freespirit Posted July 15, 2015 Author Share Posted July 15, 2015 hi,freespirit- oh,dear,I hope everything is alright w/ you;sorry to read this and that you have to wait so long for any confirmation. you're in my thoughts and prayers. xo Thanks DS. I know you're struggling right now..and hope things ease for you. Remeron for depression. Started at 7.5 mg. in 2005. Gradual increases over 8 years, up to 45 mg. in 2012.Began tapering in June 2013. Went from 45 to 30 mg in the first 3-4 months. Held for a couple of months.Started tapering by 3.75 mg every month or 2, with some longer holding periods. Eventually went down to 3.75 mg. about April 2014. Stopped taking Remeron August 2014. Developed issues with histamine a week after stopping--symptoms reduced through diet and a few supplements. Currently having issues with a few foods. Most of the histamine intolerance has resolved or is at least, in remission. Current Medications: Current Supplements: Cannabis (CBD and THC), Vitamin C, D, Quercetin, CoQ10, Tart Cherry, Probiotic, Phytoplankton oil, magnesium, Methyl B. What has helped me most: spending time in nature, qi gong, exercise, healthy diet, meditation, IV vitamins, homeopathy, massage, acupuncture, chiropractic, music, and cuddling my cats.. My introduction: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/8459-mirtazapine-withdrawal-freespirit/#entry144282 Please note: I am not a therapist or medical practitioner. Any suggestions offered come solely from my personal experience in recovering from childhood trauma, therapy, and AD use. Please seek appropriate care for yourself. “After a cruel childhood, one must reinvent oneself. Then re-imagine the world.” ― Mary Oliver Link to comment
freespirit Posted July 15, 2015 Author Share Posted July 15, 2015 Oh wow I feel the exact same about my doctor. He always pushes meds without looking into things. He did it with my step father who actually had stage four cancer by the time the hospital caught it. I really do blame my doctor for his death. If he had of looked into my dad's issues he would not have been stage four because they would have caught it a year earlier. I dread seeing him. He tries pushing meds on me every time and never tests me for anything. Sorry you are dealing with this. I am sure all will be fine but the wait is horrid and shouldn't occur at all. Noone should have to wait months for tests and answers. I should really go over to the cursing thread to express how I feel about doctors. I'm so sorry about your stepfather. I know several people who went through something like that with their doctor, who did not listen in time. No wonder you dread seeing the doctor who did not take care of your step dad. The doctor I've seen does sometimes do tests, but often not ones that are useful. And his interpretation is always the same..if the test doesn't show something, he puts everything down to depression. I don't know if he's like that with other patients, or more so with me. In terms of my wife, he was one of 3 doctors who knew the cancer was stage 4...but every one of them did not tell us that. Like we were children or something. We made decisions about treatment and our lives, based on one doc telling us it was stage 3 and that she could be cured...which was simply not true. The family doc also made her come in once a month for prescription refills on pain meds..and he doled them out in such a way that she was worried if her pain increased, that she wouldn't have enough meds to cover her. So, it meant spending 2 hours in the car, plus at least an hour in the waiting room..for someone going through chemo, dying, and sitting in a room with sick people with a compromised immune system. Hello, when someone is dying, you don't need to treat them like an addict...or without any compassion. To top it all off, twice she was in extreme distress and the home care nurse called his office to update a prescription. All he had to do was sign the paper..and he delayed it for the entire day (the nurse called the office 4 times)...it meant in one case, we had a hard time finding a pharmacy that was open...and my wife was in pain for hours, while he screwed around doing lord knows what. Even his receptionist was sympathetic, but could not explain why he wouldn't sign the form. His staff would have faxed it to the pharmacy..where they would have had the script ready immediately. The palliative doctor refused a medication that would have kept her more comfortable...because it was proposed by a nurse, he didn't like that...so we ended up at the hospital at the end, when she could have died at home in peace. I think it's pretty obvious why I hate doctors..and I haven't even mentioned the **** we went through with cancer treatment docs. The medical system, in my opinion, is shameful. Remeron for depression. Started at 7.5 mg. in 2005. Gradual increases over 8 years, up to 45 mg. in 2012.Began tapering in June 2013. Went from 45 to 30 mg in the first 3-4 months. Held for a couple of months.Started tapering by 3.75 mg every month or 2, with some longer holding periods. Eventually went down to 3.75 mg. about April 2014. Stopped taking Remeron August 2014. Developed issues with histamine a week after stopping--symptoms reduced through diet and a few supplements. Currently having issues with a few foods. Most of the histamine intolerance has resolved or is at least, in remission. Current Medications: Current Supplements: Cannabis (CBD and THC), Vitamin C, D, Quercetin, CoQ10, Tart Cherry, Probiotic, Phytoplankton oil, magnesium, Methyl B. What has helped me most: spending time in nature, qi gong, exercise, healthy diet, meditation, IV vitamins, homeopathy, massage, acupuncture, chiropractic, music, and cuddling my cats.. My introduction: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/8459-mirtazapine-withdrawal-freespirit/#entry144282 Please note: I am not a therapist or medical practitioner. Any suggestions offered come solely from my personal experience in recovering from childhood trauma, therapy, and AD use. Please seek appropriate care for yourself. “After a cruel childhood, one must reinvent oneself. Then re-imagine the world.” ― Mary Oliver Link to comment
freespirit Posted July 15, 2015 Author Share Posted July 15, 2015 Free, I can completely hear your fear/frustration/anxiety on this issue. I had a similar situation over ten years ago. I had been dx'd w/Hep C (my hubby has it; turns out in my case it's inactive). But we had to have our sons tested, because if I had it when I gave birth to them then I could have passed it to them. Both boys were pre-teens at the time. As a mother I was just beside myself waiting for the test results. A dear friend said to me, "is there anything you can do about any of this right this minute?" And when she said that I understood, that no, I couldn't. What was done was done - the results were not up to me. Getting them sooner or later was not going to change what was to be. And it just took the anxiety right out of me. Maybe it will help you to just walk through each day, one day at a time and know that all of this is in the hands of the Universe. Stick around here; talk about the fear and anxiety if it gets out of hand. You aren't alone! And know that there are powers in this Universe that are much stronger and more loving than your idiot doctor! Thanks for this...I did manage to talk myself down by last night. I realized that all I can do right now is to continue to take the best care of my health that I can. I'm doing all the right things health-wise. Because of wd, I've done a lot of meditation related to mind-body healing and I'll continue with that too. Both cats came to cuddle last night and this morning. That helps so much to calm me. It has lit a fire under me to do something about the situation with my doctor. I talked with a friend this morning who used to work for hospice and she had a couple of suggestions. I'll follow up on those. In the meantime, I am not going back to the doctor I've seen. I'm going to request my medical records, so I have them readily available. It will also help me to see what he's written into my records. The friend I saw this morning had a positive result last year too. She went back to her doctor and asked for a 2nd screening test. Like me, she'd been having some other issues and felt it was related to that. The 2nd test was normal and she did not have a colonoscopy. I'm glad she told me that, as it was something I was considering too. I'm not sure I even want the colonoscopy, given the risks involved...at least not without repeating the screening test first. These kinds of things hit me much harder, now that I'm on my own. There's literally is no one to take care of me, should I get ill. It's scary living with no safety net. But it has shaken me out of the complacency I tend to drift back into. I need to continue to be proactive about my life, doing things to improve what I can...as well as letting go of what is no longer serving me. Remeron for depression. Started at 7.5 mg. in 2005. Gradual increases over 8 years, up to 45 mg. in 2012.Began tapering in June 2013. Went from 45 to 30 mg in the first 3-4 months. Held for a couple of months.Started tapering by 3.75 mg every month or 2, with some longer holding periods. Eventually went down to 3.75 mg. about April 2014. Stopped taking Remeron August 2014. Developed issues with histamine a week after stopping--symptoms reduced through diet and a few supplements. Currently having issues with a few foods. Most of the histamine intolerance has resolved or is at least, in remission. Current Medications: Current Supplements: Cannabis (CBD and THC), Vitamin C, D, Quercetin, CoQ10, Tart Cherry, Probiotic, Phytoplankton oil, magnesium, Methyl B. What has helped me most: spending time in nature, qi gong, exercise, healthy diet, meditation, IV vitamins, homeopathy, massage, acupuncture, chiropractic, music, and cuddling my cats.. My introduction: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/8459-mirtazapine-withdrawal-freespirit/#entry144282 Please note: I am not a therapist or medical practitioner. Any suggestions offered come solely from my personal experience in recovering from childhood trauma, therapy, and AD use. Please seek appropriate care for yourself. “After a cruel childhood, one must reinvent oneself. Then re-imagine the world.” ― Mary Oliver Link to comment
MissTrish Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Good for you - love it that you're taking the action you can! I canceled an app't w/a GI specialist yesterday. Was supposed to meet to discuss a colonoscopy - I had a polyp my last one, five years ago. I do not want colon cancer, for sure, but I just didn't feel like I was in a place where I could discuss it properly. I've got to wrap my head around dealing with the medications involved in a colonoscopy and so newly off Remeron I'm just not ready to do that this week. Thought I'd give it maybe another month. Looking forward to hearing what comes out of the things you are doing for yourself! 1986-2005: Limbitrol (15 Librium/ 50 Elavil combo) 1986-2005, 2005-successfully tapered Librium January of 2009-2011: Mirtazapine 30 mg; Cymbalta 60 mg; tapered cymbalta fall/winter of 2011/12 March 2012-March 2014: Mirtazapine, and various trials of Celexa, Zoloft, Wellbutrin and Lexapro; began Lexapro taper 9/18/14-Lexapro .7 mg; Mirtazapine 30 mg; 9/29/14 ditched Lexapro; added 25 mg Nortryptyline began mirtazapine taper 11/4/14: Mirtazapine 15 mg; Nortryptyline about 12.5 mg; 1/17/15: Mirtazapine 7.5 mg; Nortryptyline 2.5 mg, then jumped nortryptyline. 2/10: Mirtazapine 1.875, 2/11: Re-established at 6.75, 3/19-6.0 mg, 4/9-5.8, 4/17-6.3; 4/21 tried to re-establish at 7.5 4/23/15-Back to 5.8; 5/5-5.1mg; 5/16-4.6 mg; 5/24-4.2 mg; 6/2-3.9 mg; 6/9-3.6 mg; 6/16-3.3 mg; 6/23-3 mg 6/28-2.8 mg; 7/2-2.5 mg; 7/4-Jumped, due to increased misery from the drug itself. In a spell of panic due to agitation and insomnia, went through a few days each of 10, then 5 mg amitryptyline and 5 mg librium. Did not work out well. Horrible insomnia now. Link to comment
AliG Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 So sorry to hear this, Free. My thoughts and prayers are with you. This doesn't seem fair when you've been through so much, however I'm sure it will be fine. Hugs. Many SSRI's and SSNRI's over 20 years. Zoloft for 7 years followed by Effexor, Lexapro, Prozac, Cymbalta, Celexa, Pristiq, Valdoxan, Mianserin and more - on and off. No tapering. Cold turkey off Valdoxan - end of May 2014 Psych Drug - free since May 2014 . Link to comment
freespirit Posted July 16, 2015 Author Share Posted July 16, 2015 Miss Trish, I think that's wise to wait on the colonoscopy, given the drugs that are used. My concerns also lay with the prep--which is known to cause kidney issues for some...and I had chronic kidney disease. In addition, the prep destroys all your good gut bacteria..which I've spent a year trying to get back to some semblance of normality. I worry about the drugs for the procedure itself. Yes, I know some people have gone through it without drugs..but I'm not sure that's a possibility for me. I spoke with a friend here who has a good doctor. I read his reviews--which were nearly all positive. He's very interested in overall health, not a pill pusher, and actually knows how to listen. My friend is going to see him tomorrow and will ask him if he's willing to take me on as a patient. Apparently, he did so for another friend of her's. My hospice friend told me this doctor is also gay...so I wouldn't have to feel odd on that count either. Just to cover my bases, I emailed a friend whose husband is a doctor. He's close to retirement, so has been reducing his patient load for awhile. But I asked if he knew of anyone who might be appropriate for me that would be willing to be my doctor. I'd prefer it if I can find someone locally, as I've always had to drive 45minutes to an hour ever since we moved here..but I will travel if I need to. I hope something will come of one of these 2 things. At least I feel good about finally taking some action. Ali, I appreciate your thoughts and prayers. Thanks for stopping by. Remeron for depression. Started at 7.5 mg. in 2005. Gradual increases over 8 years, up to 45 mg. in 2012.Began tapering in June 2013. Went from 45 to 30 mg in the first 3-4 months. Held for a couple of months.Started tapering by 3.75 mg every month or 2, with some longer holding periods. Eventually went down to 3.75 mg. about April 2014. Stopped taking Remeron August 2014. Developed issues with histamine a week after stopping--symptoms reduced through diet and a few supplements. Currently having issues with a few foods. Most of the histamine intolerance has resolved or is at least, in remission. Current Medications: Current Supplements: Cannabis (CBD and THC), Vitamin C, D, Quercetin, CoQ10, Tart Cherry, Probiotic, Phytoplankton oil, magnesium, Methyl B. What has helped me most: spending time in nature, qi gong, exercise, healthy diet, meditation, IV vitamins, homeopathy, massage, acupuncture, chiropractic, music, and cuddling my cats.. My introduction: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/8459-mirtazapine-withdrawal-freespirit/#entry144282 Please note: I am not a therapist or medical practitioner. Any suggestions offered come solely from my personal experience in recovering from childhood trauma, therapy, and AD use. Please seek appropriate care for yourself. “After a cruel childhood, one must reinvent oneself. Then re-imagine the world.” ― Mary Oliver Link to comment
degen12 Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Have you heard of Neuroprotek? Quercetone is another good one, as is a butterbur extract. There is a lot of talk about treating histamine intolerance without antihistamines in some CFS and autism forums. Of course diet is the first line in treating histamine intolerance, I know I know. Really though I think it is antihistamine-withdrawal-induced mast cell activation disorder. April / 2016: Cipralex 10 mg, Mirtazapine 30 mg, Lyrica 600 mg, Diazepam 20 mg, Bystolic 5 mg 2018: Lots of polypharmacy which is undocumented here. Started and stopped several drugs and changed doses of existing ones August / 2018: Back on track! Cipralex 15 mg, Mirtazapine 7.5 mg, Diazepam 15 mg September 2018: Cipralex 15 mg -> 12.5 mg October 2018: Cipralex 12.5 mg -> 10 mg, Mirtazapine 7.5 mg -> 3.75 mg -> Stopped, Diazepam 15 mg November 2019: Cipralex 5 mg, Diazepam 10 mg Link to comment
johnmtz Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Life is real roller coaster these days. Seems like every time I start feeling better, something else happens and I'm riding the waves again. Had a very good visit with chiropractor on Friday and felt a lot better afterwards. I wasn't in as much pain as the previous 2 treatments. Overall, I had a sense of feeling more comfortable and trusting her more. A lot of emotion has been coming up since the treatment. I'm sure this is a good thing, though it doesn't feel that great. It does make me feel better in my body and I've had more energy again this time.... That evening, I looked up some medical test results online. Not a good idea on a Friday night. I had a positive result on the screening for colon cancer. Rationally, I know there's a very good chance it's a false positive. It could have been the amount of inflammation I had in my gut a few weeks ago, when I had the test. It could just be polyps. It could be nothing. But given what I went through with my wife and her cancer, it has been nearly impossible for me to set aside. When I looked at the results, it said I'd be referred by my doctor for a colonoscopy. I called his office today and while they have the results, he hasn't even looked at them yet (they were posted over 2 weeks ago). I am scared about having to go back to see him and even more scared about him handling my care, if there is something more serious going on. The soonest I could get in is next Thursday..and he won't make the referral without a visit. Plus, it's a 2 month wait to get in for the test anyway. A long time for my mind to be dwelling on it. I called the previous doc I'd seen, but I can't get back in to see her. There is no one else accepting new patients. So, I am stuck with this stupid *******, who will no doubt grab his bloody prescription pad and try to give me AD or ativan. I'm concerned I'll blow up. I can't stand the thought of having to see him again..and having to go back there to get further results. He did a lousy job of handling my wife's care..and that was before. He's gotten much worse over the past few years. I wish there was a better option, or even a different option. Our medical system here sucks. Hi FreeSpirit, I know it is expensive but I've gone to Seattle many times to get second opinions. I had to go many times for my eyes since getting an ophthalmologist here would take 6 months. But Swedish is known for cancer docs and University of Washington. Get a second opinion from a well known clinic on this kind of thing. Your right, it could be a false positive. Mirtazapine since 2008: I started January 2008 on approx 4 mg per night. 2010, I was on 7,5 mg per night 2012, I went up to 15 mg 2013 up to 45 mg on some nights 2013 to 2014 on Zolpidem 10 mg Jan 2014 off of Zolpidem C/T Jan 2014 down to 15 mg Mirt Feb 2015 back up to between 30 to 45 mg per night Late Feb 2015 started fast taper from 45 to 0 mg. 30 day taper. C/T March 25 Using supplements but have withdrawals problems Link to comment
freespirit Posted July 16, 2015 Author Share Posted July 16, 2015 Have you heard of Neuroprotek? Quercetone is another good one, as is a butterbur extract. There is a lot of talk about treating histamine intolerance without antihistamines in some CFS and autism forums. Of course diet is the first line in treating histamine intolerance, I know I know. Really though I think it is antihistamine-withdrawal-induced mast cell activation disorder. Hi degen12, If you look on my signature, you'll see that I'm treating histamine issues primarily through diet...plus, quercetin and vitamin c. What I'm seeing now in terms of symptoms seems to be mostly trauma-related and less so about diet. I went through what many of us have on here, trying supplements..which turned out to not be an answer. The neuroprotek, which I looked at in the past has gelatin in it...something I've never been able to tolerate. I don't use antihistamines, as they produce horrible side effects. I don't know if anyone understands what causes these issues and why certain people are more sensitive to them. We are all just guessing at most of this. Remeron for depression. Started at 7.5 mg. in 2005. Gradual increases over 8 years, up to 45 mg. in 2012.Began tapering in June 2013. Went from 45 to 30 mg in the first 3-4 months. Held for a couple of months.Started tapering by 3.75 mg every month or 2, with some longer holding periods. Eventually went down to 3.75 mg. about April 2014. Stopped taking Remeron August 2014. Developed issues with histamine a week after stopping--symptoms reduced through diet and a few supplements. Currently having issues with a few foods. Most of the histamine intolerance has resolved or is at least, in remission. Current Medications: Current Supplements: Cannabis (CBD and THC), Vitamin C, D, Quercetin, CoQ10, Tart Cherry, Probiotic, Phytoplankton oil, magnesium, Methyl B. What has helped me most: spending time in nature, qi gong, exercise, healthy diet, meditation, IV vitamins, homeopathy, massage, acupuncture, chiropractic, music, and cuddling my cats.. My introduction: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/8459-mirtazapine-withdrawal-freespirit/#entry144282 Please note: I am not a therapist or medical practitioner. Any suggestions offered come solely from my personal experience in recovering from childhood trauma, therapy, and AD use. Please seek appropriate care for yourself. “After a cruel childhood, one must reinvent oneself. Then re-imagine the world.” ― Mary Oliver Link to comment
freespirit Posted July 16, 2015 Author Share Posted July 16, 2015 Hi FreeSpirit, I know it is expensive but I've gone to Seattle many times to get second opinions. I had to go many times for my eyes since getting an ophthalmologist here would take 6 months. But Swedish is known for cancer docs and University of Washington. Get a second opinion from a well known clinic on this kind of thing. Your right, it could be a false positive. Hi John, Thanks for your thoughts. I'm still investigating possibilities. Once I can have a conversation with an intelligent doc here, I'll have a better idea of how to proceed. I'm leaning towards asking for a repeat of the initial test, and not jumping for a colonoscopy at this point. I'm afraid I don't have much more confidence in US doctors, given some of my past experiences and those of family. At the moment, I'm more or less dumping all of western medicine in the toilet. I know I'll have to adjust from that...but just where I am right now. Remeron for depression. Started at 7.5 mg. in 2005. Gradual increases over 8 years, up to 45 mg. in 2012.Began tapering in June 2013. Went from 45 to 30 mg in the first 3-4 months. Held for a couple of months.Started tapering by 3.75 mg every month or 2, with some longer holding periods. Eventually went down to 3.75 mg. about April 2014. Stopped taking Remeron August 2014. Developed issues with histamine a week after stopping--symptoms reduced through diet and a few supplements. Currently having issues with a few foods. Most of the histamine intolerance has resolved or is at least, in remission. Current Medications: Current Supplements: Cannabis (CBD and THC), Vitamin C, D, Quercetin, CoQ10, Tart Cherry, Probiotic, Phytoplankton oil, magnesium, Methyl B. What has helped me most: spending time in nature, qi gong, exercise, healthy diet, meditation, IV vitamins, homeopathy, massage, acupuncture, chiropractic, music, and cuddling my cats.. My introduction: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/8459-mirtazapine-withdrawal-freespirit/#entry144282 Please note: I am not a therapist or medical practitioner. Any suggestions offered come solely from my personal experience in recovering from childhood trauma, therapy, and AD use. Please seek appropriate care for yourself. “After a cruel childhood, one must reinvent oneself. Then re-imagine the world.” ― Mary Oliver Link to comment
degen12 Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Have you heard of Neuroprotek? Quercetone is another good one, as is a butterbur extract. There is a lot of talk about treating histamine intolerance without antihistamines in some CFS and autism forums. Of course diet is the first line in treating histamine intolerance, I know I know. Really though I think it is antihistamine-withdrawal-induced mast cell activation disorder. Hi degen12, If you look on my signature, you'll see that I'm treating histamine issues primarily through diet...plus, quercetin and vitamin c. What I'm seeing now in terms of symptoms seems to be mostly trauma-related and less so about diet. I went through what many of us have on here, trying supplements..which turned out to not be an answer. The neuroprotek, which I looked at in the past has gelatin in it...something I've never been able to tolerate. I don't use antihistamines, as they produce horrible side effects. I don't know if anyone understands what causes these issues and why certain people are more sensitive to them. We are all just guessing at most of this. I read your signature before posting. I did say that diet is the first line of treatment. One of the evil supplements I mentioned is an enhanced absorption version of quercetin. You state in your signature that you developed histamine issues in the wake of Remeron withdrawal. There is no mention of trauma issues. I never suggested that you should take anti-histamines. Of course we are all guessing.. about almost (or completely) everything. April / 2016: Cipralex 10 mg, Mirtazapine 30 mg, Lyrica 600 mg, Diazepam 20 mg, Bystolic 5 mg 2018: Lots of polypharmacy which is undocumented here. Started and stopped several drugs and changed doses of existing ones August / 2018: Back on track! Cipralex 15 mg, Mirtazapine 7.5 mg, Diazepam 15 mg September 2018: Cipralex 15 mg -> 12.5 mg October 2018: Cipralex 12.5 mg -> 10 mg, Mirtazapine 7.5 mg -> 3.75 mg -> Stopped, Diazepam 15 mg November 2019: Cipralex 5 mg, Diazepam 10 mg Link to comment
freespirit Posted July 16, 2015 Author Share Posted July 16, 2015 I can't post my whole history into my signature. And things change I find, on a daily basis, as to what I'm uncovering and seeing. I wasn't sure why you were posting suggestions, as I haven't been questioning anything regarding supplements. I haven't written much recently on my thread regarding histamine, except the hives I've had in response to chiropractic treatments. It helps to read some of people's threads, so you get some idea of where they are coming from and what's happening currently. The signature is only a very short-hand version of things. My focus has shifted away from histamine and more towards a diet that will reduce inflammation overall. It's only very recently that I've started wondering what effects trauma and release of trauma might be playing in terms of inflammation and histamine release. Remeron for depression. Started at 7.5 mg. in 2005. Gradual increases over 8 years, up to 45 mg. in 2012.Began tapering in June 2013. Went from 45 to 30 mg in the first 3-4 months. Held for a couple of months.Started tapering by 3.75 mg every month or 2, with some longer holding periods. Eventually went down to 3.75 mg. about April 2014. Stopped taking Remeron August 2014. Developed issues with histamine a week after stopping--symptoms reduced through diet and a few supplements. Currently having issues with a few foods. Most of the histamine intolerance has resolved or is at least, in remission. Current Medications: Current Supplements: Cannabis (CBD and THC), Vitamin C, D, Quercetin, CoQ10, Tart Cherry, Probiotic, Phytoplankton oil, magnesium, Methyl B. What has helped me most: spending time in nature, qi gong, exercise, healthy diet, meditation, IV vitamins, homeopathy, massage, acupuncture, chiropractic, music, and cuddling my cats.. My introduction: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/8459-mirtazapine-withdrawal-freespirit/#entry144282 Please note: I am not a therapist or medical practitioner. Any suggestions offered come solely from my personal experience in recovering from childhood trauma, therapy, and AD use. Please seek appropriate care for yourself. “After a cruel childhood, one must reinvent oneself. Then re-imagine the world.” ― Mary Oliver Link to comment
degen12 Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Right. So you directed me to your signature after I posted my suggestions. Now you're telling me I shouldn't rely on your signature. Ok. In the future I'll be sure only to make suggestions related to what you've posted recently in your 8 page thread. I guess you have so much support that a stray suggestion has become offensive to you. I'll also make sure to stay up-to-date on whatever "The Low Histamine Chef" is peddling. I understand that since she has changed her opinion, you don't want to know about anything that varies from her viewpoint. April / 2016: Cipralex 10 mg, Mirtazapine 30 mg, Lyrica 600 mg, Diazepam 20 mg, Bystolic 5 mg 2018: Lots of polypharmacy which is undocumented here. Started and stopped several drugs and changed doses of existing ones August / 2018: Back on track! Cipralex 15 mg, Mirtazapine 7.5 mg, Diazepam 15 mg September 2018: Cipralex 15 mg -> 12.5 mg October 2018: Cipralex 12.5 mg -> 10 mg, Mirtazapine 7.5 mg -> 3.75 mg -> Stopped, Diazepam 15 mg November 2019: Cipralex 5 mg, Diazepam 10 mg Link to comment
freespirit Posted July 16, 2015 Author Share Posted July 16, 2015 I find this offensive. I'm not sure what your purpose was in coming onto my thread. I never posted anything asking for advice regarding histamine. I've done extremely well handling that, along with a lot of other issues related to wd. If you read anything from my thread, you would know that the advice I rely on higher than anything else comes from inside..not outside. I read, including on here, and then, I follow my own intuition. I've learned a great deal through trial and error in my own body and what happens when I listen to anyone else, however "expert", over myself. I am not a big fan of supplements and do not take them easily or lightly. Everything put into the body has a consequence. My questioning about inflammation in general came before I read that on low histamine chef. I was searching for what might be causing the inflammation I was experiencing. I came across her article after that. I don't subscribe to everything she or anyone else says. She's an expert on her own body; I'm the expert on mine. Remeron for depression. Started at 7.5 mg. in 2005. Gradual increases over 8 years, up to 45 mg. in 2012.Began tapering in June 2013. Went from 45 to 30 mg in the first 3-4 months. Held for a couple of months.Started tapering by 3.75 mg every month or 2, with some longer holding periods. Eventually went down to 3.75 mg. about April 2014. Stopped taking Remeron August 2014. Developed issues with histamine a week after stopping--symptoms reduced through diet and a few supplements. Currently having issues with a few foods. Most of the histamine intolerance has resolved or is at least, in remission. Current Medications: Current Supplements: Cannabis (CBD and THC), Vitamin C, D, Quercetin, CoQ10, Tart Cherry, Probiotic, Phytoplankton oil, magnesium, Methyl B. What has helped me most: spending time in nature, qi gong, exercise, healthy diet, meditation, IV vitamins, homeopathy, massage, acupuncture, chiropractic, music, and cuddling my cats.. My introduction: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/8459-mirtazapine-withdrawal-freespirit/#entry144282 Please note: I am not a therapist or medical practitioner. Any suggestions offered come solely from my personal experience in recovering from childhood trauma, therapy, and AD use. Please seek appropriate care for yourself. “After a cruel childhood, one must reinvent oneself. Then re-imagine the world.” ― Mary Oliver Link to comment
degen12 Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 I don't see the harm in my posting some suggestions in your thread that are directly relevant to the issues you profess to have in your signature. They are suggestions, not demands. April / 2016: Cipralex 10 mg, Mirtazapine 30 mg, Lyrica 600 mg, Diazepam 20 mg, Bystolic 5 mg 2018: Lots of polypharmacy which is undocumented here. Started and stopped several drugs and changed doses of existing ones August / 2018: Back on track! Cipralex 15 mg, Mirtazapine 7.5 mg, Diazepam 15 mg September 2018: Cipralex 15 mg -> 12.5 mg October 2018: Cipralex 12.5 mg -> 10 mg, Mirtazapine 7.5 mg -> 3.75 mg -> Stopped, Diazepam 15 mg November 2019: Cipralex 5 mg, Diazepam 10 mg Link to comment
freespirit Posted July 16, 2015 Author Share Posted July 16, 2015 Here is an excellent post by GiaK on this topic: A request for commenters on this page: Please do not tell people what to do on this page. I’m asking this at this moment in relation to taking supplements. It is not a good idea to tell people what they need in the way of supplements and it can sometimes be dangerous…especially if folks are taking psychiatric medications and/or are in the process of withdrawal from psych drugs. Supplements in a hypersensitized body (as many are after having been on psychiatric drugs) can be quite dangerous. It’s not okay to assume that something that worked well for you or someone you know is safe for someone you’ve never met here on this page (or anywhere else you might be likely to hand out such advice) You can share your experience here, but I ask you to refrain from directing people to what they should take and to refrain from thinking you know anything about what might be appropriate and safe for someone you do not know (or for that matter someone you do know, too as you won’t know their body) basically everyone needs to find their own sense of guidance and intuition. Your experience may help inform their experience but it’s rare that someone can safely simply copy what another has done and it’s not a good idea to tell folks what to do…pretty much ever. Thank you. (see original here) http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/6719-on-giving-advice-and-supplements-httpwpmep5nnb-b9g/ Remeron for depression. Started at 7.5 mg. in 2005. Gradual increases over 8 years, up to 45 mg. in 2012.Began tapering in June 2013. Went from 45 to 30 mg in the first 3-4 months. Held for a couple of months.Started tapering by 3.75 mg every month or 2, with some longer holding periods. Eventually went down to 3.75 mg. about April 2014. Stopped taking Remeron August 2014. Developed issues with histamine a week after stopping--symptoms reduced through diet and a few supplements. Currently having issues with a few foods. Most of the histamine intolerance has resolved or is at least, in remission. Current Medications: Current Supplements: Cannabis (CBD and THC), Vitamin C, D, Quercetin, CoQ10, Tart Cherry, Probiotic, Phytoplankton oil, magnesium, Methyl B. What has helped me most: spending time in nature, qi gong, exercise, healthy diet, meditation, IV vitamins, homeopathy, massage, acupuncture, chiropractic, music, and cuddling my cats.. My introduction: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/8459-mirtazapine-withdrawal-freespirit/#entry144282 Please note: I am not a therapist or medical practitioner. Any suggestions offered come solely from my personal experience in recovering from childhood trauma, therapy, and AD use. Please seek appropriate care for yourself. “After a cruel childhood, one must reinvent oneself. Then re-imagine the world.” ― Mary Oliver Link to comment
freespirit Posted July 16, 2015 Author Share Posted July 16, 2015 From the same post: It’s also arrogant and even violent to insist you know what is right for someone else and not at all unrelated to what psychiatrists like to do when they prescribe drugs. Yes, sorry, but it’s true. We are not being respectful if we insist we know what is right for someone else in caring for their own body/mind/spirit. Remeron for depression. Started at 7.5 mg. in 2005. Gradual increases over 8 years, up to 45 mg. in 2012.Began tapering in June 2013. Went from 45 to 30 mg in the first 3-4 months. Held for a couple of months.Started tapering by 3.75 mg every month or 2, with some longer holding periods. Eventually went down to 3.75 mg. about April 2014. Stopped taking Remeron August 2014. Developed issues with histamine a week after stopping--symptoms reduced through diet and a few supplements. Currently having issues with a few foods. Most of the histamine intolerance has resolved or is at least, in remission. Current Medications: Current Supplements: Cannabis (CBD and THC), Vitamin C, D, Quercetin, CoQ10, Tart Cherry, Probiotic, Phytoplankton oil, magnesium, Methyl B. What has helped me most: spending time in nature, qi gong, exercise, healthy diet, meditation, IV vitamins, homeopathy, massage, acupuncture, chiropractic, music, and cuddling my cats.. My introduction: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/8459-mirtazapine-withdrawal-freespirit/#entry144282 Please note: I am not a therapist or medical practitioner. Any suggestions offered come solely from my personal experience in recovering from childhood trauma, therapy, and AD use. Please seek appropriate care for yourself. “After a cruel childhood, one must reinvent oneself. Then re-imagine the world.” ― Mary Oliver Link to comment
degen12 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Also, you find my post offensive. What does that mean? You don't like it? My post is hardly discriminatory. I just happened to disagree with you. April / 2016: Cipralex 10 mg, Mirtazapine 30 mg, Lyrica 600 mg, Diazepam 20 mg, Bystolic 5 mg 2018: Lots of polypharmacy which is undocumented here. Started and stopped several drugs and changed doses of existing ones August / 2018: Back on track! Cipralex 15 mg, Mirtazapine 7.5 mg, Diazepam 15 mg September 2018: Cipralex 15 mg -> 12.5 mg October 2018: Cipralex 12.5 mg -> 10 mg, Mirtazapine 7.5 mg -> 3.75 mg -> Stopped, Diazepam 15 mg November 2019: Cipralex 5 mg, Diazepam 10 mg Link to comment
degen12 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 From the same post: It’s also arrogant and even violent to insist you know what is right for someone else and not at all unrelated to what psychiatrists like to do when they prescribe drugs. Yes, sorry, but it’s true. We are not being respectful if we insist we know what is right for someone else in caring for their own body/mind/spirit. Again, I never, and this is an important word, insisted, that you take any supplement. I just mentioned them. That I'm being violent is just ridiculous. April / 2016: Cipralex 10 mg, Mirtazapine 30 mg, Lyrica 600 mg, Diazepam 20 mg, Bystolic 5 mg 2018: Lots of polypharmacy which is undocumented here. Started and stopped several drugs and changed doses of existing ones August / 2018: Back on track! Cipralex 15 mg, Mirtazapine 7.5 mg, Diazepam 15 mg September 2018: Cipralex 15 mg -> 12.5 mg October 2018: Cipralex 12.5 mg -> 10 mg, Mirtazapine 7.5 mg -> 3.75 mg -> Stopped, Diazepam 15 mg November 2019: Cipralex 5 mg, Diazepam 10 mg Link to comment
degen12 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Here is a theoretical example of me insisting you take something, or acting like some kind of professional: All of your problems are histamine related. You have MCAS. Take the supplements Neuroprotek and Quercetone at x capsules a day. See the difference? April / 2016: Cipralex 10 mg, Mirtazapine 30 mg, Lyrica 600 mg, Diazepam 20 mg, Bystolic 5 mg 2018: Lots of polypharmacy which is undocumented here. Started and stopped several drugs and changed doses of existing ones August / 2018: Back on track! Cipralex 15 mg, Mirtazapine 7.5 mg, Diazepam 15 mg September 2018: Cipralex 15 mg -> 12.5 mg October 2018: Cipralex 12.5 mg -> 10 mg, Mirtazapine 7.5 mg -> 3.75 mg -> Stopped, Diazepam 15 mg November 2019: Cipralex 5 mg, Diazepam 10 mg Link to comment
freespirit Posted July 17, 2015 Author Share Posted July 17, 2015 What I find extremely offensive is your tone. No means no. You don't need to understand why I'm saying no, just that I am. I didn't ask for your advice and it is unwelcome to me. People who have responded on my thread I've formed some kind of relationship with. They tell me things that have helped them and I do likewise. That's different than showing up, knowing nothing, and making suggestions. Again, it's unwanted and unwelcome. I don't need your advice. Remeron for depression. Started at 7.5 mg. in 2005. Gradual increases over 8 years, up to 45 mg. in 2012.Began tapering in June 2013. Went from 45 to 30 mg in the first 3-4 months. Held for a couple of months.Started tapering by 3.75 mg every month or 2, with some longer holding periods. Eventually went down to 3.75 mg. about April 2014. Stopped taking Remeron August 2014. Developed issues with histamine a week after stopping--symptoms reduced through diet and a few supplements. Currently having issues with a few foods. Most of the histamine intolerance has resolved or is at least, in remission. Current Medications: Current Supplements: Cannabis (CBD and THC), Vitamin C, D, Quercetin, CoQ10, Tart Cherry, Probiotic, Phytoplankton oil, magnesium, Methyl B. What has helped me most: spending time in nature, qi gong, exercise, healthy diet, meditation, IV vitamins, homeopathy, massage, acupuncture, chiropractic, music, and cuddling my cats.. My introduction: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/8459-mirtazapine-withdrawal-freespirit/#entry144282 Please note: I am not a therapist or medical practitioner. Any suggestions offered come solely from my personal experience in recovering from childhood trauma, therapy, and AD use. Please seek appropriate care for yourself. “After a cruel childhood, one must reinvent oneself. Then re-imagine the world.” ― Mary Oliver Link to comment
degen12 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 People who have responded on my thread I've formed some kind of relationship with. They tell me things that have helped them and I do likewise. That's different than showing up, knowing nothing, and making suggestions. Again, it's unwanted and unwelcome. I don't need your advice. Giving unwanted advice is my crime. Understood. Only people you've formed some kind of relationship with are welcome in your thread. Understood. I suggest you unplug all of your electronics. You are being inundated with unwanted advice and opinion all the time on the internet and on TV. When you're done plug your ears and say "I can't hear you". April / 2016: Cipralex 10 mg, Mirtazapine 30 mg, Lyrica 600 mg, Diazepam 20 mg, Bystolic 5 mg 2018: Lots of polypharmacy which is undocumented here. Started and stopped several drugs and changed doses of existing ones August / 2018: Back on track! Cipralex 15 mg, Mirtazapine 7.5 mg, Diazepam 15 mg September 2018: Cipralex 15 mg -> 12.5 mg October 2018: Cipralex 12.5 mg -> 10 mg, Mirtazapine 7.5 mg -> 3.75 mg -> Stopped, Diazepam 15 mg November 2019: Cipralex 5 mg, Diazepam 10 mg Link to comment
degen12 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 No means no. You don't need to understand why I'm saying no, just that I am Slow down there, I didn't just grab you inappropriately. By using language like, volient, and "no means no", I find you offensive for trivializing the the plight of people who deal with real violence. April / 2016: Cipralex 10 mg, Mirtazapine 30 mg, Lyrica 600 mg, Diazepam 20 mg, Bystolic 5 mg 2018: Lots of polypharmacy which is undocumented here. Started and stopped several drugs and changed doses of existing ones August / 2018: Back on track! Cipralex 15 mg, Mirtazapine 7.5 mg, Diazepam 15 mg September 2018: Cipralex 15 mg -> 12.5 mg October 2018: Cipralex 12.5 mg -> 10 mg, Mirtazapine 7.5 mg -> 3.75 mg -> Stopped, Diazepam 15 mg November 2019: Cipralex 5 mg, Diazepam 10 mg Link to comment
degen12 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 As to my tone, it was sarcastic, and I belately but sincerely apologize to you for that. April / 2016: Cipralex 10 mg, Mirtazapine 30 mg, Lyrica 600 mg, Diazepam 20 mg, Bystolic 5 mg 2018: Lots of polypharmacy which is undocumented here. Started and stopped several drugs and changed doses of existing ones August / 2018: Back on track! Cipralex 15 mg, Mirtazapine 7.5 mg, Diazepam 15 mg September 2018: Cipralex 15 mg -> 12.5 mg October 2018: Cipralex 12.5 mg -> 10 mg, Mirtazapine 7.5 mg -> 3.75 mg -> Stopped, Diazepam 15 mg November 2019: Cipralex 5 mg, Diazepam 10 mg Link to comment
johnmtz Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Hi FreeSpirit, I know it is expensive but I've gone to Seattle many times to get second opinions. I had to go many times for my eyes since getting an ophthalmologist here would take 6 months. But Swedish is known for cancer docs and University of Washington. Get a second opinion from a well known clinic on this kind of thing. Your right, it could be a false positive. Hi John, Thanks for your thoughts. I'm still investigating possibilities. Once I can have a conversation with an intelligent doc here, I'll have a better idea of how to proceed. I'm leaning towards asking for a repeat of the initial test, and not jumping for a colonoscopy at this point. I'm afraid I don't have much more confidence in US doctors, given some of my past experiences and those of family. At the moment, I'm more or less dumping all of western medicine in the toilet. I know I'll have to adjust from that...but just where I am right now. Oh, I won't trust US doctors or any doctor...medicine in general is still in the stone age. I was only thinking of the radiology exam. Perhaps you could get it quicker and more accurately. You need to always cross check results from a lab. Never take one lab's (doctor's) results. You need 3 tests to cross check. The probability for two out of three to be false would be very, very, very small. But one lab, it is very possible. And the same lab again could just be a repeat of the same bad results. So I use more than one lab to cross check. But yes, forget doctors in the US...they are just as incompetent as Canadian doctors. Both slaves to big pharma and general ignorance of the deep minutiae of cellular biology. Although, to give them some credit, medical science is painfully slow to discover anything since it seems that Facebook and wars in the Middle East appear to attract more investment money than research in medicine. But Please cross check with more than one lab. Not the same one. Mirtazapine since 2008: I started January 2008 on approx 4 mg per night. 2010, I was on 7,5 mg per night 2012, I went up to 15 mg 2013 up to 45 mg on some nights 2013 to 2014 on Zolpidem 10 mg Jan 2014 off of Zolpidem C/T Jan 2014 down to 15 mg Mirt Feb 2015 back up to between 30 to 45 mg per night Late Feb 2015 started fast taper from 45 to 0 mg. 30 day taper. C/T March 25 Using supplements but have withdrawals problems Link to comment
freespirit Posted July 17, 2015 Author Share Posted July 17, 2015 Thanks John, I never thought of that regarding the same lab. But I've come to be highly suspicious of even test results. One thing I've been looking at is private clinics in Vancouver for the colon screening. Some provide a less invasive scan, rather than the scope. There are mixed reviews on whether it is as accurate or not. They can't provide treatment if something is found, meaning the colonoscopy would be necessary after. But the prep is much milder, no drugs are needed for the scan, and some say, it is more accurate in finding smaller polyps. I'd have to pay of course and it is pricy..but something worth considering, if it seemed necessary down the road. I suspect I'd be able to get in a lot sooner, though I haven't inquired yet. Remeron for depression. Started at 7.5 mg. in 2005. Gradual increases over 8 years, up to 45 mg. in 2012.Began tapering in June 2013. Went from 45 to 30 mg in the first 3-4 months. Held for a couple of months.Started tapering by 3.75 mg every month or 2, with some longer holding periods. Eventually went down to 3.75 mg. about April 2014. Stopped taking Remeron August 2014. Developed issues with histamine a week after stopping--symptoms reduced through diet and a few supplements. Currently having issues with a few foods. Most of the histamine intolerance has resolved or is at least, in remission. Current Medications: Current Supplements: Cannabis (CBD and THC), Vitamin C, D, Quercetin, CoQ10, Tart Cherry, Probiotic, Phytoplankton oil, magnesium, Methyl B. What has helped me most: spending time in nature, qi gong, exercise, healthy diet, meditation, IV vitamins, homeopathy, massage, acupuncture, chiropractic, music, and cuddling my cats.. My introduction: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/8459-mirtazapine-withdrawal-freespirit/#entry144282 Please note: I am not a therapist or medical practitioner. Any suggestions offered come solely from my personal experience in recovering from childhood trauma, therapy, and AD use. Please seek appropriate care for yourself. “After a cruel childhood, one must reinvent oneself. Then re-imagine the world.” ― Mary Oliver Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted July 17, 2015 Administrator Share Posted July 17, 2015 degen, chill. It seems you and freespirit don't get along. Please respect her wishes and post elsewhere. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
degen12 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 This is confusing to me, Alto, but I will not post here anymore. Sorry for the trouble. April / 2016: Cipralex 10 mg, Mirtazapine 30 mg, Lyrica 600 mg, Diazepam 20 mg, Bystolic 5 mg 2018: Lots of polypharmacy which is undocumented here. Started and stopped several drugs and changed doses of existing ones August / 2018: Back on track! Cipralex 15 mg, Mirtazapine 7.5 mg, Diazepam 15 mg September 2018: Cipralex 15 mg -> 12.5 mg October 2018: Cipralex 12.5 mg -> 10 mg, Mirtazapine 7.5 mg -> 3.75 mg -> Stopped, Diazepam 15 mg November 2019: Cipralex 5 mg, Diazepam 10 mg Link to comment
MissTrish Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Free, I am excited you are moving on and forward on this whole doctor issue! 1986-2005: Limbitrol (15 Librium/ 50 Elavil combo) 1986-2005, 2005-successfully tapered Librium January of 2009-2011: Mirtazapine 30 mg; Cymbalta 60 mg; tapered cymbalta fall/winter of 2011/12 March 2012-March 2014: Mirtazapine, and various trials of Celexa, Zoloft, Wellbutrin and Lexapro; began Lexapro taper 9/18/14-Lexapro .7 mg; Mirtazapine 30 mg; 9/29/14 ditched Lexapro; added 25 mg Nortryptyline began mirtazapine taper 11/4/14: Mirtazapine 15 mg; Nortryptyline about 12.5 mg; 1/17/15: Mirtazapine 7.5 mg; Nortryptyline 2.5 mg, then jumped nortryptyline. 2/10: Mirtazapine 1.875, 2/11: Re-established at 6.75, 3/19-6.0 mg, 4/9-5.8, 4/17-6.3; 4/21 tried to re-establish at 7.5 4/23/15-Back to 5.8; 5/5-5.1mg; 5/16-4.6 mg; 5/24-4.2 mg; 6/2-3.9 mg; 6/9-3.6 mg; 6/16-3.3 mg; 6/23-3 mg 6/28-2.8 mg; 7/2-2.5 mg; 7/4-Jumped, due to increased misery from the drug itself. In a spell of panic due to agitation and insomnia, went through a few days each of 10, then 5 mg amitryptyline and 5 mg librium. Did not work out well. Horrible insomnia now. Link to comment
freespirit Posted July 23, 2015 Author Share Posted July 23, 2015 Me too. I cancelled my appt. with the old doctor, which was supposed to be tomorrow. A local doc has agreed to take me on, because my friend petitioned him on my behalf. He is said to be concerned with overall health, very willing to make referrals, and is not a pill-pusher. I'm enormously relieved. I'm going down to the old office on Friday to fill out a form to request my medical records. Curious as to what's in there, what the doc said about my going off meds, etc. I'll keep a copy for myself and take the file to the new doc. I'm just waiting for them to call me regarding an appointment. I'll make every effort to maintain a good relationship with the new doc. My needs these days for western medicine is minimal, so I hope that works in my favor. I think it will be healthy for me to have a fresh start, and not be thinking about my wife every time I have a doctor's visit. At the moment, I'm feeling pretty certain that the positive test I had was simply inflammation and related to digestive issues of wd. Hopefully, I can soon put that to rest for certain. Remeron for depression. Started at 7.5 mg. in 2005. Gradual increases over 8 years, up to 45 mg. in 2012.Began tapering in June 2013. Went from 45 to 30 mg in the first 3-4 months. Held for a couple of months.Started tapering by 3.75 mg every month or 2, with some longer holding periods. Eventually went down to 3.75 mg. about April 2014. Stopped taking Remeron August 2014. Developed issues with histamine a week after stopping--symptoms reduced through diet and a few supplements. Currently having issues with a few foods. Most of the histamine intolerance has resolved or is at least, in remission. Current Medications: Current Supplements: Cannabis (CBD and THC), Vitamin C, D, Quercetin, CoQ10, Tart Cherry, Probiotic, Phytoplankton oil, magnesium, Methyl B. What has helped me most: spending time in nature, qi gong, exercise, healthy diet, meditation, IV vitamins, homeopathy, massage, acupuncture, chiropractic, music, and cuddling my cats.. My introduction: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/8459-mirtazapine-withdrawal-freespirit/#entry144282 Please note: I am not a therapist or medical practitioner. Any suggestions offered come solely from my personal experience in recovering from childhood trauma, therapy, and AD use. Please seek appropriate care for yourself. “After a cruel childhood, one must reinvent oneself. Then re-imagine the world.” ― Mary Oliver Link to comment
Frustrated Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 I wish I had the guts to get a new doctor. My doctor is so terrible but I am so afraid of ending up with a worse one. Good for you. I hope it serves you well. 2002-put on amitryptiline for fibromyalgia. 10mg.2004-stopped abruptly. Didn't think it helped.2006 approx.-put on Paxil for mild anxiety 20 mg.2007 upped to 40 mg. not sure why.2011- tapered from 40 to 10. went nuts and went back to 20mg2014- tapered from 20mg to 0 from April to The end of June.current meds- Metformin(type 2 diabetic) and low dose aspirin.Take multi vitamin and vit b12, vit. D and magnesium. 5 months off Paxil. Still suffering.recently added 1.2mg of Paxil to alleviate withdrawals.(Nov 30)Dropped to .9mg because having symptoms from reinstatement.(dec 23)<p>taper to .76mg-.8mg (Feb 3) approx. weight .010 to about .008-.009 on scale..6mg (march 19th.) .5mg(April 19th).4mg(April 27th).2 (June 27th) 0mg. done taper at beginning of August. Link to comment
freespirit Posted July 23, 2015 Author Share Posted July 23, 2015 I really understand that frustrated. I was afraid of that as well. Even if this guy turns out to be not that great, at least I don't have a long and messy history with him. My friend has been seeing him for years, along with her whole family..and his online reviews are very favorable. Of course, there's always the unknown...which is whether I'll be able to relate to him. I wish there was a way to remove from medical records any trace of taking ad. This last guy wasn't the first to show a prejudice because of taking the stupid drugs. Once you've been on them, docs seem to only be able to see you through 1 lens--that you are a "depressed person". And then, they become unwilling to investigate or treat you based on anything else. Once I've gotten my medical records, I intend to write a letter to the old doc..as well as to the one who first put me on meds. I know it will have zero impact on them...but it's something I need to do for myself. At least I will have stood up and said what I need to say. Remeron for depression. Started at 7.5 mg. in 2005. Gradual increases over 8 years, up to 45 mg. in 2012.Began tapering in June 2013. Went from 45 to 30 mg in the first 3-4 months. Held for a couple of months.Started tapering by 3.75 mg every month or 2, with some longer holding periods. Eventually went down to 3.75 mg. about April 2014. Stopped taking Remeron August 2014. Developed issues with histamine a week after stopping--symptoms reduced through diet and a few supplements. Currently having issues with a few foods. Most of the histamine intolerance has resolved or is at least, in remission. Current Medications: Current Supplements: Cannabis (CBD and THC), Vitamin C, D, Quercetin, CoQ10, Tart Cherry, Probiotic, Phytoplankton oil, magnesium, Methyl B. What has helped me most: spending time in nature, qi gong, exercise, healthy diet, meditation, IV vitamins, homeopathy, massage, acupuncture, chiropractic, music, and cuddling my cats.. My introduction: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/8459-mirtazapine-withdrawal-freespirit/#entry144282 Please note: I am not a therapist or medical practitioner. Any suggestions offered come solely from my personal experience in recovering from childhood trauma, therapy, and AD use. Please seek appropriate care for yourself. “After a cruel childhood, one must reinvent oneself. Then re-imagine the world.” ― Mary Oliver Link to comment
johnmtz Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Hi Freespirit, I was thinking of writing a letter to BC Health (perhaps ombudsman) or Human Rights of BC vis-a-vis the terrible way doctors here in BC just over prescribe AD without any regard to using counselling. You see, AD's are cheap for the medical system. Drugs are far cheaper than the more expensive counsellors. It has clearly been shown that counselling is just as effective as AD's. But that would be far more expensive. So we are being over-prescribed to save the province money. The BC government has violated our human rights by subjecting us to this "treatment" methodology. Family docs are also not qualified to hand the stuff out like candy (which they do). I feel that maybe we all should combine ourselves into one letter and send it to the BC Health ombudsman and complain (as well as the Human Right's commission) that people with depression get abused by this over prescribing. You know the funny thing is that you can't even get a prescription for Valium or some other benzo but you can get tonnes of AD drugs and other psychotropic drugs without even the doc hesitating. You can get sleeping pills. So it is contradictory that a benzo is seen as additive and bad but AD are ok at any dose and for years. That logic just is ridiculous, flawed and must change. Maybe we should get some people here to sign a petition and give it to the BC government complaining that the mental health here sux beyond belief and does not treat depression with compassion and use other means besides drugs. Writing one doctor to complain will do nothing. Perhaps writing a government agency will do nothing but at least it will be recorded (by law) and will possibly force a review. And when a group of people complain, it is a lot stronger voice than one. And not complaining at all will let business as usual continue. Mirtazapine since 2008: I started January 2008 on approx 4 mg per night. 2010, I was on 7,5 mg per night 2012, I went up to 15 mg 2013 up to 45 mg on some nights 2013 to 2014 on Zolpidem 10 mg Jan 2014 off of Zolpidem C/T Jan 2014 down to 15 mg Mirt Feb 2015 back up to between 30 to 45 mg per night Late Feb 2015 started fast taper from 45 to 0 mg. 30 day taper. C/T March 25 Using supplements but have withdrawals problems Link to comment
direstraits Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 just wanted to say "hi" and I'm thinking of you-hope you're OK, XO went on Prozac 1994-99,60mg.poopout ct back on 2001-2002,prozac weekly 2002,not working,Effexor 75 mg.?2003-mar.2004 gaining weight 8wk. taper,wellbutrin 150 mg.mar. -may 2004 ctmedfree til july 2005 back to Prozac gaining weight again,back on wellbutrin jan.2006150-300 mg.bad constipation.also was taking aygestin(hormone)perimenopausal irregular bleeding.back on Prozac around sept,?2006,hysterectomy jan30.2007(adenomyosis)off&on Prozac til 2009,citalopram about 1 mo, April 2010 no effect,Effexor again may -mar, 2011.ct,Prozac aug,-dec, 2011 &sept-nov 2012,paroxetine oct,23 2013-may 4 2014 20 mgs.tapered 6 wks.-failed RI in Oct.2014-in protracted WD.started 10 mgs. Fluoxetine May 25 2021 .Stopped fluoxetine May 2022 at 5 mgs. Link to comment
AliG Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Hi F, Thank you for your support, care & concern. It's very different here. we are not beholden to our doctors. We can change , very easily. I only "use", mine now , for "blood tests", etc. I know what I want & just ask for it . I know they do not know more than me. In fact, it's the opposite. I know more than them. I think we have to be our own "health advocates". At this stage, I think we all know more than them. That is certainly, how I think , at this stage. I am not on any "medications" & plan on keeping it that way. The more I can stay away from Doctors & the "medical establishment", the better & healthier, I will be. I know that now. Many SSRI's and SSNRI's over 20 years. Zoloft for 7 years followed by Effexor, Lexapro, Prozac, Cymbalta, Celexa, Pristiq, Valdoxan, Mianserin and more - on and off. No tapering. Cold turkey off Valdoxan - end of May 2014 Psych Drug - free since May 2014 . Link to comment
direstraits Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 yes,I've lost faith in Drs. at this point-don't even wanna see them at all but know I have to,eventually. such a sad state of affairs.I don't think GPs should have ever been able to prescribe ADs to begin with;they're simply not qualified! went on Prozac 1994-99,60mg.poopout ct back on 2001-2002,prozac weekly 2002,not working,Effexor 75 mg.?2003-mar.2004 gaining weight 8wk. taper,wellbutrin 150 mg.mar. -may 2004 ctmedfree til july 2005 back to Prozac gaining weight again,back on wellbutrin jan.2006150-300 mg.bad constipation.also was taking aygestin(hormone)perimenopausal irregular bleeding.back on Prozac around sept,?2006,hysterectomy jan30.2007(adenomyosis)off&on Prozac til 2009,citalopram about 1 mo, April 2010 no effect,Effexor again may -mar, 2011.ct,Prozac aug,-dec, 2011 &sept-nov 2012,paroxetine oct,23 2013-may 4 2014 20 mgs.tapered 6 wks.-failed RI in Oct.2014-in protracted WD.started 10 mgs. Fluoxetine May 25 2021 .Stopped fluoxetine May 2022 at 5 mgs. Link to comment
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