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Alternative to Meds Center in Sedona, Arizona?

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Luna

Has anyone ever heard of this center?

 

It sounds too good to be true to me.

 

Does anyone know of any centers that provide good care while coming off meds?

One that doesn't prescribe meds to get off meds?

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Altostrata

I have personal experience with that center. I do not recommend it.

 

GiaK also went there. She does not recommend it.

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Satch

What was everyone's experience like.  It seems like it isn't what the website portrays it to be.

 

I guess there is really no easy way out of this mess.

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DevastatedWife

I don't know if this is the right place on this forum but I'm curious it anyone has heard of or attended Alternatives to Meds in Arizona?  I was recently made aware of this facility and their website claims to understand antidepressant withdrawal syndrome.  My husband attended a facility but he was unfortunately misdiagnosed as bi-polar and given different medication upon leaving that place.  We had another 6 months of hell after he was discharged because of that!  If only I knew then what I know now, I would have looked into this place rather than the others that were presented.

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brassmonkey

Hi DevastatedWife--  I just took a look at their website, very slick and professional, must have cost them a bundle.  The first thing you see is a big note "Financing Available". For the entire 8 week program they want $46,000, and the $7000 a month for follow up until your get better. Anyone fast tapering like that will have a rough time that will be alleviated somewhat by pampering and diet.  At the end of which they will probably feel wonderful.  This is the honeymoon period that most CTs feel before they hit the wall at three months off.  We see it here all the time and the results aren't pretty. 

 

They base their entire ADWD program on the "chemical imbalance theory" which was disproved years ago.

The testing they do has nothing to do with ADs. Which BTW can not be tested for with urine tests.

Their programs lasts 4 or 8 weeks which is essentially a CT that will require you to return for many months of follow up care because your one of the "tough cases".

The rest is teaching you self care and healthy eating.

 

My personal belief is they have a good success rate because people can't afford to return for follow up and they are in such a bad place from the CT that they don't have the mental strength to fight back.

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ChessieCat

It's a beautifully designed website ticking all the right boxes for the desperate consumer who is after a quick fix.

 

My personal belief is they have a good success rate because people can't afford to return for follow up and they are in such a bad place from the CT that they don't have the mental strength to fight back.

 

I agree with this but it could also be that they think their original problems have returned or that they have a new condition.

 

Thankfully we can get a lot of what we need here and it's FREE!!!

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Altostrata

This facility operated in San Francisco, California for a while, before moving to Arizona. I have personal experience there as a peer counselor. I do not recommend it.
 
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Alternative-to-Meds-Center-to-close-3165798.php
 

Alternative to Meds Center to close
April 10, 2009
 
An unlicensed and nontraditional residential drug-treatment center in San Francisco's Mission District will be forced to close following a city Planning Commission vote Thursday.

The Alternative to Meds Center had been operating its residential facility in a large Victorian house at 827 Guerrero St. since August without the required city permits for group housing situations.

Representatives of several neighborhood groups filled the commission's hearing room to speak out against the center, which had between six and 10 residents at any given time.

Neighbors said the center's leaders had lied about contributing $5,000 to a neighborhood greening effort, failed to enforce rules that forbid residents from leaving the property alone and had repeatedly changed their story about what services were offered at the house.

The state Department of Alcohol and Drug Programs issued the center a violation notice last Friday for offering services such as counseling, education and detoxification programs without a license.

Neighbors said that other unlicensed services had been provided at the house and that ambulances had been frequently called over the past several months.
 
"Their program schedule had acupuncture and they have no license for that. They had medication on-site, and they have no license for that. They made alterations to their Web site from what had been 'drug rehabilitation' to 'health education,' " said Gillian Gillett, who lives nearby.

Lyle Murphy, the center's founder and director, is a trained chiropractor. On Thursday, he described the center's treatment as "orthomolecular medicine" and said it relates to establishing the neurotransmitter balance in a person's body.

Murphy told the commission that he was in discussions with state regulators to have the violations rescinded and said that they were based on a misunderstanding about the center's services.

But his testimony was not enough to sway the commissioners who voted unanimously against issuing the permit for group housing.


I had many, many conversations with Lyle regarding the lack of validity of the "chemical imbalance" theory and particularly how it doesn't apply to withdrawal symptoms.

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JanCarol

We had a member visit, and here is the report from her parent, from her thread:

 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/12493-lex1992-4-months-off-of-lexapro-extreme-anxietyruminating-cant-function-properly/page-1#entry244891

 

Summary:  a beautiful place. 

Lex1992 was already fully off her antidepressant, and suffering intense neuro-emotion, and probably akathisia.

It seemed that her distress was too much for the clinic to handle, so when Lex walked out, she was not re-admitted.

 

They do not understand withdrawal, and are not prepared to handle spiritual emergency.

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manymoretodays

That's awful Drugfree Prof, 

 

I wound up in the psych hospital 2 years ago when I inadvertently(should have known better too) went from 5mg. Lexapro(1/2 of a 10mg. tablet) to 3 mg. of a liquid preparation.  Then they took me off it completely.  Whooosh.........good times.......sorry, what can I do but laugh.  However, my hospital experience was better than what you describe above.  There was an immediate withdrawal that was pretty shaky........though I wasn't out of touch with reality............my best description of me at that time was pretty disorganized cognition and autonomic nervous system gone haywire...........and then the aftermath W/D.  I think it took 9 days to work my way out of the hospital.......and like I said.......it was one of the better ones around my area.

 

Thanks for alerting us all again.

 

mmt

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street129
On 01/09/2016 at 6:32 AM, Altostrata said:

This facility operated in San Francisco, California for a while, before moving to Arizona. I have personal experience there as a peer counselor. I do not recommend it.
 
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Alternative-to-Meds-Center-to-close-3165798.php
 

 

I had many, many conversations with Lyle regarding the lack of validity of the "chemical imbalance" theory and particularly how it doesn't apply to withdrawal symptoms.

 

i just spoke to someone at Meds Center in Sedona, Arizona tonight about using their service... after reading the link you provided i guess i will not take out that loan to attend the center. i will keep looking for help elsewhere. glad i read that.

 

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DrugfreeProf

I would love Alto and others to weigh in at Mad in America in response to the praise heaped upon Alternative to Meds Center in Sedona, AZ, where my daughter (and others) have had very bad experiences.  The author did a follow up survey of people who went through the center and claims positive results. I continue to have my doubts. Have a look, Alto and others who have a good sense of seeing past the flaws in the research design. See the comments, especially.

https://www.madinamerica.com/2019/02/evidence-based-holistic-drug-treatment-document-effective/#comment-150118

 

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Altostrata

Here are my two posts awaiting moderator approval:
 

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I have personal experience with Alternative to Meds Center and in no way would call their approach evidence-based.

 

Over months of volunteering there, I found absolute ignorance of withdrawal symptoms and a great deal of overpromising in regards to their supplement regimens, which are based on orthomolecular principles of “balancing neurotransmitters.”

 

There certainly is no evidence base for those orthomolecular regimens: The “neurotransmitter imbalance” theory has been thoroughly debunked in the rest of the world.

Because of the supplements, clients are supposed to be able to go off multiple psychiatric drugs with minimal withdrawal issues within a very short stay. On my Web site, SurvivingAntidepressants.org, where we urge a gradual taper based on individual tolerance to dosage reductions — which can take many months — we have gotten reports of very bad outcomes at Alternative to Meds Center.

 

Quick recovery from a fast taper is a tribute to individual nervous system resiliency, not a function of overpriced supplements.

 

In addition, Alternative to Meds Center follows an addiction rehab model, which holds you have to suffer through withdrawal syndrome to break your dependency habit. This is inappropriate applied to psychiatric drugs (and, in my opinion, is counter-productive in going off addictive drugs).

 

Essentially, ATMC is a basic addiction detox center with alternative medicine garnishes. If they addressed psychiatric drug tapering, your local drug detox program would provide the same services at lower cost (usually covered by health insurance) with about the same quality of care.

 

There is a lot of gas-lighting, manipulation, and woo-waving at ATMC, which is a common pitfall in alternative treatments. I would not trust any of their internal data, much less testimonials or Yelp reviews.

 

On paper, ATMC offers a very appealing model. If I could recommend it for psychiatric drug withdrawal, I would be happy to send everyone there, despite the high cost. Rather, on SurvivingAntidepressants.org, we make it clear that we do not recommend Alternative to Meds Center in Sedona, Arizona.

 


 

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Dr. Corrigan, please supply a full statement of your conflicts of interest regarding Alternative to Meds Center.

 

Here is the report you provided https://www.alternativetomeds.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/ATMC_OutcomeStudy2018.pdf as Vice President, Multi-Dimensional Education Inc.

 

More about your company here http://www.mdedinc.com/httpdocs/about_us

 

Did ATMC commission you to do this study? Thank you.

 

 

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DrugfreeProf

What a great couple of rejoinders, Alto. They hit the nail right on the head.  Thanks so much for weighing in.

It's troublesome to consider the possibility that people suffering from severe protracted WD might be persuaded to enroll at the ATMC, given the conclusions drawn from that article.

The researcher emphasizes how "scientific" his report is. Where is the evidence that high doses of supplements, exercise, and group psychotherapy, which ATMC uses (along with healthy eating) are effective in combatting WD symptoms?

My take is that the survey data mentioned in the article reflects the reports from the proportion of people (perhaps half?) who do NOT suffer severely from WD symptoms upon discontinuing ADs. These people would have recovered with or without ATMC, and maybe faster without it. For people in protracted WD their program could prove disastrous--as I pointed out in my comments to the article (written under the handle Happytobefree).

 

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