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Hi everyone,

Just wondering what others do when they get a bad cold or flu while coping with serious w/d symptoms.

Also, how do you tell what's a withdrawal symptom and what's from the cold/flu?

It can be hard to separate what's from what, but I'm pretty certain I have a virus because my whole family is suffering from some of the same symptoms...

Goldy's (18yr old) history:

07-08: Lexapro, Wellbutrin, Effexor, Cymbalta--All withdrawn abrubtly. Only had bad w/d symptoms from Cymbalta. 08-'11- Prescribed Geodon, took until October '11, gradually withdrawn randomly from 120mg-70mg , naturopath helped w/d the rest with GF diet and neuroscience :/.

09-now: Lorazepam, doctor ct'ed from 3mg in Oct '11 until Dec '11 [HORRID!], reinstated to 3mg.

Zoloft: overstimulation effects on dec 20th '11, naturopath ct'ed it, reinstated to 25mg

Now: Suffering terrible symptoms continously from 08-now, now on 20mg Zoloft, 3mg Ativan.

-PLEASE HELP ME FIND A DOC! PM ME.-

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1601-goldy-reduced-zoloft-too-fast/page__gopid__15777

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Hi Goldy,

 

Sorry to hear your none too well right now, the things with wd is this, if people around you have the same symptoms you can be pretty sire that you have indeed gort the same things going on. How do you survive, well you be kind to yourself with paracetemol, warm lemon and honey and drinks, sleep when you need to, and plenty of rest - make sure to stay warm, and know this will pass, hope to hear you feel better soon, take care.

Began taking 30mg Seroxat on 15th Jan 1997 for grief issues. Remained at that dosage until Dec 05, did doctor ct, akathesia set in along with being non functional and overly emotional, brain fog. Doctor prescribed prozac, propranelol and diazeapam to counteract side effects, and told me to ct those 3 after 2.5/3 months use, induced wd seizure on 2nd day after ct. Was reinstated on seroxat 20mg in april 06, remained at that dose until Nov 07 and began a very slow taper lasting 56 months, finally DRUG FREE on 11th may 2011.

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Hi Goldy. I just went through a flu and it did set me back in the w/d for 2 days. I knew it was the flu because of the fever. But it also affected my mental pain same as when I first started withdrawing. I drank tons of water and took Echinacea. I didn't eat hardly at all and I tried to sleep as much as I could. I also took Arnica 30C homeopathy, plus Stramonium 200C to help with the mental and emotional issues. Fortunately it only lasted 2 days and then I was back on track.

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  • 1 year later...

I'm just starting to come down with my first cold and/or flu of 2013. Yippie!

I'm noticing how similar some of the initial symptoms of the virus are to some of the wd symptoms of effexor. I have mostly stablized since my last drop. But right now I am feeling that tiredness/blured vision/headachy and almost "electric" sensation through my body and forehead usually reserved for effexor wd.

This has happened every time I've come down with something over the last 12.5 years of effexor. But i recall the sensation was about the same before i was on it.

Just wanted to mention the similarities are uncanny. It's really strange why they're almost identical. Does anybody else experience the same thing?

2001 september - Effexor XR 75 mg, Seroquel 250 mg
2001 november - Effexor XR 150 mg
2003 - Replaced Seroquel with 20 mg Nozinan
2005 - Discontinued anti-psycotic medications for good
2009 january - Started having panic attacks
2009 - split 150 mg Effexor XR into 75 mg twice daily
2010 - Occasionally Clonazapam and Adivan for panic attacks
2012 - Realization that Effexor no longer works, and may even be having adverse reactions to it.
2012 October 18 - Begin slow taper (1 bead removed from each morning and evening 75mg capsule), February 18, 2013 - 140 beads per pill (X2 per day) (About 65%), 2013 November 16 - 70 beads per pill (X2 per day) (32.5%), 2014 September - 27 beads per pill (X2 per day) (12.5%) November 2 2015 - 1 bead per day (0.23% of original dose) and SLOWLY spacing doses out 25 hours, then 26, 28, currently 29hrs
November 2014 at 200mg Welbutrin

February 21st, 2016 - Last dose of Effexor forever

Monday, March 7, 2016 - Started decreasing Wellbutrin, currently at >25mg once a day

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Yes! I've noticed this too. Aside from the psychological dimensions, and some of the stranger head sensations, withdrawal feels quite a bit like the flu.

 

Needless to say, I prefer the flu.

3 Years 150 mgs Effexor

2 month taper down to zero

3 terrible weeks at zero

Back up to 75 mgs

2 months at 75

6 or so months back to regular dose of 150 - was able to restabilize fine.

3 month taper back to zero

1 HORRENDOUS week at zero

2 days back up to 37.5

3 days back up to 75

One week at 150 - unable to stabilize.

Back down to 75 mgs

At 75 mgs (half original dose) and suffering withdrawal symptoms since October 2012.

 

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Personally, I wouldn't liken Effexor withdrawal to the flu. Cold/ flus usually start in the head for me, with a sore throat and congestion; whereas, Effexor is like getting hit with waves of dizziness and the constant headache that makes it hard to do anything. Both do make me want to sleep, though.

 

Hope you get over you illness soon!

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Started Lamictal

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Stopped Zoloft end of Sept 2014

Started Zoloft July 2014, 50mg

Stopped Prozac from 3mg May 2014

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The human body has only a limited number of ways to get rid of toxins, so it makes sense to me that a cold or flu and withdrawal would have many of the same symptoms. I think that's why it's so difficult to correctly diagnose much of anything unless there are one or two really oddball symptoms that predominate.

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What can I take? 

 

Normally I don't take anything for colds but this one is bad. I have a terrible sinus headache and I feel weak and dizzy. Hardly slept last night.

 

I'm scared to take anything due to sensitivity issues.

Started Fluoxetine Jan. 2010

Tried to go off of it in Sept. 2010

Weaned too fast and was back on it by Nov. 2010

Didn't work as good the second time around.

Started to wean again in Nov. 2011 and was off for good by April? 2012

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Do you ever use a Netti Pot? You can find them at most pharmacies. They come with a powder that you mix with warm water. You then rinse out your sinuses with it. It's very natural and unless you have a sensitivity to salt or baking soda I don't think you would have a problem with it. It takes a few times to get the hang of it, but it really is effective for me.

 

Jan. 1994 Pamelor

2000 switched to Zoloft 

2011 Zoloft pooped out- Dr. switched me directly to Lexapro15mg -had a horrible 6mths

2013 upped Lexapro to 20 mgs-pooped out

June 2013 Dr. added 150 Wellbutrin to Lexapro.

July 2013 Switched back to Zoloft 100mgs.Was still taking Wellbutrin. Lots of anxiety from the Wellbutrin

July 2013 Started to wean Wellbutrin- off by Sept.

Oct. 2013 added 400 mgs of Neurotin to the Zoloft

Jan 2014 Tapered off of the Zoloft and onto Prozac 30 mgs. Also still taking 400 mgs Neurotin

Feb 2014 Reduced Prozac to 13 mgs. Still taking 400 mgs Neurotin

Aug. 2014 Prozac 13 mgs. Finished with Neurotin. .7 Risperadol

 

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Do you ever use a Netti Pot? You can find them at most pharmacies. They come with a powder that you mix with warm water. You then rinse out your sinuses with it. It's very natural and unless you have a sensitivity to salt or baking soda I don't think you would have a problem with it. It takes a few times to get the hang of it, but it really is effective for me.

How does that work Zoe? I've never heard of it and have sinus problems occasionally, sounds worth a try.

 

Hope the cold is soon away Dunerbug. I take hot lemon with a drop of whiskey and honey in it. Alcohol isn't

recommended in withdrawal but it's just a teaspoon and seems to help me, in the mug of hot lemon though,

not neat!  I would be drunk as a skunk if I took it neat! 

**I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge.

 

 

Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem)

1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat

2002  effexor. 

Tapered  March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads.

Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013

Restarted taper  Nov 2013  

OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015    :D 

Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014

 

Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg  

 July 2017 30mg.  May 15 2018 25mg

Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. 

 

My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33

 

Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible

 

 

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I just googled, never seen that before and think I might try that next time my sinuses get blocked.

**I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge.

 

 

Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem)

1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat

2002  effexor. 

Tapered  March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads.

Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013

Restarted taper  Nov 2013  

OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015    :D 

Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014

 

Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg  

 July 2017 30mg.  May 15 2018 25mg

Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. 

 

My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33

 

Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible

 

 

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Thanks! I'll see it I can find it.

 

Are there any cold meds that are more gentle, that might help me sleep?

Started Fluoxetine Jan. 2010

Tried to go off of it in Sept. 2010

Weaned too fast and was back on it by Nov. 2010

Didn't work as good the second time around.

Started to wean again in Nov. 2011 and was off for good by April? 2012

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I think low dose aspirin is fairly safe for headache and aches and pains.  Camomile tea can sometimes help with sleep.  I find a hot honey and lemon drink is soothing for a cold, also, breathing steam can act as a decongestant, and vicks menthol rub, do you have that in the States?  Its a mentholated ointment you rub on your chest and the vapors act like a decongestant.

 

I hope you feel better soon.

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DX ADHD followed by several years of stimulants and other drugs trying to manage increasing symptoms

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I just remembered something I saw on tv, rub vicks on the soles of the

feet and cover with cotton socks. several people were interviewed who said it

worked for them and their children.

**I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge.

 

 

Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem)

1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat

2002  effexor. 

Tapered  March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads.

Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013

Restarted taper  Nov 2013  

OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015    :D 

Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014

 

Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg  

 July 2017 30mg.  May 15 2018 25mg

Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. 

 

My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33

 

Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible

 

 

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My Grandma used to use vapo rub all the time.

 

She used to make us kids use it too.......For everything! LOL!

Started Fluoxetine Jan. 2010

Tried to go off of it in Sept. 2010

Weaned too fast and was back on it by Nov. 2010

Didn't work as good the second time around.

Started to wean again in Nov. 2011 and was off for good by April? 2012

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I guess I should update.

 

My cold is gone. It was my first full fledged cold since going off the med.

 

It was very intense, but only lasted for a few days.

 

Interestingly, it happened when I was supposed to be on my period. I ended up being 8 days late! (not normal for me)

 

I'm thankful though, because it would have been a lot to handle at once. As soon as my cold left, my period finally started......Weird month this has been.

Started Fluoxetine Jan. 2010

Tried to go off of it in Sept. 2010

Weaned too fast and was back on it by Nov. 2010

Didn't work as good the second time around.

Started to wean again in Nov. 2011 and was off for good by April? 2012

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Glad you are feeling better, Dunerbug!  I think I'm going to have to make a Vicks run.  I did not have a cold, I believe, for 6 years, while on my "cocktail", but this is my second one, now getting more like a sinus infection, since August.  I hope that means my cortisol levels are dropping.

1st round Prozac 1989/90, clear depression symptoms. 2nd round Prozac started 1999 when admitted to dr. I was tired. Prozac pooped out, switch to Cymbalta 3/2006. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder due to mania 6/2006--then I was taken abruptly off Cymbalta and didn't know I had SSRI withdrawal. Lots of meds for my intractable "bipolar" symptoms.

Zyprexa started about 9/06, mostly 5mg. Tapered 4/12 through12/29/12

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9/4/13 Toprol-XL 25mg daily for sudden hypertension, tapered 11.12.13 through 5.3.14, last 10 days or so switched to atenolol

7.4.14 Started Walsh Protocol

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Ok, I did the Vicks socks, and a potion of camomile tea, the juice of half a lemon, a heaping tbsp. of honey, and a tbsp. of homemade vanilla extract which is actually 100-proof vodka. Slept straight through until 3 minutes before the alarm...but not doing it tonight because of the alcohol-benzo interaction.

1st round Prozac 1989/90, clear depression symptoms. 2nd round Prozac started 1999 when admitted to dr. I was tired. Prozac pooped out, switch to Cymbalta 3/2006. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder due to mania 6/2006--then I was taken abruptly off Cymbalta and didn't know I had SSRI withdrawal. Lots of meds for my intractable "bipolar" symptoms.

Zyprexa started about 9/06, mostly 5mg. Tapered 4/12 through12/29/12

Wellbutrin. XL 300 mg started 1/07, tapered 1/18/13 through 7/8/13

Oxazepam mostly continuously since 6/06, 30mg since 12/12, tapered 1.17.14 through 8.26.15

11/06 Lithium 600mg twice daily, 2.2.14 400mg TID DIY liquid, 2.12.14 1150mg, 3.2.14 1100mg, 3.18.14 1075mg, 4/14 updose to 1100mg, 6.1.14 900 mg capsules 7.8.14 810mg, 8.17.14 725mg, 8.24.24 700mg...10.22.14 487.5mg, 3.9.15 475mg, 4.1.15 462.5mg 4.21.15 450mg 8.11.15 375mg, 11.28.15 362.5mg, back to 375mg four days later, 3.4.16 updose to 475 (too much going on to risk trouble)

9/4/13 Toprol-XL 25mg daily for sudden hypertension, tapered 11.12.13 through 5.3.14, last 10 days or so switched to atenolol

7.4.14 Started Walsh Protocol

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Great you are feeling better Dunerbug, and great that you had a good nights sleep Meime.

Old remedies are best in my opinion.  I just read about another tonight. WET SOCKS.

I'll see if I can find the link. I will try it with vicks next time I get a cold. 

 

http://www.mindbodygreen.com/0-11994/a-strange-but-effective-at-home-cure-for-the-cold-flu.html

**I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge.

 

 

Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem)

1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat

2002  effexor. 

Tapered  March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads.

Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013

Restarted taper  Nov 2013  

OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015    :D 

Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014

 

Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg  

 July 2017 30mg.  May 15 2018 25mg

Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. 

 

My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33

 

Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible

 

 

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I have a cold right now and I am terrified to put anything in my body that might make my withdrawal symptoms any worse. Can I take a decongestant or will this make it worse not better. I feel like I can't breathe because I am congested and that makes me anxious.

40 years old and have been on 20 mg of Paxil for the last 19 years. Multiple unsuccessful attempts to quit over the years.01/2015 Was tapering using liquid Paxil. MD has prescribed 1 ml = 2mg taper every two weeks or once withdrawal symptoms at that dose subside. Reduced from 20 to 10 mg using this method and at 10 mg severe withdrawal set in. 1.5 months of pure hell. Found SA, learned what was happening, and reinstated to 20 mg. After a month of severe symptoms recovered with the reinstatement. Fish oil - Multi Vitamin - Pro-biotic, amino-acid/B Vitamin supplement every day. Magnesium as needed.08/09/15 - 18 mg - 09/08/15 - 16.4 mg - 10/10/15 - 15 mg - 01/02/16 - 13.6 mg 02/15/16 - 12.0 mg - Bad symptom flare up 40 days into drop - Dizziness, panic/anxiety, overheating (esp at night), low appetite, headache, insomnia with bizarre dreams, internal shaking. 04/16/16 - 11mg - 7/17/16 - 10 mg holding.....

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Decongestants, for stuffy nose and sinus congestion and pain, such as Sudafed, can act as stimulants. After all, meth is made with Sudafed as a main ingredient.

 

Antihistamines, for runny nose, itching, and sneezing, usually act as sedatives (but some people get stimulation from them). They can be addicting, and some people use them for sleep. The drug in Benadryl is used in various OTC sleep aids.

 

That's not medical advice--just what I have read and been told and experienced with those types of medicine.

2009: Cancer hospital said I had adjustment disorder because I thought they were doing it wrong. Their headshrinker prescribed Effexor, and my life set on a new course. I didn't know what was ahead, like a passenger on Disneyland's Matterhorn, smiling and waving as it climbs...clink, clink, clink.

2010: Post surgical accidental Effexor discontinuation by nurses, masked by intravenous Dilaudid. (The car is balanced at the top of the track.) I get home, pop a Vicodin, and ...

Whooosh...down, down, down, down, down...goes the trajectory of my life, up goes my mood and tendency to think everything is a good idea.
2012: After the bipolar jig was up, now a walking bag of unrelated symptoms, I went crazy on Daytrana (the Ritalin skin patch by Noven), because ADHD was a perfect fit for a bag of unrelated symptoms. I was prescribed Effexor for the nervousness of it, and things got neurological. An EEG showed enough activity to warrant an epilepsy diagnosis rather than non-epileptic ("psychogenic") seizures.

:o 2013-2014: Quit everything and got worse. I probably went through DAWS: dopamine agonist withdrawal syndrome. I drank to not feel, but I felt a lot: dread, fear, regret, grief: an utter sense of total loss of everything worth breathing about, for almost two years.

I was not suicidal but I wanted to be dead, at least dead to the experience of my own brain and body.

2015: I  began to recover after adding virgin coconut oil and organic grass-fed fed butter to a cup of instant coffee in the morning.

I did it hoping for mental acuity and better memory. After ten days of that, I was much better, mood-wise. Approximately neutral.

And, I experienced drowsiness. I could sleep. Not exactly happy, I did 30 days on Wellbutrin, because it had done me no harm in the past. 

I don't have the DAWS mood or state of mind. It never feel like doing anything if it means standing up.

In fact, I don't especially like moving. I'm a brain with a beanbag body.   :unsure:

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I have had a bad reaction to a cold product containing a decongestant (insomnia, pounding heart, nausea, visual weirdness).  I later found I was able to tolerate a lower dose by using a liquid product that is usually prescribed for kids (Demazin).  I find the liquid better than capsules as I can control the dose.  In recent times I've been able to tolerate a higher dose as my system has been more stable.

 

I haven't had any noticeable problems with antihistamines, but usually I mostly use a nasal spray like Otrivine or Drixine to clear up my nose so I can breathe.  I also use steam inhalations with a drop of eucalyptus oil or Olbas oil, which I find can help with coughs as well.

2001–2002 paroxetine

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Hi everyone,

I noticed something weird - I have a little cold with small fever. Since I caught it, I have very unpleasant dreams. They vary, one was about depression at it's peak (I've visited Breslau during the worst time with withdrawal syndrome - and now I've seen this city in my sleep, I can't even think of Breslau without tears), other dream - I was at work at reception and a computer program I need to deal with clients crashed completely. People were getting annoyed, I was panicking, no one around to help.

The thing is - did you notice any relationship, between, I dunno, worked up immune system and your mental state?

I remembered bronchitis I got ten years back (I was taking setrtaline back then) - whenever fever climbed really high, my OCD was so vivid, so intense, I really wished to die (thankfully, I haven't had any strenght left to even get up due to fever).

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I don't want much with life. I want it leave me alone.

 

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2005 - 2006 – diagnosis: OCD. Meds: sertraline (Setaloft), from 30 mg to 120 mg. Side effects: insomnia, anorexia (psychic inabillity to eat), obesity; some sleep medication (don't remember the name), side effects: halucination. 2007 – sertraline withdrawal by myself. Reducing the dose slowly (120 mg – 90 mg – 60 mg – 30 mg – 0 mg). Felt great for about a year. 2008 – diazepam, taking ocasionally if needed. 2010 – paroxetine (Seroxat, then: Parogen) for OCD. From 20 mg to 40 mg. Side effects: none. Piracetamum (Memotropil), side effects: general weakness. Withdrawal of piracetamum: after two years (none withdrawal syndrome). 2016 – attempt to withdraw paroxetine. Severe depression after month and a half. Insomnia, nervousness, loss of weight. Suicide thoughts. Returning to paroxetine in march. From 10 mg to 20 mg. Side effects: sudden suicide thoughts, serotonine syndrome, panic attacks. Other meds: Clonazepam 0,5 mg for three days (benzodiazepam), side effects: none; Alprazolamum (Xanax): from 0,25 mg to 0,5 mg; side effects: obstruction, acne, period stoppage. Withdraw after a month, side effects: one-day lasting histeria; Trazodonum (Trittico CR): from 75 mg to 25 mg. Side effects: somnolance. 2016, June – dropping the dose of paroxetine from 40 mg to 30 mg. Side effects: mood swings. Withdrawing Trazodonum from 25 mg to 0 mg. Side effects: wide mood swings and fretfulness for about a week; too rapid, don't recommend. Went back to 25 mg of trazodone and 40 mg of paroxetine. 2016, July - dropped trazodone by 10 %, went back to 25 mg after two weeks (cause: depresion). 2016, October - 10% paroxetine drop, leaving trazodone at 25 mg. 2016, November - second 10% paroxetine drop. 2017, October - 25 mg of paroxetine, 25 mg of trazodone. Boredom. Tired. No hope, no joy. For now.

Suplements: vitamins – C (600 mg), D3 (4500 IU), K2 (6400 IU), B15 (50 mg); hawaiian spirulina; fish collagen; fish oil (1 spoon); probiotic; magnesium (50 mg), selenium (200 mcg); flaxseed (1-2 spoons/day); minced milk thistle (1 spoon/day).

Diet: mostly vegan, gluten-free due to doctor's advice. Drinks: water, green tea, cistus incantus.

Books I recommendYour Body Many Cries for Water by Fereydoon Batmanghelidj; Hidden Therapies by Jerzy Zięba; Deadly Medicine and Organized Denial by Peter C. Gøtzsche; The Microbiom Solution by Robynne Chutkan; Urban Shaman and Mastering Your Hidden Self  by Serge Kahili King.

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Ana, have you found that you are intolerant to mess to treat symptoms??? I think hard, difficult dreams/nightmares are normal in withdrawal and so if ill, sure would make sense to me.

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I was hoping to get some guidance here in regards to cold medication. I don't want to consume something that could potentially cause a flare up.  Because I deal with inflammation of the body, it's only natural my worst symptom is the nose stuffing up.  It's unbearable not being able to breathe or have obstructed breathing.  I read that nose sprays can cause anxiety so I'm steering clear of that.  What about those sinus+allergy combos at drugstores?  I want to stay away from cold and flu specific medications because they contain pain killers.

<p>10 years of ssri and finally tapered off in 2 years. Off Celexa by jan/28/2014 and off benzos by March/6th/2014 after only two months use and still experiencing withdrawal symptoms.

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homeopathy.  nux vomica 30c could help.  or go to a homeopath.  buteyko breathing which you could google right now and get some tips that will clear your nose at least temporarily.  don't use that crap at drugstores.  it causes dementia.  or buy the bottles of saline that you squeeze up your nostril and out the other one.  it's quite painless.

 

many years ago given sinequan for depression bad reaction so tiny dose of meleril to balance... quit after a year or so c/t

years pass no drugs

reg doc had me try all of the  a/d bc of upset due to divorce.  couldn't handle any.  took klonopin to sleep .5 mg  2003

taper klonopin

hooked on tramadol accidentally. 2006-2008 husband had migraines and took them like candy. so i became dependent too.  c/t  2008

diagnosis of porphyria after years of symptoms,  then toxic event made me really ill.

 

gabapentin 300mg every 3 hours , 6x day.

propranolol   180 mg  6x / day

since 2012

clonazepam prescribed as 1 mg / day  but beginning to take more to deal with withdrawals and sleeplessness

 

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Thanks Chrona!  I forgot about homepathy.  I've tried other remedies for my chronic illness and it caused aggravations which scared me a bit but I'll look into this.

<p>10 years of ssri and finally tapered off in 2 years. Off Celexa by jan/28/2014 and off benzos by March/6th/2014 after only two months use and still experiencing withdrawal symptoms.

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I got hit with the flu a couple of weeks ago -- nausea, exhaustion, muscle and join pains, etc. I feel like my ongoing withdrawal symptoms are so much worse right now. This is not the "Paxil flu" (symptoms primary to withdrawal) but rather a regular flu virus. I feel so hopeless at times because of how long my symptoms are lingering. The fatigue, muscle/joint pain, and depression have gotten worse. The light flashes when blinking have returned, and I haven't had that symptom in months. Regular illnesses like flus are worse when in withdrawal from meds. I get what I call "suicidal headaches" (severe headaches with neck pain) when I get sick. (Don't worry, I'm safe. It's just a distressing thing to go through).

 

I feel like withdrawal makes the flu soooooo much worse than it otherwise would be. It's a stress on the body, and it reminds me how compensated my body is. I don't like feeling compensated. :(

--Current supplements: Fish oil 1000 mg x4 (split into 2 doses of 1000 mg); Vit. D 2,000 iu once daily; 2-3 tsp coconut oil daily

--3/14/20: Re-discontinued gabapentin after 2 weeks, due to agitation

--2/27/20: Reinstated Kpin .5mg and also briefly reinstated gabapentin 300mg. 2x/daily, to help with side effects (Kpin dose usually taken in a.m. between 5-8 a.m.; gabapentin once in a.m. and once around 6 p.m.)

--2/13/20: Tried reducing Kpin down to .375mg due to dysphoric side effects; tried to CT but started hallucinating again after 4 days

--1/23/20: Placed on daily .5mg dose of Klonopin

--From July 2017-Jan. 2020: PRN Klonopin 1mg. :  up to 1x/day:  sometimes weeks without it, sometimes 1-2x/week, sometimes 4-5x/week; tried to CT in Jan. 2020 and ended up in hospital with delirium and hallucinations

--November 2019: Weaned down gabapentin approx. 100 mg. per week and discontinued it

--August 7, 2019-10/18/19: Reduced Trintellix from 10mg. down to zero (insurance stopped paying for it - I couldn't afford it).

--February 2019-11/30/19: Reduced nortriptyline from 75 mg. to zero

--As of February 2019:  Meds were 10 mg. (1x/day) Trintellix, 75 mg. (1x/day) nortriptyline, and 600 mg. gabapentin

--1992 through 2018: On various cocktails of meds, starting with anafranil

 

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Hi delsol,

I’m recovering from the actual flu, also. I’ve noticed the same thing! I’m happy to see I’m not the only one experiencing this, and at the same time, I’m so sorry to know you are having worsening symptoms. 

My ability to bounce back quickly feels very compromised. The depression and anxious thoughts are back after being gone for more than a month. Normally, I’d be back to normal by now but I’m still sitting around with no energy. I still have insomnia and can’t sleep very long at a time, which hasn’t helped either. My appetite comes and goes and is mostly gone. I feel unreal and light headed all the time. I live alone and am retired so the isolation during the flu has only added to The depression and anxiousness. 

You’ll be in my thoughts and prayers. I hope we both find a window soon. 

 

Dalalea's Introduction

Off All SSRI Medications: Effexor 2010 one month
Sertraline 50 mg. but only took 25 mg. daily because of dizziness. 2010 to July 2017

Tapered over 2 months beginning the 1st of June 2017 -- Off Sertraline by July 30, 2017

Current Medication: Losartan (blood pressure), Albuterol (for asthma- only as needed)
Current Symptoms: tinnitus, hearing loss in one ear, allergies

My Plan: Prayer, Scripture, Walk, Yoga, Encourage Others, Healthy Eating
Generic SSRI Withdrawal Symptom and Plan Checklists and Graph.xlsx

Current Supplements: Magnesium Threonate, Fish Oil, probiotic, B-12, C, D-3

Current Essential Oils: Frankincense, Bergamot, Orange, Lemon, Lavender, Peppermint, Clove
Current Essential Oil Blends: Brain Power, Clarity, Stress Away

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On 1/19/2018 at 1:00 PM, chrona said:

homeopathy.  nux vomica 30c could help.  or go to a homeopath.  buteyko breathing which you could google right now and get some tips that will clear your nose at least temporarily.  don't use that crap at drugstores.  it causes dementia.  or buy the bottles of saline that you squeeze up your nostril and out the other one.  it's quite painless.

 

Tootsieroll, I understand because I can’t stand having obstructed breathing!  Buteyko has helped me cut way back on my asthma meds. They have a method for clearing nasal passages that really works for me. 

I’m recovering now from the actual flu and worry about all the meds that I’ve had to use the last couple of weeks. I’m going to revisit the Buteyko method to help me with breathing! Thanks for the reminder, Chrona!

Dalalea's Introduction

Off All SSRI Medications: Effexor 2010 one month
Sertraline 50 mg. but only took 25 mg. daily because of dizziness. 2010 to July 2017

Tapered over 2 months beginning the 1st of June 2017 -- Off Sertraline by July 30, 2017

Current Medication: Losartan (blood pressure), Albuterol (for asthma- only as needed)
Current Symptoms: tinnitus, hearing loss in one ear, allergies

My Plan: Prayer, Scripture, Walk, Yoga, Encourage Others, Healthy Eating
Generic SSRI Withdrawal Symptom and Plan Checklists and Graph.xlsx

Current Supplements: Magnesium Threonate, Fish Oil, probiotic, B-12, C, D-3

Current Essential Oils: Frankincense, Bergamot, Orange, Lemon, Lavender, Peppermint, Clove
Current Essential Oil Blends: Brain Power, Clarity, Stress Away

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Hi. I'm tapering gradually psychiatric drugs and right now I'm having a flu with the common symptoms of severe fatigue, body/muscle pain, coughing, nasal mucus, and sneezing. Can you please tell me which medications for curing flu are bad for me so that I have to avoid them because of interacting with my psychiatric drugs or because they act in the nervous system?

Not only allopathic-conventional drugs, but also homeopathic and other alternative type remedies. 

Also what did you take that cured your flu? 

Thank you. 

 

In 2008 I was 16 years old. 2008 - 2010 paxil, clonazepam & semisodium valproate. 2013 - 2017 many psych meds with cold switches and CT's prescribed by psychiatrists.

Nov/30/17 started quetiapine IR tablets 100mg 0-0-1. Dec/1/17 started pristiq 50mg tablets 1-0-0. Jan/14/18 started 1.5mg melatonin 0-0-1

Tramadol: 2 year well done (slow and gradual) taper: from Mar/12/18 to Feb/11/20 

Pristiq taper: Jun/15/20 Converted from pristiq 50mg to efexor xr 75mg for 57 days (felt good).  Aug/11/20 weaned to efexor 37.5mg and stayed there for 2 months with 26 days (felt good). Nov/6/20  CT 0mg of efexor xr (felt good). Total time in tapering pristiq 50mg by converting to efexor xr 75mg: 4 months with 22 days: Jun/15/20 to Nov/6/20. (felt good)

Efexor 0mg and quetiapine 100mg (Nov/6/20 to Dic/11/20) (felt good being without effexor and taking 100mg quetiapine)

Dic/11/20 quetiapine 75mg, so 75mg from Dic/11/20 to Jan/4/21  25 days. Jan/5/21 quetiapine 50mg (1 day in 50mg).

Jan/6/21 1st CT of quetiapine. Mar/1/21 CT melatonin. Felt terrible so Mar/25/21 reinstated 100mg quetiapine. 

100mg quetiapine 19 days (Mar/25/21 - Apr/13/21) Felt good while in quetiapine 100mg. 75mg quetiapine 55 days (Apr/14/21 - Jun/8/21) the 55th day (Jun/8/21)  felt hellish so CT'd quetiapine for a 2nd time on Jun/9/21. 

Jun/9/21 - Nov/16/21 1st days insomnia, anxiety, took cbd and felt very good many days (healed insomnia & anxiety), CT'd ginkgo which made me felt terrible so reinstated ginkgo. Started intolerable back pain (spasm) so tried other herbs along with cbd, then started derealization, panic, indecisiveness, nostalgia & others. Stopped taking cbd & herbs, reinstated quetiapine 75mg Nov/17/21, immediately after taking it, had severe heart palpitations, so Nov/18/21 back to cbd (no quetiapine). Nov/20/21 reinstated 75mg quetiapine (stopped cbd & herbs), severely couldn't breathe for 5 seconds after taking quetiapine 75mg so reduced to 50 mg on Nov/28/21. The 32nd day of quetiapine 50mg (Dec/30/21) started having consistent improvements (almost no DR, no panic and no anxiety & feeling more stable but still having some days severe adverse effects). Jan/20/22 @10pm took cbd instead of quetiapine, felt very bad so reinstated quetiapine 50mg @1am. The 30th day (feb/20/22) started having consistent improvements but some days I had severe adverse effects like involuntary movement of legs caused by severe anxiety and impatience so feb/26/22 did my last try of CT of quetiapine (and of ginkgo), felt awful so reinstated quetiapine 50mg @3am of feb/27/22.  (also reinstated ginkgo 40mg, I know I have to slow taper it too).  I CT'd many times quetiapine because I had developed new severe symptoms/adverse effects and others that I have had for a long time, now became much more extreme and worse so I don't know if I need to stop taking it, I need someone knowledgeable in WD to tell me what to do because I'm not an expert and doctors in my country don't know how to treat WD, I'm willing to pay for a personalized guidance from a moderator of SA or a doctor/health practitioner that has all the knowledge of SA, please help. I don't want to make my own decisions anymore regarding to tapering,

Currently taking:  At 11:30am omega 3 fish oil supplement.

At 9:30pm omega 3 fish oil supplement and magnesium supplement

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  • ChessieCat changed the title to Withdrawals during regular flu (not "antidepressant flu")

Ive been med free for 2.5 years now. Im  still healing. Last 10 months Ive had 3-4 periods of the flu. Every period lasted 1-2 weeks. Before that I had no periods of the flu. Before I started on medicines I rarely had flu periods and if so they lasted for 3 days max.

 

Ive been much more active the last 10 months but Im wondering if anyone else that has healed a lot started to experience flu periods seemingly out of the blue?? 

 

Would be interesting if its a sign the body is starting to work again or something else? 

2015june psyc ward due to psychosis

10 days 10mg zyprexa. stopped cold turkey. side effects were blinking eyes, eyes shut down by themself when going to sleep, restless,hunger. I had natural sleep (6hrs) before zyprexa. Slept exact 8hours with zyprexa.

 

2015july one month after cold turkey(had own sleep during this time exact 8hours every night, felt like zyprexa sleep even though i didnt take it) I lost my sleep over a night and it never came back. 0hours for 7-10days before I had to reinstate zyprexa on 5mg first 2days 10mg 1week 5mg 1week and then stopped CT. maybe also had 7.5 and 2.5 some days dont remember.

 

2015sept/october 3weeks Nitrazepam 1w Theralen build of sleep

 

2016may psyc ward psychoziz. Trilafon injection Immovan 3weekz

 

2016june 1week theralen had some extra sleep but realised its just pushing problem forward i guess

 

2019 Ive now been medicine free for almost 2.5 years (I think last Trilafon injection was 2016 October) and still not fully recovered. I believe my overdose on Zyprexa (20mg + injection) did most damage. 

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Spells of the flu are more likely from exposure to viruses that cause influenza or colds.

 

Not everything is due to withdrawal syndrome.

 

Merged similar topics.

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  • Altostrata changed the title to Colds, cold remedies, and the flu
6 hours ago, Altostrata said:

Spells of the flu are more likely from exposure to viruses that cause influenza or colds.

 

Not everything is due to withdrawal syndrome.

 

Merged similar topics.

Maybe true thats why I created this thread to see if anyone else have experienced anything similiar. What separates my observations from other posters you merged me with

is that this has started 2 years after stopped antipsychotics CT. Right now my post will not do any good since I wasnt looking into flu remedies or anything like that.

 

Im not very used to be needing 1-2-3 weeks to treat a flu so in any case I believe my system is weaker than it was before my antipsychotic journey started.

 

2015june psyc ward due to psychosis

10 days 10mg zyprexa. stopped cold turkey. side effects were blinking eyes, eyes shut down by themself when going to sleep, restless,hunger. I had natural sleep (6hrs) before zyprexa. Slept exact 8hours with zyprexa.

 

2015july one month after cold turkey(had own sleep during this time exact 8hours every night, felt like zyprexa sleep even though i didnt take it) I lost my sleep over a night and it never came back. 0hours for 7-10days before I had to reinstate zyprexa on 5mg first 2days 10mg 1week 5mg 1week and then stopped CT. maybe also had 7.5 and 2.5 some days dont remember.

 

2015sept/october 3weeks Nitrazepam 1w Theralen build of sleep

 

2016may psyc ward psychoziz. Trilafon injection Immovan 3weekz

 

2016june 1week theralen had some extra sleep but realised its just pushing problem forward i guess

 

2019 Ive now been medicine free for almost 2.5 years (I think last Trilafon injection was 2016 October) and still not fully recovered. I believe my overdose on Zyprexa (20mg + injection) did most damage. 

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6 minutes ago, frasier23 said:

Maybe true thats why I created this thread to see if anyone else have experienced anything similiar. What separates my observations from other posters you merged me with

is that this has started 2 years after stopped antipsychotics CT. Right now my post will not do any good since I wasnt looking into flu remedies or anything like that.

 

Im not very used to be needing 1-2-3 weeks to treat a flu so in any case I believe my system is weaker than it was before my antipsychotic journey started.

 

Hi fraiser ,am I correct you like to work out,doing anything like this will prolong the body's ability to heal after/during a cold or flu.the hardest thing can be doing nothing 

Then theres what happens with genes in the body after going through withdrawal,stressI turns genes on and off ,ie viruses and god knows what else..our bodys mite never be the same again like before .most of us over do things when it comes to training from my research.

I doubt ile ever do the same exercise again.

I have a strick hygiene routine in flu season to limit my exposure ,ive got asthma so I can be prone to chest infections.

Alcohol free since February 2015 

1MG diazepam

4.5MG PROZAC.

 

 

 

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Yes I like to train as often I can but never with the flu. Guess youre right that we will never be the same but I was hoping that maybe my flu periods was something good as well. 

2015june psyc ward due to psychosis

10 days 10mg zyprexa. stopped cold turkey. side effects were blinking eyes, eyes shut down by themself when going to sleep, restless,hunger. I had natural sleep (6hrs) before zyprexa. Slept exact 8hours with zyprexa.

 

2015july one month after cold turkey(had own sleep during this time exact 8hours every night, felt like zyprexa sleep even though i didnt take it) I lost my sleep over a night and it never came back. 0hours for 7-10days before I had to reinstate zyprexa on 5mg first 2days 10mg 1week 5mg 1week and then stopped CT. maybe also had 7.5 and 2.5 some days dont remember.

 

2015sept/october 3weeks Nitrazepam 1w Theralen build of sleep

 

2016may psyc ward psychoziz. Trilafon injection Immovan 3weekz

 

2016june 1week theralen had some extra sleep but realised its just pushing problem forward i guess

 

2019 Ive now been medicine free for almost 2.5 years (I think last Trilafon injection was 2016 October) and still not fully recovered. I believe my overdose on Zyprexa (20mg + injection) did most damage. 

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