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I had a terrifying tooth and jaw pain yesterday while I was in gym. I don't know if I would have died from it if not for the immediate dipping into the pool which lessoned quite a bit the pain. Cold water, especially entire body like in pool always helps me.

Drug free Sep. 23 2017

2009 Mar.: lexapro 10mg for headache for 2 weeks.

2009-2012: on and off 1/4 to 1/3 of 10mg

2012 June--2013 Jan,: 1/4-1/3 of 10mg generic, bad jaw pain

2013 Jan-Mar: 10 mg generic. severe jaw and head pain;

2013 Mar--Aug. started tapering (liquid ever since) from 10 to 5 (one step) then gradually down to 2.25 mg by July. first ever panic attack, severe head/jaw pain

2013 Aug.: back to 2.75 mg; Nov: back to Brand Lex. 2.75mg -- 3mg,

2014 June: stopped PPI, head pressure/numbness. up-dosed 4.5mg, severe reaction mental symptoms added on

2014 Aug--2015 Aug: Micro taper down to 3.2mg, .025mg (<1%) cut holding 2-3 weeks.

2015 Aug 15th, Accidental one dose of 4.2mg. worsening brain non-functional, swollen head, body, coma like, DR

2016 Feb., started dosing 10am through 11 pm everyday 2/13--3.2mg, 3/15-- 2.9mg, 4/19-- 2.6mg, 6/26--2.2mg, 7/22 --1.9mg, 8/16--1.8mg，8/31--1.7m g, 9/13--1.6mg, 9/27--1.5mg, 10/8--1.4mg, 10/14--1.3mg， 11/1--1.2mg, 11/29--1.1mg, 12/12--1mg, 12/22--0.9mg

2017: 1/7--0.8mg, 1/15--0.7mg, 1/17--0.6mg, 1/20--0.52, 1/21--0.4mg, 1/22--0.26, 1/23--0.2, 2/13--0.13mg, 2/20--0.06mg, 3/18--0.13mg, 6/1--0.12mg, 7/6--0.1mg, 7/14--0.08mg, 8/17--0.04mg, 8/20--0.03mg, 8/28--0.02mg, 9/6--0.0205mg, 9/8--0.02mg, 9/17--0.015mg, 9/20--0.01mg, 9/21--0.0048mg, 9/22--0.0001mg,

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I have just recently got hit with the tmj sympton. Throbbing jaw and horrible wierd pain under all my teeth.I don't know if it's withdrawl or not?? I'm having a lot of physical pain at this part of my wd and sometimes I just don't know if it's the medicine or not????

Been taking paroxatine for approx 15 years.Tried a few times yo stop but failed. Am currently on 3.5mg liquid

Jan 2016 been slow tapering paroxatine and i am currently at 2.9 mg and last drop was 5 weeks ago.

Started to feel awful about 3 weeks ago with brain ???? , shakes, blurred vision and dizzyness. ..

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Here is one interesting thing I have had soooo much tooth pain jaw too but this is about teeth... last time my teeth were hurting and I had sores in my mouth I just happened to be using Bio Gaia L. Reuteri at 5 drops a day it is a probiotic in the fridge at the health food store under 35$  .. I put on drop on the tooth one on the sore.. I have not had a painful tooth since... yes one drop... 

 

I am out now and I said I would never be without it again... 

 

Jaw is a bad one 

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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Ok, after 5 day straight terrifying tooth pain plus pain all over the left side face, jaw, head, I eventually went to my dentist as I felt the pain under the tooth was more like a real toothache caused by tooth problem. He could not find an explanation from the X-ray but sent me to another dentist who does root canal. So there I was, a root canal was done immediately the same day after a 3d X-ray. Thought the problem is fixed but after all soreness from the procedure is gone, the toothache came back. Still don't know if the root canal was done for any good or even necessary in the first place. Will have to wait and see as I don't know really anymore. Can't believe all these weird problems caused by the meds. I'm also at 3.4mg middle of the slow tapering lexapro.

Drug free Sep. 23 2017

2009 Mar.: lexapro 10mg for headache for 2 weeks.

2009-2012: on and off 1/4 to 1/3 of 10mg

2012 June--2013 Jan,: 1/4-1/3 of 10mg generic, bad jaw pain

2013 Jan-Mar: 10 mg generic. severe jaw and head pain;

2013 Mar--Aug. started tapering (liquid ever since) from 10 to 5 (one step) then gradually down to 2.25 mg by July. first ever panic attack, severe head/jaw pain

2013 Aug.: back to 2.75 mg; Nov: back to Brand Lex. 2.75mg -- 3mg,

2014 June: stopped PPI, head pressure/numbness. up-dosed 4.5mg, severe reaction mental symptoms added on

2014 Aug--2015 Aug: Micro taper down to 3.2mg, .025mg (<1%) cut holding 2-3 weeks.

2015 Aug 15th, Accidental one dose of 4.2mg. worsening brain non-functional, swollen head, body, coma like, DR

2016 Feb., started dosing 10am through 11 pm everyday 2/13--3.2mg, 3/15-- 2.9mg, 4/19-- 2.6mg, 6/26--2.2mg, 7/22 --1.9mg, 8/16--1.8mg，8/31--1.7m g, 9/13--1.6mg, 9/27--1.5mg, 10/8--1.4mg, 10/14--1.3mg， 11/1--1.2mg, 11/29--1.1mg, 12/12--1mg, 12/22--0.9mg

2017: 1/7--0.8mg, 1/15--0.7mg, 1/17--0.6mg, 1/20--0.52, 1/21--0.4mg, 1/22--0.26, 1/23--0.2, 2/13--0.13mg, 2/20--0.06mg, 3/18--0.13mg, 6/1--0.12mg, 7/6--0.1mg, 7/14--0.08mg, 8/17--0.04mg, 8/20--0.03mg, 8/28--0.02mg, 9/6--0.0205mg, 9/8--0.02mg, 9/17--0.015mg, 9/20--0.01mg, 9/21--0.0048mg, 9/22--0.0001mg,

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Ok, after 5 day straight terrifying tooth pain plus pain all over the left side face, jaw, head, I eventually went to my dentist as I felt the pain under the tooth was more like a real toothache caused by tooth problem. He could not find an explanation from the X-ray but sent me to another dentist who does root canal. So there I was, a root canal was done immediately the same day after a 3d X-ray. Thought the problem is fixed but after all soreness from the procedure is gone, the toothache came back. Still don't know if the root canal was done for any good or even necessary in the first place. Will have to wait and see as I don't know really anymore. Can't believe all these weird problems caused by the meds. I'm also at 3.4mg middle of the slow tapering lexapro.

I have had sooo many root canals since wd started and some of those teeth have been pulled now... so much for all the fuss.  The problem for me is I have reacted to the freezing the last two times.  So I am now scared of the dentist to boot.  I had reactions from freezing since wd started but for a long time we thought it was the epinephrine so I started freezing without it.. till I had a reaction a serious one causing neurological issues for months... that reaction was from lidocaine.  The next reaction was from one of those root canals was being removed was from marcaine... shoulder and kidney pain that got worse over the wk and had me in emerg... nobody else thinks it was a drug reaction but I do. I know it in my gut. 

The first reaction was put down as a TIA the second some kidney issue... I think both were reactions to the drug and am not at all interested in seeing a dentist for anything as I know in my gut I am at risk for more reactions. 

 

I wonder if whatever it is that causes our teeth to fail and ache and eventaly get pulled has anything to do with this. 

 

Bone formation is determined by hormones...maybe it affects teeth too. 

 

Bliziotes, M. (2010). Update on serotonin and bone. Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism, 95 (9), 2124-4132. Recognizes that there are serotonin transporter on the membranes of cells involved in bone turn over. Indicates that SSRIs are associated with decreased bone mass, increased bone loss, and increased fractures.

 

See Kawail, M., & Rosen, C. J. (2010). Minireview: a skeleton in serotonin’s closet? Endocrinology, 151(9), 4103-4108. Contains list of studies finding bone loss with SSRIs

 

For some reason I can't find the silicon article... I put it on SA a few years back.. here is a new link

 

  • Bone news, articles and information: - Natural News
    www.naturalnews.com/bone.html
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    4/29/2014 10:43:51 AM - Two recent studies looking at the human frame and how it has ... 2/26/2014 - Red clovers make beautiful flowers that can now be found just about ...Top-selling antidepressants double your bone fracture risk ..... that certain kindsof beer are rich in dietary silicon that keeps bones strong and wards.

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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If any of you sat beside me over the years and watch many ssri bashing articles disappear you too would know it is not happening by accident a focused effort is made to keep information showing the damage quiet.

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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Muscle spasms see this

https://books.google.ca/books?id=nqrjeYwa7foC&pg=PA135&lpg=PA135&dq=rattling+bones+prozac&source=bl&ots=naj2ApPY2s&sig=a8GBI4xGsbd5CzExwgMti_5Et-k&hl=en&sa=X&ei=hQ6QVYfKLMOSyAS4_IKQBg&ved=0CB0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=rattling%20bones%20prozac&f=false

 

old book online 

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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Those are good info bpdt! I am so sorry you had such a horrible experience with your teeth problems caused by the damn drug! It is simply heartbroken!

 

Now 4 days since the procedure, I'm still in bad pain underneath the tooth, PLUS soreness in the nearby area, and PLUS new pains all over my head, face, shoulder, upper back on the same side! I can't take any medication due to the WD except for some topical ones. I went back to the dentist and asked for something for the pain, he gave me some paste that he uses to numb you up before the injection of the idocaine for temp release, also a solution to wash for bacterial infection or something.

 

How long did it take you for the side effect (reaction) to subside? Being so used to the pain over the 2+ yr WD, I feel this is very challenging and disabling as my typical WD pains usually gives me breaks during evenings while this one is 24/7.

Drug free Sep. 23 2017

2009 Mar.: lexapro 10mg for headache for 2 weeks.

2009-2012: on and off 1/4 to 1/3 of 10mg

2012 June--2013 Jan,: 1/4-1/3 of 10mg generic, bad jaw pain

2013 Jan-Mar: 10 mg generic. severe jaw and head pain;

2013 Mar--Aug. started tapering (liquid ever since) from 10 to 5 (one step) then gradually down to 2.25 mg by July. first ever panic attack, severe head/jaw pain

2013 Aug.: back to 2.75 mg; Nov: back to Brand Lex. 2.75mg -- 3mg,

2014 June: stopped PPI, head pressure/numbness. up-dosed 4.5mg, severe reaction mental symptoms added on

2014 Aug--2015 Aug: Micro taper down to 3.2mg, .025mg (<1%) cut holding 2-3 weeks.

2015 Aug 15th, Accidental one dose of 4.2mg. worsening brain non-functional, swollen head, body, coma like, DR

2016 Feb., started dosing 10am through 11 pm everyday 2/13--3.2mg, 3/15-- 2.9mg, 4/19-- 2.6mg, 6/26--2.2mg, 7/22 --1.9mg, 8/16--1.8mg，8/31--1.7m g, 9/13--1.6mg, 9/27--1.5mg, 10/8--1.4mg, 10/14--1.3mg， 11/1--1.2mg, 11/29--1.1mg, 12/12--1mg, 12/22--0.9mg

2017: 1/7--0.8mg, 1/15--0.7mg, 1/17--0.6mg, 1/20--0.52, 1/21--0.4mg, 1/22--0.26, 1/23--0.2, 2/13--0.13mg, 2/20--0.06mg, 3/18--0.13mg, 6/1--0.12mg, 7/6--0.1mg, 7/14--0.08mg, 8/17--0.04mg, 8/20--0.03mg, 8/28--0.02mg, 9/6--0.0205mg, 9/8--0.02mg, 9/17--0.015mg, 9/20--0.01mg, 9/21--0.0048mg, 9/22--0.0001mg,

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My TMJ/jaw clenching is miserable right now. I had a night guard made by my dentist. It certainly helps but in waves I still have horrible jaw pain throughout the day. It doesn't click or pop, but it makes me dizzy and makes my DP/DR worse.

 

Good times!

Lexapro from October 2012-October 2014

10mg from Oct 2012-Feb 2013, 20mg from Feb 2013-June 2013, 10mg from July 2013-April 2014
Began taper via liquid Lexapro from April 2014-September 2014(Roughly 6 month taper)---0.00 on Oct 1 2014--WD began in December 2014

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Reinstated to 10mg - 10mg Tablet October 15, 2015 - Stable by Mid-January, 2016

2016 - 9mg 3/26/16....8mg 5/11/16....7mg 7/05/16....6mg 8/26/16....5mg 10/31/16

2017 - 4mg 3/06/17....3mg 6/24/17....2mg 9/07/17...1.25mg 10/21/17....1mg 11/04/2017

2018 - 0.75mg 1/21/18....0.5mg 2/18/18....0.25mg 3/13/18....0.125mg 3/27/18....0.000 4/9/18

 

Supplements - 15B probiotic on and off. Usually helps w/ mood but sometimes is too activating.

 

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Teeth clenching apparently affects gum health and tooth roots, too.Why not get a night guard to chew on at night, it doesn't hurt except for the cost if you get one custom-made?

I agree. My head symptoms all improved after getting a mouthguard. I was clenching so badly I not only broke a crown but cracked the root of the tooth. After getting the mouthguard I noticed how much I was clenching my jaw in the day too. You couldn't believe such good effects could come from a simple mechanical solution. Nose ears throat sinuses all linked to each other

Paxil 10mg 21/2 years to June 2012 after a 2 month taper

 

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I had jaw pain a couple months ago (during my Paxil taper). My dentist said I'm grinding my teeth (Bruxism) and she said Paxil is notorious for causing this.  She did a few tests to rule out teeth issues, and found my mouth was enflamed, both sides, though it was only my left that hurt. I had popping sounds too when I opened and closed. She gave me a high dose of Ibuprofen and some Valium to take before bedtime to relax the muscles in my face. That did the trick after a couple weeks. 

Been on Paxil 14 years. 40mg for the bulk of those.

20mg in 2014

10mg March of 2015 - then tapered to 5mg

Then to 2.5 to 1.5 - to 1mg, from Mar-August.

As of August 23 2015, I am flying without a net.  Paxil free!

WD symptoms since tapering mid- 2015:

Short temper, hostile. Brain zaps. Bruxism. Wild vivid dreams  Hives Food intolerance Lump in throat, . Joint pain. Knees, elbows.  Pain in feet. Numbness in hands. Shaking, like I'm cold. Trembling. Tremors, muscle twitches all over. Facial tics. Eye, lips. Head.  Floaters in my eyes. Severe Insomnia (between months 4-5)  then returned from March-October 2016. I'm sleeping better now. Dreams have returned to normal (month 7) High levels of anxiety when around large crowds or in large rooms. Intestinal spasms, heartburn.  Dizzy spells.  Panic/Anxiety Attacks suddenly developed months 8 out.  4 years out, 98% feeling back to normal.  (October 9 2019)

 

 

 

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I had jaw pain a couple months ago (during my Paxil taper). My dentist said I'm grinding my teeth (Bruxism) and she said Paxil is notorious for causing this. She did a few tests to rule out teeth issues, and found my mouth was enflamed, both sides, though it was only my left that hurt. I had popping sounds too when I opened and closed. She gave me a high dose of Ibuprofen and some Valium to take before bedtime to relax the muscles in my face. That did the trick after a couple weeks.

You must know Valium is a highly addictive benzodiazepine and people can become addicted after 5 tablets and the WD syndrome is at least as bad as SSRI s. Presumably you are off or tapering an SsRi. I m curious. Could you just stop the Valium without problem ? You are much braver than I am

Paxil 10mg 21/2 years to June 2012 after a 2 month taper

 

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I had jaw pain a couple months ago (during my Paxil taper). My dentist said I'm grinding my teeth (Bruxism) and she said Paxil is notorious for causing this. She did a few tests to rule out teeth issues, and found my mouth was enflamed, both sides, though it was only my left that hurt. I had popping sounds too when I opened and closed. She gave me a high dose of Ibuprofen and some Valium to take before bedtime to relax the muscles in my face. That did the trick after a couple weeks.

You must know Valium is a highly addictive benzodiazepine and people can become addicted after 5 tablets and the WD syndrome is at least as bad as SSRI s. Presumably you are off or tapering an SsRi. I m curious. Could you just stop the Valium without problem ? You are much braver than I am

 

I only took the valium 2 or 3 times MAX.  And not on consecutive nights.   I was weary about taking it, and only did so to see if it would help. Once i saw improvement, I stopped. My problem was that I was constantly grinding my teeth and clenching my jaw at night, creating the enflamed and painful environment.

 

(edit) I've been tapering, and having a multitude of w/d effects, so if I had any adverse effects after taking it, it was probably chalked up to my paxil withdrawal. I was miserable those few weeks, so its hard to tell if any of that was attributed to the valium.

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Been on Paxil 14 years. 40mg for the bulk of those.

20mg in 2014

10mg March of 2015 - then tapered to 5mg

Then to 2.5 to 1.5 - to 1mg, from Mar-August.

As of August 23 2015, I am flying without a net.  Paxil free!

WD symptoms since tapering mid- 2015:

Short temper, hostile. Brain zaps. Bruxism. Wild vivid dreams  Hives Food intolerance Lump in throat, . Joint pain. Knees, elbows.  Pain in feet. Numbness in hands. Shaking, like I'm cold. Trembling. Tremors, muscle twitches all over. Facial tics. Eye, lips. Head.  Floaters in my eyes. Severe Insomnia (between months 4-5)  then returned from March-October 2016. I'm sleeping better now. Dreams have returned to normal (month 7) High levels of anxiety when around large crowds or in large rooms. Intestinal spasms, heartburn.  Dizzy spells.  Panic/Anxiety Attacks suddenly developed months 8 out.  4 years out, 98% feeling back to normal.  (October 9 2019)

 

 

 

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Surprised your dentist didn't suggest a mouthguard. Bruxism went on a long time for me sure I d have it now without mouthguard. Sincerely. I wouldn't go the Valium route

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Also I found this forum on neuropathy induced by SSRIs

http://ehealthforum.com/health/neuropathy-from-using-prozac-t187252.html

 

As I say repeatedly on this forum, it's nerve damage.   http://ehealthforum.com/health/neuropathy-from-using-prozac-t187252.html

 

The clenching of the jaw, eye pain, burning face, twitching is all related to neuropathy of the trigeminal nerve.  very similar if not the same as trigeminal neuralgia.

 

If you look at a picture of the nerves in the skull, you'll see quite clearly that damage to the trigeminal nerve (i.e., neuropathy) would clearly result in pain in the upper and lower jaw:

 

http://www.facialpainrelief.com/trigeminal-neuralgia/

 

Because these nerves control muscular action, damage to these neurons will also lead to mifiring or over firing of the nerves that control the masseter muscle and others which control jaw movement.

 

This IS REVERSABLE.  I used to have unbearable pain and clenching of the jaw, and it has slowly evaporated over a couple of years.  So there is a great deal of hope out there, but it takes time.

 

I have also used a mouth guard - but then my symptoms started to abate within a month of the purchase, and I didn't need it so much anymore.

 

Healing happens, it's just slow and painful.  In the mean time, a mouth guard is an excellent selection.

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I was supposed to see an orthodontist about doing some other work, and was going to have him make me the mouthguard. I'm putting that off till next year due to insurance money having run out for this year.  But I'll have my dentist make me one instead since it'll be faster. Though, I'm not sure I grind anymore as the pain has been gone for a couple months.

Been on Paxil 14 years. 40mg for the bulk of those.

20mg in 2014

10mg March of 2015 - then tapered to 5mg

Then to 2.5 to 1.5 - to 1mg, from Mar-August.

As of August 23 2015, I am flying without a net.  Paxil free!

WD symptoms since tapering mid- 2015:

Short temper, hostile. Brain zaps. Bruxism. Wild vivid dreams  Hives Food intolerance Lump in throat, . Joint pain. Knees, elbows.  Pain in feet. Numbness in hands. Shaking, like I'm cold. Trembling. Tremors, muscle twitches all over. Facial tics. Eye, lips. Head.  Floaters in my eyes. Severe Insomnia (between months 4-5)  then returned from March-October 2016. I'm sleeping better now. Dreams have returned to normal (month 7) High levels of anxiety when around large crowds or in large rooms. Intestinal spasms, heartburn.  Dizzy spells.  Panic/Anxiety Attacks suddenly developed months 8 out.  4 years out, 98% feeling back to normal.  (October 9 2019)

 

 

 

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 i had recurring abscesses above my front 4 teeth needless to say those teeth fell out :( i had only had so much as a back tooth out and the odd filling prior to taking the poison.

 

Last night i felt a big hard lump at the back of my upper pallet ...

 

 

If your still around could you please update.  I think we may have something in common.  I have had problems with my mouth teeth since before quitting E... it got a lot worse after I quit and comes and goes now for years.  Recently I have had what you describe above... the recurring abscesses around some of my teeth it seems to be the same ones all the time it comes and goes

 

 

I've been having this problem too, always on the right side. Up until now its been my lower jaw. Now I've got pain in my upper gums and it feels like an absess has formed towards the back of my upper pallet like buxy wrote back in 2011. Its very painful. This is probably the 6th time its happened since withdrawal started, it usually lasts several days and then subsides. My jaw goes out of alignment and it feels like teeth are moving, then it all settles back down. At the moment I've also got pain in my jaw under my right ear when I press on it.

 

Headache and tension in my face, neck and shoulder complete the experience. I took some aspirin earlier and they helped a little, but the last one didn't do much. I just took an ibuprofen, its the first time I took one of those in withdrawal, I hope it will be ok.

 

Like others, I never had these kinds of issues before lexapoison.

 

btdt, are you still getting this?

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Brief Summary

Several SSRIs for 13 years starting 1997 (for mild to moderate partly situational anxiety) Xanax PRN ~ Various other drugs over the years for side effects

2 month 'taper' off Lexapro 2010

Short acute withdrawal, followed by 2 -3 months of improvement then delayed protracted withdrawal

DX ADHD followed by several years of stimulants and other drugs trying to manage increasing symptoms

Failed reinstatement of Lexapro and trial of Prozac (became suicidal)

May 2013 Found SA, learned about withdrawal, stopped taking drugs...healing begins.

Protracted withdrawal, with a very sensitized nervous system, slowly recovering as time passes

Supplements which have helped: Vitamin C, Magnesium, Taurine

Bad reactions: Many supplements but mostly fish oil and Vitamin D

June 2016 - Started daily juicing, mostly vegetables and lots of greens.

Aug 2016 - Oct 2016 Best window ever, felt almost completely recovered

Oct 2016 -Symptoms returned - bad days and less bad days.

April 2018 - No windows, but significant improvement, it feels like permanent full recovery is close.

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Hi Skybert

 

I also want to mention that probably my teeth ache is not just because of grinding in the night. I think that the nerves in my teeth are inflamed. If my nerves die then I would need a root canal like what happened with one of my tooth. If they get better then everything should be fine. I am saying this because when I gradually stopped luvox last year I started getting peripheral neuropathy. So, in my opinion ssri meds also affect the peripheral nervous system. 

 

Also I came across the website "the road back" and ordered their supplements. I am sure you must have also heard about this website. I was initially worried to order anything from there because no one knows whether they are trying to make money or are really trying to help.  Also I had not other option and at this point I had already wasted so much money on dental treatment that spending a few dollars on their supplements didn't seem that I would lose anything. Within 30 minutes of taking their supplement I found immediate relief. The uneasiness in my teeth is till there but it has only been a day that I have taken their supplement. After about 20-25 days of being on too much ibuprofen, yesterday was the first day that I could do without it. My TMJ hasn't improved at all on taking this supplement but I am glad that tooth ache is in control and I can live without ibuprofen.  I am hoping that continued use of their supplement as they prescribe should help me with the withdrawal. I am just so relived that i do not have to take ibuprofen. I emailed them before ordering anything from their website. They provide free consultation over email and suggested me to only take neuro endure mini. They have other supplements listed on their website as well but they said that for my particular case I only need neuro endure mini and not anything else. Because they did not try to lure me to purchase all the supplements that they sell I am thinking that may be the are really trying to help. I thought that I should let you know. I will also keep updating about how I am doing on this supplement and whether my symptoms improve or get worse. I am hoping they don' get worse.

 

 

Thanks

So what in "euro endure minis "?  I refuse to take anything if they will not tell me the ingredients as I have a list of things I know I cannot take.  Will they tell you what is in the bottle?  Is there a list of ingredients on the bottle you have?

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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 i had recurring abscesses above my front 4 teeth needless to say those teeth fell out :( i had only had so much as a back tooth out and the odd filling prior to taking the poison.

 

Last night i felt a big hard lump at the back of my upper pallet ...

 

 

If your still around could you please update.  I think we may have something in common.  I have had problems with my mouth teeth since before quitting E... it got a lot worse after I quit and comes and goes now for years.  Recently I have had what you describe above... the recurring abscesses around some of my teeth it seems to be the same ones all the time it comes and goes

 

 

I've been having this problem too, always on the right side. Up until now its been my lower jaw. Now I've got pain in my upper gums and it feels like an absess has formed towards the back of my upper pallet like buxy wrote back in 2011. Its very painful. This is probably the 6th time its happened since withdrawal started, it usually lasts several days and then subsides. My jaw goes out of alignment and it feels like teeth are moving, then it all settles back down. At the moment I've also got pain in my jaw under my right ear when I press on it.

 

Headache and tension in my face, neck and shoulder complete the experience. I took some aspirin earlier and they helped a little, but the last one didn't do much. I just took an ibuprofen, its the first time I took one of those in withdrawal, I hope it will be ok.

 

Like others, I never had these kinds of issues before lexapoison.

 

btdt, are you still getting this?

 

 

It would seem we all have it.  This past wk I I have had the lumps in my mouth but this time thought it part of the allergic reaction or the treatment of it. Oddly enough last year I tried the bio gaia for something I can't recall what... gut likely.  My teeth were doing their dance again.  Since I learned I could only tolerate 3 I think it was 3 drops a day I used one of those drops on a particular tooth that was acting up and it fixed it... So till the bottle was done I placed one of the three drops on that tooth and it has held till now... I had a tooth bothering me again around the time I took the AB I reacted too and I bought another bottle of bio gaia so I would have it just in case it got bad.  I did not want to open it as it only last a time and has to be thrown out... I have not use it yet as I have been waiting to see if the tooth settles I have been using extra home made tooth paste on that tooth and some oregano oil... my home made tooth paste is baking soda and coconut oil as I react to toothpaste now. 

 

I am not toying with the idea of the bio gaia again for the lump that seems to has settled if the tooth or the lump become an issue again I will use it and let you know if it works again.  Just now I am trying to limit my use of things as I am in a reactive state according to my doctor. I need to read back in my old posts and see why I started using the bio gaia in the first place... I hate reading back. 

peace all

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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I got the flu and I don't know if that has triggered a massive wave or what- Got the flu Feb11, was starting to better and then WHAM about 4 days ago I was back to where I was when I first got the flu, only with a much worse cough and no bladder control, oh joy.  I've now been sick for almost a full month. I have no appetite, I'm weak and I can't stop coughing. I've had fever, chills, even random stomach pains.

 

 

But the thing that is really getting me down is the horrible random stabbing pains all over my head, my ears (no, not inside my ears, mind you, my damn ear lobes!!) also stabbing facial pains etc

 

this can't be anything other than WD, Nothing I've ever had feels like this.

 

I take celebrex on a daily basis for orthopedic reasons, so I can't take any other pain relievers

 

I have tried icing my head- sometimes it helps but sometimes It almost seems to make it worse

 

does any one have any suggestions for what to do for this?

I want to say I don't know how much more of this I can take, but I know the answer to that is, I'll take it as long as it lasts..........

but if ANYTHING can help ease it up a bit I"m willing to give it a shot.

I have very low dose klonopin that I use for muscle spasms and restless legs, would that help the head pain at all? it kind of feels like random spasms on my scalp and face...

I also have a real muscle relaxer that I was given for one of my numerous ortho issues. I never ever take a full dose of that, I literally chip off a tiny bit of the tablet.

would that help?

 

I have never had any issues taking those drugs in the past as I take tiny doses so very rarely.  The doc tells me the doses I take "don't do anything at all" and wonders why I bother, but even a tiny chip off a flexerill pill can knock me out for hours so clearly it does something!!!

PLEASE DO NOT SEND ME PRIVATE MESSAGES, thank you. 

  • pysch med history: 1974 @ age 18 to Oct 2017 (approx 43 yrs total) 
  •  Drug list: stelazine, haldol, elavil, lithium, zoloft, celexa, lexapro(doses as high as 40mgs), klonopin, ambien, seroquel(high doses), depakote, zyprexa, lamictal- plus brief trials of dozens of other psych meds over the years
  • started lexapro 2002, dose varied from 20mgs to 40mgs. First attempt to get off it was 2007- WD symptoms were mistaken for "relapse". 
  •  2013 too fast taper down to 5mg but WD forced me back to 20mgs
  •  June of 2105, tapered again too rapidly to 2.5mgs by Dec 2015. Found SA, held at 2.5 mgs til May 2016 when I foolishly "jumped off". felt ok until  Sept, then acute WD hit!!  reinstated at 0.3mgs in Oct. 2106
  • Tapered off to zero by  Oct. 2017 Doing very well. 
  • Nov. 2018 feel 95% healed, age 63 
  • Jan. 2020 feel 100% healed, peaceful and content
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Oh gosh, I know these pain so well as I lived and still am living with them daily!

Only two things seemed help a bit. Take a horizontal position like lying down, and swim.

 

Lexapro is infamous giving these and other strange and severe symptoms.

Drug free Sep. 23 2017

2009 Mar.: lexapro 10mg for headache for 2 weeks.

2009-2012: on and off 1/4 to 1/3 of 10mg

2012 June--2013 Jan,: 1/4-1/3 of 10mg generic, bad jaw pain

2013 Jan-Mar: 10 mg generic. severe jaw and head pain;

2013 Mar--Aug. started tapering (liquid ever since) from 10 to 5 (one step) then gradually down to 2.25 mg by July. first ever panic attack, severe head/jaw pain

2013 Aug.: back to 2.75 mg; Nov: back to Brand Lex. 2.75mg -- 3mg,

2014 June: stopped PPI, head pressure/numbness. up-dosed 4.5mg, severe reaction mental symptoms added on

2014 Aug--2015 Aug: Micro taper down to 3.2mg, .025mg (<1%) cut holding 2-3 weeks.

2015 Aug 15th, Accidental one dose of 4.2mg. worsening brain non-functional, swollen head, body, coma like, DR

2016 Feb., started dosing 10am through 11 pm everyday 2/13--3.2mg, 3/15-- 2.9mg, 4/19-- 2.6mg, 6/26--2.2mg, 7/22 --1.9mg, 8/16--1.8mg，8/31--1.7m g, 9/13--1.6mg, 9/27--1.5mg, 10/8--1.4mg, 10/14--1.3mg， 11/1--1.2mg, 11/29--1.1mg, 12/12--1mg, 12/22--0.9mg

2017: 1/7--0.8mg, 1/15--0.7mg, 1/17--0.6mg, 1/20--0.52, 1/21--0.4mg, 1/22--0.26, 1/23--0.2, 2/13--0.13mg, 2/20--0.06mg, 3/18--0.13mg, 6/1--0.12mg, 7/6--0.1mg, 7/14--0.08mg, 8/17--0.04mg, 8/20--0.03mg, 8/28--0.02mg, 9/6--0.0205mg, 9/8--0.02mg, 9/17--0.015mg, 9/20--0.01mg, 9/21--0.0048mg, 9/22--0.0001mg,

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Are you hydrated... I have a couple of ideas.  

Pedialyte it is for babies when they are sick I drank bottles of it in wd.. get it at the drug store try a small bottle just chug it down it doesn't taste good but you will get use to it in time if it helps. Really helped me with fall down sort of dizziness...

 

Epson salt baths.... 

Those are the two emergency things I suggest top rack for feeling sick... for body pain...the bath helps and here are some ohters

 

Try heat on your spine and cold on your head neck or upper back at the same time for me this seems to confuse the nerves into some sort of kick start.. and eased everything....

Deep relaxation there are a lot of videos here but if you search deep relaxation on utube the first one that comes up is my fav... I do he heat cold thing as the same time as the video.... 

repeat.... 

 

When you can gentle walking in nice place the place matters... 

 

Magnesium citrate is what I use to help ease body pain/spasm.... early on I learned I can't tolerate 150mg I now grind it in a coffee grinder and have a tiny bit as needed but others can take it no problem. 

 

I hope something here helps... 

 

I wish you peace... 

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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This may not apply... on the off chance this doc is onto something I am going to tell you. 

 

Recently in perspective the last couple of years after I thought it was mostly gone.... I had a car accident in 2012 had a whiplash and some other crap.... I do not want to focus too much on that or for fear I will get stuck in the weeds and never say what I came here to say. 

 

Fast forward to now.... my hearing has been impaired I noticed this in the last year but declined a ear nose and throat referral as I had too many doc apts and was already over whelmed... it stayed got worse with a prednisone reaction.... more weeds...

 

The hearing and dizziness remained on an intermittent basis... a month ago I caved and seen the ent doc I have seen him before and found I could not communicate well with him... English is his second language and I ramble like a tumble weed trying to tell a story to get to the facts I have to talk it out as I can't think even writing it out first seems to fail me.  This is part of the reason I did not want to go... more failure I don't need.  

 

This trip I tried to stick to the facts I also do but often can't...

 

I told him I had this car accident and was not hearing well and was dizzy... easy facts and let it sit.. he tested my hears and it is impaired in one ear.  Took a long hard look at me it seems he was studying my head and posture. Then he gave this exercise to do.... which I have been doing best I can and I think it is changing things I would never have expected.  dizzy yes but thinking too and some kind of drainage in my head digestion and general health improvements.  Why I don't know... 

 

Trying the exercise was horrid in the beginning I could not do all he asked I could barely do any tho it is simple...my teeth hurt all the teeth on one side then he other I found this extremely odd and is one of the reasons I kept trying to do the exercise...my teeth no longer hurt when I do it but the fact that they did hurt says to me there is something going on... and it may help me. 

 

There two sorts of tooth pain I have had in wd... all the teeth on one side would hurt in a general way and then a few teeth would hurt or one in a very serious tooth ache way... I have found bio gaia put directly on the tooth helped the latter... have had tons of drugs for the former thinking it was a sinus infection. 

 

Here is the exercise if you want to try it... sit on the side of the bed... feet hanging over... put a pillow on either side of you and turn your head 25% towards the side your going to lean and put your head on the pillow stay there 3 minutes do the same on the other side.

Repeat this 5x for each side it will take one half hour to do one set of 10.  Do on set of 10 5xs a day. 

 

Sounds easy right first time I tried I had the pillows at my side as that is what he said literally and I could not stand the pain in my neck and head so I moved the pillows to be under my head which made it tolerable barely.  The first wk I never did the 5 sets of 10 more like one set of 3 and had a head ache the rest of the day.... but I kept trying.  I liked the idea the treatment was not a pill I am in physio for my neck ect and there was a noticeable increase in pain and a lot of discontentment when I started this exercise... physio guy said why do it ... what does it help and I told him I could not explain it to him as I could not put my finger on it but there was something really important to me that I needed to find out about... just an inkling... maybe it was helping me think better... feel better generally tho it was killing my neck and back. 

 

I am in the thrid wk and can do the 5 sets of 10 I go back to see this doc next wk... I am curious very curious as to what this exercise was meant to do... other professionals I have seen have had me do something like this to move the fluid in the ear but it is not exactly the same.. and did not work.   There is more to this I just don't know what... he is Chinese and I can't help but think he has some ancient Chinese wisdom he can't communicate well to me or that I am too communicatively challenged to understand if he did try to tell me. You can be sure I will be giving understanding a shot when I see him again... but am also quite ready to take this as it sits ... and leave it there... it has helped me and will be in my tool box and something to try forever. 

 

I have no idea if this could help you or not but it can't hurt to try. 

wishing you peace

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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The head sensations are horrid, unbearable at times, I try everything I can too reduce, heating pad, ice packs, Epsom salt baths, covering my eyes with a cool cloth, sometimes it helps and sometimes it doesn't, it is frustrating and scary at times.

10 years citalopram 30mg- tapered down in December 15/2015- Jan 15/2016 to 20mg for two weeks, ten for one week and five for another week, then stopped, less then two weeks later, sheer hell broke lose with debilitating withdrawal symptoms.

 

Update-- reinstated 5mg of celexa on feb 5-- within hours noticed immediate difference in WD symptoms-- Holding holding and more holding.

 

Updose- March 23/16 too 10mg- relieved the harsher head symptoms- current symptoms headaches, dizzy, numbness and tingling in my head.

 

Benzos- 2015-Ativan on and off for 6 months 2mg- switched to clonazepam nov 2015- 2mg till Jan 2016 Zopiclone 7.5mg nov-dec 2015- was tapered off over 4weeks- Currently in protracted withdrawal. ????????????????????????????????

 

Update- ended up in the hospital April 18/16 major suicidal ( never had that before) was admitted/ been there ever since, put me back to full dose celexa 30mg no drugs added, IAM FINALLY STABLE AFTER 3 months of tortuous hell. Got a great physiatrist that new all about WD, he will help me taper properly in a couple of months at 5% deductions holding 8 weeks. I never want to relive that hell again.

 

Udate- stable and holding, doing things slowly is key.

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As I sit here I think to myself, we'll try to think ????the head symptoms I have should take me straight to the hospital, in shear panic that something terrible is happening, instead I tell myself it's th Ad. Everyday is a battle against numbness, tingling, pressure behind eyes, it feels endless, has anyone else experienced this?

10 years citalopram 30mg- tapered down in December 15/2015- Jan 15/2016 to 20mg for two weeks, ten for one week and five for another week, then stopped, less then two weeks later, sheer hell broke lose with debilitating withdrawal symptoms.

 

Update-- reinstated 5mg of celexa on feb 5-- within hours noticed immediate difference in WD symptoms-- Holding holding and more holding.

 

Updose- March 23/16 too 10mg- relieved the harsher head symptoms- current symptoms headaches, dizzy, numbness and tingling in my head.

 

Benzos- 2015-Ativan on and off for 6 months 2mg- switched to clonazepam nov 2015- 2mg till Jan 2016 Zopiclone 7.5mg nov-dec 2015- was tapered off over 4weeks- Currently in protracted withdrawal. ????????????????????????????????

 

Update- ended up in the hospital April 18/16 major suicidal ( never had that before) was admitted/ been there ever since, put me back to full dose celexa 30mg no drugs added, IAM FINALLY STABLE AFTER 3 months of tortuous hell. Got a great physiatrist that new all about WD, he will help me taper properly in a couple of months at 5% deductions holding 8 weeks. I never want to relive that hell again.

 

Udate- stable and holding, doing things slowly is key.

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Oh yes. I have so much pain and general discomfort in my head. If I could only regain enough mental energy to be able to enjoy, let alone understand, a game or a movie, maybe time would go by faster

Effexor 150mg July 2011 - March 2014

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I'm sorry for that, it is so very uncomfortable and no one deserves to go through it.

10 years citalopram 30mg- tapered down in December 15/2015- Jan 15/2016 to 20mg for two weeks, ten for one week and five for another week, then stopped, less then two weeks later, sheer hell broke lose with debilitating withdrawal symptoms.

 

Update-- reinstated 5mg of celexa on feb 5-- within hours noticed immediate difference in WD symptoms-- Holding holding and more holding.

 

Updose- March 23/16 too 10mg- relieved the harsher head symptoms- current symptoms headaches, dizzy, numbness and tingling in my head.

 

Benzos- 2015-Ativan on and off for 6 months 2mg- switched to clonazepam nov 2015- 2mg till Jan 2016 Zopiclone 7.5mg nov-dec 2015- was tapered off over 4weeks- Currently in protracted withdrawal. ????????????????????????????????

 

Update- ended up in the hospital April 18/16 major suicidal ( never had that before) was admitted/ been there ever since, put me back to full dose celexa 30mg no drugs added, IAM FINALLY STABLE AFTER 3 months of tortuous hell. Got a great physiatrist that new all about WD, he will help me taper properly in a couple of months at 5% deductions holding 8 weeks. I never want to relive that hell again.

 

Udate- stable and holding, doing things slowly is key.

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The 'head' symptoms started for me at about 12 months off. Sometimes I feel that my head will actually explode, sometimes one side gets really hot, any pressure - even leaning back on a chair - causes tingling and numbness, sometimes even brushing my hair hurts or putting on a hat! Constantly got some kind of headache or eye strain. Talking too much hurts! At first, put it down to the osteoarthritis in my neck but my neck feels fine, probably doesn't help but not the cause I don't think. One day........................!

Chronic Fatigue Syndrome for 32 years, given AD for this condition alone in 2000

Zoloft 100mg for 15 years, last five of these complained about adverse effects,

unable to tolerate other meds even supplements

Slowly felt sicker, advised by different Dr maybe on ads for too long

Cut back 100 - 50 over 6 months, still getting worse, so stopped over about 6 weeks starting Dec 2014

First month, slow, emotional, useless then POW! Horrendous withdrawal symptoms, completely non-functional

for about five months, slowly started to come back to life and continue with waves and windows, still more bad than good, but bads are less bad, and goods slightly better each time

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You are right, one day!!!

10 years citalopram 30mg- tapered down in December 15/2015- Jan 15/2016 to 20mg for two weeks, ten for one week and five for another week, then stopped, less then two weeks later, sheer hell broke lose with debilitating withdrawal symptoms.

 

Update-- reinstated 5mg of celexa on feb 5-- within hours noticed immediate difference in WD symptoms-- Holding holding and more holding.

 

Updose- March 23/16 too 10mg- relieved the harsher head symptoms- current symptoms headaches, dizzy, numbness and tingling in my head.

 

Benzos- 2015-Ativan on and off for 6 months 2mg- switched to clonazepam nov 2015- 2mg till Jan 2016 Zopiclone 7.5mg nov-dec 2015- was tapered off over 4weeks- Currently in protracted withdrawal. ????????????????????????????????

 

Update- ended up in the hospital April 18/16 major suicidal ( never had that before) was admitted/ been there ever since, put me back to full dose celexa 30mg no drugs added, IAM FINALLY STABLE AFTER 3 months of tortuous hell. Got a great physiatrist that new all about WD, he will help me taper properly in a couple of months at 5% deductions holding 8 weeks. I never want to relive that hell again.

 

Udate- stable and holding, doing things slowly is key.

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You are right, one day!!!

10 years citalopram 30mg- tapered down in December 15/2015- Jan 15/2016 to 20mg for two weeks, ten for one week and five for another week, then stopped, less then two weeks later, sheer hell broke lose with debilitating withdrawal symptoms.

 

Update-- reinstated 5mg of celexa on feb 5-- within hours noticed immediate difference in WD symptoms-- Holding holding and more holding.

 

Updose- March 23/16 too 10mg- relieved the harsher head symptoms- current symptoms headaches, dizzy, numbness and tingling in my head.

 

Benzos- 2015-Ativan on and off for 6 months 2mg- switched to clonazepam nov 2015- 2mg till Jan 2016 Zopiclone 7.5mg nov-dec 2015- was tapered off over 4weeks- Currently in protracted withdrawal. ????????????????????????????????

 

Update- ended up in the hospital April 18/16 major suicidal ( never had that before) was admitted/ been there ever since, put me back to full dose celexa 30mg no drugs added, IAM FINALLY STABLE AFTER 3 months of tortuous hell. Got a great physiatrist that new all about WD, he will help me taper properly in a couple of months at 5% deductions holding 8 weeks. I never want to relive that hell again.

 

Udate- stable and holding, doing things slowly is key.

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try the exercise there are no side effects

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Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

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Anyone find anything that relieves eye and sinus pressure in withdrawl?

April 2013 Doc put me back on 40mg of celexa for 2.5 weeks than switched to Paxil 3 weeks adverse reaction and kindling reaction
July 2013 5mg celexa and .5mg klonopin daily

5/15/16 started lamictal and currently at 25mg daily once a day.

1/1/17 crossed over from .5mg klonopin to 10mg Valium.

3/1/17 off celexa from getting down to around .25mg.

5/25/17 started tapering the Valium from 10mg to 9mg

6/25/17 dropped down to 8mg Valium 

currently on 8mg of Valium and 25mg of lamictal once a day in the morning never could handle more than 25mg of lamictal and never really felt anything from it.

7/2/17 updosed to 10mg Valium and holding split twice a day and holding.

3/1/18 dropped Valium from 10mg to 9.5mg

4/1/18 dropped Valium from 9.5 to 9mg still on 25mg lamictal.

Updosed 6/20/18 Valium 10mg and 25mg lamictal and holding.

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I had eye pressure due to updosing but it relieved after i dropped my dose back again in about a month. I have become sensitized to the drug...

Citalopram 40mg from 2003-2015

Jan 2015 started tapering first dropped to 35mg, Feb 30mg, March 25mg, April 20mg, May 17,5mg, June 15mg, July 12,5mg, Aug 12,5mg,

Sep 0mg for 5 days because of stomac flu and after I raised to 7,5mg. All the symptoms of acute WD shaking, diarrhea, vomiting, barely could walk ect. Still didn't realize that it wasn't only stomac flu but I was also going through WD.

Oct 2,5mg and crashed again badly and quickly raised to 4mg. It was then when I knew my symptoms were due to WD.

Then in November after a month holding on 4mg raised to 5mg due to muscle weakness and had a VERY BAD reaction to reinstatement: akathisia(lasted for one or two weeks), insomnia, anhedonia... Drop quicly back to 4mg, Dec 3mg

Jan 2016 2,6mg( in the middle of Jan after I had been on 2,6mg for a week I tried to updose to 2,8mg and immediately had bad reaction to it: akathisia for a day, andehonia got worse. The next day dropped back to 2,6mg), Feb 2,4mg( a new symptom PGAD lasted 24/7 for 2 months after that on and off), March 2,4mg, April 2,3mg, May 2,2mg, June 2,1mg, July 2,0mg( Pgad almost nonexisting, sleeping pretty good, still some anhedonia but there has been a lot of gradual progress), Aug 1,97mg-1,89mg, Sep 1,88mg-1,49mg, Oct 1,48mg- 1,70mg,

Nov 0,65mg- current dose 0,5mg

 

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I feel by my heart that many symptoms including a tight band/ pressure cross my eyes, swollen nose, face head and coma like feeling are drug reaction all of which can be greatly lessened by dropping dose, even tiny drop as I have to balance between WD symptoms and drug reaction.

 

I'm glad to get your reassurance reachingforthestar!

 

I had eye pressure due to updosing but it relieved after i dropped my dose back again in about a month. I have become sensitized to the drug...

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Drug free Sep. 23 2017

2009 Mar.: lexapro 10mg for headache for 2 weeks.

2009-2012: on and off 1/4 to 1/3 of 10mg

2012 June--2013 Jan,: 1/4-1/3 of 10mg generic, bad jaw pain

2013 Jan-Mar: 10 mg generic. severe jaw and head pain;

2013 Mar--Aug. started tapering (liquid ever since) from 10 to 5 (one step) then gradually down to 2.25 mg by July. first ever panic attack, severe head/jaw pain

2013 Aug.: back to 2.75 mg; Nov: back to Brand Lex. 2.75mg -- 3mg,

2014 June: stopped PPI, head pressure/numbness. up-dosed 4.5mg, severe reaction mental symptoms added on

2014 Aug--2015 Aug: Micro taper down to 3.2mg, .025mg (<1%) cut holding 2-3 weeks.

2015 Aug 15th, Accidental one dose of 4.2mg. worsening brain non-functional, swollen head, body, coma like, DR

2016 Feb., started dosing 10am through 11 pm everyday 2/13--3.2mg, 3/15-- 2.9mg, 4/19-- 2.6mg, 6/26--2.2mg, 7/22 --1.9mg, 8/16--1.8mg，8/31--1.7m g, 9/13--1.6mg, 9/27--1.5mg, 10/8--1.4mg, 10/14--1.3mg， 11/1--1.2mg, 11/29--1.1mg, 12/12--1mg, 12/22--0.9mg

2017: 1/7--0.8mg, 1/15--0.7mg, 1/17--0.6mg, 1/20--0.52, 1/21--0.4mg, 1/22--0.26, 1/23--0.2, 2/13--0.13mg, 2/20--0.06mg, 3/18--0.13mg, 6/1--0.12mg, 7/6--0.1mg, 7/14--0.08mg, 8/17--0.04mg, 8/20--0.03mg, 8/28--0.02mg, 9/6--0.0205mg, 9/8--0.02mg, 9/17--0.015mg, 9/20--0.01mg, 9/21--0.0048mg, 9/22--0.0001mg,

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Also, after a while post dropping, I would know another drop is due when the similar symptoms reappear. Only that it's super tricky to know how much to drop as too much can trigger severe WD ( mainly pins and needles pain). I know I developed drug tolerance and I can feel my body strong resistant to the drug like want to stop it all, but I have to taper still to avoid severe WD consequences. I'm dropping a lot faster now than I was before the tolerance started.

 

Reaching, what other symptoms do you feel are from drug reaction? Are you still holding at 4mg?

Drug free Sep. 23 2017

2009 Mar.: lexapro 10mg for headache for 2 weeks.

2009-2012: on and off 1/4 to 1/3 of 10mg

2012 June--2013 Jan,: 1/4-1/3 of 10mg generic, bad jaw pain

2013 Jan-Mar: 10 mg generic. severe jaw and head pain;

2013 Mar--Aug. started tapering (liquid ever since) from 10 to 5 (one step) then gradually down to 2.25 mg by July. first ever panic attack, severe head/jaw pain

2013 Aug.: back to 2.75 mg; Nov: back to Brand Lex. 2.75mg -- 3mg,

2014 June: stopped PPI, head pressure/numbness. up-dosed 4.5mg, severe reaction mental symptoms added on

2014 Aug--2015 Aug: Micro taper down to 3.2mg, .025mg (<1%) cut holding 2-3 weeks.

2015 Aug 15th, Accidental one dose of 4.2mg. worsening brain non-functional, swollen head, body, coma like, DR

2016 Feb., started dosing 10am through 11 pm everyday 2/13--3.2mg, 3/15-- 2.9mg, 4/19-- 2.6mg, 6/26--2.2mg, 7/22 --1.9mg, 8/16--1.8mg，8/31--1.7m g, 9/13--1.6mg, 9/27--1.5mg, 10/8--1.4mg, 10/14--1.3mg， 11/1--1.2mg, 11/29--1.1mg, 12/12--1mg, 12/22--0.9mg

2017: 1/7--0.8mg, 1/15--0.7mg, 1/17--0.6mg, 1/20--0.52, 1/21--0.4mg, 1/22--0.26, 1/23--0.2, 2/13--0.13mg, 2/20--0.06mg, 3/18--0.13mg, 6/1--0.12mg, 7/6--0.1mg, 7/14--0.08mg, 8/17--0.04mg, 8/20--0.03mg, 8/28--0.02mg, 9/6--0.0205mg, 9/8--0.02mg, 9/17--0.015mg, 9/20--0.01mg, 9/21--0.0048mg, 9/22--0.0001mg,

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I have noticed that my facial expressions have become slow and sluggish since i started tapering. I have numbness on my upper lip on the right side and also on the right side of my tongue. Sometimes i have little twitches in my lips. Have you experienced this too? 

Citalopram 40mg from 2003-2015

Jan 2015 started tapering first dropped to 35mg, Feb 30mg, March 25mg, April 20mg, May 17,5mg, June 15mg, July 12,5mg, Aug 12,5mg,

Sep 0mg for 5 days because of stomac flu and after I raised to 7,5mg. All the symptoms of acute WD shaking, diarrhea, vomiting, barely could walk ect. Still didn't realize that it wasn't only stomac flu but I was also going through WD.

Oct 2,5mg and crashed again badly and quickly raised to 4mg. It was then when I knew my symptoms were due to WD.

Then in November after a month holding on 4mg raised to 5mg due to muscle weakness and had a VERY BAD reaction to reinstatement: akathisia(lasted for one or two weeks), insomnia, anhedonia... Drop quicly back to 4mg, Dec 3mg

Jan 2016 2,6mg( in the middle of Jan after I had been on 2,6mg for a week I tried to updose to 2,8mg and immediately had bad reaction to it: akathisia for a day, andehonia got worse. The next day dropped back to 2,6mg), Feb 2,4mg( a new symptom PGAD lasted 24/7 for 2 months after that on and off), March 2,4mg, April 2,3mg, May 2,2mg, June 2,1mg, July 2,0mg( Pgad almost nonexisting, sleeping pretty good, still some anhedonia but there has been a lot of gradual progress), Aug 1,97mg-1,89mg, Sep 1,88mg-1,49mg, Oct 1,48mg- 1,70mg,

Nov 0,65mg- current dose 0,5mg

 

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