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Original post: http://beyondmeds.com/2012/06/11/cope-pain/

for photo illustrations you will need to go to the original link as I couldn't get them in this post.

 

Coping with and healing body pain of withdrawal & withdrawal syndromes

 

Getting well takes effort and time and listening to the body for most of us. These are some of the things I do to help with pain that is part of withdrawal syndromes for many people.

 

I’ve collected several things I do to cope with the pain I experience as a result of long-term psychotropic drug use and the subsequent withdrawal pain I find myself in. Many people suffer from these pains upon withdrawal from many different psychiatric drugs and psychiatric drug classes so I thought I’d share how I cope. In most cases with most individuals the pain remits in time but that can take up to a few years in the worst case scenarios so we do need to have coping strategies in place while the time passes.

 

This is by no means an exhaustive list of what might be done to cope with pain. Some of this pain is sometimes talked about as fibromyalgia. I don’t personally find that diagnosis helpful as it’s a garbage pail term, but the pain is very real.

 

For additional discussion about the varieties of pain some of us with withdrawal syndromes experience see here: Dyesthesias: abnormal pain from psych drug withdrawal (includes info about several sorts of withdrawal pains too). These are all caused by the nervous system having been harmed by the neurotoxic drugs.

 

I do yoga almost daily…generally just for about 10 minutes max as that is all I can manage. On good days I may do that twice a day. There remain days when I can’t do anything at all but those days are becoming fewer and yoga really helps almost always. See: Do Yoga at Home

 

Yoga is also one of the primary ways I practice mindfulness and embodiment. It’s been, perhaps, my most important practice for healing all around. Rehabilitation too, from having been bedridden!

 

I’m wanting to share a posture that’s really helped with pain/neuropathy and paresthesia etc. It’s very easy. It does not work in a structural sense. It’s energetic somehow, though I’m not an expert at yoga so I don’t know how it works. The thing is it temporarily, on good days, relieves pain in my whole body. Even in my arms. It’s like there is an energy shift of some sort while I do it and for a while afterwards. On a good day it’s a long while. It can also help relieve the physiological and iatrogenic terror that is associated with benzo withdrawal.

 

Generally before this I do some brief standing postures that also stretch my body. If you are unfamiliar with yoga and need ideas you can google yoga postures and also check on youtube. And look here too. For simple beginner postures it’s a great way to start. In the long run a serious practice requires a teacher, but having taken yoga off and on for many years, right now what the computer offers us is plenty since many of us while sick can’t do altogether too much.

 

The one that seems to offer relief at the end is simple and very powerful…

 

legs against the wall: the below links are to photos of this posture...I don't know how to put a photo here...or you can go to the original post: http://beyondmeds.com/2012/06/11/cope-pain/

 

photos: http://beyondmeds.com/2011/02/20/copingpain/legsagainstwall/ AND http://beyondmeds.com/2011/02/20/copingpain/legwall/

 

Or I also have my butt a few inches from the wall. Feel free to make any adjustments your body finds necessary. Absolute form isn’t terribly important when it comes to finding some relief from the pain I’ve found. On some days doing this can alter the course of the day for the better. It’s really quite wonderful when it works that way.

 

My longest and most frequently used strategy for combatting the daily pain from the iatrogenic pain of withdrawal are frequent epsom salt baths.I did a post on how I do that here. I actually sometimes put even more epsom salts in the water and have also found that a highly concentrated foot bath is very good for bedtime relaxation.

 

I also take Tart Cherry Extractas a supplement. I did a post on it here. Anti inflammatory foods and diet can potentially help any and all pain (nothing is a cure-all) and neither has my heavy anti inflammatory diet been a cure-all for me but it does minimize pain. I’ve since also added Turmeric supplements. I like this one that has something added to aid absorption: Super Bio-curcumin.

 

Identifying and eliminating food intolerances have been very important too. Food the body doesn’t like can add to inflammation. This may include foods that are generally considered healthy. (I can’t eat nightshade vegetables, for example). Finding and eliminating these foods has required (and continues to require) meticulous attention to diet and how foods effect my body. I continue to learn all the time.

 

It’s possible to heal many food intolerances and once again be able to eat foods that offend but if one doesn’t eliminate them first it’s less likely. It can take years to clear things up. I am in process with this. See: Nutrition and Gut Health

 

These suggestions are not exhaustive. People find many things to help. Also none of these things cure the pain but all of them can help one cope with an ongoing chronic situation. Slowing my situation has become less acute, but I still have significant issues. I often say, I’ve gotten much much better, but I am still very very sick. I don’t know how else to convey what this journey is like to those who’ve not passed through similar terrain!

 

Hope this helps!

 

For a toolbox of more extensive coping strategies for withdrawal issues in general see here: Tool box for coping with psychiatric drug withdrawal syndromes (and some chronic pain and/or illness too)

 

I found this book, Freedom from Pain: Discover Your Body’s Power to Overcome Physical Pain helpful as well to deal with chronic pain issues. I have a post with an interview with the author here: Trauma is often held in the body and experienced as chronic pain

 

original post: http://beyondmeds.com/2012/06/11/cope-pain/

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Barbarannamated

Great info as always, Gia.

 

I had no idea how apropos my Introductory heading would become as I sift thru the pain - mood connection. I never considered myself "traumatized" until recently.

 

Now is when I would normally launch into apologizing and clarifying that "mine was not the 'usual and horrible trauma' such as physical child abuse" and downplay its role in my life..

 

I have had a front row seat to "physicians who throw pain patients into the 'somaticizer' trashcan" when MMPI or history reveals trauma and (per MD guidelines) "therefore will not respond to treatment". Pain drug treatment, of course. "However, perhaps antidepressants will be effective... along with a brief course of CBT..." [HUGE SARCASM SIGN]

 

My thoughts are circuitous and evolving on this topic. I've vehemently contradict myself in related threads. "Pain is NOT part and parcel of psychological state... pain IS related to suppression/bottling of feelings and patterns... "

 

The effect of repeated trauma on fight - flight - freeze response (I freeze)... learned helplessness (I hate that phrase but recognize myself in it and I REALLY HATE THAT)..."Learned restlessness" is interesting.

 

In perusing the links within Gia's post, several words jumped out at me: 'dissociation' being the main one. My primary coping mechanism. I'm subconsciously employing it now with my mother's terminal condition and knowing I need to face that but having a difficult time with the miasma of emotions. I'm becoming acutely aware of how draining repression and dissociation are. If I try to let my mind go there, I am overcome by must-get-horizontal-NOW sleepiness. I feel comfortable being 2500 miles away on the left coast.

 

Naptime.

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I stand for 8 hours a day and am constantly under stress. It is a rarity that I can relax. Yes, I should take deep breaths, meditate etc etc. Well I don't . BUT two years ago I found a high density roller that literally makes the difference between whether I am going to fall asleep or not or whether I can even lay down in bed without pain or not.

 

Sometimes when I get in bed at night I hurt. My face hurts, my jaw hurts, every pressure point is tender and HOT. So how do I use it?

 

I sit in it, I roll my butt on it until I feel a knot and I press on the knot. Sometimes I can actually feel the muscle "release". I'll sit on my side ( IT band) / hip on it and roll. I'll lay on the floor on TOP of it so my butt is at the bottom, my head is rested on the top and I'll extend my arms and slowky roll left and right over the knots in my shoulders. I can feel them release. It does take practice to figure out what will work but it isn't hard.

 

I'll use it as a pillow while I watch TV and drape my neck over the top to stretch out those muscles. There are YOU tube vids that show you how to use it. I never bought a book. I just let my body tell me what to do. I do it in the sun.

 

It is my favorite buddy and I will not ever be without one. The technique is called myofacial release & it saves me money. I can stretch my massage appts out by using it.

 

Go here to read about it. http://www.amazon.com/36-Inch-Super-High-Density-Foam-Roller/dp/B0028KDC82/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1345687963&sr=8-2&keywords=j+fit

 

Maybe someone else has used it? Maybe it doesn't work for some? I love it & it is cheap enough to try if you suffer from knotted up muscles. It's amazing how a muscle in my butt once released, relieves a face/ jaw nerve that is killing me. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

 

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It is my favorite buddy and I will not ever be without one. The technique is called myofacial release & it saves me money. I can stretch my massage appts out by using it.

 

Go here to read about it. http://www.amazon.com/36-Inch-Super-High-Density-Foam-Roller/dp/B0028KDC82/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1345687963&sr=8-2&keywords=j+fit

 

 

 

Thanks for posting this, I am going to look into it as my body often goes out of alignment causing a great deal of muscle pain and tension. I usually manage to work this out by myself and think this could help. So thanks for going to this trouble. :)

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Skyler

I stand for 8 hours a day and am constantly under stress. It is a rarity that I can relax. Yes, I should take deep breaths, meditate etc etc. Well I don't . BUT two years ago I found a high density roller that literally makes the difference between whether I am going to fall asleep or not or whether I can even lay down in bed without pain or not.

Go here to read about it. http://www.amazon.com/36-Inch-Super-High-Density-Foam-Roller/dp/B0028KDC82/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1345687963&sr=8-2&keywords=j+fit

 

Thanks, this looks great. I will be seeing my occupational therapist who does myofascial release in two weeks and will report back ..

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Foam rolling/SMR (Self Myofascial Release) it's quite a bit of controversial topic. There are a lot of people, especially in the strentgth and conditioning field, who find it pretty much essential. Others basically say it's a placebo at best, because soft tissues are not that easy (if not impossible) to "manipulate".

 

I've been "rolling" for years, but later I'm starting to approach the other side of the fence, which look at pain, tension and all of this jazz from a more "neurological" view point.

 

 

"Mesodermal" approach links:

 

- a video tutorial with basic rolling drills.

 

Mobility WOD - a site with lots of videos of similar drills.

 

 

"Ectodermal" approach links:

 

Paul Ingraham's site - tons of useful articles.

 

Diane Jacobs' site - same but more difficult

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Altostrata

I've found a roller helped my back and shoulder muscle pain. I also used to lie on it lengthwise (on my spine) and rock a little side to side to give my spine a massage, this felt good, too.

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GiaK

this topic keeps coming up so a post for the blog is on the back burner...but I'm just not getting around to it...which means I'll share the info with you all since I promised Alto I'd get around to it...

 

In any case I've had a long term problem with chronic and acute pain since withdrawal...

 

I've had a huge amount of pain relief in the last 3 weeks or so. I do many things that help my foundational well-being so I don't believe this last bit is the only thing that's helping me, but it certainly nailed it for me...

 

I'm using proteolytic enzymes and lots of anti-inflammatory foods and supplements…

 

the foods and supplements are turmeric, tart cherry, ginger, cinnamon, (cayenne is good if you can do nightshades)

 

I take the enzymes on an empty stomach and I took them every few hours until the pain mellowed…now I take them about 3 times a day…

 

the anti-inflammatory foods/spices I buy as food and spice and use them liberally in my cooking and tea etc. But I also get a turmeric supplement with something that helps it absorb (tumeric on it's own doesn't absorb well by most accounts)…and the tart cherry is a supplement too and I take it several times a day. I also get a tincture of ginger and squirt it in water and tea for ease of preparation…

 

but I also love getting big things of fresh ginger and simmering bits for tea and also cooking with it

 

virtually no pain since I put this all together…(when I burned my hand very badly) now I'm doing it for my whole body…grateful  I burned my hand!! 

 

I once did a post on tart cherry...just a bit more info on that here: http://beyondmeds.com/2010/09/01/tartcherry/

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Altostrata

Thanks, Gia.

 

Synchronicity -- a friend was just telling me how she takes turmeric capsules and consumes ginger to reduce pain in her hands. She says it seems to help.

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GiaK

oh...I did another post on coping strategies for pain...some of which are still part of my protocol...

 

so these may be helpful too:

 

coping strategies for pain

http://beyondmeds.com/2011/02/20/copingpain/

 

I will do another post with the new info I have at some point soon.

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Skyler

Thanks, Gia.

 

Synchronicity -- a friend was just telling me how she takes turmeric capsules and consumes ginger to reduce pain in her hands. She says it seems to help.

 

I just went to a seminar entitled Food For Thought: How Nutrients Affect Mental Health and the Brain which was presented by Merrily Kuhn, RN, CCRN, PDD, ND, PhD. One of the segments she did was on nutrients that help inflammation. She recommended Curcu-Gel Ultra Curcumin Spice Supplement 500mg, 60 Softgels by Solanova which she said is the best tumeric supplement. She takes it for her hands and said it was so potent the pain disappeared in TWO days.

 

You can imagine my surprise when reading this post as I have an order ready to put through with Amazon for the Ultra Curcumin. Merrily said it should cost $24 for 2 months supply but I'm pulling up $29 with Google so I'm checking further today. I can hardly wait. The pain in my hands can get pretty intense. Guess I'll find out if it helps other types of pain as well!!

 

She also gave info about chocolate (see chocolate thread) and gave recommends on Omega 3 supplements and I'll get that into the appropriate thread later

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GiaK

though I need to take it twice a day...and I do a whole lot of other things too...

 

pain is very complex, involving body and mind intricately...so solving it tends to be different for everyone...

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Skyler

though I need to take it twice a day...and I do a whole lot of other things too...

 

pain is very complex, involving body and mind intricately...so solving it tends to be different for everyone...

 

The tumeric capsules are for BID, so your body is in tune with the research. :)

 

pretty sure this has the same active concoction and it's what I use...with bio-curcumin...which is what allows it to absorb better...it's a bit less expensive

 

http://www.amazon.com/Life-Extension-Bio-curcumin-Vegetarian-Capsules/dp/B000X9P5GM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1348752243&sr=8-1&keywords=Curcumin+life+extension

 

Hmmm, this brand is more than 25% less and nothing to sneeze at for long term use, but Merrily was really emphatic about the type she recommended. I'm planning to send her an email and will ask if her suggestion was based on the presence of bio-curcumin. And maybe order the more expensive stuff to start, then try the brand you recommended to see if it's as effective :). I am very on board with this given the arthritis in my hands, and there is always the possibility it might help with fibro (I tried literally dozens of alternative treatments in the first years after being diagnosed and got really hurt by false hopes).

 

PS.. her one day workshops are given all over the US, and I did an easy stint as a volunteer, so the cost was only $40. Anyone interested can go to www.ibpceu.com The book she co-authored is on Amazon. Yikes, it was cheaper buying to at the conference. Think I may get this thru my library to check it out first.

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GiaK

given my pain is under control I'm happy with what I've come up with...

 

have you ever tried using the proteolytic enzymes? I'm quite sure they are a helpful part of my combo. They need to be taken on an empty stomach...that's the most important part

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Skyler

given my pain is under control I'm happy with what I've come up with...

 

have you ever tried using the proteolytic enzymes? I'm quite sure they are a helpful part of my combo. They need to be taken on an empty stomach...that's the most important part

 

I just looked for them on Amazon, but don't know anything about them in particular. I think I'll try adding one thing at a time. You take Omega 3, tumeric, and proteolytic enzymes for inflammation? The only thing I've ever taken that helped was Lyrica, but that does not mean it's the only effective treatment out there (well, once in a while a Big Pharma fix can actually help :rolleyes: ). The last foray I made into natural cures was with a woman in Boston who had helped her fibro by identifying foods she was allergic/sensitive to. But mine was triggered by a chronic strain that spread body wide (so without this trigger fibro would not have developed). I therefore did not take the strict diet route and try to eliminate any foods that cause sensitivities.. I don't think there are any, though of course staying away from toxic additives is good for all!

 

PS.. did you read about the research that points to the development of gluten issues stemming from modern processing that does not allow yeast (fermentation) to do what it did historically.. so we don't have the type of glutens that are good for us? Very interesting stuff.

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Skyler

pretty sure this has the same active concoction and it's what I use...with bio-curcumin...which is what allows it to absorb better...it's a bit less expensive

 

http://www.amazon.com/Life-Extension-Bio-curcumin-Vegetarian-Capsules/dp/B000X9P5GM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1348752243&sr=8-1&keywords=Curcumin+life+extension

 

Hi Gia.. out of utter confusion, I joined consumerlabs. The type of Tumeric the nurse who ran the the nutrition shop suggested has BCM-95 may have even greater bioavailability, about 7 times that of normal curcumin according to consumer labs.

 

Eeek, when all the supplements I need are added up they come to a rather tidy sum. You really think they may calm the nerves that transmit all the fibro pain? That would be nice.. Guess it's worth a try. At least it sounds like the arthritis pain in my hands should simmer down.

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GiaK

they're anti-inflammatory...I don't think saying they "calm nerves" is quite right.

 

I also have no idea if what you got will help you.

 

As I stated in my first post I have an extensive protocol...these supps are truly a small part of all I do.

 

I really don't think they're enough on their own for people with severe issues.

 

In conjunction with many other things they help me immensely.

 

I encourage you to get as many anti-inflammatory REAL WHOLE foods in your diet which are in general far preferable to supplements.

 

I do think these particular supplements I've added are extra potent as well as whole food based...

 

the enzymes are just as important in my combination as well.

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I just added proteolytic enzymes to my list... can you give me a link to info on their action? Any brand in particular?

 

I'm not sure about antiinflammatory foods. I have a pretty extensive handout on all this.. anti-inflams foods are there too, but I can only digest in increments. :) Next on that front will be green tea.. duh, I can't remember how much I'm sposed to drink a day, something like FIVE good sized cups. And I don't like green tea.. guess I will have to learn.

 

Thanks for your help.

 

Edit.. Just came up with this. Guess Consumer Labs is as good a place as any to start. Link

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GiaK

this is something a close friend of mine who is a chiropractor sent me in an email....I was asking her how to avoid sensitivities as I get allergic to everything

 

So when I recommend patients do long term use of proteolytic enzymes for any purpose like fibrosis, inflammation, pain or virus, I have them switch to a different enzyme source with the completion of each bottle. For example, I will have them start with a bottle of Multizyme made with defatted fig and almond (2 caps, three times per day, with water, away from food), and when done with that switch to ones made from bromelain and papayain (I forget the one we carry), then when done with that with to one made with serrapepatase (we carry Serramend from Health Concerns). We do carry OmegaZyme from Garden of Life with is a spectrum enzyme product that has the proteolytics in it too. This rotation will avoid the issue where someone makes themselves allergic from overexposure to a food.

I use SerraGold http://www.vitacost.com/enzymedica-serragold-120-capsules

 

and Bromelain http://www.vitacost.com/country-life-triple-strength-bromelain

 

and OmegaZyme http://www.vitacost.com/garden-of-life-omega-zyme

 

I've been taking OmegaZyme for years and I've added the other two to do rotations...

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this is something a close friend of mine who is a chiropractor sent me in an email....I was asking her how to avoid sensitivities as I get allergic to everything

 

So when I recommend patients do long term use of proteolytic enzymes for any purpose like fibrosis, inflammation, pain or virus, I have them switch to a different enzyme source with the completion of each bottle. For example, I will have them start with a bottle of Multizyme made with defatted fig and almond (2 caps, three times per day, with water, away from food), and when done with that switch to ones made from bromelain and papayain (I forget the one we carry), then when done with that with to one made with serrapepatase (we carry Serramend from Health Concerns). We do carry OmegaZyme from Garden of Life with is a spectrum enzyme product that has the proteolytics in it too. This rotation will avoid the issue where someone makes themselves allergic from overexposure to a food.

I use SerraGold http://www.vitacost.com/enzymedica-serragold-120-capsules

 

and Bromelain http://www.vitacost.com/country-life-triple-strength-bromelain

 

and OmegaZyme http://www.vitacost.com/garden-of-life-omega-zyme

 

I've been taking OmegaZyme for years and I've added the other two to do rotations...

 

Wow, so many considerations. I have a lot to read/study. Thanks so much for your help..

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Barbarannamated

Yucca and Devil's Claw, anyone?

 

Also, Cetyl-M (cetyl myristolate) is gaining popularity in equine vet medicine where joint pain relief that won't show in drug testing is a big issue. I have learned alot from veterinarians over the years. Please take no offense to the reference!

http://www.horse.com/supplements/pain-relief/755/

 

Hyaluronic acid http://www.ehow.com/about_4607173_hyaluronic-acid-benefits.html

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GiaK

I've made a post with the info in this thread, it's a bit more thorough and has a few more pieces of info and links...

 

Adventures in natural pain relief http://wp.me/p5nnb-7O7

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BinxBolling

I'm wondering if anyone has any tips for treating headache and, for lack of a better term, neuropathic pain (burning/aching all over body) in protracted withdrawal. The pain never really goes away, it just gets better and worse. Advil improves it by maybe 15% (all other OTCs make it worse); I've been given opioids, tramadol, and other things but none of them work (some take away acute pain but increase dizziness and head pressure). I also try things like coherent breathing, mindfulness, warm baths. Concentrating on anything (reading, television, board games) tends to make the headache and burning worse.

 

Any tips would be much appreciated!

 

Binx

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Barbarannamated

Binx,

 

I've had success with acupuncture in the past (prior to w/d) for head, back and neck pain. I'm not familiar with neuropathic pain (and hope to remain a stranger to it). Have opiates ever worked for your neuropathic pain (prior to w/d)? Just curious.

 

I also use Salon Pas or similar OTC menthol patches, but again, not for neuropathic pain.

 

You are probably aware... sumatriptan (all triptans for migraine) are serotonergic. Tramadol is very similar to SNRIs (Effexor, Pristiq) with some opioid affinity. Very confusing drug and metabolic profile/interactions. Coincidentally, i was prescribed Nucynta several years ago and toldit was similar to tramadol which is thought to be non-addictive. However, Nucynta is now a Schedule II (highly controlled due toaddiction potential). Not sure when that changed but thought i'd mention just FYI.

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Altostrata

I found acupuncture to be very helpful for pain.

 

Also, Epsom salts baths (magnesium) can give relief.

 

You may be hypersensitive to light, causing the headaches, see our topics on this

 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/304-light-sensitive-try-blocking-out-blue-light

 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/251-light-flashes-made-me-sick/

 

For a while, bright lights were giving me migraines, but that went away.

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BinxBolling

Yes, my understanding is that Tramadol has serotonin reuptake properties, which made me hesitant to take it, but it didn't work anyway (or, at least, not in the way it's supposed to).

 

Neuropathic pain probably isn't the right terminology---I just don't have any technical vocabulary to describe it. It's basically a sort of burning pain that's worst in the head, but radiates throughout my entire body. It's accompanied by a sort of vibrating tremor and what feels like "pressure." But it's not localized pain, so I don't think salon pas would work. Opioids took the edge off the pain, but not the vibration and pressure that accompany or source it, so it clearly won't go away until the brain function improves.

 

There's obviously some kind of misfiring/dysfunction in the brain that's responsible for it.

 

Thanks,

 

Binx

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GiaK

I've done a couple of posts on pain in withdrawal...and how I've coped with it...I've learned to manage it fairly well now...but I use many methods at once...including yoga and meditation and supplements and diet...

 

I don't imagine what works and learning to listen to ones body is ever quite the same for two different people...but this is what I've worked out.

 

 

Adventures in natural pain relief

 

and

 

Coping with and healing body pain of withdrawal & withdrawal syndromes

 

 

I no longer tolerate any pain relievers at all, so this is it for me...

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BinxBolling

Thanks---I tried acupuncture for quite a while but it didn't help. I don't think it's a light thing---early on in the withdrawal I was light sensitive, but not any more. It basically never goes away, so there really isn't a "trigger" as far as I can tell, but any attempts at prolonged concentration tend to make it worse.

 

I'll try the Epsom salts!

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BinxBolling

Thanks, Silver Star. Very informative posts. I've tried Turmeric without much success, tried tart cherry a while ago for sleep when the insomnia was bad. Maybe I'll give that a shot again and some other things you mention. Much appreciated.

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ikam

I wonder how to deal with phisical. I personally get frequent migraines, headaches. I was once in with a chronic pelvic pain condition for over one year. At present I have had an achilless tendon pain.

My first response was always medication...

I feel a bit lost now...

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Petunia

I feel the same way ikam, at the first sign of a headache I would go to my medicine cabinet and take the maximum dose of a strong pain reliever.  But since going into withdrawal I'm sensitive to all medications and have had to learn how to deal with pain more naturally.

 

I've found that drinking more water and laying in a quiet room can sometimes relieve a headache.  If its real bad, I will take one aspirin, I seem to be able to tolerate this without any bad effects.  One is often enough now to reduce even strong pain.  Gentle stretching, massage and heat can reduce some kinds of muscle pain.

 

Many people find acupuncture helpful.

 

Here are some home remedies for joint pain:

 

http://everydayroots.com/arthritis-remedies

 

Maybe others can share what has worked for them.

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ikam

I feel the same way ikam, at the first sign of a headache I would go to my medicine cabinet and take the maximum dose of a strong pain reliever.  But since going into withdrawal I'm sensitive to all medications and have had to learn how to deal with pain more naturally.

 

I've found that drinking more water and laying in a quiet room can sometimes relieve a headache.  If its real bad, I will take one aspirin, I seem to be able to tolerate this without any bad effects.  One is often enough now to reduce even strong pain.  Gentle stretching, massage and heat can reduce some kinds of muscle pain.

 

Many people find acupuncture helpful.

 

Here are some home remedies for joint pain:

 

http://everydayroots.com/arthritis-remedies

 

Maybe others can share what has worked for them.

I used to have acupuncture and trigger point physiotherapy for my pelvic pain + regular exercices...This helped...

 

But as you said when the pain kicks in I tend to go to my medicine cabinet and take the strongest painkiller, or go to pharamacy and buy one, or get a doctor prescription for a stronger one...

 

For me it is so important as I see that any phisical discomfort seems a trigger to restarting using drugs. Such as codeine; when I start it takes me long time to stop. Such as nasal spray. But also doxepin, which was prescribed to prevent migraines ans betablocker...

 

So I need tp prepare well this time...

 

I also hear that some pains relate to serotonin imbalance, eg. arthritis pain, or my achilles tendon pain...

 

I know that I am more in phisical pain when stressed out. In my last job I was in enormous conflict on daily basis and had migraines three times a week...

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Hudgens

Mindfulness works for even severe pain. It's all over the web and it's very simple so you can learn the techniques

and start using them immediately. I use it for everything painful and I'd say it cuts out about 50-60% of the suffering

usually involved. Just Google "Mindfulness for pain control". 

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Brighid

For pain that's related to the increased muscle tension of withdrawal, one thing I've done is work with a physical therapist, including a specialized PT for a year to treat pelvic floor disorder and its related pain. I've also worked with a PT for joint (sacroiliac) pain and am currently seeing a PT for issues related to my upper back, neck, and jaw and even my teeth (working my way up!). It's a lot of work, but I've had improvements so far, especially in areas where I have structural alignment issues as well. I've also seen a chiropractor and am doing tai chi, which includes qigong type meditative exercises that involve (among other things) relaxing the face, eyes, head, and jaw. There's just so much I can afford, but at least PT is covered by my insurance--and the PT practice I go to does a lot of holistic stuff. 

I try to stay away from analgesics, too, as I don't know anymore how anything will affect me. Heat, relaxation, gentle exercise (half-hour walk every day), meditation, careful stretching, Epsom salt baths and magnesium oil--all have been helpful to me. 

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I love Petu's list.  I'm only gonna agree with most of you about magnesium, epsom salts, and chime in as well - 

 

topical preparations like FisioCreme, IcyHot, BenGay, chinese linament.  I used to use horse linament, including DMSO (hay - it's good for the horses, not sure why they don't use it in humans more) when my back was so bad.  And alternating heat packs and ice packs (though it's not good to have them near the brain, so I keep a wheat pack in the freezer - it never freezes totally, but is cool, and can help without being too much for your brain)

 

But now, my husband gets nauseous when I use anything with menthol (the "cool" feeling in linament, and also the salicylic pain reliever), so I've had to get creative.  Try a few "arthritis" or "sports" cremes to see if anything helps.

 

A very gentle one (would probably work with Petu's water and dark room lie down) is a dab of pure lavender oil on the temples.

 

I've recently become a fan of chinese patches, you can put them on the sore spot and leave it there for up to 5 days.  I prefer the Chinese ones to the drug store ones, which are usually capsicain (hot pepper) and burn my skin unbearably.

 

This is one I struggle with, too.  

 

For the Achilles, I have found (I use this on my hand) Rocktape. It's a special compression tape, with more support than regular strapping tape.  Extreme athletes use it to push their bodies past their limits - I use it to live another day, maybe make it to older age!  I plan to also use it on my knee next time I try some sport.

 

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