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ikam

30% down of 2.5mg =  i am taking 1.75mg

 

Seems my rapper is the only aspect in my life that moves on at the moment...

 

 

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ikam

I am ok with symptoms, as usually do not really know if my symptoms are simply stress related ( complicated divorce, mother 's death, car engine fault, etc.) or WD related. Or, most likely both...the main one is tiredness...

 

I have these urges  more and more often, to try to do 2% instead of 1% at the time...

Perhaps, I will just try...and see how I feel...

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Gridley

I would urge caution.  You are at such a low dose and this is not a time to speed up.  You're doing well, and it's not worth the risk of destabilizing.  

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ikam
8 hours ago, Gridley said:

I would urge caution.  You are at such a low dose and this is not a time to speed up.  You're doing well, and it's not worth the risk of destabilizing.  

Thank you. Valid point. I stay with the protocol as it is... 

Escitalopram is so difficult to tapper, as even low dose seems much higher than in other AD. 

 

I woke up depressed today. I feel old and unimportant... Also my life seems a mess...have to wait for the second divorce petition, the amendment. In the meantime he stopped payments towards the mortgage but lives in the house for free now... 

I feel as if I have no energy to cope with this situation which affects other aspects of my life... Have no desire to do anything... 

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ikam

i need to cut carbs down; i have been compensating by eating sweets- it is not like me...

i have had more pain in my body, that i think relates to carbs

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powerback
25 minutes ago, ikam said:

i need to cut carbs down; i have been compensating by eating sweets- it is not like me...

i have had more pain in my body, that i think relates to carbs

Hi ikam ,im also cutting carbs and even wanting to get my body keto adapted [this very hard and takes time].ketosis is basically making your body use healthy fats for energy rather than carbs/sugar .when your dropping barbs introduce healthy fats like  avocado/coconut oil /nuts like pecans and macadamia nuts and salmon  .don't cut carbs cold turkey you will feel like crap [I know the irony here ].

google complex carbs and replace any refined simple carbs with this .

you should make snacks without sugar but we cant wolf even healthy fats down either ,it will sit on us if we aren't burning it off .

reducing carbs is very good I've read it reduces inflammation.

Take care . 

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ikam

Yeah, I am thinking about carb reduction rather than stopping them completely. In the past month I have been eating too much ice cream and other comfort sweets, like milk chocolate, which i do normally have..

So I need to get back to being more wise...

I had some raisins today, no chocolate, no ice cream...

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Junglechicken
1 minute ago, ikam said:

Yeah, I am thinking about carb reduction rather than stopping them completely. In the past month I have been eating too much ice cream and other comfort sweets, like milk chocolate, which i do normally have..

So I need to get back to being more wise...

I had some raisins today, no chocolate, no ice cream...

 

Ikam,

 

Its a constant battle.

 

I struggle all the time with this.

 

Be strong.

 

JC xx

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ikam
Just now, Junglechicken said:

 

Ikam,

 

Its a constant battle.

 

I struggle all the time with this.

 

Be strong.

 

JC xx

I hardly ever had such problems...only recently, since I relay on other people with the divorce, cannot make things faster, have to wait, and I feel so frustrated...so I was eating lots of crap...

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ikam

i have noticed recently that i do feel the reduction symptoms- kind of tired and headachy, at my second day of the reduction rather that at 4th...then around 4th day i am better...

i do 1% tappers, tend to do two weeks, 1% at the time, then two weeks hold, and restart...

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Junglechicken
1 minute ago, ikam said:

I hardly ever had such problems...only recently, since I relay on other people with the divorce, cannot make things faster, have to wait, and I feel so frustrated...so I was eating lots of crap...

 

Yes, I know, and that's all it takes.

 

I recall the last time I saw my mother, she was particularly cruel to me......I came home and didn't comfort eat - now that was a triumph.

 

However, I'm not able to be that strong (esp. before my TOTM).  Hormonal changes cause havoc with willpower.

 

 

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ikam
On 6/4/2018 at 3:25 PM, Junglechicken said:

 

Yes, I know, and that's all it takes.

 

I recall the last time I saw my mother, she was particularly cruel to me......I came home and didn't comfort eat - now that was a triumph.

 

However, I'm not able to be that strong (esp. before my TOTM).  Hormonal changes cause havoc with willpower.

 

 

I always responded to contacting my mother with psychosomatic symptoms. 

She died 2 months ago and I feel kind of relieved... Kind of better... 

I did not go to the funeral, and I feel good with this...

My mother was so toxic...kind of manipulative... 

 

I have noticed that I respond with eating sweets if I cannot do anything but wait, as it is with the divorce... I am finding this really difficult... 

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ikam

I am sensitive to tapering, accidentally I did 3%in past two weeks (I miscalculated I though I was doing 1% at a time over 3weeks period) and I ended up with a headache and tiredness...

I am also kind of irritable... Cannot stand "noisy gardening"... What I have noticed, people have stopped a "normal" gardening, they make their gardens using many noisy machines...! 

This world has become so noisy! 

 

I wish I could go faster with my tapper, but each time my body reminds me that I have to slow down...

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powerback
23 minutes ago, ikam said:

I always responded to contacting my mother with psychosomatic symptoms. 

She died 2 months ago and I feel kind of relieved... Kind of better... 

I did not go to the funeral, and I feel good with this...

My mother was so toxic...kind of manipulative... 

 

I have noticed that I respond with eating sweets if I cannot do anything but wait, as it is with the divorce... I am finding this really difficult... 

Hi IKAM ,have you tried the tapping videos on youtube ,I find them helpful when very bad .the sweets thing is a subconscious response from your brain ,we learn these things very young to distract .I've noticed lately I'm picking the skin at the side of my right thumb again .

I'm aware of it now so it doesn't get to bad .

Have you looked into maybe you have unnecessary guilt towards negative feelings towards your mother .

As I said the sweets is a total unconscious response ,maybe keep a note pad around you at all times and put a sign on it saying express your feelings rather than eat sweets .It would be great to stop eating sugar ,sugar is hitting the pleasure centre of the brain .I've noticed im craving the euphoric feeling substances previously gave me .I've cut exercise  back  carbs/sugar so with withdrawl also my brain is craving pleasure/substances .

2 months ago is very recent so be kind to yourself and compassionate  to yourself .

Take care ,always try to get outside in the sun .I have a spot that's so peaceful I hear the crickets and bees buzzing around me .I treasure it.

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ikam

Hey, I do not feel guilty re: my mother. 

 

But I do feel highly insecure with my divorce and that I am completely on my own, nobody to rely on... So if things will get bad I may even end up homeless... Hope not... 

 

When my mother was around, it was like having an extra "problem" on my shoulder...she was likey child and I had no support from her... 

And I think it is better got her that she fief as she was on a combo of meds and in a lot of turmoil and pain. She did not understand that dome of her symptoms were side effects or damage from the meds...last few years she deteriorated rapidly, was constantly in hospitals, etc. So for her, it is better to be with no pain at last... 

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ikam

I am OK just morning was a bit difficult... 

I get these strange headaches in the morning, kind of tense head... 

Again, if I manage to distract it lasts shorter... 

Is this possible that some of the symptoms relate to our mind becoming attached to them? 

 

I do remember symptoms when I cut in half, these were so difficult and overwhelming... 

At the moment, they are manageable... 

 

I am often curious how different I would be if not meds... I have been medicated since 1983... 

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ikam

tennis elbow- really bad...nothing helps...i guess, it is part of wd...

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ikam

Some of my posts are not showing up... 

 

I am down 34% from 2.5mg...

No symptoms... 

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ikam

Hi, I am doing OK with my tapper. 

 

At the same time life throws obstacles...the solicitor is not responding to my requests to contact me...I have to pay both for my rent and the mortgage (husband still lives there and I cannot sell, cannot do anything...), have to call bank each month to explain my problems, my credit score is affected, etc. etc...

my car has had some strange symptoms and car mechanic could not repair after more than 5 hours...

 

I getting extremely tired with pretending that problems do not exist...cannot do much so have to avoid them...waking up each morning around 5, thinking about it all...then get distracted during the day...

 

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Martina23

I am sorry to hear about your problems. I have similar. The court here in Austria wants me  to pay all court costs even if they failed to help me at all with child support (I later won the case in US) You will always meet stupid people. We have to try to eliminate such things the most it goes. Try to make you happy with something that you have also something positive in life.

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ikam

I Sent a complaint letter yesterday. Now I am worried that this may work against me...

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ikam

35% of 2.5mg, still taking 65% = 1.625mg

i do not have any additional symptoms...still elbow and feet pain...

started Pilates

 

 

 

 

 

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ikam

1.6mg since Monday. No symptoms... 

I have had ongoing pains in the body, feet, tennis elbow, which may have been aggravated by WD

 

Started Pilates, this is helpful... 

 

Wrote a letter to the Bank, re: mortgage as husband stopped payments in January and I live elsewhere, but bank demands momey

 

My solicitor is back on sick leave, I have another locum, feel completely unsupported, wrote a formal complaint... 

Nothing is happening and I am really overwhelmed by this, although kind of shut down... 

 

My best friend is in hospital with gallbladder, I am worried... 

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Junglechicken
46 minutes ago, ikam said:

 

Good find Ikam!

 

Encouraging that long-term research on the effects of ADS is taking place (sadly on animals - chimps).

 

Never ceases to amaze me though that no proper long-term ADS research on these drugs was done before.  Hence, we all succumbed to WD symptoms etc.,

 

This does give me hope, and begs the question whether the next "generation" of AD users, will have an easier time coming off these drugs?

 

We having been the Guinea pigs.

 

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ikam

It has taken me two years to get down by 1mg. My starting dose was 2.5mg. I am now on 1.6mg

Two years! 

But I have been doing better, steady progress... I am managing to do 1% each week with no symptoms. I am actually feeling better, brighter in my head, just normal... 

Although dealing with a severe stress at the same time... 

Perhaps, I have to be strong and keep myself "undisturbed" somehow, so I can cope with life. 

I am dealing not only with the divorce, but constant solicitors change, bank requests, husband in a psychopathic rage, he gives me a silent treatment and stopped paying for his living, bank wants money from me... Etc... 

Perhaps, it will hit me... 

But I don't want to stop with my tapper, I am doing well with this, apart from a phisical pain... 

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Altostrata

That's good to hear, ikam. Remember, you can always stop tapering if it all seems too stressful for you.

 

Many people do better with fish oil and magnesium supplements, see
http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/36-king-of-supplements-omega-3-fatty-acids-fish-oil/

http://survivingantidepressants.org/topic/15483-magnesium-natures-calcium-channel-blocker/

 

A lot of people find them helpful. Try a little bit of one at a time to see how it affects you.

 

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ikam

Thanks Alto. I will add fish oil and mag as regular supplements. 

I bought mag glycinate as it helps to sleep... 

 

I think my symptoms relate more to my highly difficult situation... 

 

I will stop tapering if I notice anything extra, at the moment it seems a right pace... 

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ikam

Reduction by 37% of 2.5mg = 1.575mg

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ikam

it seems I am better with steady and mini-decreases, as I said 1% at a time...

 

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ikam

I had USG on my feet and it shows mortons neuroma. 

As this is a condition related to the nerves, I think WD affects it additionally, makes it worse in terms of pain and irritation... 

 

Not feeling well today, tired and headache. 

Just changed a solicitor last week... She seems more organised, but I am extremely worried... 

He was nasty in emails last week. Still does not pay for the mortgage, but he lives there! The debt is getting bigger and bigger and it affects me eventually... 

I have to complete the financial statement from for a court, it is so complicated...

Feeling really powerless today... Cannot kick him out, and he enjoys rent free living since January... 

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ikam

lots of physical pain

up-dosed from 39%, back to 38%...

 

it seems as if any preconditions flared up- sciatica pain, leg pain, foot pain, elbows and headache...

 

additionally feeling low, but this relates to the divorce...

pain may relate to the divorce as well- a kind of transfer in feeling powerless and unable to express my anger that is turned against my body...

anger that cannot be expressed tends to be transferred into anger against oneself- hence pain, sadness, suicidal thought, etc. 

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ikam

feeling better...went to chiropractor yesterday...seems my pain related to bad body posture when sitting...I was typing my financial statement for the court on Tuesday, did not realise the tension and the way I was sitting...this impacted on the pain...also plites helped....

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