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Hello everyone. I'm Greg and have been a Paxil user since December of 1997. My "Paxil" taper was making "progress" on another forum that was shut down, and of course I won't mention the name of that forum. Anyway, I started having panic attacks back in '94 and was prescribed Prozac initially, which only drove my panic and anxiety through the roof. I was then given Xanax to counteract the anxiety. I finally CT'd the Prozac after several months after telling my pdoc that I thought it was making me worse. I then went on a TCA, Imipramine, for a year or so. It maybe helped a bit but gave me headaches and severe constipation. I discontinued it too and then just got by on occasional Xanax. In December of 1997, having run out of Xanax and having severe panic and anxiety again I sought out another pdoc who put me on 30mg Paxil. This did the trick and my panic attacks subsided but would still flare up on occasion. I was down to needing a Xanax maybe a few times a year and even went several years without any. My depression improved too, however I still had depressive episodes that would last for several days on occasion. I also gained over 125 pounds during my 18 years of use.

 

Then in February of 2013 my anxiety and panic seemed to come out of nowhere and took over my entire sense of self. I called of off work for a week and was terrified as I went in and out of deep depersonalization. My pdoc then raised my Paxil to 40mg and of course I started hitting the Xanax heavily. Wellbutrin was added to the mix. This raised my mood a bit but it also raised the anxiety. I even went to the ER one afternoon when my BP went over 200. The Wellbutrin was stopped after a month or so. I then lived from Xanax to Xanax for several months. After discovering a website that dedicated itself to making progress for Paxil users I realized that the updose may not have helped me. Thanks to Brassmonkey Tom, I had the courage to reduce my Paxil dose. Between November and May, I worked my way down from 40mg to below my 30mg long-term dose. I also weaned myself from the 1mg of daily Xanax I was taking. Finally this past summer the constant anxiety let its grasp go and I am starting to feel like myself again.

 

I'm currently down to 25.5mg on my Paxil. I'm taking my taper nice and slow and generally reduce around 1.5% every 3 weeks. I still get some waves of anxiety but I'm still able to function. I've also been seeing a counselor since February of 2013, which has helped immensely. I've learned several tricks to combat anxiety and panic as well as address issues in my life that cause it. My goal isn't necessarily to get off of Paxil, but I'd like to greatly reduce my dose and then take it from there.

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First panic attack 2/94. On Prozac for 6 months with no relief. Then switched to imipramine for 6 months. Started on 30mg Paxil in 12/97 for panic attacks and anxiety. Worked fine until 2/13. Dose increased to 40mg and anxiety and panic got worse. Started tapering from 40mg in 11/13. Currently at 10.9mg and feeling better. Intermittent Xanax use throughout.

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Hi Greg-- it's wonderful to hear that you're doing so well.  It's been quite the year hasn't it.  This next one should show a lot more gains, keep up the good work.

20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013.

Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks.  The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better.

Final Dose 0.016mg.     Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017

 

"It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general."  Stephen Hawking

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Good to see you here, Greg!  Sounds like you are doing great with your nice slow taper.

2001–2002 paroxetine

2003  citalopram

2004-2008  paroxetine (various failed tapers) 
2008  paroxetine slow taper down to

2016  Aug off paroxetine
2016  citalopram May 20mg  Oct 15mg … slow taper down
2018  citalopram 13 Feb 4.6mg 15 Mar 4.4mg 29 Apr 4.2mg 6 Jul 4.1mg 17 Aug 4.0mg  18 Nov 3.8mg
2019  15 Mar 3.6mg  21 May 3.4mg  26 Dec 3.2mg 

2020  19 Feb 3.0mg 19 Jul 2.9mg 16 Sep 2.8mg 25 Oct 2.7mg 23 Oct 2.6mg 24 Dec 2.5mg

2021   29 Aug 2.4mg   15 Nov 2.3mg

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Hi Greg, welcome to SA. It's ok you can mention PP here, no-one minds and the pp refugees  seem

to be settling quite well here.   :) . Well done for getting off the xanax, I.m glad that you are feeling 

more like yourself now.  Could you put your drug and tapering history in your signature for us? You 

will find a link in my signature that tells you how to do that. 

**I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge.

 

 

Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem)

1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat

2002  effexor. 

Tapered  March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads.

Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013

Restarted taper  Nov 2013  

OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015    :D 

Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014

 

Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg  

 July 2017 30mg.  May 15 2018 25mg

Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. 

 

My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33

 

Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible

 

 

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Heya Greg! Very happy you're here :)

Put on Prothiaden for severe depression in 1989.  Recovered.   Prescribed Paxil for another bout of depression around 2000.   Have been trying to taper ever since but always crash about 2 months after getting to zero.   Because of the crashes, for years I thought that there was something wrong with me.   Then found that the crashes were simply withdrawal.   Now following a maximum of a 10% reduction every month or so and ready to slow down any time I feel any symptoms whatsoever.  Feeling good:).

7th Jan 15 - 3.6mg

28th Jan 15 - 3.2mg

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Thanks for the welcome everyone. I'm doing pretty good but have some anxiety associated with some major life changes. I'm in the process of changing jobs, selling my house, and moving to another state. It's causing me some sleep issues and is challenging, but I think my life will be better in the long run. I've managed to get by without using any Xanax, although I have been taking partial Lunestas to help with sleep.

 

I've been on 25.65mg Paxil for 25 days now and am doing a small drop starting this evening down to 25.32mg.

First panic attack 2/94. On Prozac for 6 months with no relief. Then switched to imipramine for 6 months. Started on 30mg Paxil in 12/97 for panic attacks and anxiety. Worked fine until 2/13. Dose increased to 40mg and anxiety and panic got worse. Started tapering from 40mg in 11/13. Currently at 10.9mg and feeling better. Intermittent Xanax use throughout.

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Three of lifes top stressors at once on top of WD?  What are you thinking? LOL  Seriously, I hope it all goes well, sometimes a good shakeup is what is needed to really get things going.  Sounds like you have a good handle on it though.

20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013.

Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks.  The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better.

Final Dose 0.016mg.     Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017

 

"It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general."  Stephen Hawking

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Kudos for doing a smart slow taper.

 

When you get the chance, please enter a sig line, as MammaP explains above.

Started on Prozac and Xanax in 1992 for PTSD after an assault. One drug led to more, the usual story. Got sicker and sicker, but believed I needed the drugs for my "underlying disease". Long story...lost everything. Life savings, home, physical and mental health, relationships, friendships, ability to work, everything. Amitryptiline, Prozac, bupropion, buspirone, flurazepam, diazepam, alprazolam, Paxil, citalopram, lamotrigine, gabapentin...probably more I've forgotten. 

Started multidrug taper in Feb 2010.  Doing a very slow microtaper, down to low doses now and feeling SO much better, getting my old personality and my brain back! Able to work full time, have a full social life, and cope with stress better than ever. Not perfect, but much better. After 23 lost years. Big Pharma has a lot to answer for. And "medicine for profit" is just not a great idea.

 

Feb 15 2010:  300 mg Neurontin  200 Lamictal   10 Celexa      0.65 Xanax   and 5 mg Ambien 

Feb 10 2014:   62 Lamictal    1.1 Celexa         0.135 Xanax    1.8 Valium

Feb 10 2015:   50 Lamictal      0.875 Celexa    0.11 Xanax      1.5 Valium

Feb 15 2016:   47.5 Lamictal   0.75 Celexa      0.0875 Xanax    1.42 Valium    

2/12/20             12                       0.045               0.007                   1 

May 2021            7                       0.01                  0.0037                   1

 

I'm not a doctor. Any advice I give is just my civilian opinion.

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Hi Greg,

 

It's me, I made it off the sinking ship and no longer blame myself, yay me, sorry PP.

 

You sure are doing a long slow taper and I reckon that's the way to go, except I get impatient asnd try to rush things always to my detriment. You're doing it the right way and I'm trying to follow suit, because as I sink into the lower dosages the impact is greater with each drop, so am trying to slow it down.

 

Anyrate just wanted to make contact and say hi as a fellow refugee and traveller. We've had a fewgood laughs along the way. Je Suis Charlie.

Prescribed 30mg Mirtazapine approximately 10 years ago.  PTSD 

 

C/T 50% of dose - dreadful, hellish

Begin to reduce by 10% every 3-6 weeks

now:

5.11.14 4.50mg - going to wait a bit longer

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Three of lifes top stressors at once on top of WD?  What are you thinking? LOL  Seriously, I hope it all goes well, sometimes a good shakeup is what is needed to really get things going.  Sounds like you have a good handle on it though.

 

I hear you on that, Tom! I guess it goes under the category of not letting fear control me. This is all part of the relationship issue that I talked about on my PP journal. So you can add ending a longterm relationship to the list too! I know it's said not to change relationships during withdrawal, but in working with my counselor I found that not being completely happy in my relationship was a major source of my anxiety.

First panic attack 2/94. On Prozac for 6 months with no relief. Then switched to imipramine for 6 months. Started on 30mg Paxil in 12/97 for panic attacks and anxiety. Worked fine until 2/13. Dose increased to 40mg and anxiety and panic got worse. Started tapering from 40mg in 11/13. Currently at 10.9mg and feeling better. Intermittent Xanax use throughout.

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Hello, gang! It's been a looooooooong time since I've posted. I see many of the same faces here. Hope you all are doing well. Just wanted to let everyone know that I'm still on the sunny side of the grass and hanging in there. I've been tapering very slowly and am down to the low 17 mg range right now. Interestingly, at higher doses anxiety used to be my problem. Now the anxiety is pretty much gone, although I get a touch here and there. Nowadays I get bad depression for a half a day or a day maybe. This is every week or so. It's usually triggered by something that the wife says or something at work and then I over react. I suppose a lot of it is learning to deal with things on my own, instead of letting Paxil mask them.

First panic attack 2/94. On Prozac for 6 months with no relief. Then switched to imipramine for 6 months. Started on 30mg Paxil in 12/97 for panic attacks and anxiety. Worked fine until 2/13. Dose increased to 40mg and anxiety and panic got worse. Started tapering from 40mg in 11/13. Currently at 10.9mg and feeling better. Intermittent Xanax use throughout.

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Hi Greg, thanks for popping in and giving us an update. I am pleased to see that you are still doing well and that your slow taper is working for you.

You are doing great and we look forward to your  eventual success story  :) .

**I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge.

 

 

Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem)

1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat

2002  effexor. 

Tapered  March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads.

Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013

Restarted taper  Nov 2013  

OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015    :D 

Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014

 

Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg  

 July 2017 30mg.  May 15 2018 25mg

Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. 

 

My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33

 

Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible

 

 

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I'm currently down to 15.02 now. I had a miserable night last night and a miserable day full of crying and suicidal thoughts (thoughts only, not plans!). Hopefully this will pass. 

 

One of the reasons I want to get off the Paxil is so that I will hopefully be able to lose weight. I'm well over 300 pounds and getting older so it has become a health concern. So far the weight hasn't budged as I've tapered. From what I've read, I need to be completely off or way below 10mg to make a difference. Time will tell.

First panic attack 2/94. On Prozac for 6 months with no relief. Then switched to imipramine for 6 months. Started on 30mg Paxil in 12/97 for panic attacks and anxiety. Worked fine until 2/13. Dose increased to 40mg and anxiety and panic got worse. Started tapering from 40mg in 11/13. Currently at 10.9mg and feeling better. Intermittent Xanax use throughout.

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Hi Greg,

 

Thank you for dropping in to update.

 

It would be really helpful if you could Please put your Withdrawal History in Signature and update as you make changes.  This way it can be seen at a glance whenever you post so people don't have to read back through your Intro/Update topic.  Thank you.

 MISSION ACCOMPLISHED:    13 November 2021 -  0mg Pristiq      

Woohoo!!!  Finally off Pristiq   

ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021   LAST DOSE 0.0025mg

My full tapering program     My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)    My website

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.  I do not provide tapering advice via PM.  Please post questions in your Introduction topic.  Please do not tag me for any reason.  I am an unpaid volunteer and assist members if I am able to and when I have the time.  Thank you for your understanding.

Mid Nov 2021 changed to low carb diet due to diabetes & cholesterol.  Lost 1/16 body weight, BP has reduced a lot. 

Links to my exercises and weights.  I also do 3 x 5.5 min with HIIT on exercise bike with 20 secs/min as fast as I can cycle.

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Thought I would check in and say that I'm still around. My dose is down to 10.something mg now and I'm doing pretty good. I have short bouts of depression that last a day or two. They are almost always associated with a life event trigger (job security, family loss, family disagreement, etc). I'm learning to not react so emotionally to these situations, but that takes time to learn and I have years of emotional bad habits to undo. A month or so ago I was having those preliminary feelings that I was about to go off the deep end again. I've had two complete meltdowns in the past (2/94 and 2/13) where I was unable to do anything but lay on the couch for a week in a ball of anxiety. I was worried that those strange feelings were creeping back. Fortunately, those feelings diminished and passed. Must've been a wave. I have to remind myself from time to time that I am still withdrawing from a very powerful psychotropic medication and am doing quite well all things considered. 

 

Hope you all are doing well too.

First panic attack 2/94. On Prozac for 6 months with no relief. Then switched to imipramine for 6 months. Started on 30mg Paxil in 12/97 for panic attacks and anxiety. Worked fine until 2/13. Dose increased to 40mg and anxiety and panic got worse. Started tapering from 40mg in 11/13. Currently at 10.9mg and feeling better. Intermittent Xanax use throughout.

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Excellent update Greg.  It sounds like things are going quite well.  There will be "hick ups" along the way.  The periodic meltdowns are such a pain in the ..... but are rather necessary.  I always felt better a few days later as I would have raised the WDnormal level with the meltdown.  The 10.something range is a great place to be.  Three quarters of the way there, wow.  I did an extended hold at 10mg just to give everything time to settle in before continuing, might be an idea, just to "catch your breath".

20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013.

Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks.  The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better.

Final Dose 0.016mg.     Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017

 

"It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general."  Stephen Hawking

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I was in the process of seeing if I have enough paroxetine stockpiled or if I have to go back to the doc for another scrip. It looks like I have enough. I've been kind of making up my drops as I go. Generally I'm doing around 5 mg pill weight every 2-4 weeks. I change it up a bit depending on life stuff, like vacations or work-related travel. I also don't drop if I'm having a depressive episode. My spreadsheet calculates the slope of the reduction curve and I use that to make sure I'm not getting too out of line. I realize that I have to be more careful when I get down to the lower doses. 

 

The reason I stopped by here was to see where the recommended jumping off dose is. Looks like somewhere around the 1mg range. 

First panic attack 2/94. On Prozac for 6 months with no relief. Then switched to imipramine for 6 months. Started on 30mg Paxil in 12/97 for panic attacks and anxiety. Worked fine until 2/13. Dose increased to 40mg and anxiety and panic got worse. Started tapering from 40mg in 11/13. Currently at 10.9mg and feeling better. Intermittent Xanax use throughout.

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That used to be the thinking Greg, but over the past several years it has become very apparent that 1mg is way too high. We've had a number of people jump at that range and end up having a rough time and have to reinstate and taper further.  The current thinking is about 0.15mg, which is a lot smaller. I currently am at 0.16mg and still having second thoughts about taking the plunge.  I know it will add a lot of time to the taper, but it is a lot better to go slowly than have symptoms blindside you in a couple of months, suffer through a reinstatement/stabilization and retaper.

20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013.

Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks.  The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better.

Final Dose 0.016mg.     Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017

 

"It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general."  Stephen Hawking

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 MISSION ACCOMPLISHED:    13 November 2021 -  0mg Pristiq      

Woohoo!!!  Finally off Pristiq   

ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021   LAST DOSE 0.0025mg

My full tapering program     My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)    My website

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.  I do not provide tapering advice via PM.  Please post questions in your Introduction topic.  Please do not tag me for any reason.  I am an unpaid volunteer and assist members if I am able to and when I have the time.  Thank you for your understanding.

Mid Nov 2021 changed to low carb diet due to diabetes & cholesterol.  Lost 1/16 body weight, BP has reduced a lot. 

Links to my exercises and weights.  I also do 3 x 5.5 min with HIIT on exercise bike with 20 secs/min as fast as I can cycle.

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I'm down to 9.26 and hit with a bit of a wave I guess. I've had a knot in my stomach for several months and bowels are kind of all over the place. I finally gave in and went to the doctor. He has scheduled me for a colonoscopy since "change in bowel habits" is a warning sign for colon cancer. So of course now my bowels are feeling even worse!  I got some relief today when I called the insurance company and found out the test is 100% covered as opposed to the 3 grand I was expecting to pay out of pocket. I thnk the fact that it got worse when he told me to go get checked points to it being anxiety related. I've always had a hair-trigger response in my gut anytime I get bad news or other stress. I seem to remember back in my paxilprogress days that a lot of people came on complaining about irritable bowel syndrome when tapering. The doctor gave me a fresh fill of Paxil so now I have way more than enough to finish my taper. With this in mind I'm going to hang out at this dose for a few months and see if things settle out.

 

The doctor also gave me a new scrip for high blood pressure called linisiprol (sp?). That could possibly be driving some of this. I must say it knocked my BP back into the same zone though.

 

Brassmonkey- if you read this, congrats on hitting ZERO! 

First panic attack 2/94. On Prozac for 6 months with no relief. Then switched to imipramine for 6 months. Started on 30mg Paxil in 12/97 for panic attacks and anxiety. Worked fine until 2/13. Dose increased to 40mg and anxiety and panic got worse. Started tapering from 40mg in 11/13. Currently at 10.9mg and feeling better. Intermittent Xanax use throughout.

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Thanks Greg.

 

It really sounds like the "IBS" is an anxiety issue.  I remember a lot of people back at PriorPlace having gut issues from tapering.  It should clear up with time.  Getting to 9.26 is great, you're making wonderful progress.

20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013.

Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks.  The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better.

Final Dose 0.016mg.     Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017

 

"It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general."  Stephen Hawking

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Greg: 
 Don't worry about cancer. Get the colonoscopy if it makes you feel better, but it's likely anxiety and taper-related as brass said. The nervous and digestive system are very closely related.  So, whenever we are anxious, things sort of "speed up" if you know what I mean, and so we have stomach issues.  I know from first-hand experience.  Once your nervous system calms down, it's highly likely that this symptom your are describing will too.
Best wishes,

M.

200 Zoloft; 10 mg Zyprexa; 4 mg valium as of May 2021;  Valium taper: July 16: 3.5 valium; July 30: 3 mg (paused valium taper); Aug. 23: 2.5 mg
Zyprexa: July 26: 8.75 mg; Aug. 9: 7.5 mg; Aug. 30: 7.1 mg

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Dec 1, 2016. 10 mg zyprexa for 1.5 month. Started taper mid-Jan. 2017. Cut 1.25 mg every 2 weeks; smaller cuts 2.5 mg down. Stopped at .6 mg. May 7, 2017: zyprexa free. 
Zoloft: Dec1, 2016, 200 mg. Started taper: Jun12, 2017: 197.5 mg; Jun19,:195 mg; July 2:185mg; July 9,:180 mg; July16,: 175; July 23: 170; July 30: 165; Aug6: 160; Aug13: 155; Aug. 20: 150; Aug.27: 146 mg; Sept3: 145 mg; Sept10:143 mg; Sept17:140 mg....Nov5: 122 mg...Dec3:112.5 mg; Jan14, 2018: 95 mg...Jan28: 90 mg; Feb21:80 mg; Mar11: 75 mg; May2:70 mg; May15: 68 mg; May28: 65 mg; Jun9: 62 mg;Jun25: 60 mg:July22: 55 mg; Aug25: 45 mg. Aug28: 50 mg...Oct 28: 38 mg; Dec.4: 30 mg; Jan8,2019: 25mg; Feb6: 23.5 mg; Apr1:17.5mg; May1:1 mg; May 5: 18;  May 18:15mg; June 16:12.5mg; Sept 10:11 mg; Sept.16:10 mg; Oct. 1: 9mg; Nov. 27: 8mg; Dec.5: 7mg; Jan.1,2020, 6 mg; Feb1: 5 mg; May 1: 2.5 mg; Jn 1: 2 mg; Jy 1: 1.5 mg

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I've held the same dose for about a month now and my bowels have stabilized. My movements are pretty regular and a healthy consistency now. I have my colonoscopy in a few weeks and I'm no longer scared that they are going to find something bad. 

First panic attack 2/94. On Prozac for 6 months with no relief. Then switched to imipramine for 6 months. Started on 30mg Paxil in 12/97 for panic attacks and anxiety. Worked fine until 2/13. Dose increased to 40mg and anxiety and panic got worse. Started tapering from 40mg in 11/13. Currently at 10.9mg and feeling better. Intermittent Xanax use throughout.

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Good to read that your digestion has stabilized. Wishing you all the best for the 'scope in a few weeks.

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Hello, gang! It's been a looooooooong time since I've posted. I see many of the same faces here. Hope you all are doing well. Just wanted to let everyone know that I'm still on the sunny side of the grass and hanging in there. I've been tapering very slowly and am down to the low 17 mg range right now. Interestingly, at higher doses anxiety used to be my problem. Now the anxiety is pretty much gone, although I get a touch here and there. Nowadays I get bad depression for a half a day or a day maybe. This is every week or so. It's usually triggered by something that the wife says or something at work and then I over react. I suppose a lot of it is learning to deal with things on my own, instead of letting Paxil mask them.

Totally agreed. I also feel less anxious on the lower doses of paxil. And when it does come up I can handle it better, so it doesn’t span the whole day anymore.

I’m cautious though. Maybe I’m in a long stretched window. Anyway that’s how it goes I guess. Couple of steps forward, couple of steps backward.

 

All the best.

Took my first SSRI sipralexa/lexapro/escitalopram in 2007 for depression. In 2010 the doctor switched me to paroxetine/seroxat/paxil for anxiety.

My paroxetine story from then on:

 

2010-15 from 10mg up to 20mg

jan 2016 30mg

may 2016 0mg cold turkey (don't!)

dec 2016 symptoms: anxiety, tremor (could barely stand)

jan 2017 reinstated at 7.5mg to taper in steps of 10%

...

Dose changes from may 2017 to now: 

5.0/4.7/4.4/4.0/3.7/3.5/3.3/3.1mg

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I'm down to 7.7mg now and my anxiety is really starting to rage. I've had this dose for a few weeks and was at 7.9mg for at least 6 weeks before that. I've got a very stressful project at work and it's driving a lot of it. I've managed to not take any Xanax but I'm pretty miserable. I'm debating whether I should bump up the 10mg range where I'm getting a therapeutic dose. I'm also thinking about going back to a shrink and trying another med.

First panic attack 2/94. On Prozac for 6 months with no relief. Then switched to imipramine for 6 months. Started on 30mg Paxil in 12/97 for panic attacks and anxiety. Worked fine until 2/13. Dose increased to 40mg and anxiety and panic got worse. Started tapering from 40mg in 11/13. Currently at 10.9mg and feeling better. Intermittent Xanax use throughout.

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Hi Greg sorry things have turned rough.

Well done on not taking any Xanax. Although your drug sig is vague on how often you have been taking it for the last 4 ? years.

Do you think the anxiety could be caused by prior benzo use? You haven't said how often you are using this. Addiction could be established as quickly as two weeks use.

How did you feel at 7.9 mg , maybe a longer hold there could be the way to go? 

 

Switching is very high risk. I have seen some people end up on multiples of current dosage just to quell wdl symptoms of the prior drug setting the eta of being drug free back years.

Do you think the shrink will be able to understand you are having wdl symptoms? or maybe they will remain silent on this subject giving a whole new meaning to the word 'shrink.'

 

Wishing you stability,

I think a few mods may be on holiday at the moment. We need cc to jump behind the counter and get things moving again. 

Hang in there

nz11

 

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None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. 

This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! 

  "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped."  Dr Mosher. Me too! 

Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015

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20 hours ago, Greg70 said:

I'm down to 7.7mg now and my anxiety is really starting to rage. I've had this dose for a few weeks and was at 7.9mg for at least 6 weeks before that. I've got a very stressful project at work and it's driving a lot of it. I've managed to not take any Xanax but I'm pretty miserable. I'm debating whether I should bump up the 10mg range where I'm getting a therapeutic dose. I'm also thinking about going back to a shrink and trying another med.

 

I wouldn't updose. Waves will always be there. Are you sure it's not a wave? A stressful job doesn't help either. Try meditation or other techniques to make the best out of the anxious moments. Consider staying at 7.7mg for at least two months.

 

I'm getting more anxious on the lower doses at well. Go really slow and acquire some coping techniques!

Took my first SSRI sipralexa/lexapro/escitalopram in 2007 for depression. In 2010 the doctor switched me to paroxetine/seroxat/paxil for anxiety.

My paroxetine story from then on:

 

2010-15 from 10mg up to 20mg

jan 2016 30mg

may 2016 0mg cold turkey (don't!)

dec 2016 symptoms: anxiety, tremor (could barely stand)

jan 2017 reinstated at 7.5mg to taper in steps of 10%

...

Dose changes from may 2017 to now: 

5.0/4.7/4.4/4.0/3.7/3.5/3.3/3.1mg

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