WantoffVen Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 So are you pretending like you are on a certain dosage and just dropping slowly on your own? Good grief I'll go in there and say I tried dropping by 37.5 and didn't like it so I just want to stay on 112.5. Oh well, I am also on Diazepam so I don't wanna lose him. I'll tackle the benzo after the AD. I am 65. I may never get weaned before I die but at least I'll be at a lot lower dosage anyway lol. I see you are going super slow. That must take a lot of patience. Best of wishes to you. Early 1980s 2 mg. vallium prn; Mid-1990s Paxil and 2mg. vallium prn; Somewhere in there Buspar Early 2000s Sertaline 50 mg. and .25mg Xanax prn 2008 Sertaline 50 mg but Xanax was increased to .5mg 6 times a day 2015 Sertaline increased to 100mg. 2 mg. vallium prn and Wellburtrin (only on a few days) April 2016 Venlafaxine XR 225mg with 50 mg. Zolft and 10 mg. Vallium 3 times a day as needed Fall 2017 Venlafaxine upped to 300 mg - 5 mg. Vallium 3 times a day prn; Jan. 2018 Venlafaxine 225mg w/Vallium April 2018 weaned to 187.50mg, 150mg, 112.5 mg at 4 to 5 week intervals vallium 3 times a day prn July 2018 112.5 mg ; July 2018 started SA's 10% guideline w/ 2.5 vallium prn; lost notes dropped to 89 mg by 10/22; 89 mg 10/29; 10/6 86 mg, 10/13 83 mg; 10/20 - 11/2 updosed to 89mg; 11/3 86 mg; 11/17 80 mg. 11/24 77mg - 12/20 80mg 1/ 20 77 mg venlafaxine; 2/19 75 mg Ven still taking vallium 2.5 mg morning, after and evening Simvastatin 40mg. daily with supplements: Magnesium, Omega Fatty Oils, Vitamin D3, Turmeric, Magnesium, 25 mg. to 50 mg. diphendramine for sleep Link to comment
Cheeky Posted October 12, 2018 Author Share Posted October 12, 2018 7 hours ago, WantoffVen said: So are you pretending like you are on a certain dosage and just dropping slowly on your own? Good grief I'll go in there and say I tried dropping by 37.5 and didn't like it so I just want to stay on 112.5. Oh well, I am also on Diazepam so I don't wanna lose him. I'll tackle the benzo after the AD. I am 65. I may never get weaned before I die but at least I'll be at a lot lower dosage anyway lol. I see you are going super slow. That must take a lot of patience. Best of wishes to you. Yes I just tell the doctor I’m taking my meds and then I do my own thing . I have been going slowly in my taper as I am one of the unlucky ones who feel every drop and can only micro taper. I’m 42 years old and I don’t won’t to be on them forever, unfortunately the way I’m going I think I may never get off, I just want to at least get to the smallest dose possible and get my energy and motivation back. You must please take it slow. Sometimes you may go down in dose and feel okay then BAM it hits you and then everyone always goes back to full dose. Take care of yourself and I’m happy to support you through this. 1995 started Paxil 20mg slowly increasing to 50mg 2014 I decided to tapper myself not knowing how too and crashed , DR added 50mg of Seroquel Through the years made many mistakes tapering Started Tapering Both drugs at the same time 7.5% per month Paxil 9% Seroquel doing daily micro-taper Guided by Mark Horowitz 31/3/24 Paxil 10.31mg 31/3/24 Seroquel 9.9mg Link to comment
Cheeky Posted October 12, 2018 Author Share Posted October 12, 2018 I had a better day today, I was really busy at work and in a strange way it keep my mind focused on other things then what I’m thinking or feeling. When I finished work I got the rushes of aniexty back again , but it didn’t last too long. My mood tonight was low and my hasband wanted to have sex with me which I really didn’t want to do, but I’ve been ignoring him for 6 months and gave in to him. The sad thing is I couldn’t enjoy it and at the end I laid in my bed crying to myself for no reason. It was like a wave of emotion going through me . My husband didn’t notice it as I keep quiet but I feel so guilty . 1995 started Paxil 20mg slowly increasing to 50mg 2014 I decided to tapper myself not knowing how too and crashed , DR added 50mg of Seroquel Through the years made many mistakes tapering Started Tapering Both drugs at the same time 7.5% per month Paxil 9% Seroquel doing daily micro-taper Guided by Mark Horowitz 31/3/24 Paxil 10.31mg 31/3/24 Seroquel 9.9mg Link to comment
WantoffVen Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Well we've all had sex before when we weren't in the mood, Cheeky so just be glad you could accommodate his needs and don't feel badly because you weren't in the mood. Well all women anyway lol. My days are just the opposite I fight depression during the day and feel better in the evening. But I don't work outside the home and stay home too much which doesn't help probably. I have trouble getting going. Oh well overall I'm not doing bad. And you are doing well I think. We just want everything to be right now - sigh. I'm down to 95 mg from 225mg. I hope to God I don't go back up to 225mg. No reason to right now. Early 1980s 2 mg. vallium prn; Mid-1990s Paxil and 2mg. vallium prn; Somewhere in there Buspar Early 2000s Sertaline 50 mg. and .25mg Xanax prn 2008 Sertaline 50 mg but Xanax was increased to .5mg 6 times a day 2015 Sertaline increased to 100mg. 2 mg. vallium prn and Wellburtrin (only on a few days) April 2016 Venlafaxine XR 225mg with 50 mg. Zolft and 10 mg. Vallium 3 times a day as needed Fall 2017 Venlafaxine upped to 300 mg - 5 mg. Vallium 3 times a day prn; Jan. 2018 Venlafaxine 225mg w/Vallium April 2018 weaned to 187.50mg, 150mg, 112.5 mg at 4 to 5 week intervals vallium 3 times a day prn July 2018 112.5 mg ; July 2018 started SA's 10% guideline w/ 2.5 vallium prn; lost notes dropped to 89 mg by 10/22; 89 mg 10/29; 10/6 86 mg, 10/13 83 mg; 10/20 - 11/2 updosed to 89mg; 11/3 86 mg; 11/17 80 mg. 11/24 77mg - 12/20 80mg 1/ 20 77 mg venlafaxine; 2/19 75 mg Ven still taking vallium 2.5 mg morning, after and evening Simvastatin 40mg. daily with supplements: Magnesium, Omega Fatty Oils, Vitamin D3, Turmeric, Magnesium, 25 mg. to 50 mg. diphendramine for sleep Link to comment
Rosetta Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Hey, Cheeky, Thanks for your post on my thread. That feeling of guilt is some kind of neuro-emotion, I think. I feel it frequently about a lot of different things. I wish you were feeling better. I think I would cry too in that situation, but from my perspective there's nothing for ou to feel bad about. You're very, very ill right now, and that's just a fact. Anything you do for other people takes enormous effort and drains your energy. So, try to feel self compassion if you can. You are doing something that is very, very difficult. You have more strength than you know, and crying is a normal response that relieves tension (hopefully). Crying isn't even voluntary. It's a protective mechanism just like sneezing, in my opinion. Nothing to feel guilty about. You will get through this. Hugs, Rosetta https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/16629-rosetta-ct-may-2011-too-fast-taper-feb-2017/?page=25 2001-2011 Celexa 10 mg raised to 40 mg then 60 mg over this time period May 2011 OB Doctor's Cold switch Celexa 60 mg to 10 mg Zoloft sertraline (baby born) 2012-2016 - Doctors raised dose of Zoloft up to 150 mg 2016 - Xanax prescribed - as needed - 0.5 mg about every 3 days (bad reaction) 2016 - Stopped Xanax Late 2016- Began (too fast) taper of Zoloft Early 2017 - Trazodone prescribed for bedtime (doseage unknown) Feb 2017 - Completed taper/stopped Trazodone Drug free since Feb 2017 2017 - Unisom otc very rarely for sleep Link to comment
Cheeky Posted October 23, 2018 Author Share Posted October 23, 2018 Well after 6 weeks of windows and waves , some weeks better then the other I have come out being me again. What I find in my drops is that once I drop I tend not to feel anything until a couple of weeks later and then BAM it hits with generally the same symptoms. What I want to ask the mods @brassmonkey @Songbird @ChessieCat @Altostrata Is this normal ? 1995 started Paxil 20mg slowly increasing to 50mg 2014 I decided to tapper myself not knowing how too and crashed , DR added 50mg of Seroquel Through the years made many mistakes tapering Started Tapering Both drugs at the same time 7.5% per month Paxil 9% Seroquel doing daily micro-taper Guided by Mark Horowitz 31/3/24 Paxil 10.31mg 31/3/24 Seroquel 9.9mg Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted October 23, 2018 Administrator Share Posted October 23, 2018 It can be "normal" for withdrawal, Cheeky. This will help you understand your symptom pattern: Keep daily notes on paper about your symptoms, when you take your drugs, and their dosages. Use a simple list format with time of day on the left and notation (symptom, drug and dosage) on the right. If it's tolerable now, that's okay. If it gets worse, you'll want to take a break from tapering. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Songbird Posted October 24, 2018 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted October 24, 2018 It's normal for me to not have symptoms for at least a week, then symptoms can appear any time up to about four weeks later. 2001–2002 paroxetine 2003 citalopram 2004-2008 paroxetine (various failed tapers) 2008 paroxetine slow taper down to 2016 Aug off paroxetine2016 citalopram May 20mg Oct 15mg … slow taper down2018 citalopram 13 Feb 4.6mg 15 Mar 4.4mg 29 Apr 4.2mg 6 Jul 4.1mg 17 Aug 4.0mg 18 Nov 3.8mg 2019 15 Mar 3.6mg 21 May 3.4mg 26 Dec 3.2mg 2020 19 Feb 3.0mg 19 Jul 2.9mg 16 Sep 2.8mg 25 Oct 2.7mg 23 Oct 2.6mg 24 Dec 2.5mg 2021 29 Aug 2.4mg 15 Nov 2.3mg Link to comment
Cheeky Posted October 24, 2018 Author Share Posted October 24, 2018 9 hours ago, Altostrata said: It can be "normal" for withdrawal, Cheeky. This will help you understand your symptom pattern: Keep daily notes on paper about your symptoms, when you take your drugs, and their dosages. Use a simple list format with time of day on the left and notation (symptom, drug and dosage) on the right. If it's tolerable now, that's okay. If it gets worse, you'll want to take a break from tapering. Thanks @Altostrata I’m feeling great now so might not drop till after Christmas. I will buy myself a diary and write everything down 1995 started Paxil 20mg slowly increasing to 50mg 2014 I decided to tapper myself not knowing how too and crashed , DR added 50mg of Seroquel Through the years made many mistakes tapering Started Tapering Both drugs at the same time 7.5% per month Paxil 9% Seroquel doing daily micro-taper Guided by Mark Horowitz 31/3/24 Paxil 10.31mg 31/3/24 Seroquel 9.9mg Link to comment
wantrelief Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 So glad to hear you are feeling great, Cheeky - yay! -1/06 - 3/07 Cymbalta. Fast taper (essentially CT); withdrawal symptoms after 4 mos (didn't realize was WD) -10/07: 100 mg Zoloft; 1 mg Klonopin - tapered off Klonopin after 4 mos. Several unsuccessful slow tapers of Zoloft; went up and down in dose a lot -Spring 2013 back on 1 mg Klonopin to counter WD symptoms; switched over 5-6 mos from Zoloft to 35 mg citalopram -Two attempts at slow tapering citalopram, always increased dose due to WD; also increased Klonopin to 1.25 mg in 2014, then to 1.5 mg in 2015 -8/17-9/17: After holding one year at 20 mg, feeling withdrawal symptoms due to stress - slowly increased to 25 mg. No change in symptoms after 6 months (? tolerance ?) - decided to start citalopram taper February 2018 (still on Klonopin 1.5 mg). Supplements: fish oil; magnesium; vitamin D3; curcumin Citalopram taper: 2/2018 - 12/2019: 25 mg - 11.03 mg I 2020: 10.89 mg - 7.9 mg I 2021: 7.8 mg - 5.26 mg I 2022: 5.2 mg - 3.36 mg I 2023: 3.3 mg - 1.47 mg 2024: 1/5/24: 1.44 mg; 1/19/24: 1.40 mg; 1/26/24: 1.37 mg; 2/2/24: 1.34 mg; 2/9/24: 1.31 mg; 2/23/24: 1.28 mg; 3/1/24: 1.25 mg; 3/8/24: 1.22 mg; 3/15/24: 1.19 mg; 3/29/24: 1.17 mg; 4/5/24: 1.14 mg; 4/13/24: 1.11 mg Link to comment
Cheeky Posted October 25, 2018 Author Share Posted October 25, 2018 I’m so worried now, I have traveled back from Thailand and in the plane I forgot my seraquel in the hand in luggage, so I cant take my dose at 9.30pm before bed. It’s a 9 hour flight and I never take it during the day or I would be a walking zombie. im going to have to miss one but I’m worried it’s going to make me have a wave again , I have just gotten stable after my last drop and was feeling great. 1995 started Paxil 20mg slowly increasing to 50mg 2014 I decided to tapper myself not knowing how too and crashed , DR added 50mg of Seroquel Through the years made many mistakes tapering Started Tapering Both drugs at the same time 7.5% per month Paxil 9% Seroquel doing daily micro-taper Guided by Mark Horowitz 31/3/24 Paxil 10.31mg 31/3/24 Seroquel 9.9mg Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted October 25, 2018 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted October 25, 2018 I can understand your concern but it is what it is and you can't do anything about it. You will need to try and stay as calm as possible and not make things worse by adding stress to the situation. I realise that it is easier said than done. Treat yourself gently. Also you may have got them anyway just from recovering after being away. Non-drug techniques to cope * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
Cheeky Posted October 25, 2018 Author Share Posted October 25, 2018 1 minute ago, ChessieCat said: I can understand your concern but it is what it is and you can't do anything about it. You will need to try and stay as calm as possible and not make things worse by adding stress to the situation. I realise that it is easier said than done. Treat yourself gently. Also you may have got them anyway just from recovering after being away. Non-drug techniques to cope So very true, no point stressing. Thanks 1995 started Paxil 20mg slowly increasing to 50mg 2014 I decided to tapper myself not knowing how too and crashed , DR added 50mg of Seroquel Through the years made many mistakes tapering Started Tapering Both drugs at the same time 7.5% per month Paxil 9% Seroquel doing daily micro-taper Guided by Mark Horowitz 31/3/24 Paxil 10.31mg 31/3/24 Seroquel 9.9mg Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Carmie Posted October 25, 2018 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted October 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Cheeky said: I’m so worried now, I have traveled back from Thailand and in the plane I forgot my seraquel in the hand in luggage, so I cant take my dose at 9.30pm before bed. It’s a 9 hour flight and I never take it during the day or I would be a walking zombie. im going to have to miss one but I’m worried it’s going to make me have a wave again , I have just gotten stable after my last drop and was feeling great. 1 hour ago, Cheeky said: So very true, no point stressing. Thanks Hi Cheeky, Im so sorry you will have to miss a night's dose of seroquel. I know it’s extremely scary but as ChessieCat said stressing will just make things worse. I remember years ago I forgot to take it one night n I didn’t sleep all night, not a wink. I stabilised pretty quickly again though as far as I can remember. Last night i did the opposite to you, I double dosed the seroquel. The symptoms kept me awake a lot of the night, but there’s no point in panicking as we always eventually stabilise again. These things are hiccups in our journey but we will get there in the end. They are scary though, there is no doubt about that. Youve been doing great by the looks of it so hopefully if you do get extra symptoms your brain will stabilise pretty quickly. Hope you had fun in Thailand, sending hugs🤗 Seroquel. 2019:➡️ From 7.25mg to 5.80mg✔️ 2020➡️From 5.60 to 4.80✔️ 2021➡️From 4.60 to 4.0✔️ 2022➡️From 3.95 to 3.55✔️2023➡️ Jan 26=3.50✔️March 17=3.45✔️ June12=3.40✔️ July30=3.35✔️ Sep14=3.30✔️ Oct31=3.25✔️ 2024➡️Jan15=3.20✔️ Feb19=3.15✔️ March26=3.10✔️This is NOT medical advice.Consult your doctor. Link to comment
Cheeky Posted October 25, 2018 Author Share Posted October 25, 2018 22 minutes ago, Carmie said: Hi Cheeky, Im so sorry you will have to miss a night's dose of seroquel. I know it’s extremely scary but as ChessieCat said stressing will just make things worse. I remember years ago I forgot to take it one night n I didn’t sleep all night, not a wink. I stabilised pretty quickly again though as far as I can remember. Last night i did the opposite to you, I double dosed the seroquel. The symptoms kept me awake a lot of the night, but there’s no point in panicking as we always eventually stabilise again. These things are hiccups in our journey but we will get there in the end. They are scary though, there is no doubt about that. Youve been doing great by the looks of it so hopefully if you do get extra symptoms your brain will stabilise pretty quickly. Hope you had fun in Thailand, sending hugs🤗 Thanks @Carmie I only slept for 2 hours and the sleep I had was like day dreaming. Today I feel nervous, but that could also be because I’m back to reality . I hope you don’t feel a zombie because your double dose. 1995 started Paxil 20mg slowly increasing to 50mg 2014 I decided to tapper myself not knowing how too and crashed , DR added 50mg of Seroquel Through the years made many mistakes tapering Started Tapering Both drugs at the same time 7.5% per month Paxil 9% Seroquel doing daily micro-taper Guided by Mark Horowitz 31/3/24 Paxil 10.31mg 31/3/24 Seroquel 9.9mg Link to comment
Rosetta Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Hang in there Cheeky. Thinking of you. https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/16629-rosetta-ct-may-2011-too-fast-taper-feb-2017/?page=25 2001-2011 Celexa 10 mg raised to 40 mg then 60 mg over this time period May 2011 OB Doctor's Cold switch Celexa 60 mg to 10 mg Zoloft sertraline (baby born) 2012-2016 - Doctors raised dose of Zoloft up to 150 mg 2016 - Xanax prescribed - as needed - 0.5 mg about every 3 days (bad reaction) 2016 - Stopped Xanax Late 2016- Began (too fast) taper of Zoloft Early 2017 - Trazodone prescribed for bedtime (doseage unknown) Feb 2017 - Completed taper/stopped Trazodone Drug free since Feb 2017 2017 - Unisom otc very rarely for sleep Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Carmie Posted October 25, 2018 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted October 25, 2018 Hi Cheeky, Just checking in to see how you’re doing after missing your dose the other night. Sending hugs🤗 Seroquel. 2019:➡️ From 7.25mg to 5.80mg✔️ 2020➡️From 5.60 to 4.80✔️ 2021➡️From 4.60 to 4.0✔️ 2022➡️From 3.95 to 3.55✔️2023➡️ Jan 26=3.50✔️March 17=3.45✔️ June12=3.40✔️ July30=3.35✔️ Sep14=3.30✔️ Oct31=3.25✔️ 2024➡️Jan15=3.20✔️ Feb19=3.15✔️ March26=3.10✔️This is NOT medical advice.Consult your doctor. Link to comment
Rabe Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 Hi Cheeky...hope things are going ok after your missed dose...can be so unnerving but you seem to be handling it like the champ you are!!! Take care!💜 -Nardil 1976 < year, stopped. React to AD's. Klonopin .5BID 1990, 2.5mg til 2016 -Klonopin doubled Jan '16. Taper to 2.25mg May to Nov '16. Bad react to Lexapro, stop. React to Prevacid too, taper off. -November '16 Tapered .25mg Klonopin in hospital. Jan '17 started Viibryd, 20mg from Feb to June '17, -20mg to 10mg Viibryd from 3/25 to 6/10 2017, 12/15 10% Viibryd taper...back up next day -Clonazepam 2mg to 1.85mg 4/14 '17 to end November; taper to 1mg Clonazepam in hospital 9/1 tp 9/14 '17 -Feb '18 Amiloride .25mg 5/18 off Amiloride d/t react. Clonaz compounded -4/27 '18 Viibryd 9.5mg, 6/11 9.0 mg, 1/27 '19 Viibryd 8.75mg, ; Clonazepam .2mg 530pm and .7mg 1130pm, Premarin .3mg 830PM CARAFATE QID 2/27/19 to 3/5/19 -July 6'19 1/2 10mg Claritin 230pm, stopped it about July 18, started Oct 11 '19, -7/27 Viibryd 8.5, 8/29 8.25, 10/24 8.0, 12/19 7.75, Feb '20 7.50, 3/20 7.25, 5/20 7.0, 6/20 6.75, 7/20 6.5, 8/20 6.25, 10/2 20 6.0, 11/25'20 5.75, 1/9/21 5.5, 2/23 5.25 -1015 AM Viibryd, vit D 4,000IU 130, 415 Clonazepam .2mg, 815 Premarin .3mg, 1015 Clonaz .7mg, 1115 3t fish oil+D 1145 Castor Oil 650mg(4) 1230 Carafate 1/2GM,Methylated B Vit 1/week,Reacted Mag prn Link to comment
Cheeky Posted October 26, 2018 Author Share Posted October 26, 2018 10 hours ago, Rosetta said: Hang in there Cheeky. Thinking of you. Thanks Rosetta 1995 started Paxil 20mg slowly increasing to 50mg 2014 I decided to tapper myself not knowing how too and crashed , DR added 50mg of Seroquel Through the years made many mistakes tapering Started Tapering Both drugs at the same time 7.5% per month Paxil 9% Seroquel doing daily micro-taper Guided by Mark Horowitz 31/3/24 Paxil 10.31mg 31/3/24 Seroquel 9.9mg Link to comment
Cheeky Posted October 26, 2018 Author Share Posted October 26, 2018 2 hours ago, Rabe said: Hi Cheeky...hope things are going ok after your missed dose...can be so unnerving but you seem to be handling it like the champ you are!!! Take care!💜 I feel all good thanks Rabe, its sweet of you to ask. xxx 1995 started Paxil 20mg slowly increasing to 50mg 2014 I decided to tapper myself not knowing how too and crashed , DR added 50mg of Seroquel Through the years made many mistakes tapering Started Tapering Both drugs at the same time 7.5% per month Paxil 9% Seroquel doing daily micro-taper Guided by Mark Horowitz 31/3/24 Paxil 10.31mg 31/3/24 Seroquel 9.9mg Link to comment
Cheeky Posted October 26, 2018 Author Share Posted October 26, 2018 All good today Carmie, thanks for thinking of me. huggs 1995 started Paxil 20mg slowly increasing to 50mg 2014 I decided to tapper myself not knowing how too and crashed , DR added 50mg of Seroquel Through the years made many mistakes tapering Started Tapering Both drugs at the same time 7.5% per month Paxil 9% Seroquel doing daily micro-taper Guided by Mark Horowitz 31/3/24 Paxil 10.31mg 31/3/24 Seroquel 9.9mg Link to comment
Cheeky Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 On 10/26/2018 at 3:12 AM, Rosetta said: Hang in there Cheeky. Thinking of you. 1995 started Paxil 20mg slowly increasing to 50mg 2014 I decided to tapper myself not knowing how too and crashed , DR added 50mg of Seroquel Through the years made many mistakes tapering Started Tapering Both drugs at the same time 7.5% per month Paxil 9% Seroquel doing daily micro-taper Guided by Mark Horowitz 31/3/24 Paxil 10.31mg 31/3/24 Seroquel 9.9mg Link to comment
Cheeky Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 Hey everyone, I'm needing some advice on my current situation. I'm feeling this Seraquel that I've been taking for four years is making me feel worse, I have lost all motivation since I started, when I take it at night give it half and hour I'm eating food like a crazy lady', I'm so so tried all the time, at the point I feel I cant keep my eyes open in the morning and I'm over this. In the four years I've taken it I've put on 10 kgs and am suffering in my job. I'm thinking of trying a 10% taper at Christmas because I have time off. My question is do you think I should do that, considering I can only go down by 2% with my paxil as I'm sensitive and does it mean I will be as sensitive to Seraqul taper as I am with Paxil ? 1995 started Paxil 20mg slowly increasing to 50mg 2014 I decided to tapper myself not knowing how too and crashed , DR added 50mg of Seroquel Through the years made many mistakes tapering Started Tapering Both drugs at the same time 7.5% per month Paxil 9% Seroquel doing daily micro-taper Guided by Mark Horowitz 31/3/24 Paxil 10.31mg 31/3/24 Seroquel 9.9mg Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Songbird Posted December 4, 2018 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted December 4, 2018 Hi Cheeky, normally it is recommended here to taper the SSRI first and leave the more sedating drug until later. But if Seroquel side effects are becoming too much, it should be okay to hold the paroxetine taper for a while and taper the Seroquel, if you're feeling stable. If you've been sensitive to paroxetine dose drops, I'd be cautious about making big drops in the Seroquel. Maybe try a 5% drop rather than 10%, and see how your system responds, to give you an idea how sensitive you are to changes in Seroquel dose. 2001–2002 paroxetine 2003 citalopram 2004-2008 paroxetine (various failed tapers) 2008 paroxetine slow taper down to 2016 Aug off paroxetine2016 citalopram May 20mg Oct 15mg … slow taper down2018 citalopram 13 Feb 4.6mg 15 Mar 4.4mg 29 Apr 4.2mg 6 Jul 4.1mg 17 Aug 4.0mg 18 Nov 3.8mg 2019 15 Mar 3.6mg 21 May 3.4mg 26 Dec 3.2mg 2020 19 Feb 3.0mg 19 Jul 2.9mg 16 Sep 2.8mg 25 Oct 2.7mg 23 Oct 2.6mg 24 Dec 2.5mg 2021 29 Aug 2.4mg 15 Nov 2.3mg Link to comment
Cheeky Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 29 minutes ago, Songbird said: Hi Cheeky, normally it is recommended here to taper the SSRI first and leave the more sedating drug until later. But if Seroquel side effects are becoming too much, it should be okay to hold the paroxetine taper for a while and taper the Seroquel, if you're feeling stable. If you've been sensitive to paroxetine dose drops, I'd be cautious about making big drops in the Seroquel. Maybe try a 5% drop rather than 10%, and see how your system responds, to give you an idea how sensitive you are to changes in Seroquel dose. okay I will try that. I also have to say that I have an underactive thyroid that I don't treat, also i have low blood pressure problems and low in iron. I just try to eat well and I don't want to take any other medication. 1995 started Paxil 20mg slowly increasing to 50mg 2014 I decided to tapper myself not knowing how too and crashed , DR added 50mg of Seroquel Through the years made many mistakes tapering Started Tapering Both drugs at the same time 7.5% per month Paxil 9% Seroquel doing daily micro-taper Guided by Mark Horowitz 31/3/24 Paxil 10.31mg 31/3/24 Seroquel 9.9mg Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Songbird Posted December 4, 2018 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted December 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, Cheeky said: okay I will try that. I also have to say that I have an underactive thyroid that I don't treat, also i have low blood pressure problems and low in iron. I just try to eat well and I don't want to take any other medication. I believe ADs can mess with thyroid and BP. At various times during tapering I've had problems with low BP, and I've found that eating salty foods (such as chippies) tends to help (along with adequate fluid intake). For iron I've been using the chewable "iron fizz" tablets from the supermarket. Eating well is probably the best thing we can do for our health. 2001–2002 paroxetine 2003 citalopram 2004-2008 paroxetine (various failed tapers) 2008 paroxetine slow taper down to 2016 Aug off paroxetine2016 citalopram May 20mg Oct 15mg … slow taper down2018 citalopram 13 Feb 4.6mg 15 Mar 4.4mg 29 Apr 4.2mg 6 Jul 4.1mg 17 Aug 4.0mg 18 Nov 3.8mg 2019 15 Mar 3.6mg 21 May 3.4mg 26 Dec 3.2mg 2020 19 Feb 3.0mg 19 Jul 2.9mg 16 Sep 2.8mg 25 Oct 2.7mg 23 Oct 2.6mg 24 Dec 2.5mg 2021 29 Aug 2.4mg 15 Nov 2.3mg Link to comment
Cheeky Posted January 25, 2019 Author Share Posted January 25, 2019 3 hours ago, BB1979 said: Hi Cheeky! Just checking in to see how things were going and hope you're having a good day!! Hey BB, I'm doing okay just windows and waves at the moment. I fond that after a drop I tend to feel withdrawal 3 to 4 weeks later, so now I'm in the middle of it. I will start my seraquel taper next and try to get as low as possible as i hate the side effects. How are you going ? 1995 started Paxil 20mg slowly increasing to 50mg 2014 I decided to tapper myself not knowing how too and crashed , DR added 50mg of Seroquel Through the years made many mistakes tapering Started Tapering Both drugs at the same time 7.5% per month Paxil 9% Seroquel doing daily micro-taper Guided by Mark Horowitz 31/3/24 Paxil 10.31mg 31/3/24 Seroquel 9.9mg Link to comment
Cheeky Posted February 5, 2019 Author Share Posted February 5, 2019 Okay here's my update. I last tapered 7 weeks ago and I find in my pattern of tapering is that I tend to not feel anything until week 3 or 4 and then its waves and windows. The thing that worries me is that I can even have days were I have a good 2 hours then anxiety kicks in and I'm feeling all the symptoms again, it fluctuates from hour to hour, is this normal ? Also I feel like I will never get off going at this rate, I would like to taper every four weeks but it seems impossible because I'm starting to feel bad then. I'm currently in a wave at the moment and I've been having anxiety on and off all day with lose dowel movements, brain fog and pains in my head that come and go. I'm holding on to the thought of having my motivation and energy back as I get lower in dose, at the moment I'm a walking zombie. Do you really feel better getting lower in dose ? I tend to not write much on this forum as I'm not the best writer but i do read here constantly as it makes me feel not so alone in this. Another question, I have messed up taking my Paxil at the same time this last week E and am wondering if that can trigger withdrawal ? 1995 started Paxil 20mg slowly increasing to 50mg 2014 I decided to tapper myself not knowing how too and crashed , DR added 50mg of Seroquel Through the years made many mistakes tapering Started Tapering Both drugs at the same time 7.5% per month Paxil 9% Seroquel doing daily micro-taper Guided by Mark Horowitz 31/3/24 Paxil 10.31mg 31/3/24 Seroquel 9.9mg Link to comment
Rosetta Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 Hi Cheeky, Good to see your post! The hour to hour symptoms are very familiar to me. Take care, Rosetta https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/16629-rosetta-ct-may-2011-too-fast-taper-feb-2017/?page=25 2001-2011 Celexa 10 mg raised to 40 mg then 60 mg over this time period May 2011 OB Doctor's Cold switch Celexa 60 mg to 10 mg Zoloft sertraline (baby born) 2012-2016 - Doctors raised dose of Zoloft up to 150 mg 2016 - Xanax prescribed - as needed - 0.5 mg about every 3 days (bad reaction) 2016 - Stopped Xanax Late 2016- Began (too fast) taper of Zoloft Early 2017 - Trazodone prescribed for bedtime (doseage unknown) Feb 2017 - Completed taper/stopped Trazodone Drug free since Feb 2017 2017 - Unisom otc very rarely for sleep Link to comment
Cheeky Posted February 5, 2019 Author Share Posted February 5, 2019 44 minutes ago, Rosetta said: Hi Cheeky, Good to see your post! The hour to hour symptoms are very familiar to me. Take care, Rosetta Thankyou , I felt I was going a little crazy. 1995 started Paxil 20mg slowly increasing to 50mg 2014 I decided to tapper myself not knowing how too and crashed , DR added 50mg of Seroquel Through the years made many mistakes tapering Started Tapering Both drugs at the same time 7.5% per month Paxil 9% Seroquel doing daily micro-taper Guided by Mark Horowitz 31/3/24 Paxil 10.31mg 31/3/24 Seroquel 9.9mg Link to comment
DaveB Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 Absolutely, hour by hour! I know the feeling well. You will stabilize and even out again! 2008 - October 28th, 2016: Zoloft 50 - 150 mgs, settled on 50mgs from 2011 - 2016. January 23rd - March 1st 2017: Zoloft 50mgs, direct switch to Lexapro. March 1st - May 1st 2017: Lexapro 10 mgs, down to 5mgs for a week, then off. June 1st - July 31st 2017: Paxil 20mgs, Lyrica 600mgs August 1st - September 30th 2017: Paxil 40mgs, Zyprexa 2.5mgs October 1st - November 12th 2017: Paxil 60mgs, Zyprexa 2.5mgs November 12th, 2017 - September 4th 2018: Paxil 40mgs, Zyprexa 2.5mgs September 4th - September 27th: Paxil 30mgs, Zyprexa 2.5mgs September 28th - November 7th: Paxil 20mgs, Zyprexa 2.5mgs (Also Testosterone Therapy started in June 2018 and ended in November 2018) November 7th 2018 - February 22nd 2019: Paxil 10mgs, Zyprexa 2.5mgs February 22nd 2019 - April 17th: Zyprexa 2.5mgs, Klonopin 1mgs April 17th - Now: Zoloft 25mgs, Zyprexa 2.5mgs, Klonopin .5mgs Link to comment
Rabe Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 Hi Cheeky...for me I find I am a late responder to the tapers as well. I have, therefore, align the way been tapered too rapidly or tapered myself too rapidly because I didnt get hit at the expected time. Just wanted you to know I think that is the way it is for some of us. And Im with Rosetta...I call it waves within waves. The anxiety will come and then subside and I think yeah! And then it returns and on it goes. DO take care! 💜 -Nardil 1976 < year, stopped. React to AD's. Klonopin .5BID 1990, 2.5mg til 2016 -Klonopin doubled Jan '16. Taper to 2.25mg May to Nov '16. Bad react to Lexapro, stop. React to Prevacid too, taper off. -November '16 Tapered .25mg Klonopin in hospital. Jan '17 started Viibryd, 20mg from Feb to June '17, -20mg to 10mg Viibryd from 3/25 to 6/10 2017, 12/15 10% Viibryd taper...back up next day -Clonazepam 2mg to 1.85mg 4/14 '17 to end November; taper to 1mg Clonazepam in hospital 9/1 tp 9/14 '17 -Feb '18 Amiloride .25mg 5/18 off Amiloride d/t react. Clonaz compounded -4/27 '18 Viibryd 9.5mg, 6/11 9.0 mg, 1/27 '19 Viibryd 8.75mg, ; Clonazepam .2mg 530pm and .7mg 1130pm, Premarin .3mg 830PM CARAFATE QID 2/27/19 to 3/5/19 -July 6'19 1/2 10mg Claritin 230pm, stopped it about July 18, started Oct 11 '19, -7/27 Viibryd 8.5, 8/29 8.25, 10/24 8.0, 12/19 7.75, Feb '20 7.50, 3/20 7.25, 5/20 7.0, 6/20 6.75, 7/20 6.5, 8/20 6.25, 10/2 20 6.0, 11/25'20 5.75, 1/9/21 5.5, 2/23 5.25 -1015 AM Viibryd, vit D 4,000IU 130, 415 Clonazepam .2mg, 815 Premarin .3mg, 1015 Clonaz .7mg, 1115 3t fish oil+D 1145 Castor Oil 650mg(4) 1230 Carafate 1/2GM,Methylated B Vit 1/week,Reacted Mag prn Link to comment
Cheeky Posted February 5, 2019 Author Share Posted February 5, 2019 1 hour ago, DaveB said: Absolutely, hour by hour! I know the feeling well. You will stabilize and even out again! Thanks Dave. I've noticed you did a big drop in your last taper, how are you feeling after that. was it worth doing ? 1995 started Paxil 20mg slowly increasing to 50mg 2014 I decided to tapper myself not knowing how too and crashed , DR added 50mg of Seroquel Through the years made many mistakes tapering Started Tapering Both drugs at the same time 7.5% per month Paxil 9% Seroquel doing daily micro-taper Guided by Mark Horowitz 31/3/24 Paxil 10.31mg 31/3/24 Seroquel 9.9mg Link to comment
Cheeky Posted February 5, 2019 Author Share Posted February 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Rabe said: Hi Cheeky...for me I find I am a late responder to the tapers as well. I have, therefore, align the way been tapered too rapidly or tapered myself too rapidly because I didnt get hit at the expected time. Just wanted you to know I think that is the way it is for some of us. And Im with Rosetta...I call it waves within waves. The anxiety will come and then subside and I think yeah! And then it returns and on it goes. DO take care! 💜 Thanks heaps 1995 started Paxil 20mg slowly increasing to 50mg 2014 I decided to tapper myself not knowing how too and crashed , DR added 50mg of Seroquel Through the years made many mistakes tapering Started Tapering Both drugs at the same time 7.5% per month Paxil 9% Seroquel doing daily micro-taper Guided by Mark Horowitz 31/3/24 Paxil 10.31mg 31/3/24 Seroquel 9.9mg Link to comment
DaveB Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 10 hours ago, Cheeky said: Thanks Dave. I've noticed you did a big drop in your last taper, how are you feeling after that. was it worth doing ? No it was certainly not worth doing, I am paying for it dearly! Hoping to stabilize soon, but not close yet. 2008 - October 28th, 2016: Zoloft 50 - 150 mgs, settled on 50mgs from 2011 - 2016. January 23rd - March 1st 2017: Zoloft 50mgs, direct switch to Lexapro. March 1st - May 1st 2017: Lexapro 10 mgs, down to 5mgs for a week, then off. June 1st - July 31st 2017: Paxil 20mgs, Lyrica 600mgs August 1st - September 30th 2017: Paxil 40mgs, Zyprexa 2.5mgs October 1st - November 12th 2017: Paxil 60mgs, Zyprexa 2.5mgs November 12th, 2017 - September 4th 2018: Paxil 40mgs, Zyprexa 2.5mgs September 4th - September 27th: Paxil 30mgs, Zyprexa 2.5mgs September 28th - November 7th: Paxil 20mgs, Zyprexa 2.5mgs (Also Testosterone Therapy started in June 2018 and ended in November 2018) November 7th 2018 - February 22nd 2019: Paxil 10mgs, Zyprexa 2.5mgs February 22nd 2019 - April 17th: Zyprexa 2.5mgs, Klonopin 1mgs April 17th - Now: Zoloft 25mgs, Zyprexa 2.5mgs, Klonopin .5mgs Link to comment
Cheeky Posted February 5, 2019 Author Share Posted February 5, 2019 7 hours ago, DaveB said: No it was certainly not worth doing, I am paying for it dearly! Hoping to stabilize soon, but not close yet. I’m so sorry to hear this, the good news is it does end. Stay strong. Nd don’t do anymore changes, everybody eventually stabilisers. Take every day as is comes and do what you can do . This is such a mind **** , I hate what these drugs have done to us. 1995 started Paxil 20mg slowly increasing to 50mg 2014 I decided to tapper myself not knowing how too and crashed , DR added 50mg of Seroquel Through the years made many mistakes tapering Started Tapering Both drugs at the same time 7.5% per month Paxil 9% Seroquel doing daily micro-taper Guided by Mark Horowitz 31/3/24 Paxil 10.31mg 31/3/24 Seroquel 9.9mg Link to comment
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