go for a quit walk...

 

Hope it gets better for both of us too. xx

2000-2001: Effexor              2005-2012: Celexa, Zoloft, Effexor, desipramin, Wellbutrin, mirtazepin, Lamictal, Remeron, Abilify, nortriptylin, Cipralex, Cymbalta, and others I don't remember. Really bad side effects to all.
Sept-Nov 2012: Paxil 20mg, Wellbutrin 100mg, Imovane 5mg      Nov 2012: Paxil 20mg --> 10mg
Dec 2012: Paxil 10mg-->0; 1 week later: HUGE WD symptoms. Started to get informed on the internet and back to 10mg Paxil.
Dec 2012-Jan 2013: Paxil 10mg, Wellbutrin 100mg, Imovane 2.5mg        End Jan 2013: P 9mg, W 100mg, I 2.0mg
Feb 2013: P 8mg, W 100mg, I 1.5mg      April 2013: P 7mg, W 100mg, I 1.25mg       May 2013: P 7mg, W 90mg, I 1mg    

June 2013: P 7mg, W 80mg, I 0mg       July 1/2013: P 7, W 70     July 22/2013: P 7, W 60             Aug 2013: P 7, W 50       Sept 2013: P 6.1, W 50     Oct 2013: P up to 6.3, W 50     Nov 2013: P 6.2 to 5.9, W 50      Dec 2013: P 5.9, W 40      Jan 2014: P 5.3, W40        Feb 2014: P 5.3, W 30      March-April 2014: P 5.3, W 26    May 2014: P 5.3, W 20        June 2014: P 5.3 W 15     July 2014:  P 5.3, W 14       Aug 2014: P 5.3, W up to 15     Sept 2014: P 5.3, W 14    Oct 2014: P 4.8, W 14      Nov 2014: P 4.3, W 14     Dec 2014-Jan 2015: P 3.9, W 14     Feb 2015: P 3.9, W 12    March 2015: P 3.6, W 12   April-May 2015: P 3.3, W 12    June 2015: P 3.3, W 10    July 2015: P 3.3, W 8   Aug-Sept 2015: P 3.3, W 6   Oct 2015: P 3.0, W 6   Nov 2015: P 2.7, W 6   Dec 2015: P 2.4, W 6   Jan-Feb 2016: P 2.4, W 5  March 2016: P 2.2, W 5   April 2016: P 2.2, W 4   May-June 2016: P 2.2, W 3  July 2016: P 2.2, W 2  Aug 2016: P 2.2, W 1  Sept 2016: P 2.2, W 0!!  Oct 2016: P 2.0   Nov 2016-Jan 2017: P 1.8  Feb-Mar 2017: P 1.9  April-May 2017: P 1.8   June 2017: P 1.6 July-Dec 2017: P 1.5  Jan-April 2018: P 1.6

Others: Cytomel 25mcg (thyroid), vit. C, vit D, Omega-3 fish oil, Magnesium bisglycinate , Melatonin 1mg, 81mg Aspirin, Milk peptides, L-theanine, Valericalm tincture mix, scullcap tincture, Suan Zao Ren (jujube seeds)

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thanks @Athena

yes it would be nice to see someone in person who understands this...today I feel like I can hardly walk across the room.😞

 

take care,ds

xx

went on Prozac 1994-99,60mg.poopout ct  back on 2001-2002,prozac weekly 2002,not working,Effexor 75 mg.?2003-mar.2004 gaining weight 8wk. taper,wellbutrin 150 mg.mar. -may 2004 ctmedfree til july 2005 back to Prozac gaining weight again,back on wellbutrin jan.2006150-300 mg.bad constipation.also was taking aygestin(hormone)perimenopausal irregular bleeding.back on Prozac around sept,?2006,hysterectomy jan30.2007(adenomyosis)off&on Prozac til 2009,citalopram about 1 mo, April 2010 no effect,Effexor again may -mar, 2011.ct,Prozac aug,-dec, 2011 &sept-nov 2012,paroxetine oct,23 2013-may 4 2014 20 mgs.tapered 6 wks.-failed RI in Oct.2014-in protracted WD.started 10 mgs. Fluoxetine May 25 2021 .Stopped fluoxetine May 2022 at 5 mgs.

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Today was a bad one for me. I hope you guys are doing well.

Paxil 20mg from 1998-2011 

Paxil 40mg from 2011-2012 while experiencing poopout

October 2013 quit cold turkey

Oct-mid Nov 2013 great window

Late November WD nightmare 

Windows and waves pattern 

Now: 28 months cold turkey...doing decent learning to deal with the windows/waves pattern fighting it every step of the way. 

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