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17 hours ago, Locuststar said:

Has anyone experienced anything similar? Is this alcoholism or just drug induced?

 

See this:  https://davidhealy.org/out-of-my-mind-driven-to-drink/

 

Many alcoholic drinks are also high in sugar:

 

sugar-cravings-sweets-chocolate-carbs-etc

 

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5 hours ago, ChessieCat said:

 

See this:  https://davidhealy.org/out-of-my-mind-driven-to-drink/

 

Many alcoholic drinks are also high in sugar:

 

sugar-cravings-sweets-chocolate-carbs-etc

 

Thank for the links! This is very interesting and I suspect this is one explanation for my binge drinking 5-6 years ago.

 

On 4/1/2016 at 1:12 AM, brassmonkey said:

Hi tinker-- Drinking while taking ADs is not a good idea.  Been there, done that, almost destroyed my life.  There are several things to keep in mind, the first as CC pointed out is the interaction between the drug and alcohol.  Frequently the drug will intensify the effects of the alcohol while the alcohol can decrease the effectiveness of the drug.  The drug can mask the negative effects of alcohol such as the hangover or the realization that you've had too much.  The drugs also lower ones inhibitions and dull ones common sense leading to risky activities and binging.  And the big one is that many of these drugs actually increase a persons craving for alcohol to an extreme extent, making it very easy to consume way more than what is healthy or polite.

 

Once a person is tapering off of these drugs and is having WD symptoms the whole thing can switch very quickly. To the point that one can of beer or glass of wine can give you the hangover from h*** for several weeks and set off a bad wave of WD symptoms.  We have a large number of members that have experienced this first hand.

 

So after all of that the short answer is: Don't do it.

I guess the whole thing can switch if you have big dose changes also? One major updose caused cravings for me but I could not tolerate alcohol when I tried to drink... So I got the cravings without the relief. 

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Unfortunately, there does not appear to be a clear answer. I just know that alcohol works on the GABA receptors, so it has an influence on neurotransmitters and/or their activity. I am steering completely clear of alcohol during my taper, which is planned for the next few years. I will make an exception for a wedding or a milestone birthday, but even there I will not get drunk. Drinking has sent me into an anxiety spiral recently (New Years) so I'm not touching it for a while.

7 months of prescribed polypharmacy in 2015-2016, including several classes of psych meds.

1st attempt at taper was too fast. 2nd attempt is underway.

1 Mar 2018: 37.5 mg paroxetine, 150 mg lamotrigine, 300 mg quetiapine

1 Oct 2020: 30 mg paroxetine, 150 mg lamotrigine, 37.5 mg quetiapine

15 May 2022: 25 mg paroxetine, 150 mg lamotrigine, 0 mg quetiapine

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On 4/19/2012 at 5:10 PM, drb said:

Hello people-

On David Healy's blog there's a post by Anne-Marie:

http://davidhealy.org/out-of-my-mind-driven-to-drink

In this she explains, in short, that SSRI-medications

(paroxetine, citalopram for her part) can cause

intense craving for alcohol in a person who earlier

had not had an alcohol problem.

 

How common is this problem?

 

How have people come to grips with it?

I had to quit prozac for this exact reason. Was drinking all day every day. Could not stop.....

-Prozac 6 years 20mg(2011-2017)

-3 months off no taper

-reinstatement Citalopram 6 month 10mg(2017)

-3 week taper

-15 months drug free(2018-2019)

-3-4 months numerous ssris,antipsychotics(apr-sep 2019)

-discontinued all except 10mg amitriptyline(sep 2019)

 

 

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Hi RBP!

 

I decided to connect with you on your thread, so we don't colonize the other person's.

 

Just wanted to followup and additionally recommend this YouTube audio talk on acceptance by Eckhart Tolle: https://bit.ly/2HBeynh. I'm constantly revisiting this talk myself.

 

 

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15 minutes ago, SkyStreamer said:

Hi RBP!

 

I decided to connect with you on your thread, so we don't colonize the other person's.

 

Just wanted to followup and additionally recommend this YouTube audio talk on acceptance by Eckhart Tolle: https://bit.ly/2HBeynh. I'm constantly revisiting this talk myself.

 

 

15 minutes ago, SkyStreamer said:

Hi RBP!

 

I decided to connect with you on your thread, so we don't colonize the other person's.

 

Just wanted to followup and additionally recommend this YouTube audio talk on acceptance by Eckhart Tolle: https://bit.ly/2HBeynh. I'm constantly revisiting this talk myself.

 

 

On 4/19/2012 at 5:10 PM, drb said:

Hello people-

On David Healy's blog there's a post by Anne-Marie:

http://davidhealy.org/out-of-my-mind-driven-to-drink

In this she explains, in short, that SSRI-medications

(paroxetine, citalopram for her part) can cause

intense craving for alcohol in a person who earlier

had not had an alcohol problem.

 

How common is this problem?

 

How have people come to grips with it?

I had to quit prozac for this exact reason. Was drinking all day every day. Could not stop.....

-Prozac 6 years 20mg(2011-2017)

-3 months off no taper

-reinstatement Citalopram 6 month 10mg(2017)

-3 week taper

-15 months drug free(2018-2019)

-3-4 months numerous ssris,antipsychotics(apr-sep 2019)

-discontinued all except 10mg amitriptyline(sep 2019)

 

 

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I'll have a listen before bed tonight. Tx

-Prozac 6 years 20mg(2011-2017)

-3 months off no taper

-reinstatement Citalopram 6 month 10mg(2017)

-3 week taper

-15 months drug free(2018-2019)

-3-4 months numerous ssris,antipsychotics(apr-sep 2019)

-discontinued all except 10mg amitriptyline(sep 2019)

 

 

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Can eating food cooked with beer have an affect on symptoms?  I may have eaten some steak that was grilled with a little bit of beer.  I feel like I’m back in acute, but was also starting to feel a decline a few weeks prior to this incident.  I’m not sure what caused it, or if it’s just a wave. 

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After reading your enlightening posts i understood that alcohol is very bad for withdrawal and i didnt have any drink for 5 months and i continue but I want to ask a question. During the first month of withdrawal i didn't know I had withdrawal and I drank several times. i even got drunk a few times.My symptoms have improved a lot and now in the seventh month I'm starting to feel more like myself but I'm afraid that the alcohol I drank in the beginning permanently damaged me and I will not recover fully?Is this possible or does alcohol just slows down the process of recovery? Please answer me I am stressing myself out over this..Thanks in advance

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11 hours ago, tsagg said:

After reading your enlightening posts i understood that alcohol is very bad for withdrawal and i didnt have any drink for 5 months and i continue but I want to ask a question. During the first month of withdrawal i didn't know I had withdrawal and I drank several times. i even got drunk a few times.My symptoms have improved a lot and now in the seventh month I'm starting to feel more like myself but I'm afraid that the alcohol I drank in the beginning permanently damaged me and I will not recover fully?Is this possible or does alcohol just slows down the process of recovery? Please answer me I am stressing myself out over this..Thanks in advance

No reason to think permanent damage if you're already getting better. Alcohol destabilizes further an already destabilized system. It will restabilize so not to worry but I'd stay away from it for a very long time.

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Dec 2004 - July 2018 citalopram 20 mg, xanax prn (rarely used)

Aug 2018 - citalopram 40 mg (self titrated up)

September 2018 - January 2019 tapered citalopram - 40/30/20/10/5 no issues until a week after reaching 0

Feb 2019 0.25 xanax - 0.5/day (3 weeks) over to klonopin 0.25 once a day to manage severe wd

March 6, reinstated citalopram 2.5 mg (liquid), klonopin 0.25 mg for sleep 2-3 times a week

Apr 1st citalopram 2.0 mg (liquid), klonopin 0.25 once a week, 

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Alcohol cravings

 

Did anyone find that alcohol cravings increased or even went off the charts while on ADs? An interesting article on Risk.org highlights this situation and many people commented that they had the same reaction.

 

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I've done a search for the word craving in this topic and this is the link to the results.

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On 10/10/2019 at 9:06 AM, Meeto said:

Can eating food cooked with beer have an affect on symptoms?  I may have eaten some steak that was grilled with a little bit of beer.  I feel like I’m back in acute, but was also starting to feel a decline a few weeks prior to this incident.  I’m not sure what caused it, or if it’s just a wave. 

 

Not sure how you are doing now but if the alcohol was cooked it changes the nature of the alcohol so it should be fine. 

I am not a medical professional and nothing I say is a medical opinion or meant to be medical advice, please seek a competent and trusted medical professional to consult for all medical decisions.

 

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6 hours ago, Slim said:

Alcohol cravings

 

Did anyone find that alcohol cravings increased or even went off the charts while on ADs? An interesting article on Risk.org highlights this situation and many people commented that they had the same reaction.

 

 

 

This is a known effect of a number of antidepressants.  There have been cases of people who didn't drink starting the drugs, who then go on to become serious alcoholics and then "coincidentally" when they finally get off the pills, they no longer have any cravings for alcohol at all.

 

I was never big into drinking I got weird effects if  I mixed enough alcohol with Celexa.  My face would break out in tiny broken blood vessels.  The first time it happened I woke up and saw my face and I was sure it was going to be stuck like that lol

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I had a small beer last night, 1st time in weeks. Feel ok today, but noticed a herbal tea revved me up a bit. I'm already very sensitive, just wondering if alcohol would make me more sensitive? 

 

I'm not planning on hitting the bottle, just curious really

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Jan 2018 40mg CitalopramFeb 2019 cymbalta for pain - too many side effectsApril - 10mg Valium for 1 month- made me depressed stopped CTJuly - 0.5mg of Xanax + Prozac, bad reaction stopped after 6 weeks CTSept - 14 days Ativan CT


October 2019 - 5mg Valium + 10mg Citalopram, too much,

December 2019 - CT Citalopram, 

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April 2020 Stopped Valium CT, sart May tried to increase Citalopram to 10mg, think I OD'd 

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Kindler, alcohol is generally not a good idea in withdrawal and has been known to set people back. It really is best not to experiment with it but up to you. I've had severe dizziness from tiny amounts of alcohol in WD. Be well :)

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Aug  2000 - July 2003 (ct, 4-6 wk wd) , citalopram 20 mg,  xanax prn, wellbutrin for a few months, trazodone prn 

Dec 2004 - July 2018 citalopram 20 mg, xanax prn (rarely used)

Aug 2018 - citalopram 40 mg (self titrated up)

September 2018 - January 2019 tapered citalopram - 40/30/20/10/5 no issues until a week after reaching 0

Feb 2019 0.25 xanax - 0.5/day (3 weeks) over to klonopin 0.25 once a day to manage severe wd

March 6, reinstated citalopram 2.5 mg (liquid), klonopin 0.25 mg for sleep 2-3 times a week

Apr 1st citalopram 2.0 mg (liquid), klonopin 0.25 once a week, 

citalopram (liquid) 4/14/19 -1.8 mg, 5/8/19 - 1.6 mg,  7/27/19 -1.5 mg,  8/15/19 - 1.35, 2/21/21 - 1.1 (smaller drops in between), 6/20/21 - 1.03 mg, 8/7/21- 1.025, 8/11/21 - 1.02, 8/15/21 - 1.015, 9/3/21 - 0.925 (fingers crossed!), 10/8/21 - 0.9, 10/18/21 - 0.875, 12/31/21 - 0.85, 1/7/22 - 0.825, 1/14/22 - 0.8, 1/22/22 - 0.785

 

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Please note there are 2 related topics: 

Alcohol and Beer

 

Wanted to share an experience I have/had.  I searched for others sharing a similar experience but couldn’t find anything too close so hopefully this is helpful.

 

After updosing to 6mg per day, I entered into my first extended window.  I had the lowest symptoms on my tracker since the start of my taper in December 2020.  I hadn’t had a sip of alcohol since Feb/March 2020 knowing that it certainly wasn’t helping my anxiety.  On vacation, feeling great in my window, I decided, perhaps against better judgement, to have one beer during a family dinner out.  
 

This single corona made me dizzy about half way through it.  I felt ok after about an hour or two.  The next day, I started to feel a wave coming on.  By mid-morning, I had extreme confusion.  It almost felt cognitively like brain zaps without the actual physical feeling of a zap.  I would ever so briefly forget where I was, what I was talking about or who I was talking to.  It’s happened around the same time every day since (3 days), but is gradually improving.  
 

I understand that this wave could have been coming all along as the window had lasted about 2 weeks, but nonetheless I believe the beer exacerbated or initiated the wave.  
 

anyone have a similar experience?

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January 2021: 50mg Pristiq to 43.75. Stopped Viibryd at 10mg

March 2021: holding at 37.5mg.
April 2021: 25mg.  May 2021: 18.75 to 12.5.  
June 2021: 12.5 to (accidentally) 4.29mg.  Updose to 6mg using compounded Pristiq

August 2020: Crashed at day 35 of 5mg. Updose to 6mg

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Not with a beer, but i took a single zopiclone (sleeping pill) which affects the brain pretty similarly to alcohol and it screwed me up for a good week or so.

Started Lexapro 5mg Mid March 2020

Came off Completely September 2020

Hospitalised september 2021

Slowly worked up to 50mg lamictal and 60mg Prozac

reduced to 20mg Prozac September 2021

Holding 20mg Prozac and 50mg Lamictal for a good while to stabilise. November 2021

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Yep. Yep yep. If I take even 1 glass of wine with dinner, the next day my anxiety is through the roof. I am recovering pretty nicely so far but even a single drink brings a huge set back. Thankfully the setback didn't last and after a couple days I was back to where I was and keep recovering since. I used to drink alcohol without a problem before this happened, but I guess now it is too much for my sensitized nervous system. So no alcohol for me 😞

My thread: https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/24990-surviving82-my-story-wd-from-antidepressants-please-help/

2016-2017: sertraline for approx. 1.5 years for anxiety and OCD outbreak following birth of my son (all the way from 2mg to 200mg), rapid tapered from 150mg for about 6 weeks without issues. Approximately 2 years psych drug free.

 

Nov 2019 - Feb 2020: fluvoxamine to prevent anxiety/OCD outbreak following birth of my daughter. Had to go off due to constant somnolence.

Feb 2020 - Dec 2020: started escitalopram while rapid tapering fluvoxamine. After 9 months decided to get off due to weight gain, rapid tapered from [I think] 15mg for about 6 weeks without immediate issues.

March-April 2021: started excessive strenuous exercise and dieting regimen for weight loss. Was doing great (or so I thought) for 3 weeks until early April 2021 when out of nowhere massive panic attacks, other dysautonomia symptoms. AWFUL CRASH.   

Mid-April 2021: fluoxetine 10mg for 1 week then 20mg for 1 week. Massive side effects, suicidality. Was told to go CT. Side effects gradually started resolving.

Mid-Late May 2021: sertraline for 11 days, fine at low doses but same side effects as prozac at 25 to 50mg. Was told to either drop CT or hold at 1/4 of a 25mg pill. 

April-May 2021: trazodone 50mg PRN for sleep. Do not take every day, the only side effect I noticed is dry mouth.

June 8, 2021: stopped all psych meds. Truing to trust that with God's help, my body will heal on its own. 

September 9, 2021: reinstated escitalopram 1mg. Gradually worked up to 2.5mg by September 30. Reinstatement seems to be helping!

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I've found that any kind of stress brings on waves. Hypothetically, I think it's the nervous system struggling to remember how to tolerate stress and distress without the drugs.

 

I know for me, owing to the depressive effects of alcohol, I have to be very careful with it to avoid waves.

 

Keep in mind that alcohol is a serotonergic, among other things, so it's not surprising if this trips up your nervous system. 

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October 2020. Stopped the Pristiq

December 2020 - Added 25mg Zoloft to try and bridge the withdrawal

March 2021 - Reduced Zoloft to half doses (About 12.5mg). Started medical cannabis, 5mg (edibles) 2-3x a day as needed.

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Thanks for the replies.  Things have been very different during this post beer wave.  I usually get brain zaps about a week after a drop, they last for about 3 days to a week and then disappear until the next drop.  Instead, I am about a month into a drop and have been getting zaps pretty frequently as well as a bit of mania.  Really strange.

 

Needless to say, alcohol is not in my future for a while.  

Multiple drugs for my teen years.  ~10 years on Pristiq 100mg.  
January 2021: 50mg Pristiq to 43.75. Stopped Viibryd at 10mg

March 2021: holding at 37.5mg.
April 2021: 25mg.  May 2021: 18.75 to 12.5.  
June 2021: 12.5 to (accidentally) 4.29mg.  Updose to 6mg using compounded Pristiq

August 2020: Crashed at day 35 of 5mg. Updose to 6mg

September 2020: 5.5mg from 6 after 38 days

10/2021: 5mg, 11/2021: 4.5mg, 12/21:4mg, 3/22:3.75mg, Propranolol 10mg prn

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In my withdrawal I found out the tough way that alcohol would trigger a wave. I kept reducing it down until I had to admit even one would trigger a 2 week intensive agitated wave with off the scale anxiety.

 

Just the weekend for a friend's 40th I drank myself silly with no anxiety the next day. My hangovers are nearly non existent as well, they were so bad on Paroxetine.

 

Best knocking it on the head until clear of withdrawal. It also saves you a lot of money and the waistline!

 

 

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August 2008 - Cold Turkey

August 2009 - Cold Turkey

November 2009 - Reinstatement adverse reaction akathesia/suicidal/anxiety

March 2011 - Start taper

November 2012 - Crash badly at 1.25mg akathesia/suicidal/extreme anxiety

January 2013 - 5mg Seroxat, 300mg  Lyrica

April 2017 - Successfully get off Seroxat with taper followed by 4 month of withdrawal 

January 2018 - Start with constant urinary urge/pain/burning/genital sensations 2 week after anxiety/akathesia ends

January 2019 - Started reducing Lyrica as I suspect it's causing frequent urination, tinnitus, fatigue, brain fog and mental decline.

December 2019 - Off all pysch meds

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Merged 2 similar topics: One Beer = Wave merged with Alcohol During Withdrawal. 

Please do not tag me, unless it is a question about tapering or withdrawal.

 

***Please note this is not medical advice.  Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a doctor who understands psych meds and how to withdraw from them, if you can find one.

 

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Ibuprofen 800 mg, or Tylenol 1000 mg as needed

other meds: Levothyroxine 75 mg

Trazodone on occasion, stopped in late 2019

Xanax on occasion, stopped in late 2019

magnesium in small amounts at 4 AM, breakfast, 3 PM, before bed

suppl AM: fish oil, flax oil, vit C, vit E, calcium

suppl PM: magnesium 350 mg, GABA 750 mg, Estroven, melatonin 2.5 mg

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For the record: Experiencing rare but unmistakable alcohol craving. Riding it out. 

 

 

 

1996-2018 - misc. polypharmacy, incl. SSRIs, SNRIs, neuroleptics, lithium, benzos, stimulants, antihistamines, etc. (approx. 30+ drugs)

2012-2018 - 10mg lexapro/escitalopram (20mg?)    Jan. 2018 - 10mg -> 5mg, then from 5mg -> 2.5mg, then 0mg  -->  July 2018 - 0mg

2017(?)-2020 - vyvanse/lisdexamfetamine 60-70mg    2020-2021 - 70mg down to 0mg  -->  July 2021 - 0mg

March-April 2021 - vortioxetine 5-10mg (approx. 7 weeks total; CT)  -->  April 28th, 2021 - 0mg

supplements: magnesium powder (dissolved in water) as needed throughout the day; 1 tsp fish oil w/ morning meal; 2mg melatonin 9pm 

 

Courage is fear that has said its prayers.  - Karle Wilson Baker

love and justice are not two. without inner change, there can be no outer change; without collective change, no change matters.  - Rev. angel Kyodo williams

Holding multiple truths. Knowing that everyone has their own accurate view of the way things are.  - text on homemade banner at Afiya house

 

I am not a medical professional; this is not medical advice. 

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On 5/29/2022 at 5:56 PM, Ariel said:

For the record: Experiencing rare but unmistakable alcohol craving. Riding it out. 

 

 

 

Hi @Ariel just wondering how you’re getting on with the alcohol cravings?

History of depression and anxiety. Symptoms of PTSD.

1998-1999 Venlafaxine 2006-2007 Prozac. 2013-15 Sertraline 50mg. 2015 cross-tapered to citalopram 20mg. 2015-2021 Citalopram 20mg (brief increase to 30mg for 2/3 months in 2019.

01/2021 Dropped from 20mg to 10mg, back up to 20mg til June.

25/6/21 stopped CT. Started 50mg 5htp after a week without citalopram in the hope this would balance out my serotonin levels. After 3 days increased to 100mg 5htp.
11/7/21 Stopped 5htp with the intention of reinstating citalopram at 1mg.  

16/7/21 Reinstated cit at 1mg.

2/8/21 Increased dose to 2mg. 
28/11/21 10% reduction to 1.8mg.

8/12/21 Back up to 2mg 6/1/22 10% reduction to 1.8mg 10/2/22 10% reduction to 1.6mg 13/5/22 cut to 1.5mg 4/6/22 updose to 1.55mg

Multiple unsuccessful previous attempts to taper off citalopram. Vegan, otherwise healthy lifestyle. Other medications; kliovance (HRT) Other supplements; magnesium glycinate, calcium, B12, vitD and vegan omega3. I use valerian and lemon balm tea for anxiety relief

Completely OFF booze (since 6/11/21) and caffeine (since July 21) now. Main symptoms; crushing depression, anhedonia/emotional anesthesia, irritability, rage, anxiety/fear, cognitive fog, inability to focus, restlessness and some insomnia

 

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@Kat66 Hi there.

 

1 hour ago, Kat66 said:

just wondering how you’re getting on with the alcohol cravings?

 

It was only that one time that was clear and intense. Don't know why.

How are you going? How's the cold water experiment?

1996-2018 - misc. polypharmacy, incl. SSRIs, SNRIs, neuroleptics, lithium, benzos, stimulants, antihistamines, etc. (approx. 30+ drugs)

2012-2018 - 10mg lexapro/escitalopram (20mg?)    Jan. 2018 - 10mg -> 5mg, then from 5mg -> 2.5mg, then 0mg  -->  July 2018 - 0mg

2017(?)-2020 - vyvanse/lisdexamfetamine 60-70mg    2020-2021 - 70mg down to 0mg  -->  July 2021 - 0mg

March-April 2021 - vortioxetine 5-10mg (approx. 7 weeks total; CT)  -->  April 28th, 2021 - 0mg

supplements: magnesium powder (dissolved in water) as needed throughout the day; 1 tsp fish oil w/ morning meal; 2mg melatonin 9pm 

 

Courage is fear that has said its prayers.  - Karle Wilson Baker

love and justice are not two. without inner change, there can be no outer change; without collective change, no change matters.  - Rev. angel Kyodo williams

Holding multiple truths. Knowing that everyone has their own accurate view of the way things are.  - text on homemade banner at Afiya house

 

I am not a medical professional; this is not medical advice. 

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@Ariel I’m probably the worst I’ve felt overall. However amazingly I’ve not felt the need to have a drink in weeks.  I’ve discovered there are some nice alcohol free beers out there so I’m enjoying those. The cold water thing is still something I’m doing. I don’t know if it’s helping majorly but I do feel strangely addicted to it. It’s a pleasure pain thing.  

History of depression and anxiety. Symptoms of PTSD.

1998-1999 Venlafaxine 2006-2007 Prozac. 2013-15 Sertraline 50mg. 2015 cross-tapered to citalopram 20mg. 2015-2021 Citalopram 20mg (brief increase to 30mg for 2/3 months in 2019.

01/2021 Dropped from 20mg to 10mg, back up to 20mg til June.

25/6/21 stopped CT. Started 50mg 5htp after a week without citalopram in the hope this would balance out my serotonin levels. After 3 days increased to 100mg 5htp.
11/7/21 Stopped 5htp with the intention of reinstating citalopram at 1mg.  

16/7/21 Reinstated cit at 1mg.

2/8/21 Increased dose to 2mg. 
28/11/21 10% reduction to 1.8mg.

8/12/21 Back up to 2mg 6/1/22 10% reduction to 1.8mg 10/2/22 10% reduction to 1.6mg 13/5/22 cut to 1.5mg 4/6/22 updose to 1.55mg

Multiple unsuccessful previous attempts to taper off citalopram. Vegan, otherwise healthy lifestyle. Other medications; kliovance (HRT) Other supplements; magnesium glycinate, calcium, B12, vitD and vegan omega3. I use valerian and lemon balm tea for anxiety relief

Completely OFF booze (since 6/11/21) and caffeine (since July 21) now. Main symptoms; crushing depression, anhedonia/emotional anesthesia, irritability, rage, anxiety/fear, cognitive fog, inability to focus, restlessness and some insomnia

 

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1 hour ago, Kat66 said:

 I’m probably the worst I’ve felt overall. However amazingly I’ve not felt the need to have a drink in weeks.  I’ve discovered there are some nice alcohol free beers out there so I’m enjoying those. The cold water thing is still something I’m doing. I don’t know if it’s helping majorly but I do feel strangely addicted to it. It’s a pleasure pain thing.  

 

Hi Kat,

Very sorry to hear you're feeling at your worst. We have to keep reminding ourselves that healing is happening even when we feel right sh*te. 

Great to hear you're taking care of yourself with no alcohol and lots of cold water. This is serving you well, I'm sure. Give yourself lots of credit for your efforts. I trust they will pay off, and that your brain and nervous system are already rewarding you. 

It always helps to hear when someone is rocking the non-drug coping techniques and self-love. Thanks for the inspiration!

Healing is happening <3

 

1996-2018 - misc. polypharmacy, incl. SSRIs, SNRIs, neuroleptics, lithium, benzos, stimulants, antihistamines, etc. (approx. 30+ drugs)

2012-2018 - 10mg lexapro/escitalopram (20mg?)    Jan. 2018 - 10mg -> 5mg, then from 5mg -> 2.5mg, then 0mg  -->  July 2018 - 0mg

2017(?)-2020 - vyvanse/lisdexamfetamine 60-70mg    2020-2021 - 70mg down to 0mg  -->  July 2021 - 0mg

March-April 2021 - vortioxetine 5-10mg (approx. 7 weeks total; CT)  -->  April 28th, 2021 - 0mg

supplements: magnesium powder (dissolved in water) as needed throughout the day; 1 tsp fish oil w/ morning meal; 2mg melatonin 9pm 

 

Courage is fear that has said its prayers.  - Karle Wilson Baker

love and justice are not two. without inner change, there can be no outer change; without collective change, no change matters.  - Rev. angel Kyodo williams

Holding multiple truths. Knowing that everyone has their own accurate view of the way things are.  - text on homemade banner at Afiya house

 

I am not a medical professional; this is not medical advice. 

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2 hours ago, Ariel said:

 

We have to keep reminding ourselves that healing is happening even when we feel right sh*te. 

 

 

 Thanks for the inspiration!

Healing is happening ❤️

 

Which reminds me, I’m wondering if worsening symptoms may mean greater healing? Is that a thing or am I wishful thinking?

 

 You’re welcome! 😊

History of depression and anxiety. Symptoms of PTSD.

1998-1999 Venlafaxine 2006-2007 Prozac. 2013-15 Sertraline 50mg. 2015 cross-tapered to citalopram 20mg. 2015-2021 Citalopram 20mg (brief increase to 30mg for 2/3 months in 2019.

01/2021 Dropped from 20mg to 10mg, back up to 20mg til June.

25/6/21 stopped CT. Started 50mg 5htp after a week without citalopram in the hope this would balance out my serotonin levels. After 3 days increased to 100mg 5htp.
11/7/21 Stopped 5htp with the intention of reinstating citalopram at 1mg.  

16/7/21 Reinstated cit at 1mg.

2/8/21 Increased dose to 2mg. 
28/11/21 10% reduction to 1.8mg.

8/12/21 Back up to 2mg 6/1/22 10% reduction to 1.8mg 10/2/22 10% reduction to 1.6mg 13/5/22 cut to 1.5mg 4/6/22 updose to 1.55mg

Multiple unsuccessful previous attempts to taper off citalopram. Vegan, otherwise healthy lifestyle. Other medications; kliovance (HRT) Other supplements; magnesium glycinate, calcium, B12, vitD and vegan omega3. I use valerian and lemon balm tea for anxiety relief

Completely OFF booze (since 6/11/21) and caffeine (since July 21) now. Main symptoms; crushing depression, anhedonia/emotional anesthesia, irritability, rage, anxiety/fear, cognitive fog, inability to focus, restlessness and some insomnia

 

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6 minutes ago, Kat66 said:

I’m wondering if worsening symptoms may mean greater healing? Is that a thing or am I wishful thinking?

 

I've heard a lot of people say this (not clear to me whether this is stated as a sort of motivational, metaphorical affirmation or whether people believe it to be actual fact) and I confess I feel skeptical about it. I don't know whether it's true or not. Not to be a party pooper, it just doesn't make sense to me as a blanket rule, because we could drink and drug our faces off and feel worse and it seems improbable that that worsening of symptoms would be indicative of greater healing. So how can one know, you know? But I've decided to take a pragmatic approach and remain agnostic, allowing for the possibility without attaching to it. 

Do you know this post, What is happening in your brain?

That's the one I keep coming back to in the context of your question. Not that it provides answers, per se, but at least it sort of ties in possible behind-the-scenes workings to potential ways we experience the workings as symptoms. 

Bottom line: if it feels helpful to believe that worse symptoms mean greater healing, I say go ahead and embrace that mantra. Whatever works!

1996-2018 - misc. polypharmacy, incl. SSRIs, SNRIs, neuroleptics, lithium, benzos, stimulants, antihistamines, etc. (approx. 30+ drugs)

2012-2018 - 10mg lexapro/escitalopram (20mg?)    Jan. 2018 - 10mg -> 5mg, then from 5mg -> 2.5mg, then 0mg  -->  July 2018 - 0mg

2017(?)-2020 - vyvanse/lisdexamfetamine 60-70mg    2020-2021 - 70mg down to 0mg  -->  July 2021 - 0mg

March-April 2021 - vortioxetine 5-10mg (approx. 7 weeks total; CT)  -->  April 28th, 2021 - 0mg

supplements: magnesium powder (dissolved in water) as needed throughout the day; 1 tsp fish oil w/ morning meal; 2mg melatonin 9pm 

 

Courage is fear that has said its prayers.  - Karle Wilson Baker

love and justice are not two. without inner change, there can be no outer change; without collective change, no change matters.  - Rev. angel Kyodo williams

Holding multiple truths. Knowing that everyone has their own accurate view of the way things are.  - text on homemade banner at Afiya house

 

I am not a medical professional; this is not medical advice. 

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I know what you mean @Ariel it does sound counterintuitive, and some sort of loose permission to start drinking again lol. If worsening symptoms mean healing then, cheers! I just thought I’d seen something written about it. Yes I’ve read the what’s happening in your brain a couple of times, and find that useful. Another time won’t hurt. At this point I’ll hang onto anything. My mantra is something along the lines of ‘be kind and gentle with yourself’

History of depression and anxiety. Symptoms of PTSD.

1998-1999 Venlafaxine 2006-2007 Prozac. 2013-15 Sertraline 50mg. 2015 cross-tapered to citalopram 20mg. 2015-2021 Citalopram 20mg (brief increase to 30mg for 2/3 months in 2019.

01/2021 Dropped from 20mg to 10mg, back up to 20mg til June.

25/6/21 stopped CT. Started 50mg 5htp after a week without citalopram in the hope this would balance out my serotonin levels. After 3 days increased to 100mg 5htp.
11/7/21 Stopped 5htp with the intention of reinstating citalopram at 1mg.  

16/7/21 Reinstated cit at 1mg.

2/8/21 Increased dose to 2mg. 
28/11/21 10% reduction to 1.8mg.

8/12/21 Back up to 2mg 6/1/22 10% reduction to 1.8mg 10/2/22 10% reduction to 1.6mg 13/5/22 cut to 1.5mg 4/6/22 updose to 1.55mg

Multiple unsuccessful previous attempts to taper off citalopram. Vegan, otherwise healthy lifestyle. Other medications; kliovance (HRT) Other supplements; magnesium glycinate, calcium, B12, vitD and vegan omega3. I use valerian and lemon balm tea for anxiety relief

Completely OFF booze (since 6/11/21) and caffeine (since July 21) now. Main symptoms; crushing depression, anhedonia/emotional anesthesia, irritability, rage, anxiety/fear, cognitive fog, inability to focus, restlessness and some insomnia

 

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The mantras do tend to pile up over years of WD, haha! 

 

4 minutes ago, Kat66 said:

At this point I’ll hang onto anything. My mantra is something along the lines of ‘be kind and gentle with yourself’

A good one for sure.  

 

And just in case my other post came off as ambiguous/ambivalent/confusing, I absolutely 100% unequivocally wholeheartedly endorse the zero alcohol during WD recommendation. Makes a huge difference. I've also eliminated sugar, caffeine, and a bunch of other stuff which has helped enormously. 

 

Hang in there, Kat, you're doing a great job!

Healing is happening <3

1996-2018 - misc. polypharmacy, incl. SSRIs, SNRIs, neuroleptics, lithium, benzos, stimulants, antihistamines, etc. (approx. 30+ drugs)

2012-2018 - 10mg lexapro/escitalopram (20mg?)    Jan. 2018 - 10mg -> 5mg, then from 5mg -> 2.5mg, then 0mg  -->  July 2018 - 0mg

2017(?)-2020 - vyvanse/lisdexamfetamine 60-70mg    2020-2021 - 70mg down to 0mg  -->  July 2021 - 0mg

March-April 2021 - vortioxetine 5-10mg (approx. 7 weeks total; CT)  -->  April 28th, 2021 - 0mg

supplements: magnesium powder (dissolved in water) as needed throughout the day; 1 tsp fish oil w/ morning meal; 2mg melatonin 9pm 

 

Courage is fear that has said its prayers.  - Karle Wilson Baker

love and justice are not two. without inner change, there can be no outer change; without collective change, no change matters.  - Rev. angel Kyodo williams

Holding multiple truths. Knowing that everyone has their own accurate view of the way things are.  - text on homemade banner at Afiya house

 

I am not a medical professional; this is not medical advice. 

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4 hours ago, Ariel said:

And just in case my other post came off as ambiguous/ambivalent/confusing, I absolutely 100% unequivocally wholeheartedly endorse the zero alcohol during WD recommendation. Makes a huge difference. I've also eliminated sugar, caffeine, and a bunch of other stuff which has helped enormously. 

It’s taken me a long time and learning by bitter experience to know you’re right about zero alcohol. I made the mistake of having a caffeinated coffee yesterday thinking ‘just one won’t hurt’. Since then I am barely functioning! I seem to be getting more, not less, sensitive to everything! 
 

how are you doing generally? Xx

History of depression and anxiety. Symptoms of PTSD.

1998-1999 Venlafaxine 2006-2007 Prozac. 2013-15 Sertraline 50mg. 2015 cross-tapered to citalopram 20mg. 2015-2021 Citalopram 20mg (brief increase to 30mg for 2/3 months in 2019.

01/2021 Dropped from 20mg to 10mg, back up to 20mg til June.

25/6/21 stopped CT. Started 50mg 5htp after a week without citalopram in the hope this would balance out my serotonin levels. After 3 days increased to 100mg 5htp.
11/7/21 Stopped 5htp with the intention of reinstating citalopram at 1mg.  

16/7/21 Reinstated cit at 1mg.

2/8/21 Increased dose to 2mg. 
28/11/21 10% reduction to 1.8mg.

8/12/21 Back up to 2mg 6/1/22 10% reduction to 1.8mg 10/2/22 10% reduction to 1.6mg 13/5/22 cut to 1.5mg 4/6/22 updose to 1.55mg

Multiple unsuccessful previous attempts to taper off citalopram. Vegan, otherwise healthy lifestyle. Other medications; kliovance (HRT) Other supplements; magnesium glycinate, calcium, B12, vitD and vegan omega3. I use valerian and lemon balm tea for anxiety relief

Completely OFF booze (since 6/11/21) and caffeine (since July 21) now. Main symptoms; crushing depression, anhedonia/emotional anesthesia, irritability, rage, anxiety/fear, cognitive fog, inability to focus, restlessness and some insomnia

 

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