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"Intoxication Anosognosia: The Spellbinding Effect of Psychiatric Drugs", Ethical Human Psychology and Psychiatry, 8, 201-215, 2006.
 

ABSTRACT: Why do so many individuals persist in taking psychoactive substances, including psychiatric drugs, after adverse mental and behavioral effects have become severe and even disabling? The author has previously proposed the brain-disabling principle of psychiatric treatment that all somatic psychiatric treatments impair the function of the brain and mind. Intoxication anosognosia (medication spellbinding) is an expression of this druginduced mental disability. Intoxication anosognosia causes the victim to underestimate the degree of drug-induced mental impairment, to deny the harmful role that the drug plays in the person’s altered state, and in many cases compel the individual to mistakenly believe that he or she is functioning better. In the extreme, the individual displays out-of-character compulsively destructive behaviors, including violence toward self and others.

 

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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For years I thought I had never felt better.  I was taking Effexor and after having many adverse reactions and withdrawals from other ssri drugs I thought maybe they were right and all I needed was to find the drug right for my body.  

 

Looking back I had suffered a lot from drug changes withdrawal and reactions to feel a "up" was a relief.  I had been so beat down by 11 years of on off drugs and all the reactions side effects that at the time I did not know were drug induced.  Effexor was my savior as I felt not sick... so to be not sick I had to keep taking it.  For one thing it stopped withdrawal from paxil got me out of bed after taking respiridal I could eat again after months of not eating well and was a size 4 when I went on E.  

 

All the tricks and slight of hand we now understand to be drug reactions the long long years of suffering of questioning of fighting hard to force healing and mind over matter... at first it made me mad to learn this was all drug induced.  Mad turned to sad for all the lost time and lost joy sad for what could have been.  Sad it continues to be the trickery that others live with... daily in our world. 

 

Looking back now Effexor being my savior meant I could never go off it... hell would be at the door should I not take my magic pill that stops withdrawal in its tracks.  Fear kept me drugged for sure...but more than that... I had a different life on Effexor a completely different person emerged out of that bottle of pills and while I know that was me under the influence of drugs I lost 7 years to this altered personality.  For part of that time I also took celexa and I can't know what affect the two drugs had on me if I would have been completely changed by one drug... or if it was the combination.  I am sorry but I can't say my thinking was altered so badly I can't discern it to tell you. 

 

So while E made me high as a kite as good as any drink I had ever had no better way better if booze had that effect on me I would have been an alcoholic.  I was stoned... and life was changed but it felt good... I was not suffering in the same way I was use to.  The new ways I was suffering were oddly mostly hidden from me.  On some level I knew I was not able to think well...  some things would come to my mind from time to time and I would get a glimpse of awareness but I could not hold onto it.  My consciousness was changed... things slipped threw my mind like a wet fish slips from a hand it was gone I could not get it back. 

Some level of deeper thought was no longer available to me I just could not think anymore. 

 

In some strange way I think back to this and do the if only... I had learned sooner but truly that is a trap of its own this is where I am and I am stuck here there are no do overs in this life.  Only forward... 

 

In some ways I think this term new to me "Intoxication Anosognosia" fits perfectly yet I feel there is more to it than this... more hang over effects of how on earth does one heal from it.  How does spending so much time altered and thinking your happy change how we see life after the fact and after getting clean.  Part of me thinks to ride this train of being high everyday and out of touch with yourself requires something special to put humpty back together again.  I just don't know what?  

 

To me I was normal for a long time... then I had pain and was given ssri to treat pain... they made me crazy instead.  

From there on it was one mountain to climb after the other... more dx after the last.. more new drugs...more side effects reactions it has been my entire life. 

The longest stretch of stability I had was while taking Effexor... I was at least working and thought I was functional... so ya I did quit my job and become a stripper with all that meant and it meant a lot... somehow while drugged that did not phase me.  It was suddenly ok to be naked in public I shudder to think of it now... 

 

I can't quite put this thought line together I feel something is missing maybe too many pieces are just gone and humpty will forever stay... in pieces. 

 

I am curious if others who have been at this a long time have the same issue or thought processes.  I wonder too if people who abused illegal drugs have this as I somehow think they do... the term in the title may be the start but it is not the end it does not say how to heal from this.  I think it needs to be expanded and hope some of you have some ideas on forward motion where this is concerned. 

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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I found his book on this topic, Medication Madness, very helpful. It doesn't so much answer the questions you have about how to recover and emerge--that's been a long and challenging road that I'm still on. But it's got a lot of stories about individuals and I found that just seeing that other people had gone crazy on psych meds, helped me learn to forgive and trust myself and my thinking again. I recommend the book.

Started on Prozac and Xanax in 1992 for PTSD after an assault. One drug led to more, the usual story. Got sicker and sicker, but believed I needed the drugs for my "underlying disease". Long story...lost everything. Life savings, home, physical and mental health, relationships, friendships, ability to work, everything. Amitryptiline, Prozac, bupropion, buspirone, flurazepam, diazepam, alprazolam, Paxil, citalopram, lamotrigine, gabapentin...probably more I've forgotten. 

Started multidrug taper in Feb 2010.  Doing a very slow microtaper, down to low doses now and feeling SO much better, getting my old personality and my brain back! Able to work full time, have a full social life, and cope with stress better than ever. Not perfect, but much better. After 23 lost years. Big Pharma has a lot to answer for. And "medicine for profit" is just not a great idea.

 

Feb 15 2010:  300 mg Neurontin  200 Lamictal   10 Celexa      0.65 Xanax   and 5 mg Ambien 

Feb 10 2014:   62 Lamictal    1.1 Celexa         0.135 Xanax    1.8 Valium

Feb 10 2015:   50 Lamictal      0.875 Celexa    0.11 Xanax      1.5 Valium

Feb 15 2016:   47.5 Lamictal   0.75 Celexa      0.0875 Xanax    1.42 Valium    

2/12/20             12                       0.045               0.007                   1 

May 2021            7                       0.01                  0.0037                1

Feb 2022            6                      0!!!                     0.00167               0.98                2.5 mg Ambien

Oct 2022       4.5 mg Lamictal    (off Celexa, off Xanax)   0.95 Valium    Ambien, 1/4 to 1/2 of a 5 mg tablet 

 

I'm not a doctor. Any advice I give is just my civilian opinion.

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I found his book on this topic, Medication Madness, very helpful. It doesn't so much answer the questions you have about how to recover and emerge--that's been a long and challenging road that I'm still on. But it's got a lot of stories about individuals and I found that just seeing that other people had gone crazy on psych meds, helped me learn to forgive and trust myself and my thinking again. I recommend the book.

Thanks Rhi I am sure I read it.  I read them all. I can't say I recall everything and this post today was me hitting sore spot and reaching for something... I don't know what some form of understanding for a map of how to get beyond it... I slip a lot.  I fall in holes still when I try to process things don't come out right I forget what I want to say... and it all pisses me off and I want somebody to tell me what to do to make this go away and to have my life back and all the while I know if anyone knew it would be a very slim flow char... a simple guideline.  We will all be different some days I feel utterly and completely lost not just in the world I live in where nobody believes me but inside myself too.  On those days I may be force out of myself because of pain and write something  like what you see here. 

I truly don't think my answers are in books at this point but maybe I should pick it up again or maybe it was one my library could not get... I am not paying for it... too cheap and poor. 

 

thanks for the thought I appreciate it

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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http://breggin.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=53

 

"Intoxication Anosognosia: The Spellbinding Effect of Psychiatric Drugs", Ethical Human Psychology and Psychiatry, 8, 201-215, 2006.

 

ABSTRACT: Why do so many individuals persist in taking psychoactive substances, including psychiatric drugs, after adverse mental and behavioral effects have become severe and even disabling? The author has previously proposed the brain-disabling principle of psychiatric treatment that all somatic psychiatric treatments impair the function of the brain and mind. Intoxication anosognosia (medication spellbinding) is an expression of this druginduced mental disability. Intoxication anosognosia causes the victim to underestimate the degree of drug-induced mental impairment, to deny the harmful role that the drug plays in the person’s altered state, and in many cases compel the individual to mistakenly believe that he or she is functioning better. In the extreme, the individual displays out-of-character compulsively destructive behaviors, including violence toward self and others.

 

So true. Thank you btdt.

1999 - 2004 Paroxetine 20mg  -> 2004 - 2007 Citalopram 20mg -> 2007 -  short term Trazedone use (insomnia) -> 2007 - 2009 Fluoxetine 20mg  ->

2009 - Jan 2012 Citalopram 20mg  (Spring / Summer 2012 protracted withdrawal & related agoraphobia) -> 2012 - September Restarted Citalopram - unbearable start up effects. Discontinued in under 1 week -> Oct 12 -   October 2014 Escitalopram - 10mg prescribed. Started on 5mg and worked up to 10mg in 2.5mg increments  -> Oct 2014  - 5mg; 30/03/15 2.5mg; 15/04/15 3.5mg; 20/05/15 2.9mg;  19/09/15 2.8mg; 30/10/15 2.7mg; 13/11/15 2.6mg. Holding until March.

Diet:  mostly pescatarianl & lots of veg. Weekly offal for b vitamins.  Turmeric, nigella seeds, avocados, apple cider vinegar, coconut products daily. Lots of fluids: water, lemon juice, coconut water, herbal & green tea (decaffeinated).

Supplements: vitamin C 4000mg, Omega 3 fish oil - high DPA & EHA, vitamin E 400iu, vitamin D3 5000mg (Winter only - from sun in Spring / Summer), probiotics.

Current Symptoms: chronic fatigue, erratic sleep, extreme photophobia, eye floaters, noise sensitivity, tinnitus, cognitive & speech difficulties, dizziness, irregular gait, poor co ordination, severe facial and upper body muscle tension, head and neck pressure.

Coping Strategies: good nutrition, cooking, gardening & growing my own food, cycling, dancing, yoga, photography, sewing & creative pursuits, self massage, pampering, meditation, journalling, nature, cuddling cats & humans, laughter & humour, gratitude, self care, aromatherapy, audio books, word games & believing in myself, my potential and my future.

 

"Everything I need is within me" - Shakti Gawain

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For years I thought I had never felt better.  I was taking Effexor and after having many adverse reactions and withdrawals from other ssri drugs I thought maybe they were right and all I needed was to find the drug right for my body.  

 

Looking back I had suffered a lot from drug changes withdrawal and reactions to feel a "up" was a relief.  I had been so beat down by 11 years of on off drugs and all the reactions side effects that at the time I did not know were drug induced.  Effexor was my savior as I felt not sick... so to be not sick I had to keep taking it.  For one thing it stopped withdrawal from paxil got me out of bed after taking respiridal I could eat again after months of not eating well and was a size 4 when I went on E.  

 

All the tricks and slight of hand we now understand to be drug reactions the long long years of suffering of questioning of fighting hard to force healing and mind over matter... at first it made me mad to learn this was all drug induced.  Mad turned to sad for all the lost time and lost joy sad for what could have been.  Sad it continues to be the trickery that others live with... daily in our world. 

 

Looking back now Effexor being my savior meant I could never go off it... hell would be at the door should I not take my magic pill that stops withdrawal in its tracks.  Fear kept me drugged for sure...but more than that... I had a different life on Effexor a completely different person emerged out of that bottle of pills and while I know that was me under the influence of drugs I lost 7 years to this altered personality.  For part of that time I also took celexa and I can't know what affect the two drugs had on me if I would have been completely changed by one drug... or if it was the combination.  I am sorry but I can't say my thinking was altered so badly I can't discern it to tell you. 

 

So while E made me high as a kite as good as any drink I had ever had no better way better if booze had that effect on me I would have been an alcoholic.  I was stoned... and life was changed but it felt good... I was not suffering in the same way I was use to.  The new ways I was suffering were oddly mostly hidden from me.  On some level I knew I was not able to think well...  some things would come to my mind from time to time and I would get a glimpse of awareness but I could not hold onto it.  My consciousness was changed... things slipped threw my mind like a wet fish slips from a hand it was gone I could not get it back. 

Some level of deeper thought was no longer available to me I just could not think anymore. 

 

In some strange way I think back to this and do the if only... I had learned sooner but truly that is a trap of its own this is where I am and I am stuck here there are no do overs in this life.  Only forward... 

 

In some ways I think this term new to me "Intoxication Anosognosia" fits perfectly yet I feel there is more to it than this... more hang over effects of how on earth does one heal from it.  How does spending so much time altered and thinking your happy change how we see life after the fact and after getting clean.  Part of me thinks to ride this train of being high everyday and out of touch with yourself requires something special to put humpty back together again.  I just don't know what?  

 

To me I was normal for a long time... then I had pain and was given ssri to treat pain... they made me crazy instead.  

From there on it was one mountain to climb after the other... more dx after the last.. more new drugs...more side effects reactions it has been my entire life. 

The longest stretch of stability I had was while taking Effexor... I was at least working and thought I was functional... so ya I did quit my job and become a stripper with all that meant and it meant a lot... somehow while drugged that did not phase me.  It was suddenly ok to be naked in public I shudder to think of it now... 

 

I can't quite put this thought line together I feel something is missing maybe too many pieces are just gone and humpty will forever stay... in pieces. 

 

I am curious if others who have been at this a long time have the same issue or thought processes.  I wonder too if people who abused illegal drugs have this as I somehow think they do... the term in the title may be the start but it is not the end it does not say how to heal from this.  I think it needs to be expanded and hope some of you have some ideas on forward motion where this is concerned. 

I don't have the answers for you, btdt. I think that we pick some useful information and skills along the way to rebuild our identity.

 

Humpty Dumpty was a fairy tale and fairy tales often have happy ending. I think that the happiest ending overall would be for the mass medication of people to stop and damage done to be acknowledged. Maybe this will not happen in our lifetime. Where damage has already been done to you, I & so many others, we have to be the ones to find our 'happy ever after'.

 

I wish you well on your journey.

 

Tilly x

1999 - 2004 Paroxetine 20mg  -> 2004 - 2007 Citalopram 20mg -> 2007 -  short term Trazedone use (insomnia) -> 2007 - 2009 Fluoxetine 20mg  ->

2009 - Jan 2012 Citalopram 20mg  (Spring / Summer 2012 protracted withdrawal & related agoraphobia) -> 2012 - September Restarted Citalopram - unbearable start up effects. Discontinued in under 1 week -> Oct 12 -   October 2014 Escitalopram - 10mg prescribed. Started on 5mg and worked up to 10mg in 2.5mg increments  -> Oct 2014  - 5mg; 30/03/15 2.5mg; 15/04/15 3.5mg; 20/05/15 2.9mg;  19/09/15 2.8mg; 30/10/15 2.7mg; 13/11/15 2.6mg. Holding until March.

Diet:  mostly pescatarianl & lots of veg. Weekly offal for b vitamins.  Turmeric, nigella seeds, avocados, apple cider vinegar, coconut products daily. Lots of fluids: water, lemon juice, coconut water, herbal & green tea (decaffeinated).

Supplements: vitamin C 4000mg, Omega 3 fish oil - high DPA & EHA, vitamin E 400iu, vitamin D3 5000mg (Winter only - from sun in Spring / Summer), probiotics.

Current Symptoms: chronic fatigue, erratic sleep, extreme photophobia, eye floaters, noise sensitivity, tinnitus, cognitive & speech difficulties, dizziness, irregular gait, poor co ordination, severe facial and upper body muscle tension, head and neck pressure.

Coping Strategies: good nutrition, cooking, gardening & growing my own food, cycling, dancing, yoga, photography, sewing & creative pursuits, self massage, pampering, meditation, journalling, nature, cuddling cats & humans, laughter & humour, gratitude, self care, aromatherapy, audio books, word games & believing in myself, my potential and my future.

 

"Everything I need is within me" - Shakti Gawain

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For years I thought I had never felt better.  I was taking Effexor and after having many adverse reactions and withdrawals from other ssri drugs I thought maybe they were right and all I needed was to find the drug right for my body.  

 

Looking back I had suffered a lot from drug changes withdrawal and reactions to feel a "up" was a relief.  I had been so beat down by 11 years of on off drugs and all the reactions side effects that at the time I did not know were drug induced.  Effexor was my savior as I felt not sick... so to be not sick I had to keep taking it.  For one thing it stopped withdrawal from paxil got me out of bed after taking respiridal I could eat again after months of not eating well and was a size 4 when I went on E.  

 

All the tricks and slight of hand we now understand to be drug reactions the long long years of suffering of questioning of fighting hard to force healing and mind over matter... at first it made me mad to learn this was all drug induced.  Mad turned to sad for all the lost time and lost joy sad for what could have been.  Sad it continues to be the trickery that others live with... daily in our world. 

 

Looking back now Effexor being my savior meant I could never go off it... hell would be at the door should I not take my magic pill that stops withdrawal in its tracks.  Fear kept me drugged for sure...but more than that... I had a different life on Effexor a completely different person emerged out of that bottle of pills and while I know that was me under the influence of drugs I lost 7 years to this altered personality.  For part of that time I also took celexa and I can't know what affect the two drugs had on me if I would have been completely changed by one drug... or if it was the combination.  I am sorry but I can't say my thinking was altered so badly I can't discern it to tell you. 

 

So while E made me high as a kite as good as any drink I had ever had no better way better if booze had that effect on me I would have been an alcoholic.  I was stoned... and life was changed but it felt good... I was not suffering in the same way I was use to.  The new ways I was suffering were oddly mostly hidden from me.  On some level I knew I was not able to think well...  some things would come to my mind from time to time and I would get a glimpse of awareness but I could not hold onto it.  My consciousness was changed... things slipped threw my mind like a wet fish slips from a hand it was gone I could not get it back. 

Some level of deeper thought was no longer available to me I just could not think anymore. 

 

In some strange way I think back to this and do the if only... I had learned sooner but truly that is a trap of its own this is where I am and I am stuck here there are no do overs in this life.  Only forward... 

 

In some ways I think this term new to me "Intoxication Anosognosia" fits perfectly yet I feel there is more to it than this... more hang over effects of how on earth does one heal from it.  How does spending so much time altered and thinking your happy change how we see life after the fact and after getting clean.  Part of me thinks to ride this train of being high everyday and out of touch with yourself requires something special to put humpty back together again.  I just don't know what?  

 

To me I was normal for a long time... then I had pain and was given ssri to treat pain... they made me crazy instead.  

From there on it was one mountain to climb after the other... more dx after the last.. more new drugs...more side effects reactions it has been my entire life. 

The longest stretch of stability I had was while taking Effexor... I was at least working and thought I was functional... so ya I did quit my job and become a stripper with all that meant and it meant a lot... somehow while drugged that did not phase me.  It was suddenly ok to be naked in public I shudder to think of it now... 

 

I can't quite put this thought line together I feel something is missing maybe too many pieces are just gone and humpty will forever stay... in pieces. 

 

I am curious if others who have been at this a long time have the same issue or thought processes.  I wonder too if people who abused illegal drugs have this as I somehow think they do... the term in the title may be the start but it is not the end it does not say how to heal from this.  I think it needs to be expanded and hope some of you have some ideas on forward motion where this is concerned. 

I don't have the answers for you, btdt. I think that we pick some useful information and skills along the way to rebuild our identity.

 

Humpty Dumpty was a fairy tale and fairy tales often have happy ending. I think that the happiest ending overall would be for the mass medication of people to stop and damage done to be acknowledged. Maybe this will not happen in our lifetime. Where damage has already been done to you, I & so many others, we have to be the ones to find our 'happy ever after'.

 

I wish you well on your journey.

 

Tilly x

 

 

It feels like we have to do everything like Cinderella... take the drug suffer the taking suffer the healing withdrawal... fight to be acknowledged ...find happily ever after ....

where the hell is that prince late again bugger it all... 

 

It sure won't happen in our lifetime if we are waiting on the prince... he is not coming we are going to have to do everything ourselves with a Cinderella mop and broom... to boot. 

 

I wonder how it all ends. I wonder....

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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Today I took my "with a Cinderella mop and broom..." my brain on the easiest of tours old information.  Hoping to find something that might help me.  I found this doctor who looks interesting to me.. for a number of reasons but not sure I can add him to the list as I won't be able to see him he lives in Texas I can't even get to Texas .. no mention of paying him.  He would need paying as he is that sort of doc. 

This is what he has to say about one thing I have not to me but it generally on his site for anyone to read...at this link

https://web.archive.org/web/20101021073553/http://www.doctordavidclark.com/cms/PeripheralNeuropathy

 

PeripheralNeuropathy

 

Peripheral Neuropathy

Peripheral neuropathy means damage to the peripheral nervous system (PNS). The PNS is a huge part of your nervous system that transmits information from the brain and spinal cord (the central nervous system) to every other part of the body—and back again. It's a two-way street. Peripheral neuropathy interferes with the normal communication back and forth.

Because there are many kinds of peripheral nerves—each with a highly specialized function—damage to peripheral nerves can cause many different symptoms: numbness, tingling, prickling, burning, pins-and-needles, sensitivity to touch, sensitivity to cold or heat, weakness--even paralysis.

But here's the really bad part about peripheral neuropathy, the part that confuses most doctors and prolongs your misery...

Just because you feel symptoms in your feet doesn't mean that's where the problem is. The problem could be the nerves in your feet, but it could also be anywhere along the path from the feet to the parietal lobe in the brain.

The parietal lobe is where all of the sensory information from your peripheral nerves is processed.

Simply put, if the parietal lobe becomes weak you're going to feel symptoms such as tingling, burning, pain, numbness. These symptoms feel and look like peripheral neuropathy but they're actually caused by a weak parietal lobe.

To make things worse, the real cause of your symptoms may be that your immune system is attacking your peripheral nerves and damaging them (autoimmune attack).

Most people suffering with symptoms of peripheral neuropathy have a complex combination of causes. Taking a medication like Neurontin® and crossing your fingers and hoping it's going to get better is not going to work.

 

I don't know that part of the brain .. never heard much about it... 

so I hit wiki

Look what I found there

 

 

it would seem the problem is in this area of the brain and does not sound to mysterious at all... 

"Damage to the right hemisphere of this lobe results in the loss of imagery, visualization of spatial relationships and neglect of left-side space and left side of the body. Even drawings may be neglected on the left side. Damage to the left hemisphere of this lobe will result in problems in mathematics, long reading, writing, and understanding symbols. The parietal association cortex enables individuals to read, write, and solve mathematical problems.The sensory inputs from the right side of the body go to the left side of the brain and vice-versa."

 

I can say when I was taking effexor I was always lost as I could not visualize a map after i looked at it .. or much else.. it is a creepy thing to realize I told my friend I use to be able to think of something in my head first imagine it... to sew.. pattern concepts... I am trained or was to do some engineering drawings interpret them .. check strength of materials in my head .. to make an alert is something is off.. I was trained for this work because testing showed my spacial relations was extremely high... all before drugs of course.  

I find it interesting to find this small bit of information that is so important to me... in such a nondescript and casual  way... considering all the doctors I have mentioned this to who ignored the issue or at least did not address it head on with me.  

amazing... 

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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