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Hi,

 

I watched a documentary a few years ago called 'Food Matters' that talked about taking vitamins for nutrition (http://documentarylovers.com/film/food-matters/). Not only did it talk about Nutrition, but it talked about the work of Abram Hoffer (who I think might or might not have been a Nobel prize winner) and his work with Niacin, also known as Vitamin B3.

 

In this documentary and other Google+ webinars Andrew Saul talks about using high doses of Niacin for dealing with depression and schizophrenia amongst many other conditions.

 

The documentary also mentions that Abram Hoffer lived to his 90's and that he claimed it to be because of his 40years on Niacin.

 

In another Webinar by Andrew Saul on Youtube called '6 Proven Ways to Improve Your Health',

he says that high doses of Vitamin C (in the 10's of thousands of milligrams -[way beyond the dose recommended by the RDA]) was a good treatment for treating various different diseases like Polio, Pneumonia, Cardiovascular disease, Dyptheria, Cancer etc etc.


 

Andrew Saul also has a website that he claims is peer reviewed called: http://www.doctoryourself.com/. On the sites page for depression it says that

'Depression is the most frequently searched-for topic at DoctorYourself.com'  (http://www.doctoryourself.com/depression.html).

 

So this got me thinking and wanting to ask the question here, has anyone on this website Surviving Antidepressants tried to use Andrew Sauls websites, books or videos to attempt to deal with depression/anxiety/schizophrenia or to cope with coming off their antidepressants?

 

 

Also I was wondering, does anyone have any experience with taking high doses of Niacin/Vitamin C or any other vitamins (as recommended by Andrew Saul .Phd) in coping with depression or tapering anti-depressants?

 

 

1998-2003   Highest legal dose of Prozac

2003:2008   Zyprexa, Flupenthyxol, Seroquel, Lovan, Cymbalta (60mg)

2010-2014   Cymbalta (60mg) Solian/Amisulpride (400-800mg)

2014-2015   Cymbalta (60mg) Solian/Amisulpride (400mg)

 

History of withdrawals: Over the years I have gone days without all of my medication [in the first years of medication ('98-2005) therefore causing suicidal thoughts. 

 

Throughout my history above, I have had constant and recently intermittent thoughts of suicide ie 'Suicidal Ideation'.

 

For 18 years I have constantly and countlessly made attempts at going cold turkey and missing 2-7days without medication.
 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/user/3420-altruist/

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I go to Mensah Medical near Chicago which works off the research of William Walsh, who has been associated with "those guys." Currently, they believe high-dose niacin effectively treats overmethylation which is one possible cause of schizophrenia and depression. I take vitamin C 1 gram twice a day, among several other things. The protocol has helped me immensely, but I personally think one needs professional help to figure out what is individually needed and to monitor everything. You can get more info at The Walsh Research Institute (including list of doctors Dr. Walsh has trained) and Memsah Medical websites. JanCarol on this forum is also pursuing this, it's known as orthomolecular medicine, and has been renounced by the American Psychiatric Association (umm, I see this as a plus).

1st round Prozac 1989/90, clear depression symptoms. 2nd round Prozac started 1999 when admitted to dr. I was tired. Prozac pooped out, switch to Cymbalta 3/2006. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder due to mania 6/2006--then I was taken abruptly off Cymbalta and didn't know I had SSRI withdrawal. Lots of meds for my intractable "bipolar" symptoms.

Zyprexa started about 9/06, mostly 5mg. Tapered 4/12 through12/29/12

Wellbutrin. XL 300 mg started 1/07, tapered 1/18/13 through 7/8/13

Oxazepam mostly continuously since 6/06, 30mg since 12/12, tapered 1.17.14 through 8.26.15

11/06 Lithium 600mg twice daily, 2.2.14 400mg TID DIY liquid, 2.12.14 1150mg, 3.2.14 1100mg, 3.18.14 1075mg, 4/14 updose to 1100mg, 6.1.14 900 mg capsules 7.8.14 810mg, 8.17.14 725mg, 8.24.24 700mg...10.22.14 487.5mg, 3.9.15 475mg, 4.1.15 462.5mg 4.21.15 450mg 8.11.15 375mg, 11.28.15 362.5mg, back to 375mg four days later, 3.4.16 updose to 475 (too much going on to risk trouble)

9/4/13 Toprol-XL 25mg daily for sudden hypertension, tapered 11.12.13 through 5.3.14, last 10 days or so switched to atenolol

7.4.14 Started Walsh Protocol

56 years old

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Thanks meimeiquest.... Psychiatrists dont like it?  Must be good,  so, so true...... will follow this up.

 

When I was 15 I went thru severe depression, it cleared itself up after 8 months..................  wish I had never gone on these poisons years later.......................I now believe depression is just part of life, time to re-evaluate, change, move on.............

 

On drugs we do none of this, we just become drug addicted.

1992 Dothiepin 375mg 8 weeks, exhaustion/depression.  Serotonin syndrome, oh yes!  seizures . Fell pregnant, 3rd baby, Nitrous Oxide, 3 weeks mental hospital pp psychosis. zoloft tegretol.

Feb 1996 ct tegretol, tapered Zoloft 8 weeks. as (unexpectedly)  pregnant. Steven died after 3 days.(Zolft HLHS baby).  98 had run in with Paxil, 2 tablets, 3 weeks taper, survived.
2005..menopause? exhausted again. Zyprexa, mad in three days, fallout....  Seroquel, Effexor, tegretol,   and 8 years of self destruction. Failed taper.
Damn 1/4 valium... nuts again! .fallout, zoloft 100mg  seroquol 400mg mirtazapine 45 mg  tegretol 400mg.  Mid 14 3 month taper. Nov 14 CRASH.
Mid 15 ....   75mg  seroquel,  3 x 1800mg SJW  2 week window end of December followed by 6 week wave
5/2 68mg seroquel, 2.5 x 1800mg SJW::::20/2 61mg seroquel, 2.5 x  SJW::: 26/2 54mg seroquel, 2 x SJW::::21/3 43mg seroquel, 1 x 2700SJW :::: 23/4 36mg seroquel 1 x 1800 SJW
15/5 33mg seroquel, 1 x SJW::::   28/5 30mg seroquel, 1 x SJW::::;  18/6 25mg seroquel 1/2 SJW::::, 11/7 21mg seroquel 1/2 SJW::, 26/7 18mg seroquel 1/2 SJW:::, 9/8 12mg seroquel :::, 16/8 6mg seroquel ;;;;, 12/9 0 jump.

23/9  3mg.....,  27/9 0mg.  Reinstated, 6mg, then 12mg.............  LIGHTBULB MOMENT,  I have  MTHFR 2x mutations.  CFS and issues with MOULD in my home. So I left home, and working 150km away during week, loving it.

Oh was hard, panic attacks first week, gone now, along with the mould issues.

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I go to Mensah Medical near Chicago which works off the research of William Walsh, who has been associated with "those guys." Currently, they believe high-dose niacin effectively treats overmethylation which is one possible cause of schizophrenia and depression. I take vitamin C 1 gram twice a day, among several other things. The protocol has helped me immensely, but I personally think one needs professional help to figure out what is individually needed and to monitor everything. You can get more info at The Walsh Research Institute (including list of doctors Dr. Walsh has trained) and Memsah Medical websites. JanCarol on this forum is also pursuing this, it's known as orthomolecular medicine, and has been renounced by the American Psychiatric Association (umm, I see this as a plus).

Hello

 

I went to Pfeiffer Treatment right after Walsh left it. I still take the prescription nutrient formula (which is basically like a multi minus some things plus some things and in different amounts). I feel as tho it helps me and i was very low in zinc when i went there and even had the white spots on finger nails.

 

Over time i have reduced the dosages and have focused a lot on gut health/digestion, diet, etc. In my view if we are deficient in nutrients then its likely gut related so i really focus on easily digestable foods like soups and slow cooked meats.

 

I think these Orthomolecular clinics can play an important role in helping us overcome or manage various health issues but it has to be in combo with improving gut health, other aspects of nutrition (bc i think that they single out a few nutrients only and so there are tons of other important ones), psychotherapy, stress managment, etc. All in all, I think Walsh has been a great help and would like to read his new book.

Various SSRIs/SNRIs 7- 1/2 years

Went Cold Turkey from Celexa 2011, Stayed Off

Psych Drug Free and Loving Life (over 6 years and counting)

 

How I Stay Well: Diet, exercise, meditation, supplements, etc

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As far as niacin, i take that several times a week before i enter the dry sauna and i can honestly say it makes me feel great.

Various SSRIs/SNRIs 7- 1/2 years

Went Cold Turkey from Celexa 2011, Stayed Off

Psych Drug Free and Loving Life (over 6 years and counting)

 

How I Stay Well: Diet, exercise, meditation, supplements, etc

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Hi Zepplin, Very interesting. I have some questions but I am going to pose them in the Mensah section. Mercola talks about niacin/exercise/sauna as the best way to get toxins out in one of his posts. I don't take niacin regularly, but sometimes I get a chemical taste in my mouth and a bit of nausea and 50mg of niacin takes it away. I had about an hour last winter where I really thought I might end up hospitalized for anxiety, read a very timely post by Alto on methylation (from Kelly Brogan) which mentioned niacin for overmethylation, and it brought my anxiety down within 45 minutes. My urine smelled awful, like someone on antibiotics. I don't have a methylation problem, I think it was from toxic inflammation. I was taking upwards to 700mg a day for awhile.

1st round Prozac 1989/90, clear depression symptoms. 2nd round Prozac started 1999 when admitted to dr. I was tired. Prozac pooped out, switch to Cymbalta 3/2006. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder due to mania 6/2006--then I was taken abruptly off Cymbalta and didn't know I had SSRI withdrawal. Lots of meds for my intractable "bipolar" symptoms.

Zyprexa started about 9/06, mostly 5mg. Tapered 4/12 through12/29/12

Wellbutrin. XL 300 mg started 1/07, tapered 1/18/13 through 7/8/13

Oxazepam mostly continuously since 6/06, 30mg since 12/12, tapered 1.17.14 through 8.26.15

11/06 Lithium 600mg twice daily, 2.2.14 400mg TID DIY liquid, 2.12.14 1150mg, 3.2.14 1100mg, 3.18.14 1075mg, 4/14 updose to 1100mg, 6.1.14 900 mg capsules 7.8.14 810mg, 8.17.14 725mg, 8.24.24 700mg...10.22.14 487.5mg, 3.9.15 475mg, 4.1.15 462.5mg 4.21.15 450mg 8.11.15 375mg, 11.28.15 362.5mg, back to 375mg four days later, 3.4.16 updose to 475 (too much going on to risk trouble)

9/4/13 Toprol-XL 25mg daily for sudden hypertension, tapered 11.12.13 through 5.3.14, last 10 days or so switched to atenolol

7.4.14 Started Walsh Protocol

56 years old

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Have you been back to the clinic and is their protocol still helping with withdrawal?

I'm on 1800 mg of gabapentin 3x600, .325 Klonopin(.25 in am, .125 afternoon), in the evening I take cymbalta 30mg down from 60mg, remeron 30mg and lamictal 100 mg. Nausea and anxiety are my worst symptoms. C

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For financial reasons, I have delayed going back until next month. I will post on the Mensah thread then. I don't think it helps much with withdrawal, more with underlying problems. But my baseline is so so so much higher than before I went. But I still struggle with fatigue and symptoms that are typically associated with inattentive-ADHD. I am very anxiety/stress sensitive, which may be a tapering symptom or damage that is going to persist for a lifetime after the Cymbalta CT. I live optimistically that I will get better, but I am trying to build resiliency and coping skills as if I won't.

 

These treatments are trying to epigenetically manage genetic problems. A much simpler, cheaper look at that is The Wahls Protocol. If I was starting over, I would try that first.

 

I was at a seminar not too long ago on the gut microbiome. They said it is the most important scientific discovery of the past one hundred years. And many things in the western lifestyle are a direct assault on it. Gut health is a huge part of brain health. I would really encourage you to look into that area as well.

1st round Prozac 1989/90, clear depression symptoms. 2nd round Prozac started 1999 when admitted to dr. I was tired. Prozac pooped out, switch to Cymbalta 3/2006. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder due to mania 6/2006--then I was taken abruptly off Cymbalta and didn't know I had SSRI withdrawal. Lots of meds for my intractable "bipolar" symptoms.

Zyprexa started about 9/06, mostly 5mg. Tapered 4/12 through12/29/12

Wellbutrin. XL 300 mg started 1/07, tapered 1/18/13 through 7/8/13

Oxazepam mostly continuously since 6/06, 30mg since 12/12, tapered 1.17.14 through 8.26.15

11/06 Lithium 600mg twice daily, 2.2.14 400mg TID DIY liquid, 2.12.14 1150mg, 3.2.14 1100mg, 3.18.14 1075mg, 4/14 updose to 1100mg, 6.1.14 900 mg capsules 7.8.14 810mg, 8.17.14 725mg, 8.24.24 700mg...10.22.14 487.5mg, 3.9.15 475mg, 4.1.15 462.5mg 4.21.15 450mg 8.11.15 375mg, 11.28.15 362.5mg, back to 375mg four days later, 3.4.16 updose to 475 (too much going on to risk trouble)

9/4/13 Toprol-XL 25mg daily for sudden hypertension, tapered 11.12.13 through 5.3.14, last 10 days or so switched to atenolol

7.4.14 Started Walsh Protocol

56 years old

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Abilify and Trazadone (Dropped from 15  mg to 3.75 mg, 50-200 mg, respectively for 10 years prior), Ambien, Lunesta, Sonata, etc (sleep meds, et. al.)

Celexa, Prozac, Zoloft,  Paxil,( and other anti-depressants interspersed though out this)

Zyprexa (5-10 mg, for 10 years prior to that)

Navane  (5-10  mg, for 6 years)

Halidol, Cogentin, Ativan  (5 then 10 mgs) (9 months total at least)

Stelizine, Thorizine (3 days)

Total about 29 years

(Many more I'm sure I don't recall, of course, all doped up, now hopefully 'reovering')

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