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Ravenvision

Hi,

 

I thought that you might find this interesting.  I do see it is "produced with support from Janssen Research and Development LLC.  I do hope that this is a good thing - research to find out how depression happens and how drugs affect a person. 

 

Raven~

 

 

http://www.nature.com/neuro/multimedia/depression/index.html?WT.mc_id=EMI_NATURE.COMNEWSLETTER_1501_STRESS

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mammaP

Sadly the video is a promotional one from a pharmaceutical company and is promoting the biological depression theory. I can imagine there will be many people queueing up for ketamine which is a highly addictive drug and keeps some illegal drug dealers in a very lavish lifestyle, and the legal ones too. :(

 

They talk about how drugs allow neuroplasticity, but the brain is capeable of that all by itself. There is no scientific evidence to support that theory.

Depression is a symptom and has many causes. Treat the cause and cure the depression, whether it is food, stress or related to another physical illness. It is real, very real and debilitating but the drugs that every one of us here have taken can lead to a more miserable existence in the long run, and if the source of depression is not addressed they are not 'curing' that depression. 

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Rhiannon

I didn't watch the whole thing, because they went straight into the medicalization of "depression" and emotion, which I think is a faulty paradigm to begin with (read Anatomy of an Epidemic by Robert Whitaker, if you want to know more about the history of how feelings became di$eases).

 

And then they started talking about "brain circuits" (a pseudoscientific term, there is no such thing) being "dysregulated" (which sounds an awful lot like the drug-company-invented but completely-unsupported-by-science "chemical imbalance" paradigm).

 

So basically, this is another video by a drug company, trying to convince us that our brains are simplistic and faulty machines that just somehow break down randomly, poor things; that our emotions are diseases (rather than complex but normal reactions to very complex and unnatural life conditions in the modern world); and that the drug companies are so much smarter than four billion years of evolution, that they have invented wonderful petroleum-derivative chemicals that are just what our poor little sick weak faulty brains need to fix them.

 

Since I followed this kind of thinking for about 18 years, believing it hook line and sinker, and it ruined my life and did terrible things to my children's lives as well, I am not inclined to cheer about another Wonderful New $avior Drug today. Woo. Hoo.

 

Oh, and one more thing: We never (almost never? Never, that I have seen) get people in here with new-onset "depression" (I use scare quotes around "depression" because I am skeptical that it's a simple disease-like syndrome; I think emotions are much more complex than that).

 

What we see here are people dealing with iatrogenic nervous system damage due to psychiatric drug use. That damage causes symptoms that are often "diagnosed" as "depression."  But it's not the same thing as the kind of depression that comes from life experiences, stressors, etc. without the use of psych drugs.

 

So I think if we're going to talk about "depression" here, we need to clarify what we're even talking about. And this little advertisement video not only doesn't do that, it just reinforces the pseudo$cience that drug companies have already done a really good job of putting out there--by making videos like this, for one thing. 

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cymbaltawithdrawal5600

Well, I listened to the whole thing while busily searching in another window for who was behind this slick presentation. Ah, here it is, a subsidiary of Johnson and Johnson, who makes us so many cute bandaids....

 

"Janssen Research & Development is leveraging a combination of internal and external innovation to discover and develop novel medicines and solutions in five distinct therapeutic areas: Neuroscience, Oncology, Immunology, Infectious Diseases and Vaccines, and Cardiovascular and Metabolism. (so they can start rolling in $$ dough)

 

I don't like it based on my objection to pushing meds for depression, which just doesn't work in the long run.

 

"Hippocampal plasticity"? "Activation of neurotrophin [sic] expression"? All delivered in a posh British accent (no offense mammaP.) Too much pseudo scientific sounding jargon to bedazzle the listener into thinking this stuff has all been carefully researched and is PROVEN. I don't think so, listen to it carefully.

 

Very, very slick presentation. I hope they test Special K on themselves first.....

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Ravenvision

I was skeptical also.......and found this statement by the publisher of the journal nature (its a biggie in scientific circles)

 

"Nature has full responsibility for all editorial content, including Nature Video content. This content is editorially independent of sponsors."

 

It did seem like some sort of ad....and yes I did find myself wondering if they were trying to promote the use of ketamine.

 

Raven~

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btdt

I didn't watch the whole thing, because they went straight into the medicalization of "depression" and emotion, which I think is a faulty paradigm to begin with (read Anatomy of an Epidemic by Robert Whitaker, if you want to know more about the history of how feelings became di$eases).

 

And then they started talking about "brain circuits" (a pseudoscientific term, there is no such thing) being "dysregulated" (which sounds an awful lot like the drug-company-invented but completely-unsupported-by-science "chemical imbalance" paradigm).

 

So basically, this is another video by a drug company, trying to convince us that our brains are simplistic and faulty machines that just somehow break down randomly, poor things; that our emotions are diseases (rather than complex but normal reactions to very complex and unnatural life conditions in the modern world); and that the drug companies are so much smarter than four billion years of evolution, that they have invented wonderful petroleum-derivative chemicals that are just what our poor little sick weak faulty brains need to fix them.

 

Since I followed this kind of thinking for about 18 years, believing it hook line and sinker, and it ruined my life and did terrible things to my children's lives as well, I am not inclined to cheer about another Wonderful New $avior Drug today. Woo. Hoo.

 

Oh, and one more thing: We never (almost never? Never, that I have seen) get people in here with new-onset "depression" (I use scare quotes around "depression" because I am skeptical that it's a simple disease-like syndrome; I think emotions are much more complex than that).

 

What we see here are people dealing with iatrogenic nervous system damage due to psychiatric drug use. That damage causes symptoms that are often "diagnosed" as "depression."  But it's not the same thing as the kind of depression that comes from life experiences, stressors, etc. without the use of psych drugs.

 

So I think if we're going to talk about "depression" here, we need to clarify what we're even talking about. And this little advertisement video not only doesn't do that, it just reinforces the pseudo$cience that drug companies have already done a really good job of putting out there--by making videos like this, for one thing. 

"which sounds an awful lot like the drug-company-invented but completely-unsupported-by-science "chemical imbalance" paradigm).'

According to my research the actual term "chemical imbalance" came from a marketing firm... no scientist was responsible for the term. 

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btdt

The only time I heard the word ketamine was from a pimp in the strip bar who was trying to get me to go to an out of town party "ketamine" was offered as a way to convince me to go... I did not know what it was ... he said you know "Special K"  I told him I was not a drug users and did not know the terms...lol most who are in the business know all about drugs and since i was older and there everyone assumed all kinds of things of me that would not have been thought of a young dancer... they thought I already knew everything or I would not be there... 

little did they know I knew nothing... not one thing 

I got a lot of respect because a woman my age dancing usually had a lot of backing from high up... it was all a fluke I was flying by the seat of my pants every day for years with no back up at all... but they could not take the chance... life is stranger than fiction it really is. 

 

The only time I heard of ketamine is in the murders of Kristen French and Leslie Mahophy... you know the Paul Bernardo murders his wife and him used it on her sister to have sex with her while she was unconscious ... she choke on her vomit an died. 

 

Knock-out Drugs — Andrew Luster — Crime Library
www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/sexual_assault/andrew.../8.html
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Perhaps most infamously, Karla Homolka and Paul Bernardo — Canada's Ken and ...Another is Ketamine, an animal tranquilizer known as "jet" or "special K,"  .

 

why anyone would go to a party because they had that drug is beyond me... 

how it would help heal a brain of depression is also beyond me. 

 

Stranger than fiction these pharma folks

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cymbaltawithdrawal5600

Yes I remember seeing the Bernardo thing on a crime show.

 

Btdt, you sure have been there done that, in spades.

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btdt

Ya when I go I go big...isn't that what they say go big or stay home I wish I had stayed home was always a home body.  I have seen things I wish I did not see I have done things I wish I had not done... I have learned things... that I am determine to use in my future as it life experience should not be a total loss.  I now see life a l ot differently than I use to having seen how the other half lives... both sides the seedy side is shown in the strip life but the very rich are known to partake of such places too.  Stories I could tell.. some visitors from your country too.  Stories better left untold I would add. 

peace

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