SelmaLady Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share Posted January 10, 2015 Thank you Meimeiquest. How are you doing? 1971-81 Valium 5mg c/t PAWS 1992- through now Zoloft 25mg 2003-05 Valium 12mg Slow Taper Off 2013 Afrin Exposure to CNS 2013 O/D Val 230mg 2013 Doxepin 50mg Clonidine 2mg Zoloft 25mg 3/15/16 Doxepin 49mg Micro Tapering Zoloft 24.3mg Holding taper 3/15/16 Clonidine mg 0.1 1/2 - Decreasing incrementally. DISCONTINUED 10/9/16 Doxepin 48.9 Zoloft 24.3 Clonidine 01.10 Continuing micro taper on Doxepin. 11/16/16 Doxepin 48mg Zoloft 24.3mg Clonidine 1.30mg 5/4/17 Doxepin 45mg Zoloft 24mg Clonidine 1.20mg Micro taper of Doxepin , Clonidine 01/13/19 Doxepin 45mg Zoloft 21mg Will start Micro taper of Doxepin 2/19 12/21/21 Doxepin 20 mg ? Reducing using water micro taper--Pulling 24ml from 75ml 12/2121 Zoloft .060 grams by weight--HOLDING (info from post added by CC: On 12/21/21 my dosage was .060grams by weight or 20mg. ) 26 Apr 2022 - Zoloft at -0- Link to comment
SelmaLady Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share Posted January 10, 2015 Yesterday was unbearable. The DP is unbearable. But I got through. Still very little AK and this morning the DP lightened considerably. It's tunny that when I don't have it, I forget what it evens feels like---that's how inhuman it is. This afternoon has been really bad---gets to a place where I don't think I can go on one more minute. I posted on the Taper forum about how to figure out how to taper. I am better than I was two weeks ago but I am still so completely unstable and in intense symptoms. But if the Doxepin and the Zoloft are increasing the imbalance, then I have to taper them---but how do I know when to taper and when to hold?? I waited nearly a year after the penicillin set back to get to a place of stability---never happened. I'm very frightened of tapering myself into a worse place because I couldn't survive. But I need to get these chemicals out of my brain. --- What to do??????? I'm up to 0.3ml reduction in 75ml -- maybe should slow down to have a 1/2mg reduction in 4 weeks???? 1971-81 Valium 5mg c/t PAWS 1992- through now Zoloft 25mg 2003-05 Valium 12mg Slow Taper Off 2013 Afrin Exposure to CNS 2013 O/D Val 230mg 2013 Doxepin 50mg Clonidine 2mg Zoloft 25mg 3/15/16 Doxepin 49mg Micro Tapering Zoloft 24.3mg Holding taper 3/15/16 Clonidine mg 0.1 1/2 - Decreasing incrementally. DISCONTINUED 10/9/16 Doxepin 48.9 Zoloft 24.3 Clonidine 01.10 Continuing micro taper on Doxepin. 11/16/16 Doxepin 48mg Zoloft 24.3mg Clonidine 1.30mg 5/4/17 Doxepin 45mg Zoloft 24mg Clonidine 1.20mg Micro taper of Doxepin , Clonidine 01/13/19 Doxepin 45mg Zoloft 21mg Will start Micro taper of Doxepin 2/19 12/21/21 Doxepin 20 mg ? Reducing using water micro taper--Pulling 24ml from 75ml 12/2121 Zoloft .060 grams by weight--HOLDING (info from post added by CC: On 12/21/21 my dosage was .060grams by weight or 20mg. ) 26 Apr 2022 - Zoloft at -0- Link to comment
chicken Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Selma, I would hold as long as I needed after a drop to see what happens. I think Rhi recommends very long holds. I know the feeling of wanting to get this stuff out of your brain. I made my first 10% cut in my pamelor this month and waiting to see if anything happens. Prozac 1999-2009 quit semi cold turkey. 2012 Placed on Seroquel 25 mg, Tranxene (Clorezepate) 3.75 mg 3x a day, Remeron 30 mg for anxiety/akathesia. Weaned off Seroquel and Tranxene .to Remeron 15 Mg. In May 2014 tried quitting Remeron at its lowest dose. Had severe withdrawals.Reinstated Remeron at 30 mg by doctor. August 5 2014 entered hospital. Doctor pulled the Remeron and bridged it to Pamelor (Nortriptyline) 40mg and Zyprexa 2.5mg.After removing the Remeron all my bad symptoms went away and I am stable. 9/11/14 - 7.5 mg tranxene, 40mg Pamelor, Zyprexa 2.5mg 12/29/14 - 20mg Pamelor, 1/6/15, 7/31/15 3.5mg, 8/10/15 3.2 mg, 9/15/15 2.2mg, 10/15/15 1.8mg (Feb 2016 - 1.4mg Pamelor only - OFF OF TRANXENE AND ZYPREXA SINCE DEC 2014 BENZO FREE Since 2014. Nortrityline (Pamelor) .8mg Aug 2016 March 2017 DRUG FREE Link to comment
SelmaLady Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share Posted January 10, 2015 Selma, I would hold as long as I needed after a drop to see what happens. I think Rhi recommends very long holds. I know the feeling of wanting to get this stuff out of your brain. I made my first 10% cut in my pamelor this month and waiting to see if anything happens. Thank you ! The problem is that I am microtapering with liquid and capsule and I never EVER stabilize---I just exchange symptoms or they keep getting worse. So I think I will just continue the teeny cuts until I get to 1/2mg and hold there---don't know what else to do--- How long has it been since your cut? 1971-81 Valium 5mg c/t PAWS 1992- through now Zoloft 25mg 2003-05 Valium 12mg Slow Taper Off 2013 Afrin Exposure to CNS 2013 O/D Val 230mg 2013 Doxepin 50mg Clonidine 2mg Zoloft 25mg 3/15/16 Doxepin 49mg Micro Tapering Zoloft 24.3mg Holding taper 3/15/16 Clonidine mg 0.1 1/2 - Decreasing incrementally. DISCONTINUED 10/9/16 Doxepin 48.9 Zoloft 24.3 Clonidine 01.10 Continuing micro taper on Doxepin. 11/16/16 Doxepin 48mg Zoloft 24.3mg Clonidine 1.30mg 5/4/17 Doxepin 45mg Zoloft 24mg Clonidine 1.20mg Micro taper of Doxepin , Clonidine 01/13/19 Doxepin 45mg Zoloft 21mg Will start Micro taper of Doxepin 2/19 12/21/21 Doxepin 20 mg ? Reducing using water micro taper--Pulling 24ml from 75ml 12/2121 Zoloft .060 grams by weight--HOLDING (info from post added by CC: On 12/21/21 my dosage was .060grams by weight or 20mg. ) 26 Apr 2022 - Zoloft at -0- Link to comment
Wildflower0214 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Selma, I would hold as long as I needed after a drop to see what happens. I think Rhi recommends very long holds. I know the feeling of wanting to get this stuff out of your brain. I made my first 10% cut in my pamelor this month and waiting to see if anything happens. Thank you ! The problem is that I am microtapering with liquid and capsule and I never EVER stabilize---I just exchange symptoms or they keep getting worse. So I think I will just continue the teeny cuts until I get to 1/2mg and hold there---don't know what else to do--- How long has it been since your cut? Ok, I understand this I believe. I am still on a med, that for a while I knew was making me worse. I had journaled for weeks to find out. And it was very very obvious it was the med. and I kept hearing the same thing, just wait, you will stabalize, it will even out, and I kept thinking, ok but I was already unstable, and haven't been stable, so it was like.....huh? It's very confusing. Has Rhi or Alto given you any advice? I think I saw something earlier in your thread maybe. If not, PM Alto maybe and have her take a look...? Until then hang tight! Prayers. You are strong. 2005-Zoloft bad reaction.....2006-Lexepro......2012-Upped Lexepro.......2013-Upped Lexepro......2/2014- Attempted Taper Lexepro...2/2014- Updosed Lexepro.......3/2014-Ativan.....5/2014- CT switch from Lexpro to Effexor..... 5/2014-7/2014-Tapered Ativan from 1mg to .25mg.....6/2014-Bad reaction to Effexor........7/2014- Rapid taper Effexor every other day......7/5/2014- Off Effexor.......7/2014-12/2014 - Ativan .25mg.......12/25/2014 -Taper Ativan by 4% due to paradoxical reaction .24mg...11/18/2015-Taper Ativan 1% CURRENTLY ON: .2376mg Ativan taken in 6 .0396mg doses. Link to comment
SelmaLady Posted January 11, 2015 Author Share Posted January 11, 2015 Selma, I would hold as long as I needed after a drop to see what happens. I think Rhi recommends very long holds. I know the feeling of wanting to get this stuff out of your brain. I made my first 10% cut in my pamelor this month and waiting to see if anything happens. Thank you ! The problem is that I am microtapering with liquid and capsule and I never EVER stabilize---I just exchange symptoms or they keep getting worse. So I think I will just continue the teeny cuts until I get to 1/2mg and hold there---don't know what else to do--- How long has it been since your cut? Ok, I understand this I believe. I am still on a med, that for a while I knew was making me worse. I had journaled for weeks to find out. And it was very very obvious it was the med. and I kept hearing the same thing, just wait, you will stabalize, it will even out, and I kept thinking, ok but I was already unstable, and haven't been stable, so it was like.....huh? It's very confusing. Has Rhi or Alto given you any advice? I think I saw something earlier in your thread maybe. If not, PM Alto maybe and have her take a look...? Until then hang tight! Prayers. You are strong. I'm so sorry that you have this unsolvable situation too. I'm not really sure just what is causing all my brain chaos but I know that the a/d's are not helping. Alto thinks that at least some of this is because of the interaction of the the two a/d's -- Rhi isn't taking any PM so I posted on one of her tapering threads and will hope she will see it. Meantime, I am praying praying praying that God will direct this. And I'm just going to keep sneaking down more and more of the Doxepin. Today has been nearly unlivable again. At least the akathisia is very very lite. I'm to grateful for that. Are you tapering through or how are you doing with this? You're tapering by 4%? Its so hard to know if the taper is causing anything or if its coming from the bad reaction to the med. (((ADM))) Praying for you too. 1971-81 Valium 5mg c/t PAWS 1992- through now Zoloft 25mg 2003-05 Valium 12mg Slow Taper Off 2013 Afrin Exposure to CNS 2013 O/D Val 230mg 2013 Doxepin 50mg Clonidine 2mg Zoloft 25mg 3/15/16 Doxepin 49mg Micro Tapering Zoloft 24.3mg Holding taper 3/15/16 Clonidine mg 0.1 1/2 - Decreasing incrementally. DISCONTINUED 10/9/16 Doxepin 48.9 Zoloft 24.3 Clonidine 01.10 Continuing micro taper on Doxepin. 11/16/16 Doxepin 48mg Zoloft 24.3mg Clonidine 1.30mg 5/4/17 Doxepin 45mg Zoloft 24mg Clonidine 1.20mg Micro taper of Doxepin , Clonidine 01/13/19 Doxepin 45mg Zoloft 21mg Will start Micro taper of Doxepin 2/19 12/21/21 Doxepin 20 mg ? Reducing using water micro taper--Pulling 24ml from 75ml 12/2121 Zoloft .060 grams by weight--HOLDING (info from post added by CC: On 12/21/21 my dosage was .060grams by weight or 20mg. ) 26 Apr 2022 - Zoloft at -0- Link to comment
Meimeiquest Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 SL, do you know if your 23 and me results contain data on liver enzymes? In my job I just have to sit and be inobtrusive a lot. If I could look for anything for you I would be more than haooy to. 1st round Prozac 1989/90, clear depression symptoms. 2nd round Prozac started 1999 when admitted to dr. I was tired. Prozac pooped out, switch to Cymbalta 3/2006. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder due to mania 6/2006--then I was taken abruptly off Cymbalta and didn't know I had SSRI withdrawal. Lots of meds for my intractable "bipolar" symptoms. Zyprexa started about 9/06, mostly 5mg. Tapered 4/12 through12/29/12 Wellbutrin. XL 300 mg started 1/07, tapered 1/18/13 through 7/8/13 Oxazepam mostly continuously since 6/06, 30mg since 12/12, tapered 1.17.14 through 8.26.15 11/06 Lithium 600mg twice daily, 2.2.14 400mg TID DIY liquid, 2.12.14 1150mg, 3.2.14 1100mg, 3.18.14 1075mg, 4/14 updose to 1100mg, 6.1.14 900 mg capsules 7.8.14 810mg, 8.17.14 725mg, 8.24.24 700mg...10.22.14 487.5mg, 3.9.15 475mg, 4.1.15 462.5mg 4.21.15 450mg 8.11.15 375mg, 11.28.15 362.5mg, back to 375mg four days later, 3.4.16 updose to 475 (too much going on to risk trouble) 9/4/13 Toprol-XL 25mg daily for sudden hypertension, tapered 11.12.13 through 5.3.14, last 10 days or so switched to atenolol 7.4.14 Started Walsh Protocol 56 years old Link to comment
Wildflower0214 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Selma, I would hold as long as I needed after a drop to see what happens. I think Rhi recommends very long holds. I know the feeling of wanting to get this stuff out of your brain. I made my first 10% cut in my pamelor this month and waiting to see if anything happens. Thank you ! The problem is that I am microtapering with liquid and capsule and I never EVER stabilize---I just exchange symptoms or they keep getting worse. So I think I will just continue the teeny cuts until I get to 1/2mg and hold there---don't know what else to do--- How long has it been since your cut? Ok, I understand this I believe. I am still on a med, that for a while I knew was making me worse. I had journaled for weeks to find out. And it was very very obvious it was the med. and I kept hearing the same thing, just wait, you will stabalize, it will even out, and I kept thinking, ok but I was already unstable, and haven't been stable, so it was like.....huh? It's very confusing. Has Rhi or Alto given you any advice? I think I saw something earlier in your thread maybe. If not, PM Alto maybe and have her take a look...? Until then hang tight! Prayers. You are strong. I'm so sorry that you have this unsolvable situation too. I'm not really sure just what is causing all my brain chaos but I know that the a/d's are not helping. Alto thinks that at least some of this is because of the interaction of the the two a/d's -- Rhi isn't taking any PM so I posted on one of her tapering threads and will hope she will see it. Meantime, I am praying praying praying that God will direct this. And I'm just going to keep sneaking down more and more of the Doxepin. Today has been nearly unlivable again. At least the akathisia is very very lite. I'm to grateful for that. Are you tapering through or how are you doing with this? You're tapering by 4%? Its so hard to know if the taper is causing anything or if its coming from the bad reaction to the med. (((ADM))) Praying for you too. Well, mine was a pretty severe paradoxical reaction that was not tolerable. I had nights with NO sleep whatsoever, and they were increasing in number. So, I had no choice. Tapering in AD WD is def not the best option. But, I did what I felt was right. And, it was very very obvious with the first day of the cut that my suspicion was correct, the med was making me sick. Because there was a great deal of relief. But, it's hard to figure what Is happening when your CNS is all messed up already. yes, I did 4%. And the next cut will be smaller, prob 2%. I would listen to Rhi or Alto. Give their advice some serious consideration. 2005-Zoloft bad reaction.....2006-Lexepro......2012-Upped Lexepro.......2013-Upped Lexepro......2/2014- Attempted Taper Lexepro...2/2014- Updosed Lexepro.......3/2014-Ativan.....5/2014- CT switch from Lexpro to Effexor..... 5/2014-7/2014-Tapered Ativan from 1mg to .25mg.....6/2014-Bad reaction to Effexor........7/2014- Rapid taper Effexor every other day......7/5/2014- Off Effexor.......7/2014-12/2014 - Ativan .25mg.......12/25/2014 -Taper Ativan by 4% due to paradoxical reaction .24mg...11/18/2015-Taper Ativan 1% CURRENTLY ON: .2376mg Ativan taken in 6 .0396mg doses. Link to comment
SelmaLady Posted January 11, 2015 Author Share Posted January 11, 2015 SL, do you know if your 23 and me results contain data on liver enzymes? In my job I just have to sit and be inobtrusive a lot. If I could look for anything for you I would be more than haooy to. Thank you so much! I had sent the report to my daughter who was going to look into it but has been so busy she just can't. I'll ask her to send them to you, if that's possible. I just can't think enough to figure out any of it. I'll pm you .. 1971-81 Valium 5mg c/t PAWS 1992- through now Zoloft 25mg 2003-05 Valium 12mg Slow Taper Off 2013 Afrin Exposure to CNS 2013 O/D Val 230mg 2013 Doxepin 50mg Clonidine 2mg Zoloft 25mg 3/15/16 Doxepin 49mg Micro Tapering Zoloft 24.3mg Holding taper 3/15/16 Clonidine mg 0.1 1/2 - Decreasing incrementally. DISCONTINUED 10/9/16 Doxepin 48.9 Zoloft 24.3 Clonidine 01.10 Continuing micro taper on Doxepin. 11/16/16 Doxepin 48mg Zoloft 24.3mg Clonidine 1.30mg 5/4/17 Doxepin 45mg Zoloft 24mg Clonidine 1.20mg Micro taper of Doxepin , Clonidine 01/13/19 Doxepin 45mg Zoloft 21mg Will start Micro taper of Doxepin 2/19 12/21/21 Doxepin 20 mg ? Reducing using water micro taper--Pulling 24ml from 75ml 12/2121 Zoloft .060 grams by weight--HOLDING (info from post added by CC: On 12/21/21 my dosage was .060grams by weight or 20mg. ) 26 Apr 2022 - Zoloft at -0- Link to comment
chicken Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Selma, I would hold as long as I needed after a drop to see what happens. I think Rhi recommends very long holds. I know the feeling of wanting to get this stuff out of your brain. I made my first 10% cut in my pamelor this month and waiting to see if anything happens. Thank you ! The problem is that I am microtapering with liquid and capsule and I never EVER stabilize---I just exchange symptoms or they keep getting worse. So I think I will just continue the teeny cuts until I get to 1/2mg and hold there---don't know what else to do--- How long has it been since your cut? I made my cut on Jan 6. I normally take two 10mg capsules. I made one capsule into liquid, pulled out 8mg with a syringe and then took that with the other 10mg capsule. The stuff tastes horrible. I used 20ml of liquid so I could dilute it enough to stand the taste. A few weeks ago a capsule burst in the back of my throat. It burned my throat and I had a sore throat for days. If it burns my throat that badly, what is it doing to my brain!! Prozac 1999-2009 quit semi cold turkey. 2012 Placed on Seroquel 25 mg, Tranxene (Clorezepate) 3.75 mg 3x a day, Remeron 30 mg for anxiety/akathesia. Weaned off Seroquel and Tranxene .to Remeron 15 Mg. In May 2014 tried quitting Remeron at its lowest dose. Had severe withdrawals.Reinstated Remeron at 30 mg by doctor. August 5 2014 entered hospital. Doctor pulled the Remeron and bridged it to Pamelor (Nortriptyline) 40mg and Zyprexa 2.5mg.After removing the Remeron all my bad symptoms went away and I am stable. 9/11/14 - 7.5 mg tranxene, 40mg Pamelor, Zyprexa 2.5mg 12/29/14 - 20mg Pamelor, 1/6/15, 7/31/15 3.5mg, 8/10/15 3.2 mg, 9/15/15 2.2mg, 10/15/15 1.8mg (Feb 2016 - 1.4mg Pamelor only - OFF OF TRANXENE AND ZYPREXA SINCE DEC 2014 BENZO FREE Since 2014. Nortrityline (Pamelor) .8mg Aug 2016 March 2017 DRUG FREE Link to comment
SelmaLady Posted January 11, 2015 Author Share Posted January 11, 2015 Selma, I would hold as long as I needed after a drop to see what happens. I think Rhi recommends very long holds. I know the feeling of wanting to get this stuff out of your brain. I made my first 10% cut in my pamelor this month and waiting to see if anything happens. Thank you ! The problem is that I am microtapering with liquid and capsule and I never EVER stabilize---I just exchange symptoms or they keep getting worse. So I think I will just continue the teeny cuts until I get to 1/2mg and hold there---don't know what else to do--- How long has it been since your cut? I made my cut on Jan 6. I normally take two 10mg capsules. I made one capsule into liquid, pulled out 8mg with a syringe and then took that with the other 10mg capsule. The stuff tastes horrible. I used 20ml of liquid so I could dilute it enough to stand the taste. A few weeks ago a capsule burst in the back of my throat. It burned my throat and I had a sore throat for days. If it burns my throat that badly, what is it doing to my brain!! My husband Gary does all the measuring. I'm tapering 25mg of Doxepin at 0.1ml increasing daily. Gary has it in 75ml water. -- 2% a month only since I am in so much chaos. You're right---it burns. And it IS scary to think that's going into your CNS. Also, when you use water instead of capsule, it can enter the system differently. Changing from powder to liquid really made things so much worse for me... Most people tho don't have a really bad reaction. Will be praying that this goes really quietly for you... 1971-81 Valium 5mg c/t PAWS 1992- through now Zoloft 25mg 2003-05 Valium 12mg Slow Taper Off 2013 Afrin Exposure to CNS 2013 O/D Val 230mg 2013 Doxepin 50mg Clonidine 2mg Zoloft 25mg 3/15/16 Doxepin 49mg Micro Tapering Zoloft 24.3mg Holding taper 3/15/16 Clonidine mg 0.1 1/2 - Decreasing incrementally. DISCONTINUED 10/9/16 Doxepin 48.9 Zoloft 24.3 Clonidine 01.10 Continuing micro taper on Doxepin. 11/16/16 Doxepin 48mg Zoloft 24.3mg Clonidine 1.30mg 5/4/17 Doxepin 45mg Zoloft 24mg Clonidine 1.20mg Micro taper of Doxepin , Clonidine 01/13/19 Doxepin 45mg Zoloft 21mg Will start Micro taper of Doxepin 2/19 12/21/21 Doxepin 20 mg ? Reducing using water micro taper--Pulling 24ml from 75ml 12/2121 Zoloft .060 grams by weight--HOLDING (info from post added by CC: On 12/21/21 my dosage was .060grams by weight or 20mg. ) 26 Apr 2022 - Zoloft at -0- Link to comment
Meimeiquest Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Maybe I already mentioned this...dividing doses throughout the day helped me a lot with drugs that gave both side effects and withdrawal. At one time I dosed oxazepam every two hours during the day, and metoprolol. And Wellbutrin four times a day at one time. I have been a walking pharmacy! My goal was to lower the peaks and raise the troughs. But I do realize everyone is different. 1st round Prozac 1989/90, clear depression symptoms. 2nd round Prozac started 1999 when admitted to dr. I was tired. Prozac pooped out, switch to Cymbalta 3/2006. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder due to mania 6/2006--then I was taken abruptly off Cymbalta and didn't know I had SSRI withdrawal. Lots of meds for my intractable "bipolar" symptoms. Zyprexa started about 9/06, mostly 5mg. Tapered 4/12 through12/29/12 Wellbutrin. XL 300 mg started 1/07, tapered 1/18/13 through 7/8/13 Oxazepam mostly continuously since 6/06, 30mg since 12/12, tapered 1.17.14 through 8.26.15 11/06 Lithium 600mg twice daily, 2.2.14 400mg TID DIY liquid, 2.12.14 1150mg, 3.2.14 1100mg, 3.18.14 1075mg, 4/14 updose to 1100mg, 6.1.14 900 mg capsules 7.8.14 810mg, 8.17.14 725mg, 8.24.24 700mg...10.22.14 487.5mg, 3.9.15 475mg, 4.1.15 462.5mg 4.21.15 450mg 8.11.15 375mg, 11.28.15 362.5mg, back to 375mg four days later, 3.4.16 updose to 475 (too much going on to risk trouble) 9/4/13 Toprol-XL 25mg daily for sudden hypertension, tapered 11.12.13 through 5.3.14, last 10 days or so switched to atenolol 7.4.14 Started Walsh Protocol 56 years old Link to comment
SelmaLady Posted January 11, 2015 Author Share Posted January 11, 2015 Maybe I already mentioned this...dividing doses throughout the day helped me a lot with drugs that gave both side effects and withdrawal. At one time I dosed oxazepam every two hours during the day, and metoprolol. And Wellbutrin four times a day at one time. I have been a walking pharmacy! My goal was to lower the peaks and raise the troughs. But I do realize everyone is different. Thank you---maybe something to consider for sure. I'll talk to my husband about this as he is the one whose doing all the dosing. I wonder if that actually would make a difference....You noticed a difference with the Welbutrin? I know dividing doses with benzos can make a big difference and I did that when I was tapering Valium 10 years ago... 1971-81 Valium 5mg c/t PAWS 1992- through now Zoloft 25mg 2003-05 Valium 12mg Slow Taper Off 2013 Afrin Exposure to CNS 2013 O/D Val 230mg 2013 Doxepin 50mg Clonidine 2mg Zoloft 25mg 3/15/16 Doxepin 49mg Micro Tapering Zoloft 24.3mg Holding taper 3/15/16 Clonidine mg 0.1 1/2 - Decreasing incrementally. DISCONTINUED 10/9/16 Doxepin 48.9 Zoloft 24.3 Clonidine 01.10 Continuing micro taper on Doxepin. 11/16/16 Doxepin 48mg Zoloft 24.3mg Clonidine 1.30mg 5/4/17 Doxepin 45mg Zoloft 24mg Clonidine 1.20mg Micro taper of Doxepin , Clonidine 01/13/19 Doxepin 45mg Zoloft 21mg Will start Micro taper of Doxepin 2/19 12/21/21 Doxepin 20 mg ? Reducing using water micro taper--Pulling 24ml from 75ml 12/2121 Zoloft .060 grams by weight--HOLDING (info from post added by CC: On 12/21/21 my dosage was .060grams by weight or 20mg. ) 26 Apr 2022 - Zoloft at -0- Link to comment
LoveandLight Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Just on here to give my good wishes to you x 2000 - sertraline for job anxiety low confidence (17 years old) ..which turned the next 16 years into nightmare! On/off sertraline severe withdrawals every time. 2014 - felt better as reduced dose of sertraline no more inner restlessness. Doctor rushed off again. Hit severe withdrawal. Lost the little I had in life. Couldn't get stable again on 12.5mg. Was switched to prozac. Had severe reaction to prozac..came off in November 2015 at 6mg as felt more confused and damaged on it..Even more withdrawal ..rage, depression, dyphoria, near constant suicidal ideation, self harm impulses, doom, concrete block in head, unable to do much of anything with this feeling in head..went back on 6mg of sertraline to see if would alleviate anything. It didn't..reduced from December to June 2016 came off at 2.5mg sertraline as was hospitalised for the severe rage, suicidal impulses, and put on 50mg lofepramine which in 2nd week reduced all symptoms but gave insomnia which still have..psych stopped lofepramine cold turkey..no increased withdrawal symptoms new symptoms from lofepramine except persistant insomnia which has as side effect. Taking Ativan for 8 months for the severe rage self harm impulses 1-3 times a week (mostly 2 times a week) at .5mg. Two months (I'm unsure exactly when the interdose started to happen) ago interdose withdrawal seemed to happen..2 days I think after the Ativan. Nightmare that could have been avoided! Link to comment
Meimeiquest Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Thank you---maybe something to consider for sure. I'll talk to my husband about this as he is the one whose doing all the dosing. I wonder if that actually would make a difference....You noticed a difference with the Welbutrin? I know dividing doses with benzos can make a big difference and I did that when I was tapering Valium 10 years ago... Yes, but I had a messy taper off Wellbutrin, it was my "can't live with it, can't live without it" drug. And metoprolol. I have learned that any drug or supplement that touches dopamine or norepinephrine/epinephrine/cortisol directly is problematic for me both coming and going. Unless I'm covered with an antipsychotic, like that's a solution. I also had a pdoc who required Genomind testing, and I am an ultra-rapid metabolizer of 2D6, and I suspect I overloaded my phase 2 liver detox system, so I follow my own individual pharmacokinetic path. Really, I think we all do, we just don't know it's happening. 1st round Prozac 1989/90, clear depression symptoms. 2nd round Prozac started 1999 when admitted to dr. I was tired. Prozac pooped out, switch to Cymbalta 3/2006. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder due to mania 6/2006--then I was taken abruptly off Cymbalta and didn't know I had SSRI withdrawal. Lots of meds for my intractable "bipolar" symptoms. Zyprexa started about 9/06, mostly 5mg. Tapered 4/12 through12/29/12 Wellbutrin. XL 300 mg started 1/07, tapered 1/18/13 through 7/8/13 Oxazepam mostly continuously since 6/06, 30mg since 12/12, tapered 1.17.14 through 8.26.15 11/06 Lithium 600mg twice daily, 2.2.14 400mg TID DIY liquid, 2.12.14 1150mg, 3.2.14 1100mg, 3.18.14 1075mg, 4/14 updose to 1100mg, 6.1.14 900 mg capsules 7.8.14 810mg, 8.17.14 725mg, 8.24.24 700mg...10.22.14 487.5mg, 3.9.15 475mg, 4.1.15 462.5mg 4.21.15 450mg 8.11.15 375mg, 11.28.15 362.5mg, back to 375mg four days later, 3.4.16 updose to 475 (too much going on to risk trouble) 9/4/13 Toprol-XL 25mg daily for sudden hypertension, tapered 11.12.13 through 5.3.14, last 10 days or so switched to atenolol 7.4.14 Started Walsh Protocol 56 years old Link to comment
SelmaLady Posted January 11, 2015 Author Share Posted January 11, 2015 Thank you---maybe something to consider for sure. I'll talk to my husband about this as he is the one whose doing all the dosing. I wonder if that actually would make a difference....You noticed a difference with the Welbutrin? I know dividing doses with benzos can make a big difference and I did that when I was tapering Valium 10 years ago... Yes, but I had a messy taper off Wellbutrin, it was my "can't live with it, can't live without it" drug. And metoprolol. I have learned that any drug or supplement that touches dopamine or norepinephrine/epinephrine/cortisol directly is problematic for me both coming and going. Unless I'm covered with an antipsychotic, like that's a solution. I also had a pdoc who required Genomind testing, and I am an ultra-rapid metabolizer of 2D6, and I suspect I overloaded my phase 2 liver detox system, so I follow my own individual pharmacokinetic path. Really, I think we all do, we just don't know it's happening. I think that I too am super sensitive to anything that touches norepinephrine/epinephrine/cortisol. I think that's why my brain reacted so violently to the oxymetazoline (Afrin)--it binds to two different excitatory receptors in the brain. And is extreme. It threw my brain into horrendous up regulation and I haven't been able to come out it yet. The PNC hit the GABA sites and threw it off the receptor sites. I just think that the Zoloft is in the mix too since all my symptoms are seen in hyper excitation of those same receptor sites. I haven't been well enough to get to my daughter about the 23andme --- hope I can this evening but this has been a horrific day. What exactly are you doing to help your recovery right now, if its ok to ask? 1971-81 Valium 5mg c/t PAWS 1992- through now Zoloft 25mg 2003-05 Valium 12mg Slow Taper Off 2013 Afrin Exposure to CNS 2013 O/D Val 230mg 2013 Doxepin 50mg Clonidine 2mg Zoloft 25mg 3/15/16 Doxepin 49mg Micro Tapering Zoloft 24.3mg Holding taper 3/15/16 Clonidine mg 0.1 1/2 - Decreasing incrementally. DISCONTINUED 10/9/16 Doxepin 48.9 Zoloft 24.3 Clonidine 01.10 Continuing micro taper on Doxepin. 11/16/16 Doxepin 48mg Zoloft 24.3mg Clonidine 1.30mg 5/4/17 Doxepin 45mg Zoloft 24mg Clonidine 1.20mg Micro taper of Doxepin , Clonidine 01/13/19 Doxepin 45mg Zoloft 21mg Will start Micro taper of Doxepin 2/19 12/21/21 Doxepin 20 mg ? Reducing using water micro taper--Pulling 24ml from 75ml 12/2121 Zoloft .060 grams by weight--HOLDING (info from post added by CC: On 12/21/21 my dosage was .060grams by weight or 20mg. ) 26 Apr 2022 - Zoloft at -0- Link to comment
Meimeiquest Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Thank you---maybe something to consider for sure. I'll talk to my husband about this as he is the one whose doing all the dosing. I wonder if that actually would make a difference....You noticed a difference with the Welbutrin? I know dividing doses with benzos can make a big difference and I did that when I was tapering Valium 10 years ago... What exactly are you doing to help your recovery right now, if its ok to ask? Sure. Some weeks after I got off Wellbutrin I went into a depressive, then anxiety-ridden spiral of sorts with benzo-withdrawal-like symptoms, especially sensitivity to sound and movements in the car. And my blood pressure shot up to 200/110, thus beginning the metoprolol disaster. Eventually went for prayer with an elder in our church (I'm sure he thought I was crazy, but he prayed for us none the less). Decided I needed to be more bold in trying to taper, took some L-theanine for a week which helped my tapering anxiety, but I totally went off on my husband twice in one day, threw a container of tea at him in front of our children, all sorts of fun. Decided just getting off meds was not going to be enough for me. Decided to pursue William Walsh's research in orthomolecular psychiatry, and flew to Chicago in a state of total anxiety to Mensah Medical (I had taken a Nuvigil that I used to take all the time on a Monday to try and get enough focus to do my paperwork for work and went into total sympathetic overload and was still there on Thursday.) They thought something profound was going on, that I had been born overmethylated but became severely undermethylated (an unsuccessful run of methyl folate was in there somewhere). But my testing was pretty mild, slightly elevated serum copper and pyrrole disorder which depletes B12 and zinc. It took forever to get the supplements in place and in the meantime I started the paleo autoimmune diet. It helped clear my brsin fog, and then the supplements really helped my anxiety (which was never an issue until I took Cymbalfa in 2006). But tapering was still a huge battle, although a "controlled burn" compared to the raging forest fire you have. New pdoc told me to use inositol, which helped greatly, but it is bothering my GI tract and I am having liver/gallbladder area pain, so have decided to just sit on my benzo at 1/15 of original dose for awhile, and holding lithium at a little over a third of original dose. And who knows what the next installment will be . I need to tell you I have zero experience with 23andme, just have heard you can decode it on line. So take that into account as you decide what you might like to do. 1st round Prozac 1989/90, clear depression symptoms. 2nd round Prozac started 1999 when admitted to dr. I was tired. Prozac pooped out, switch to Cymbalta 3/2006. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder due to mania 6/2006--then I was taken abruptly off Cymbalta and didn't know I had SSRI withdrawal. Lots of meds for my intractable "bipolar" symptoms. Zyprexa started about 9/06, mostly 5mg. Tapered 4/12 through12/29/12 Wellbutrin. XL 300 mg started 1/07, tapered 1/18/13 through 7/8/13 Oxazepam mostly continuously since 6/06, 30mg since 12/12, tapered 1.17.14 through 8.26.15 11/06 Lithium 600mg twice daily, 2.2.14 400mg TID DIY liquid, 2.12.14 1150mg, 3.2.14 1100mg, 3.18.14 1075mg, 4/14 updose to 1100mg, 6.1.14 900 mg capsules 7.8.14 810mg, 8.17.14 725mg, 8.24.24 700mg...10.22.14 487.5mg, 3.9.15 475mg, 4.1.15 462.5mg 4.21.15 450mg 8.11.15 375mg, 11.28.15 362.5mg, back to 375mg four days later, 3.4.16 updose to 475 (too much going on to risk trouble) 9/4/13 Toprol-XL 25mg daily for sudden hypertension, tapered 11.12.13 through 5.3.14, last 10 days or so switched to atenolol 7.4.14 Started Walsh Protocol 56 years old Link to comment
SelmaLady Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 I would listen to Rhi or Alto. Give their advice some serious consideration. JDM, I 'm so sorry, I missed this post. My brain doesn't focus very well. I do want to follow their advice, but I don't know how to get their attention. I posted on the taper site but no response yet. So I'm just cutting tiny amounts. Will stop completely if I get bad symptoms increase like akathisia or myoclonic jerking. Or insomnia. Don't know how else to measure it as the visual just keeps getting worse. I'm sure that when you;re able to get off the Ativan, that you'll see some relief too. So awful to have to keep swallowing chemicals that you know are hurting you but that you have to be so careful removing... 1971-81 Valium 5mg c/t PAWS 1992- through now Zoloft 25mg 2003-05 Valium 12mg Slow Taper Off 2013 Afrin Exposure to CNS 2013 O/D Val 230mg 2013 Doxepin 50mg Clonidine 2mg Zoloft 25mg 3/15/16 Doxepin 49mg Micro Tapering Zoloft 24.3mg Holding taper 3/15/16 Clonidine mg 0.1 1/2 - Decreasing incrementally. DISCONTINUED 10/9/16 Doxepin 48.9 Zoloft 24.3 Clonidine 01.10 Continuing micro taper on Doxepin. 11/16/16 Doxepin 48mg Zoloft 24.3mg Clonidine 1.30mg 5/4/17 Doxepin 45mg Zoloft 24mg Clonidine 1.20mg Micro taper of Doxepin , Clonidine 01/13/19 Doxepin 45mg Zoloft 21mg Will start Micro taper of Doxepin 2/19 12/21/21 Doxepin 20 mg ? Reducing using water micro taper--Pulling 24ml from 75ml 12/2121 Zoloft .060 grams by weight--HOLDING (info from post added by CC: On 12/21/21 my dosage was .060grams by weight or 20mg. ) 26 Apr 2022 - Zoloft at -0- Link to comment
SelmaLady Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 Just on here to give my good wishes to you x Thank you so much because I know how much suffering you're going through right now too. Praying that you'll see another good window soon. xoxo 1971-81 Valium 5mg c/t PAWS 1992- through now Zoloft 25mg 2003-05 Valium 12mg Slow Taper Off 2013 Afrin Exposure to CNS 2013 O/D Val 230mg 2013 Doxepin 50mg Clonidine 2mg Zoloft 25mg 3/15/16 Doxepin 49mg Micro Tapering Zoloft 24.3mg Holding taper 3/15/16 Clonidine mg 0.1 1/2 - Decreasing incrementally. DISCONTINUED 10/9/16 Doxepin 48.9 Zoloft 24.3 Clonidine 01.10 Continuing micro taper on Doxepin. 11/16/16 Doxepin 48mg Zoloft 24.3mg Clonidine 1.30mg 5/4/17 Doxepin 45mg Zoloft 24mg Clonidine 1.20mg Micro taper of Doxepin , Clonidine 01/13/19 Doxepin 45mg Zoloft 21mg Will start Micro taper of Doxepin 2/19 12/21/21 Doxepin 20 mg ? Reducing using water micro taper--Pulling 24ml from 75ml 12/2121 Zoloft .060 grams by weight--HOLDING (info from post added by CC: On 12/21/21 my dosage was .060grams by weight or 20mg. ) 26 Apr 2022 - Zoloft at -0- Link to comment
SelmaLady Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 Thank you---maybe something to consider for sure. I'll talk to my husband about this as he is the one whose doing all the dosing. I wonder if that actually would make a difference....You noticed a difference with the Welbutrin? I know dividing doses with benzos can make a big difference and I did that when I was tapering Valium 10 years ago... What exactly are you doing to help your recovery right now, if its ok to ask? Sure. Some weeks after I got off Wellbutrin I went into a depressive, then anxiety-ridden spiral of sorts with benzo-withdrawal-like symptoms, especially sensitivity to sound and movements in the car. And my blood pressure shot up to 200/110, thus beginning the metoprolol disaster. Eventually went for prayer with an elder in our church (I'm sure he thought I was crazy, but he prayed for us none the less). Decided I needed to be more bold in trying to taper, took some L-theanine for a week which helped my tapering anxiety, but I totally went off on my husband twice in one day, threw a container of tea at him in front of our children, all sorts of fun. Decided just getting off meds was not going to be enough for me. Decided to pursue William Walsh's research in orthomolecular psychiatry, and flew to Chicago in a state of total anxiety to Mensah Medical (I had taken a Nuvigil that I used to take all the time on a Monday to try and get enough focus to do my paperwork for work and went into total sympathetic overload and was still there on Thursday.) They thought something profound was going on, that I had been born overmethylated but became severely undermethylated (an unsuccessful run of methyl folate was in there somewhere). But my testing was pretty mild, slightly elevated serum copper and pyrrole disorder which depletes B12 and zinc. It took forever to get the supplements in place and in the meantime I started the paleo autoimmune diet. It helped clear my brsin fog, and then the supplements really helped my anxiety (which was never an issue until I took Cymbalfa in 2006). But tapering was still a huge battle, although a "controlled burn" compared to the raging forest fire you have. New pdoc told me to use inositol, which helped greatly, but it is bothering my GI tract and I am having liver/gallbladder area pain, so have decided to just sit on my benzo at 1/15 of original dose for awhile, and holding lithium at a little over a third of original dose. And who knows what the next installment will be . I need to tell you I have zero experience with 23andme, just have heard you can decode it on line. So take that into account as you decide what you might like to do. So good that God lead you to just what you needed to get better. I can't take any supplements or herbs, ect as my brain is sooooooo destabilized. The 23andme---I'm having such a hard time right now that I can't even contact my daughter about it --- so will have to put this aside for now. Thank you for your support here. Blessings to you. 1971-81 Valium 5mg c/t PAWS 1992- through now Zoloft 25mg 2003-05 Valium 12mg Slow Taper Off 2013 Afrin Exposure to CNS 2013 O/D Val 230mg 2013 Doxepin 50mg Clonidine 2mg Zoloft 25mg 3/15/16 Doxepin 49mg Micro Tapering Zoloft 24.3mg Holding taper 3/15/16 Clonidine mg 0.1 1/2 - Decreasing incrementally. DISCONTINUED 10/9/16 Doxepin 48.9 Zoloft 24.3 Clonidine 01.10 Continuing micro taper on Doxepin. 11/16/16 Doxepin 48mg Zoloft 24.3mg Clonidine 1.30mg 5/4/17 Doxepin 45mg Zoloft 24mg Clonidine 1.20mg Micro taper of Doxepin , Clonidine 01/13/19 Doxepin 45mg Zoloft 21mg Will start Micro taper of Doxepin 2/19 12/21/21 Doxepin 20 mg ? Reducing using water micro taper--Pulling 24ml from 75ml 12/2121 Zoloft .060 grams by weight--HOLDING (info from post added by CC: On 12/21/21 my dosage was .060grams by weight or 20mg. ) 26 Apr 2022 - Zoloft at -0- Link to comment
Wildflower0214 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I would listen to Rhi or Alto. Give their advice some serious consideration. JDM, I 'm so sorry, I missed this post. My brain doesn't focus very well. I do want to follow their advice, but I don't know how to get their attention. I posted on the taper site but no response yet. So I'm just cutting tiny amounts. Will stop completely if I get bad symptoms increase like akathisia or myoclonic jerking. Or insomnia. Don't know how else to measure it as the visual just keeps getting worse. I'm sure that when you;re able to get off the Ativan, that you'll see some relief too. So awful to have to keep swallowing chemicals that you know are hurting you but that you have to be so careful removing... Yes, it is awful. What did Alto tell you to do? And how often are you cutting? I think I remember there being a possible interaction problem between drugs you are dealing with...correct? I'm so sorry for you...im sorry for myself, for us all. 2005-Zoloft bad reaction.....2006-Lexepro......2012-Upped Lexepro.......2013-Upped Lexepro......2/2014- Attempted Taper Lexepro...2/2014- Updosed Lexepro.......3/2014-Ativan.....5/2014- CT switch from Lexpro to Effexor..... 5/2014-7/2014-Tapered Ativan from 1mg to .25mg.....6/2014-Bad reaction to Effexor........7/2014- Rapid taper Effexor every other day......7/5/2014- Off Effexor.......7/2014-12/2014 - Ativan .25mg.......12/25/2014 -Taper Ativan by 4% due to paradoxical reaction .24mg...11/18/2015-Taper Ativan 1% CURRENTLY ON: .2376mg Ativan taken in 6 .0396mg doses. Link to comment
Wildflower0214 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I know you are tired. Please hang on. Just keep going one moment at a time. I never stop praying for us all. Xo 2005-Zoloft bad reaction.....2006-Lexepro......2012-Upped Lexepro.......2013-Upped Lexepro......2/2014- Attempted Taper Lexepro...2/2014- Updosed Lexepro.......3/2014-Ativan.....5/2014- CT switch from Lexpro to Effexor..... 5/2014-7/2014-Tapered Ativan from 1mg to .25mg.....6/2014-Bad reaction to Effexor........7/2014- Rapid taper Effexor every other day......7/5/2014- Off Effexor.......7/2014-12/2014 - Ativan .25mg.......12/25/2014 -Taper Ativan by 4% due to paradoxical reaction .24mg...11/18/2015-Taper Ativan 1% CURRENTLY ON: .2376mg Ativan taken in 6 .0396mg doses. Link to comment
SelmaLady Posted January 13, 2015 Author Share Posted January 13, 2015 I would listen to Rhi or Alto. Give their advice some serious consideration. JDM, I 'm so sorry, I missed this post. My brain doesn't focus very well. I do want to follow their advice, but I don't know how to get their attention. I posted on the taper site but no response yet. So I'm just cutting tiny amounts. Will stop completely if I get bad symptoms increase like akathisia or myoclonic jerking. Or insomnia. Don't know how else to measure it as the visual just keeps getting worse. I'm sure that when you;re able to get off the Ativan, that you'll see some relief too. So awful to have to keep swallowing chemicals that you know are hurting you but that you have to be so careful removing... Yes, it is awful. What did Alto tell you to do? And how often are you cutting? I think I remember there being a possible interaction problem between drugs you are dealing with...correct? I'm so sorry for you...im sorry for myself, for us all. I'm sorry that I'm just now getting to this. This day has been another day from Hell itself. My brain is continuing to try and compensate for the hyper activity -- it continues to shrink space. I am so so so grateful for you and for your encouragements while I know you are in a dark place too. I want so much for all this to be over and to be safely in the Kingdom of God. His timing is surely not mine. Alto had said that I should taper very slowly one of the drugs so I chose the Doxepin to start with. I'm doing a liquid taper on 50% of it and the other is in the capsule because I couldn't handle moving the whole capsule to water. I've been doing a micro taper of 0.1ml from 75ml , increasing by 0.1ml every night. Right now I am at 0.4ml but am not going to increase right now because I am so so so bad. Up and down all night with akathisia today and increase in the DR/DP and space. God alone knows how I am surviving this and to Him be the Glory. I've spent the whole day in terror that this will never end and in deep grief---most of it neuro emotion. Some people get rages, I get grief. I think of you going on your ride and so hope that in some small way it gave you peace. And so grateful for you prayers. I know that it is prayer that is keeping me putting in one day of this after another. We just have to hang on for dear life to Him to get us through this and on to the place of healing. 1971-81 Valium 5mg c/t PAWS 1992- through now Zoloft 25mg 2003-05 Valium 12mg Slow Taper Off 2013 Afrin Exposure to CNS 2013 O/D Val 230mg 2013 Doxepin 50mg Clonidine 2mg Zoloft 25mg 3/15/16 Doxepin 49mg Micro Tapering Zoloft 24.3mg Holding taper 3/15/16 Clonidine mg 0.1 1/2 - Decreasing incrementally. DISCONTINUED 10/9/16 Doxepin 48.9 Zoloft 24.3 Clonidine 01.10 Continuing micro taper on Doxepin. 11/16/16 Doxepin 48mg Zoloft 24.3mg Clonidine 1.30mg 5/4/17 Doxepin 45mg Zoloft 24mg Clonidine 1.20mg Micro taper of Doxepin , Clonidine 01/13/19 Doxepin 45mg Zoloft 21mg Will start Micro taper of Doxepin 2/19 12/21/21 Doxepin 20 mg ? Reducing using water micro taper--Pulling 24ml from 75ml 12/2121 Zoloft .060 grams by weight--HOLDING (info from post added by CC: On 12/21/21 my dosage was .060grams by weight or 20mg. ) 26 Apr 2022 - Zoloft at -0- Link to comment
Wildflower0214 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 I would listen to Rhi or Alto. Give their advice some serious consideration. JDM, I 'm so sorry, I missed this post. My brain doesn't focus very well. I do want to follow their advice, but I don't know how to get their attention. I posted on the taper site but no response yet. So I'm just cutting tiny amounts. Will stop completely if I get bad symptoms increase like akathisia or myoclonic jerking. Or insomnia. Don't know how else to measure it as the visual just keeps getting worse. I'm sure that when you;re able to get off the Ativan, that you'll see some relief too. So awful to have to keep swallowing chemicals that you know are hurting you but that you have to be so careful removing... Yes, it is awful. What did Alto tell you to do? And how often are you cutting? I think I remember there being a possible interaction problem between drugs you are dealing with...correct? I'm so sorry for you...im sorry for myself, for us all. I'm sorry that I'm just now getting to this. This day has been another day from Hell itself. My brain is continuing to try and compensate for the hyper activity -- it continues to shrink space. I am so so so grateful for you and for your encouragements while I know you are in a dark place too. I want so much for all this to be over and to be safely in the Kingdom of God. His timing is surely not mine. Alto had said that I should taper very slowly one of the drugs so I chose the Doxepin to start with. I'm doing a liquid taper on 50% of it and the other is in the capsule because I couldn't handle moving the whole capsule to water. I've been doing a micro taper of 0.1ml from 75ml , increasing by 0.1ml every night. Right now I am at 0.4ml but am not going to increase right now because I am so so so bad. Up and down all night with akathisia today and increase in the DR/DP and space. God alone knows how I am surviving this and to Him be the Glory. I've spent the whole day in terror that this will never end and in deep grief---most of it neuro emotion. Some people get rages, I get grief. I think of you going on your ride and so hope that in some small way it gave you peace. And so grateful for you prayers. I know that it is prayer that is keeping me putting in one day of this after another. We just have to hang on for dear life to Him to get us through this and on to the place of healing. Ok, well whatever Alto said is good advice. So, I would stick with it. Forgive me, I'm too weary to write much. The ride did help for the moment. But, I'm burning and I'm in pain and on and on and on....etc. I'm grateful for you too. Yes, God is the only reason I'm still here. He is carrying us. Just hold on, that is all there is to do, just hold on. That's what my prayer is, for endurance for us all. Xo Selma, I'm just so weary. 2005-Zoloft bad reaction.....2006-Lexepro......2012-Upped Lexepro.......2013-Upped Lexepro......2/2014- Attempted Taper Lexepro...2/2014- Updosed Lexepro.......3/2014-Ativan.....5/2014- CT switch from Lexpro to Effexor..... 5/2014-7/2014-Tapered Ativan from 1mg to .25mg.....6/2014-Bad reaction to Effexor........7/2014- Rapid taper Effexor every other day......7/5/2014- Off Effexor.......7/2014-12/2014 - Ativan .25mg.......12/25/2014 -Taper Ativan by 4% due to paradoxical reaction .24mg...11/18/2015-Taper Ativan 1% CURRENTLY ON: .2376mg Ativan taken in 6 .0396mg doses. Link to comment
Wildflower0214 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 I would listen to Rhi or Alto. Give their advice some serious consideration. JDM, I 'm so sorry, I missed this post. My brain doesn't focus very well. I do want to follow their advice, but I don't know how to get their attention. I posted on the taper site but no response yet. So I'm just cutting tiny amounts. Will stop completely if I get bad symptoms increase like akathisia or myoclonic jerking. Or insomnia. Don't know how else to measure it as the visual just keeps getting worse. I'm sure that when you;re able to get off the Ativan, that you'll see some relief too. So awful to have to keep swallowing chemicals that you know are hurting you but that you have to be so careful removing... Yes, it is awful. What did Alto tell you to do? And how often are you cutting? I think I remember there being a possible interaction problem between drugs you are dealing with...correct? I'm so sorry for you...im sorry for myself, for us all. I'm sorry that I'm just now getting to this. This day has been another day from Hell itself. My brain is continuing to try and compensate for the hyper activity -- it continues to shrink space. I am so so so grateful for you and for your encouragements while I know you are in a dark place too. I want so much for all this to be over and to be safely in the Kingdom of God. His timing is surely not mine. Alto had said that I should taper very slowly one of the drugs so I chose the Doxepin to start with. I'm doing a liquid taper on 50% of it and the other is in the capsule because I couldn't handle moving the whole capsule to water. I've been doing a micro taper of 0.1ml from 75ml , increasing by 0.1ml every night. Right now I am at 0.4ml but am not going to increase right now because I am so so so bad. Up and down all night with akathisia today and increase in the DR/DP and space. God alone knows how I am surviving this and to Him be the Glory. I've spent the whole day in terror that this will never end and in deep grief---most of it neuro emotion. Some people get rages, I get grief. I think of you going on your ride and so hope that in some small way it gave you peace. And so grateful for you prayers. I know that it is prayer that is keeping me putting in one day of this after another. We just have to hang on for dear life to Him to get us through this and on to the place of healing. Ok, well whatever Alto said is good advice. So, I would stick with it. Forgive me, I'm too weary to write much. The ride did help for the moment. But, I'm burning and I'm in pain and on and on and on....etc. I'm grateful for you too. Yes, God is the only reason I'm still here. He is carrying us. Just hold on, that is all there is to do, just hold on. That's what my prayer is, for endurance for us all. Xo Selma, I'm just so weary. 2005-Zoloft bad reaction.....2006-Lexepro......2012-Upped Lexepro.......2013-Upped Lexepro......2/2014- Attempted Taper Lexepro...2/2014- Updosed Lexepro.......3/2014-Ativan.....5/2014- CT switch from Lexpro to Effexor..... 5/2014-7/2014-Tapered Ativan from 1mg to .25mg.....6/2014-Bad reaction to Effexor........7/2014- Rapid taper Effexor every other day......7/5/2014- Off Effexor.......7/2014-12/2014 - Ativan .25mg.......12/25/2014 -Taper Ativan by 4% due to paradoxical reaction .24mg...11/18/2015-Taper Ativan 1% CURRENTLY ON: .2376mg Ativan taken in 6 .0396mg doses. Link to comment
SelmaLady Posted January 13, 2015 Author Share Posted January 13, 2015 (((JDM))) Our endurance will have to come from God. 1971-81 Valium 5mg c/t PAWS 1992- through now Zoloft 25mg 2003-05 Valium 12mg Slow Taper Off 2013 Afrin Exposure to CNS 2013 O/D Val 230mg 2013 Doxepin 50mg Clonidine 2mg Zoloft 25mg 3/15/16 Doxepin 49mg Micro Tapering Zoloft 24.3mg Holding taper 3/15/16 Clonidine mg 0.1 1/2 - Decreasing incrementally. DISCONTINUED 10/9/16 Doxepin 48.9 Zoloft 24.3 Clonidine 01.10 Continuing micro taper on Doxepin. 11/16/16 Doxepin 48mg Zoloft 24.3mg Clonidine 1.30mg 5/4/17 Doxepin 45mg Zoloft 24mg Clonidine 1.20mg Micro taper of Doxepin , Clonidine 01/13/19 Doxepin 45mg Zoloft 21mg Will start Micro taper of Doxepin 2/19 12/21/21 Doxepin 20 mg ? Reducing using water micro taper--Pulling 24ml from 75ml 12/2121 Zoloft .060 grams by weight--HOLDING (info from post added by CC: On 12/21/21 my dosage was .060grams by weight or 20mg. ) 26 Apr 2022 - Zoloft at -0- Link to comment
Frustrated Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 God bless and lay a healing hand upon all of us! 2002-put on amitryptiline for fibromyalgia. 10mg.2004-stopped abruptly. Didn't think it helped.2006 approx.-put on Paxil for mild anxiety 20 mg.2007 upped to 40 mg. not sure why.2011- tapered from 40 to 10. went nuts and went back to 20mg2014- tapered from 20mg to 0 from April to The end of June.current meds- Metformin(type 2 diabetic) and low dose aspirin.Take multi vitamin and vit b12, vit. D and magnesium. 5 months off Paxil. Still suffering.recently added 1.2mg of Paxil to alleviate withdrawals.(Nov 30)Dropped to .9mg because having symptoms from reinstatement.(dec 23)<p>taper to .76mg-.8mg (Feb 3) approx. weight .010 to about .008-.009 on scale..6mg (march 19th.) .5mg(April 19th).4mg(April 27th).2 (June 27th) 0mg. done taper at beginning of August. Link to comment
luv2knit Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Amen! Zoloft 100 mg. daily for Chronic Fatigue Syndrome since Oct. 1994 / Synthroid 88 mcg. daily / Supplements: Neptune Krill Oil-1,000 mg. twice daily/Astaxanthin 10 mg. twice daily/Ubiquinol 100 mg. twice daily (These 3 have allowed me to discontinue (approved by doctor) bp meds I was on. Calcium Citrate 500 mg. daily/Vitamin D3 2,400 iu daily/K2 (MK7) 100 mcg daily (osteopenia and fam. hist. of severe osteoporosis). Stress B Complex (1/2 dose)/Quercetin (for allergies/asthma)/Magnesium (400 mg. oral glycinate and about 50 mg. magnesium chloride spray oil a day, divided throughout day). Tapered Zoloft about 6 wks. Totally off since the end of July (25-29, 2014). 3 wks. vertigo at end of taper, then 3-4 wks. OK, followed by withdrawal symptoms increasing in severity (nausea, gastric disturbances, loss of appetite, insomnia, restlessness, jitters, anxiety, agitation--jumping out of my skin--possible akathisia?) Seem to have paradoxical reactions to everything new, even Vitamin C. Severity of akathisia comes and goes, but is constant to some degree. Hard to leave house, and cannot be home alone. (Retired) Link to comment
SelmaLady Posted January 13, 2015 Author Share Posted January 13, 2015 Please pray for me today. I am worse than I have ever been. I just do not understand why I keep getting worse. Am clutching onto God alone. 1971-81 Valium 5mg c/t PAWS 1992- through now Zoloft 25mg 2003-05 Valium 12mg Slow Taper Off 2013 Afrin Exposure to CNS 2013 O/D Val 230mg 2013 Doxepin 50mg Clonidine 2mg Zoloft 25mg 3/15/16 Doxepin 49mg Micro Tapering Zoloft 24.3mg Holding taper 3/15/16 Clonidine mg 0.1 1/2 - Decreasing incrementally. DISCONTINUED 10/9/16 Doxepin 48.9 Zoloft 24.3 Clonidine 01.10 Continuing micro taper on Doxepin. 11/16/16 Doxepin 48mg Zoloft 24.3mg Clonidine 1.30mg 5/4/17 Doxepin 45mg Zoloft 24mg Clonidine 1.20mg Micro taper of Doxepin , Clonidine 01/13/19 Doxepin 45mg Zoloft 21mg Will start Micro taper of Doxepin 2/19 12/21/21 Doxepin 20 mg ? Reducing using water micro taper--Pulling 24ml from 75ml 12/2121 Zoloft .060 grams by weight--HOLDING (info from post added by CC: On 12/21/21 my dosage was .060grams by weight or 20mg. ) 26 Apr 2022 - Zoloft at -0- Link to comment
Wildflower0214 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Please pray for me today. I am worse than I have ever been. I just do not understand why I keep getting worse. Am clutching onto God alone. Praying! Have you PM'd Alto? 2005-Zoloft bad reaction.....2006-Lexepro......2012-Upped Lexepro.......2013-Upped Lexepro......2/2014- Attempted Taper Lexepro...2/2014- Updosed Lexepro.......3/2014-Ativan.....5/2014- CT switch from Lexpro to Effexor..... 5/2014-7/2014-Tapered Ativan from 1mg to .25mg.....6/2014-Bad reaction to Effexor........7/2014- Rapid taper Effexor every other day......7/5/2014- Off Effexor.......7/2014-12/2014 - Ativan .25mg.......12/25/2014 -Taper Ativan by 4% due to paradoxical reaction .24mg...11/18/2015-Taper Ativan 1% CURRENTLY ON: .2376mg Ativan taken in 6 .0396mg doses. Link to comment
Frustrated Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 I am always praying. 2002-put on amitryptiline for fibromyalgia. 10mg.2004-stopped abruptly. Didn't think it helped.2006 approx.-put on Paxil for mild anxiety 20 mg.2007 upped to 40 mg. not sure why.2011- tapered from 40 to 10. went nuts and went back to 20mg2014- tapered from 20mg to 0 from April to The end of June.current meds- Metformin(type 2 diabetic) and low dose aspirin.Take multi vitamin and vit b12, vit. D and magnesium. 5 months off Paxil. Still suffering.recently added 1.2mg of Paxil to alleviate withdrawals.(Nov 30)Dropped to .9mg because having symptoms from reinstatement.(dec 23)<p>taper to .76mg-.8mg (Feb 3) approx. weight .010 to about .008-.009 on scale..6mg (march 19th.) .5mg(April 19th).4mg(April 27th).2 (June 27th) 0mg. done taper at beginning of August. Link to comment
Muddles Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Pray for you. Hold on - you can do this. 2008 - Doctors appointment with stress induced anxiety led to Citalopram prescription. Severe adverse reaction Mirtazapine prescribed - adverse reaction but told to stay on. Poop out - December 2013 15mg Currently on 13.5mg, April 12mg May 10th - 11mg June 10th - 10mg July 8th - 9mg September - 0mg Link to comment
luv2knit Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Yes... Praying--always! Zoloft 100 mg. daily for Chronic Fatigue Syndrome since Oct. 1994 / Synthroid 88 mcg. daily / Supplements: Neptune Krill Oil-1,000 mg. twice daily/Astaxanthin 10 mg. twice daily/Ubiquinol 100 mg. twice daily (These 3 have allowed me to discontinue (approved by doctor) bp meds I was on. Calcium Citrate 500 mg. daily/Vitamin D3 2,400 iu daily/K2 (MK7) 100 mcg daily (osteopenia and fam. hist. of severe osteoporosis). Stress B Complex (1/2 dose)/Quercetin (for allergies/asthma)/Magnesium (400 mg. oral glycinate and about 50 mg. magnesium chloride spray oil a day, divided throughout day). Tapered Zoloft about 6 wks. Totally off since the end of July (25-29, 2014). 3 wks. vertigo at end of taper, then 3-4 wks. OK, followed by withdrawal symptoms increasing in severity (nausea, gastric disturbances, loss of appetite, insomnia, restlessness, jitters, anxiety, agitation--jumping out of my skin--possible akathisia?) Seem to have paradoxical reactions to everything new, even Vitamin C. Severity of akathisia comes and goes, but is constant to some degree. Hard to leave house, and cannot be home alone. (Retired) Link to comment
SelmaLady Posted January 14, 2015 Author Share Posted January 14, 2015 ((Hugs)) to all who are praying. I am at a desperate place and trying to keep my thots from dark places. Please keep me in prayer that I find hope again. I am so ill. 1971-81 Valium 5mg c/t PAWS 1992- through now Zoloft 25mg 2003-05 Valium 12mg Slow Taper Off 2013 Afrin Exposure to CNS 2013 O/D Val 230mg 2013 Doxepin 50mg Clonidine 2mg Zoloft 25mg 3/15/16 Doxepin 49mg Micro Tapering Zoloft 24.3mg Holding taper 3/15/16 Clonidine mg 0.1 1/2 - Decreasing incrementally. DISCONTINUED 10/9/16 Doxepin 48.9 Zoloft 24.3 Clonidine 01.10 Continuing micro taper on Doxepin. 11/16/16 Doxepin 48mg Zoloft 24.3mg Clonidine 1.30mg 5/4/17 Doxepin 45mg Zoloft 24mg Clonidine 1.20mg Micro taper of Doxepin , Clonidine 01/13/19 Doxepin 45mg Zoloft 21mg Will start Micro taper of Doxepin 2/19 12/21/21 Doxepin 20 mg ? Reducing using water micro taper--Pulling 24ml from 75ml 12/2121 Zoloft .060 grams by weight--HOLDING (info from post added by CC: On 12/21/21 my dosage was .060grams by weight or 20mg. ) 26 Apr 2022 - Zoloft at -0- Link to comment
Moderator brassmonkey Posted January 14, 2015 Moderator Share Posted January 14, 2015 ((((((((((((((((((((((HUGS))))))))))))))))))) 20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013. Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks. The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better. Final Dose 0.016mg. Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017 "It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general." Stephen Hawking Link to comment
LoveandLight Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Sorry you feel so bad. My thoughts are with you xx 2000 - sertraline for job anxiety low confidence (17 years old) ..which turned the next 16 years into nightmare! On/off sertraline severe withdrawals every time. 2014 - felt better as reduced dose of sertraline no more inner restlessness. Doctor rushed off again. Hit severe withdrawal. Lost the little I had in life. Couldn't get stable again on 12.5mg. Was switched to prozac. Had severe reaction to prozac..came off in November 2015 at 6mg as felt more confused and damaged on it..Even more withdrawal ..rage, depression, dyphoria, near constant suicidal ideation, self harm impulses, doom, concrete block in head, unable to do much of anything with this feeling in head..went back on 6mg of sertraline to see if would alleviate anything. It didn't..reduced from December to June 2016 came off at 2.5mg sertraline as was hospitalised for the severe rage, suicidal impulses, and put on 50mg lofepramine which in 2nd week reduced all symptoms but gave insomnia which still have..psych stopped lofepramine cold turkey..no increased withdrawal symptoms new symptoms from lofepramine except persistant insomnia which has as side effect. Taking Ativan for 8 months for the severe rage self harm impulses 1-3 times a week (mostly 2 times a week) at .5mg. Two months (I'm unsure exactly when the interdose started to happen) ago interdose withdrawal seemed to happen..2 days I think after the Ativan. Nightmare that could have been avoided! Link to comment
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