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Hi,

 

I watched a documentary a few years ago called 'Food Matters' that talked about taking vitamins for nutrition (http://documentarylovers.com/film/food-matters/). Not only did it talk about Nutrition, but it talked about the work of Abram Hoffer (who I think might or might not have been a Nobel prize winner) and his work with Niacin, also known as Vitamin B3.

 

In this documentary and other Google+ webinars Andrew Saul talks about using high doses of Niacin for dealing with depression and schizophrenia amongst many other conditions.

 

The documentary also mentions that Abram Hoffer lived to his 90's and that he claimed it to be because of his 40years on Niacin.

 

In another Webinar by Andrew Saul on Youtube called '6 Proven Ways to Improve Your Health',

he says that high doses of Vitamin C (in the 10's of thousands of milligrams -[way beyond the dose recommended by the RDA]) was a good treatment for treating various different diseases like Polio, Pneumonia, Cardiovascular disease, Dyptheria, Cancer etc etc.


 

Andrew Saul also has a website that he claims is peer reviewed called: http://www.doctoryourself.com/. On the sites page for depression it says that

'Depression is the most frequently searched-for topic at DoctorYourself.com'  (http://www.doctoryourself.com/depression.html).

 

So this got me thinking and wanting to ask the question here, has anyone on this website Surviving Antidepressants tried to use Andrew Sauls websites, books or videos to attempt to deal with depression/anxiety/schizophrenia or to cope with coming off their antidepressants?

 

 

Also I was wondering, does anyone have any experience with taking high doses of Niacin/Vitamin C or any other vitamins (as recommended by Andrew Saul .Phd) in coping with depression or tapering anti-depressants?

 

 

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Meimeiquest

I go to Mensah Medical near Chicago which works off the research of William Walsh, who has been associated with "those guys." Currently, they believe high-dose niacin effectively treats overmethylation which is one possible cause of schizophrenia and depression. I take vitamin C 1 gram twice a day, among several other things. The protocol has helped me immensely, but I personally think one needs professional help to figure out what is individually needed and to monitor everything. You can get more info at The Walsh Research Institute (including list of doctors Dr. Walsh has trained) and Memsah Medical websites. JanCarol on this forum is also pursuing this, it's known as orthomolecular medicine, and has been renounced by the American Psychiatric Association (umm, I see this as a plus).

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ang

Thanks meimeiquest.... Psychiatrists dont like it?  Must be good,  so, so true...... will follow this up.

 

When I was 15 I went thru severe depression, it cleared itself up after 8 months..................  wish I had never gone on these poisons years later.......................I now believe depression is just part of life, time to re-evaluate, change, move on.............

 

On drugs we do none of this, we just become drug addicted.

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bruno2016

I go to Mensah Medical near Chicago which works off the research of William Walsh, who has been associated with "those guys." Currently, they believe high-dose niacin effectively treats overmethylation which is one possible cause of schizophrenia and depression. I take vitamin C 1 gram twice a day, among several other things. The protocol has helped me immensely, but I personally think one needs professional help to figure out what is individually needed and to monitor everything. You can get more info at The Walsh Research Institute (including list of doctors Dr. Walsh has trained) and Memsah Medical websites. JanCarol on this forum is also pursuing this, it's known as orthomolecular medicine, and has been renounced by the American Psychiatric Association (umm, I see this as a plus).

Hello

 

I went to Pfeiffer Treatment right after Walsh left it. I still take the prescription nutrient formula (which is basically like a multi minus some things plus some things and in different amounts). I feel as tho it helps me and i was very low in zinc when i went there and even had the white spots on finger nails.

 

Over time i have reduced the dosages and have focused a lot on gut health/digestion, diet, etc. In my view if we are deficient in nutrients then its likely gut related so i really focus on easily digestable foods like soups and slow cooked meats.

 

I think these Orthomolecular clinics can play an important role in helping us overcome or manage various health issues but it has to be in combo with improving gut health, other aspects of nutrition (bc i think that they single out a few nutrients only and so there are tons of other important ones), psychotherapy, stress managment, etc. All in all, I think Walsh has been a great help and would like to read his new book.

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bruno2016

As far as niacin, i take that several times a week before i enter the dry sauna and i can honestly say it makes me feel great.

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Meimeiquest

Hi Zepplin, Very interesting. I have some questions but I am going to pose them in the Mensah section. Mercola talks about niacin/exercise/sauna as the best way to get toxins out in one of his posts. I don't take niacin regularly, but sometimes I get a chemical taste in my mouth and a bit of nausea and 50mg of niacin takes it away. I had about an hour last winter where I really thought I might end up hospitalized for anxiety, read a very timely post by Alto on methylation (from Kelly Brogan) which mentioned niacin for overmethylation, and it brought my anxiety down within 45 minutes. My urine smelled awful, like someone on antibiotics. I don't have a methylation problem, I think it was from toxic inflammation. I was taking upwards to 700mg a day for awhile.

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toomanymeds

Have you been back to the clinic and is their protocol still helping with withdrawal?

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Meimeiquest

For financial reasons, I have delayed going back until next month. I will post on the Mensah thread then. I don't think it helps much with withdrawal, more with underlying problems. But my baseline is so so so much higher than before I went. But I still struggle with fatigue and symptoms that are typically associated with inattentive-ADHD. I am very anxiety/stress sensitive, which may be a tapering symptom or damage that is going to persist for a lifetime after the Cymbalta CT. I live optimistically that I will get better, but I am trying to build resiliency and coping skills as if I won't.

 

These treatments are trying to epigenetically manage genetic problems. A much simpler, cheaper look at that is The Wahls Protocol. If I was starting over, I would try that first.

 

I was at a seminar not too long ago on the gut microbiome. They said it is the most important scientific discovery of the past one hundred years. And many things in the western lifestyle are a direct assault on it. Gut health is a huge part of brain health. I would really encourage you to look into that area as well.

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