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badger25

Hello everyone

I'm new to this particular thread and very glad that I have been referred to it. I'm finally tapering properly and am on my lowest dose yet of escitalopram. I am having trouble with jaw clenching and neck pain. It has been very helpful reading over this thread and seeing some suggestions and also what someone wrote a while back about it being caused by nerve damage. Very interesting. Since being on this low dosage, i have been clenching my jaw so much and have to stop and conciously relax it. Not only that, i feel like i am on steroids or something, its really weird... like i have all of this nervous energy which worsens the clenching. Have other people got this kind of crazy energy that is hard to control? I feel quite manic and ragey, and i feel a bit out of control of myself when i am talking to people. I would really like to read some scientific articles about what is happening with the chemicals in my body, if anyone knows of anything. I am having these manic episodes where i have heaps of energy and then i crash. I crave coffee and am trying really hard not to drink too much but definitely want it much more than I used to.

Sometimes i want to take pain killers to get rid of the jaw pain but i know that is no solution. I am definitely interested in trying acupuncture but if anyone has any other suggestions let me know.

thanks


Badger

2011 - June 2015: 10mg of escitalopram daily

June 2015 - Sept 2015 5mg per day

sept 2015 - Jan 2016: incorrect tapering methods, trying to take 5mg every second day then every 3rd day, suffered withdrawals

feb 2016 - March 2016: 2mg per day using liquid escitalopram

April 2016: 1.5 mg per day

 

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bubbles

I had a lot of trouble with bruxism on two SSRIs. I've always bruxed - long before the SSRI, but the SSRI made it worse. I'm now at a low enough dose that I'm not noticing it. I'm sure I'm still doing it, but I'm not having any pain from it and I've been able to cease all treatments for it.

 

(Bruxing can be clenching instead of grinding. Mine is clenching.)

 

I had physical therapy for months for the stiff neck and headaches, which included dry needling (acupuncture from a physical therapist). I also had a mouthguard (two actually). Ultimately the physical therapist suggested the botox and that helped a lot. The doctor who did the botox was a specialist who had dental and medical qualifications so I felt very confident with him. (I was at the point where I needed to take this step because my dentist was predicting all sorts of dreadful dental consequences if I didn't get the bruxing under control. The botox doesn't stop me clenching, but it does reduce the amount of pressure I can apply to my teeth and therefore does less damage - or at least that's how I understand it.

 

Eating cold things set me off badly so that might be worth paying attention to - to see if there is a pattern to it. I gave up ice cream for a while because that was an easy thing that I could do by myself. 


My thread here at SA: https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/1775-bubbles/page/14/

2005 St John's Wort / 2006-2012 Lexapro 20mg, 2 failed attempts to stop, tapered over 4.5 months in early 2012

January 2013 started Sertraline, over time worked up to 100mg / July 2014 dropped from 100mg to 75mg, held for six months

2015 tapered to 50mg over several months, held for several months, some more drops

2016 Feb 35mg, 6 Mar 33mg, more drops (note big drop (calc error) & up to 25mg), more drops (about 2mg at a time)

2017 - more small drops, more long holds

2018 March at 11mg;  April 20 9mg; June 11 8.1mg; (July 10 7.7mg / July 18 7.3mg); ( Sept 2 7.2mg, Sept 5 7.1mg, Sept 9 7mg); 30 Sept 6.5mg, ? 6mg, 23 Nov 5.5mg) 19 Dec 5mg

2019 (micro drops over two weeks 24 Mar 4.9mg, 28 Mar 4.8mg, 31 Mar 4.7mg, 4 Apr 4.6mg, 7 Apr 4.5mg / 22 April 4.4mg, 26 April 4.3mg, 2 May 4.2mg, 5 May 4.1mg, 9 May 4mg), 3 Oct 3.9mg, (20 Oct 3.8mg, 27 Oct 3.7mg, 3 Nov 3.6mg), 24 Nov 3.5mg, 8 Dec 3.4mg, 15 Dec 3.3mg, 22 Dec 3.2mg

2020 19 Jan 3.1mg, 26 Jan 3.0mg; 1 Mar 2.9, 7 Mar 2.8, May (some drops here) 24 May 2.5, May 29 2.4, June 21 2.3, June 28 2.2mg,  July 4 2.1mg, July 24 (or maybe a bit before) 2mg

Current Sertraline: July 24: 2 mg / Armour Thyroid / endless allergy meds, erg

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btdt

I am afraid of reactions to botox... did a bone spur on the jaw make your dentists list?


WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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bubbles

No, no bone spur.


My thread here at SA: https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/1775-bubbles/page/14/

2005 St John's Wort / 2006-2012 Lexapro 20mg, 2 failed attempts to stop, tapered over 4.5 months in early 2012

January 2013 started Sertraline, over time worked up to 100mg / July 2014 dropped from 100mg to 75mg, held for six months

2015 tapered to 50mg over several months, held for several months, some more drops

2016 Feb 35mg, 6 Mar 33mg, more drops (note big drop (calc error) & up to 25mg), more drops (about 2mg at a time)

2017 - more small drops, more long holds

2018 March at 11mg;  April 20 9mg; June 11 8.1mg; (July 10 7.7mg / July 18 7.3mg); ( Sept 2 7.2mg, Sept 5 7.1mg, Sept 9 7mg); 30 Sept 6.5mg, ? 6mg, 23 Nov 5.5mg) 19 Dec 5mg

2019 (micro drops over two weeks 24 Mar 4.9mg, 28 Mar 4.8mg, 31 Mar 4.7mg, 4 Apr 4.6mg, 7 Apr 4.5mg / 22 April 4.4mg, 26 April 4.3mg, 2 May 4.2mg, 5 May 4.1mg, 9 May 4mg), 3 Oct 3.9mg, (20 Oct 3.8mg, 27 Oct 3.7mg, 3 Nov 3.6mg), 24 Nov 3.5mg, 8 Dec 3.4mg, 15 Dec 3.3mg, 22 Dec 3.2mg

2020 19 Jan 3.1mg, 26 Jan 3.0mg; 1 Mar 2.9, 7 Mar 2.8, May (some drops here) 24 May 2.5, May 29 2.4, June 21 2.3, June 28 2.2mg,  July 4 2.1mg, July 24 (or maybe a bit before) 2mg

Current Sertraline: July 24: 2 mg / Armour Thyroid / endless allergy meds, erg

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btdt

thanks 


WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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Laura

I was wondering whats wrong with my face, it looks old and tired, really like a stroke or something. Can anyone tell me if these things are permanent or they will disappear?


1 year and 2 months on Venlafaxine, started 15o now 75

1 year and 1 month olanzapine /zyprexa/

off zyprexa 2 weeks ago

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btdt

I was wondering whats wrong with my face, it looks old and tired, really like a stroke or something. Can anyone tell me if these things are permanent or they will disappear?

It will go away but it may take some time and when that goes away something else will come to replace it... that is how it goes.


WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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Laura

thank you btdt.


1 year and 2 months on Venlafaxine, started 15o now 75

1 year and 1 month olanzapine /zyprexa/

off zyprexa 2 weeks ago

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moonstoneblue

When I was younger I had perfect straight teeth, never needed braces or anything.

Then as the years went along on antidepressants (started at age 17)! my jaw and face would hurt, I was young and didn't understand teeth and movements etc. So then at the age of around 26 (I'm 32 now) I noticed how bad my teeth looked in a photograph, I panicked and thought they never use to look like that.

Anyway last couple of years I've suffered terrible bruxism and was diagnosed with TMJ and a dislocated jaw.

Since I've tapers Prozac I've had no jaw pain, no bruxism or anything. I'm just stuck with a load of teeth out of place. I'd need £4,000 for orthodontics and I could never afford that on my salary and I can't get finance. So I have to smile with my mouth shut now, I'm so ashamed but happy my jaw pain has gone.


2001 - Prozac 20mg for a week weeks   2001- Venelaxafine 37.5 mg  2006 - Ciptralex 10mg I think   2008 - Mirtazipine (not sure of dose, was the lowest though).  2008 - Citalopram (standard dose)  2009 - Prozac 20mg until 29 Feb 2016  2016 - Setraline 25mg for 3 days (from March 3rd until March 5th).  2016 - 11th March Reinstated 5mg prozac. 26th May 2016 down to 4.5mg Prozac. 26June 2016 down to 4mg prozac. Back up to 5mg on 3rd July 2016.

Supplements - B- Complex, Flaxseed oil, L-lysine 1000mg, Iron 20mg. Spirulina 500mg. Quest Synergist Magnesium 150mg, Salmon oil 1000mg twice a day, Evening Primrose oil 500mg. 

Cipralex 10mg 17th July 2016.

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Buffy

Is this a symptom? It hits me around the same time every day - regardless of what I eat or drink.

 

I thought at first maybe I had been clenching them, but Im not sure. My muscles seem to clench themselves, I dont notice til I am in pain. But even a day when I have been meditating the majority has not helped.

 

Brushing, flossing etc all lead to bleeding gums and no relief.

 

It just seems strange to me that it hits the same time daily.


Currently on 50mg Fluvoxamine. Reading more before the next attempt at tapering.

 

Started Lexapro 04, have been mostly on med combinations since for 12 years.

May 2015 - zeldox 80 - 100mg, fluvoxamine 200mg, dexamphetamine 10mg

Lorazepam and clonazepam on and off for over a decade. Heavily sedated with antipsychotics - mostly Zyprexa and seroquel. Many hospitalisations. Many types of therapy, last being 7 years of psychodynamic that only figured out my pain was real.

Pain meds - Lyrica 150mg palexia 100mg - discontinued eary 2016

Done ok so far but cant drop the last antidepressant without physical illness.

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btdt

At least no tooth pain I still have it off and on and use a probiotic for it called I forget the name...sorry.  It is used for babies in Sweden I was trying it for gut and since it is liquid and my tooth was hurting I put the 4 drops I was taking on the tooth and bam it worked like magic but that is tooth not jaw pain.  

For jaw pain I use something akin to A535 but it is not that one... a different name calcium ion blocker I think is what they generally are it helps. 

 

you have 4 grand for teeth I would not even venture to guess what my teeth would cost now I did the corrections thing just before I started Ads waste of money at this point can't afford to do it again and would not put myself through it again either.  Have a chiropractor estimate that is 4 grand with wkly visits for the rest of my life... I asked if I was going on vacation with him for the rest of his life at that cost... he did not think it was funny. 


WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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Cressida

I have had this for the last few weeks since I was ill with a virus. It hits when I sit down after dinner. It is excruciating nerve pain. It can affect top and bottom jaws is usually worse on left. It can go into my cheek and up to my temple. It gets worse if I drink hot tea. I can barely chew.

Am guessing its temporo mandibular disorder. Have suffered a lot with head neck shoulder scalp pain through WD but had improved a lot since wearing a mouthguard from last July. I have never had it this bad. Am doing exercises I found and wearing a mouthguard at home doing jobs to avoid unconscious clenching . It is SO painful and gums are tender to the touch. No bleeding gums look healthy


Paxil 10mg 21/2 years to June 2012 after a 2 month taper

 

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Buffy

That sounds similar - It didnt cross my mind to be nerve pain, thanks.

 

I have also had scalp pain and had no idea it was WD related! (I did when I came off Lyrica - bleeding scalp giveaway!)

 

Thanks for your reply and I hope yours improves too.

 

It has been suggested to me that its sinus related, which I am sure it can be but unsure if it is in this case. I do however have runny eyes and nose but thats been going on over 5 years with no related tooth pain.

 

Im ok when it passes but in the midst of it, I get quite upset. It hits me around 3pm daily and lasts until around 6. I take meds at 5.30pm.


Currently on 50mg Fluvoxamine. Reading more before the next attempt at tapering.

 

Started Lexapro 04, have been mostly on med combinations since for 12 years.

May 2015 - zeldox 80 - 100mg, fluvoxamine 200mg, dexamphetamine 10mg

Lorazepam and clonazepam on and off for over a decade. Heavily sedated with antipsychotics - mostly Zyprexa and seroquel. Many hospitalisations. Many types of therapy, last being 7 years of psychodynamic that only figured out my pain was real.

Pain meds - Lyrica 150mg palexia 100mg - discontinued eary 2016

Done ok so far but cant drop the last antidepressant without physical illness.

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journey

Hi,

Im pretty new to this forum, I have lowered my ssri, paroxetene .I am having headaches, a little panicky, a little emotional.  But one of the worst symptoms I have is jaw clenching.  I wake up with a bad headache, sore face, my teeth feel like they are going to fall out, I get really sore shoulders because I must be hunching up when I sleep.  Apparently this is a side effect of ssri's.  I have also had this before I started my taper but it seems worse lately.  I am clenching my jaw during the day and I didnt even realise it.  Its really pretty horrible.  I am wondering if anyone else has had this? and if there is anything I can do...Im going to try a mouth guard but I doubt this will be good for me.  I was wandering around the house with warm flannels on my face last night, that was soothing.  thanks in advance

Journey


2006 May 40 mg paroxitine for post natal depression until

2010 weaned off on very slow taper 1.5 yrs.

2012 back on paxil 40mgs

2012 august  Lamictal at 200mgs

Valium prn at most 2 times a week, normally 1 a month

clonazpam 1 time every two months

2017 February starting slow taper 1/8 cut down of the Paroxitene 

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brassmonkey

Hi Journey-- I had that problem for a  long time while I was on Paxil and during the first half of my taper.  Sleeping with a mouth guard really helped. I wore out several at first but as things relaxed they lasted longer.  I finally stopped using them a couple of years ago.  Massaging the side of my head above and between the ears and temples really helped, and allthought it can be messy using a muscle rub there can help too.  Keeping my head warm at night was a good thing.


20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013.

Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks.  The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better.

Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017

 

"It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general."  Stephen Hawking

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journey

Thanks so much for the reply....I am going to try a mouth guard, I dont want to wreck my teeth any more than they already are!! I will try and keep my head warm too that is a good idea.  I have tapered off of paxil before and it was a nightmare so hoping to go more slowly this time.  and I guess be more prepared.  I have dropped 5mgs and its been 3.5 weeks I think Ill hold here for a another two or three and then do the 10% .  I dropped it before i saw the 10% idea.  Last time the real issues started as I go to smaller doses.  I feel so horrible most of the time its incredibly frustrating.  I am so used to being very active now its hard to get off the couch.


2006 May 40 mg paroxitine for post natal depression until

2010 weaned off on very slow taper 1.5 yrs.

2012 back on paxil 40mgs

2012 august  Lamictal at 200mgs

Valium prn at most 2 times a week, normally 1 a month

clonazpam 1 time every two months

2017 February starting slow taper 1/8 cut down of the Paroxitene 

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Barbarannamated

Oh yes. I have so much pain and general discomfort in my head. If I could only regain enough mental energy to be able to enjoy, let alone understand, a game or a movie, maybe time would go by faster

This sure resonates with me. I just can't get interested in or concentrate on TV or movies. Days go on FOREVER.

 

I have had bruxism, jaw and neck pain since I took Zoloft 25 years ago. Didn't realize until after I was forced into medical retirement and found a dentist who does only drug-related dentistry (esp dry mouth and bruxism).

 

A doctor recently diagnosed me with cervical dystonia by the way the muscles pull my head over to one side (not extreme).

 

I am not off all meds. Pristiq (sloppy taper) left me in protracted withdrawal.


Pristiq tapered over 8 months ending Spring 2011 after 18 years of polydrugging that began w/Zoloft for fatigue/general malaise (not mood). CURRENT: 1mg Klonopin qhs (SSRI bruxism), 75mg trazodone qhs, various hormonesLitigation for 11 years for Work-related injury, settled 2004. Involuntary medical retirement in 2001 (age 39). 2012 - brain MRI showing diffuse, chronic cerebrovascular damage/demyelination possibly vasculitis/cerebritis. Dx w/autoimmune polyendocrine failure.<p>2013 - Dx w/CNS Sjogren's Lupus (FANA antibodies first appeared in 1997 but missed by doc).

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brassmonkey

I always used the cheap athletic mouth guards I got at the drug store for about $5. Easy to fit and no big lose when I finally chewed through them.

 

We have a lot of great information about tapering paxil. It's a tricky one and has to be done carefully and slowly, especially the low doses.


20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013.

Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks.  The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better.

Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017

 

"It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general."  Stephen Hawking

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India

I realise now that the tics I have developed over the past ten years were probably  correlated with antidepressant use ( citalopram).i think they overloaded my CNS. Trying to get off them presently .


1999:  Paroxetine (20mg). Age 16. 2007-2008: Fluoxetine (Prozac) for 1.5 years (age 25) Citalopram 20mg 2002-2005, 2009: Escitalopram (20mg), 2 weeks, (age 26) (adverse manic reaction)/*Valium 5mg/Temazepam 10mg 2010: Mirtazipine (Remeron)( do not remember dosage) 2010, 5 months.                     

2010-2017: Citalopram (20mg) (age 27 to 34) 2016: i.1st Sept- 31st Oct Citalopram 10mg , ii.1st November 2017-30th November 2017, Citalopram 5mg iii.1st December 2017- 4th February 2018, Citalopram 0mg, iv.5th February 2018- March 2018 Citalopram 5mg (10mg every other day) 28th February- tried titration of 5mg ( some adverse effects)

2018: 1st March 2018- 1st June Citalopram 10 mg (tablet form) /started titration 8mg , then 7 mg.2018: June 15th- 10th July Citalopram 10 mg pill every other day 2018: 10th July - 13th Sept Citalopram- 0mg  (CBD oil first month of 0mg, passiflora on and off) 2018 13th Sept Citalopram  2mg ,  approx 16th Sept 4mg , approx 25th Sept 6mg held.  2019: 11 Feb 19: 7mg (instant bad rxn) 12 Feb 19 6mg held 1 May 19 5.4mg held 5 Oct 19 5.36mg 22 Oct 19 5.29mg 30 Oct 19 5.23mg 4/NOV/19 5.18mg 12 Nov 19 5.08mg 20 Nov 19 4.77mg

(Herbal/Supplements since 1st September: Omega Fish Oil 1200mg, 663mg of EPA- 2 tablets a day, magnesium and magnesium bath salts)

I did not die, and yet I lost life’s breath
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ChessieCat

Just wanted to mention something which may not have been thought of.

 

Some intestinal worms are common and easily transmitted, especially when around children.

 

I've also seen mention of having worms causing bruxism.

 

Having worms can cause restless sleep.


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ADs:  25 years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after)

Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering Oct 2015  Current from 14 Nov 2020:  Pristiq 0.50 mg

My tapering program                                      My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

REMINDER TO SELF:  I don't need the drug now, but my still brain does.

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Katy398

Hi Folks,

Can I ask, Has anyone developed a Nervous Tic.

It feels like a build up of tension in my body that results in an involuntary twitch either in my head, neck or body. Loud noises or sudden movements can also set it off. It’s very noticeable to others. I’ve been managing to go into work up until now but I don’t think I can go in with this. Any ideas how to ease it. 

Best wishes to everyone going through this. Kx


 

Lexapro Fast Track/ Cold Turkey

Last dose end Dec 2018 

Tapered 1/2 a daily dose a week (20mg) for  14 weeks, last dose was a 20 mg pill!!  

 3.5 times slower than Psychiatrist recommended, I felt proud of myself!! Little did I know!!!!Got too scared to reinstate because I’d left it too long.

On ADs for 20 years (Prozac approx 10 years/ Pristiq approx 3 years/ Citalipram approx 2 years/. Lexapro a approx  5 years/. Last two years 40mgs Lexapro day.

 

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7 hours ago, Katy398 said:

Hi Folks,

Can I ask, Has anyone developed a Nervous Tic.

It feels like a build up of tension in my body that results in an involuntary twitch either in my head, neck or body. Loud noises or sudden movements can also set it off. It’s very noticeable to others. I’ve been managing to go into work up until now but I don’t think I can go in with this. Any ideas how to ease it. 

Best wishes to everyone going through this. Kx


I didn't  have a nervous tic per se but had all sorts of jerks and involuntary movements -- and at one point I had a bit of shaking in my fingers.  Also, in withdrawal, I was very jumpy, so small noises or too much stimulation would startle me very easily.  This all resolved and went away.

My suggestions on how to ease it or deal with it right now.

-meditation, prayer

-relaxing activities -- massage,  taking warm baths, gentle exercise, listening to music
-cognitive behavioural therapy -- even if you don't go to a therapist, pick up a book on the subject -- basically what CBT teaches is that your thoughts influence your emotions, which in terms influence your physical state --- So, if develop tics due to withdrawal and you tell yourself "oh no, this is terrible" "what if everyone notices it work, what will they think" "how can I live with this, I can't do so, it's awful" -- then that creates negative emotions, i.e. fear, anxiety.  In turn, the emotions rev up your nervous system and your tics might increase, as will things like "butterflies in stomach"  (as our nervous system is tied in with our digestive system).  But, if you create the opposite types of thoughts, and tell yourself "it doesn't matter, I'll just rid it through",  "I don't care what others think, it they look at me, tough for them, not for me", "it's bugging me a bit but it's not that bad" -- then the result is positive emotions, hope, contentment, feeling of empowerment etc. -- And, then that improves and strengthens your physical state.  There are work books that give you cognitive behaviour exercises that you can do on your own even without a therapist. For example, I think there is a book called Feeling Good: The New Mood Therapy -- and there is a workbook that you can buy so you can learn to put the information/theories into practical action in your own life by doing the exercises. They teach you a formula/approach.

-a good diet. Make sure you are eating enough, not too little as that can make some people like me edgy, and not too much, -- and the right things, i.e. a healthy well balanced diet

-there might be supplements, e.g. magnesium that help, or calming teas, e.g. camomile tea, etc. but I wouldn't take too much stock into just taking those. In my opinion, the points above all are more important, though additional supplements to calm your nervous system could help out a bit too. 

Best wishes,

M.

 


Dec 1, 2016. 10 mg zyprexa for 1.5 month. Started taper mid-Jan. 2017. Cut 1.25 mg every 2 weeks; smaller cuts 2.5 mg down. Stopped at .6 mg. May 7, 2017: zyprexa free. 
Zoloft: Dec1, 2016, 200 mg. Started taper: Jun12, 2017: 197.5 mg; Jun19,:195 mg; July 2:185mg; July 9,:180 mg; July16,: 175; July 23: 170; July 30: 165; Aug6: 160; Aug13: 155; Aug. 20: 150; Aug.27: 146 mg; Sept3: 145 mg; Sept10:143 mg; Sept17:140 mg....Nov5: 122 mg...Dec3:112.5 mg; Jan14, 2018: 95 mg...Jan28: 90 mg; Feb21:80 mg; Mar11: 75 mg; May2:70 mg; May15: 68 mg; May28: 65 mg; Jun9: 62 mg;Jun25: 60 mg:July22: 55 mg; Aug25: 45 mg. Aug28: 50 mg...Oct 28: 38 mg; Dec.4: 30 mg; Jan8,2019: 25mg; Feb6: 23.5 mg; Apr1:17.5mg; May1:1 mg; May 5: 18;  May 18:15mg; June 16:12.5mg; Sept 10:11 mg; Sept.16:10 mg; Oct. 1: 9mg; Nov. 27: 8mg; Dec.5: 7mg; Jan.1,2020, 6 mg; Feb1: 5 mg; May 1: 2.5 mg; Jn 1: 2 mg; Jy 1: 1.5 mg
Spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pw4tjImAJ92OIVyRvZoZYjqxiKMk7wvp-ljiIi1olRo/edit#gid=0

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Katy398

Thank you so much Madeleine for your response so informative and such a support to feel there are folk out there who care. This can feel like such a lonely journey at times. Hope your tapering is giving you some windows. Best wishes Take care Kx


 

Lexapro Fast Track/ Cold Turkey

Last dose end Dec 2018 

Tapered 1/2 a daily dose a week (20mg) for  14 weeks, last dose was a 20 mg pill!!  

 3.5 times slower than Psychiatrist recommended, I felt proud of myself!! Little did I know!!!!Got too scared to reinstate because I’d left it too long.

On ADs for 20 years (Prozac approx 10 years/ Pristiq approx 3 years/ Citalipram approx 2 years/. Lexapro a approx  5 years/. Last two years 40mgs Lexapro day.

 

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I have been dealing with a lip inflammation/reaction for about 7 months, and haven't been able to determine a cause. 

 

However, it was brought to my attention recently that my less than clean mouthguard/nightguard might be the culprit, since it is a perfect breeding ground for bacteria, candida and mould.

 

I haven't slept with a mouthguard for five nights, and I'm already sensing somer positive changes in my lips. I also just started taking nystatin to help treat my lip.

 

Below are some short articles I've been reading about how unclean mouthguards can make you sick, including the lips:

 
 
 
- Last comment at the bottom of the page, the lady says she was sick for a year and then it dawned on her that it could be her mouthguard. She got rid of it for three days, and her sickness went away.
 
 
 
 

 

https://www.faceandjawsurgery.com/cleaning-mouth-guards-to-avoid-mouth-disease/

 


09/2011- 01/2014: 10mg Cipralex / 02/2014: increased to 15mg Cipralex

02/2014 - 10/2016: 15mg Cipralex / 11/2016: reduced to 12.5mg Cipralex (over 2 weeks)

12/2016: reduced to 10mg Cipralex (over 2 weeks) / 01/2017 - 09/2018: 10mg Cipralex

10/2018 - 11/2018: reduced gradually to 7.5mg Cipralex / 12/2018: found SA & first learned about the 10% taper method

01/2019 - 07/2019: held (lots of physical & psychological wd symptoms)

07/19/2019: 7.3mg Cipralex / 08/19/2019: 7.2mg / 09/08/2019: 7.0mg / 09/29/2019: 6.9mg / 03/25/2020: 6.7mg

04/16/2020: 6.6mg (0.084) / 05/10/2020: 6.5mg (0.083) / 06/01/2020: 6.4mg (0.081) / 07/12/2020: 6.3mg (0.079-0.080)

07/26/2020: 6.2mg (0.078-0.0.79) / 09/07/2020: 6.1mg (0.077-0.0.78) / 10/06/2020: 6.0 mg (0.076-0.0.77) /

10/27/2020: 5.9 mg (0.075-0.0.76) 

 

Please Note: I am not a medical professional. Consult a knowledgeable

medical professional when making decisions about your medical care. 

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matt6558

Hi all thanks a lot for your help. 

 

I have been also suffering from jaw muscle tension from Lexapro, which I was on for five months. About two weeks into the medication, I developed jaw muscle tension and it's been still around even after I stopped taking lexapro three months ago. and I have been getting around neck tension recently.

 

Will this go away eventually on its own???? I am just wondering why it's still around after I stopped taking it and it's also to do with our nervous system being adjusted back to normal? 

 

Thank you. 


on Lexapro from Jan 20, 2020 - July 4, 2020. Started from 5mg till end of February, 2020 and dosage increased up to 10 mg and I was on 10 mg till end of May and from June, 2020, I tapered the dosage down to 7.5mg/5mg/2.5mg/0 in June. 

 

I also took  5 pills of Alprozolam from time to time for experimental purpose - whether the physical symptoms I was going through was illness or drug induced symptoms.  when I took alprozolam, most of the physical symptoms subdued.  

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On 10/7/2020 at 11:54 PM, matt6558 said:

Hi all thanks a lot for your help. 

 

I have been also suffering from jaw muscle tension from Lexapro, which I was on for five months. About two weeks into the medication, I developed jaw muscle tension and it's been still around even after I stopped taking lexapro three months ago. and I have been getting around neck tension recently.

 

Will this go away eventually on its own???? I am just wondering why it's still around after I stopped taking it and it's also to do with our nervous system being adjusted back to normal? 

 

Thank you. 

Hi there. How is your jaw tension now? That's a new symptom I just got recently after withdrawing from Lexapro (2 years ago - but don't compare to me as my case is protracted and I took a high dose for two years). Wanted to know how you are. I hope you're better now. I got a jaw massage today as part of my overall massage treatment. Felt a bit better. 


Summer 2016 - summer 2018: put on Lexapro, going from 5 mg up to 20 mg over the span of the 2 years (had visited shrink for help with obsessive thinking, was not diagnosed with anything in particular, just prescribed Lexapro 15 mins into first session)

Summer 2018: tapered down by 2.5 mg every few weeks

Protracted withdrawal ever since. 0-14 months began with a massive panic attack that landed me in ER, followed by prolonged anxiety, mental fog and a skin rash on my back. Was regularly consuming alcohol as did not know I was in WD. From then onwards, hit with worse myriad symptoms. Currently at 22 months and have electromagnetic sensitivity, brain zaps, brain fog, memory problems (especially name recall), twitch in right eyebrow, daily waking up at 3 or 4 a.m. with fast heartbeats and "sticky" negative memories, suicidal thoughts, rage episodes, temperature dysregulation, physical numbness & weakness, libido loss.   

 

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matt6558

well - I still have facial tension but it's gotten better but still there... but after two years of stopping of the medication,  could it be lexapro??? ) 


on Lexapro from Jan 20, 2020 - July 4, 2020. Started from 5mg till end of February, 2020 and dosage increased up to 10 mg and I was on 10 mg till end of May and from June, 2020, I tapered the dosage down to 7.5mg/5mg/2.5mg/0 in June. 

 

I also took  5 pills of Alprozolam from time to time for experimental purpose - whether the physical symptoms I was going through was illness or drug induced symptoms.  when I took alprozolam, most of the physical symptoms subdued.  

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1 hour ago, matt6558 said:

but after two years of stopping of the medication,  could it be lexapro???

 

But this is what is in your drug signature:

 

on Lexapro from Jan 20, 2020 - July 4, 2020. Started from 5mg till end of February, 2020 and dosage increased up to 10 mg and I was on 10 mg till end of May and from June, 2020, I tapered the dosage down to 7.5mg/5mg/2.5mg/0 in June. 

 

You only stopped Lexapro in June this year.  And you jumped off from 2.5mg.

 

Did you mean to say that you were on the drug for 2 years?  (I realise that you may not be a native English speaker)  The way your post is written it seems to say that you have been off the drug for 2 years.

 

And yes, it could still be the withdrawal after stopping Lexapro.  It could take a few years for your brain to fully sort everything out.  It's got a lot of work to do.  I particularly like the Rubik's cube analogy in this video.

 

Video:  Healing From Antidepressants - Patterns of Recovery


NEW!!!               INTERVIEW with Altostrata, SA's founder               NEW!!! 

 

ADs:  25 years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after)

Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering Oct 2015  Current from 14 Nov 2020:  Pristiq 0.50 mg

My tapering program                                      My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)

My website - includes my brief history + links to videos & information on the web

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

REMINDER TO SELF:  I don't need the drug now, but my still brain does.

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