☼ dan998: Cold turkey, reinstatement and tapering citalopram

[Horns85]

Wonderful news, Dan! So happy for you.

[Dan998]

I decided that the time was right to address some of the existing anxieties and phobias that contributed to me starting the antidepressants in the first place. I have collected quite a lot of irrational fears over the years, fears that will hinder my recovery and prevent me from moving forward in life if I don’t tackle them head on.

 

Taking antidepressants never actually helped solve any of these problems. In fact, I think they actually made some of them worse.The drugs slowed down my thought processes to such a degree that I found it very difficult to hold a conversation.l I’d forget what I was talking about and end up repeating myself numerous times. I wouldn’t understand what was being said and would have to ask people to repeat themselves. I would stutter as I hunted for the words that were on the tip of my tongue. It was all very embarrassing and probably very annoying for everyone else involved. So I didn’t bother with the outside world and instead I just kept to myself.

 

By gradually exposing ourselves to our fears and insecurities it should be possible to make these activities become normal. The more we do the the thing that frightens us, the less frightening it becomes. What starts off as anxiety inducing eventually becomes a routine activity. 

 

I have had quite a hectic week. I’ve been spending a lot of quality time with friends and family, practising the art of conversation and just hanging out. I have been socially active and I have been participating in all sorts of normal everyday activities. I’m hesitant to use the E-word, but I did feel a slight sense of enjoyment and even had a few laughs.

 

It was all going so well until I got over confident. The exposure is supposed to be gradual, but I thought I knew better. I pushed myself too far too soon, which resulted in me having a massive anxiety attack. 

 

Strangely, it wasn’t the usual anticipation anxiety. I was actually fairly calm and was able to utilise my coping strategies during the event and was even feeling quite proud of myself. It was a delayed reaction that happened after I got home and away from the perceived danger. I closed the front door and immediately felt that all too familiar feeling rise up from the pit of my stomach. I’m still feeling it as I write this 6 hours later

 

What terrifying ordeal caused this? It was shopping. A seemingly benign activity that the vast majority of people like doing, but shopping pushes all the anxiety buttons for me. Too many things going on all at once. Too many decisions to be made. The disappointment of not being able to find what I’m looking for. Feeling lost. Making impulsive purchases that are later regretted. Then there's the crowded spaces, having to interact with surly shop assistants and becoming paranoid that the security guards think I’m a thief because I’m acting weirdly. I find the whole experience totally overwhelming.

 

I’ll just have to have a cautious approach to this technique in future and try not to run before I can walk. I think it is only natural that as we recover we tend to feel an urge to make up for lost time. Tempering my enthusiasm will become quite a challenge as I move forward.
 

*** A note of caution to anyone who is considering trying these techniques. I don’t think it would have been effective or appropriate to attempt this whilst tapering or immediately afterwards. During withdrawal everything and anything becomes frightening. It would be impossible to gauge any progress and you could set off some rather spectacular waves that might destabilise you for a very long time.

 

Edited May 24, 2018 by Dan998

[SkyBlue]

4 hours ago, Dan998 said:

I’ll just have to have a cautious approach to this technique in future and try not to run before I can walk. I think it is only natural that as we recover we tend to feel an urge to make up for lost time. Tempering my enthusiasm will become quite a challenge as I move forward.
 

*** A note of caution to anyone who is considering trying these techniques. I don’t think it would have been effective or appropriate to attempt this whilst tapering or immediately afterwards. During withdrawal everything and anything becomes frightening. It would be impossible to gauge any progress and you could set off some rather spectacular waves that might destabilise you for a very long time.

 

 

Hi Dan,

 

It's great that you had a sense of enjoyment while being with family. 

 

I can definitely relate to being overwhelmed by shopping. It can be really overstimulating, so many people, bright lights, decisions. 

And wow, I've been there with overdoing it because I get so excited about feeling okay or good!

 

And I'm glad you wrote the cautionary note about trying certain techniques while we still might be on unsteady ground because of withdrawal.

Has the anxiety gone down now?

[Dan998]

I'm feeling slightly calmer this morning, but didn't sleep particularly well and still have a sense of uneasyness. 

 

Yes Skyblue, I thought it was very important to warn people not to push themselves until they are a long way down the healing road.

 

During tapering doing nothing is doing something.

[Dan998]

The earlier anxiety has morphed into a strange sense of restlessness. I think this is the best way to describe it. It’s not an unpleasant experience, so I doubt that it could be akathisia, agitation, turmoil or mania. It’s like my body is full of unburnt energy and I have a desire to do something with it. I want to go out and do something, only I have no idea what it is I want to do. An irresistible urge to use my time more productively. 

 

I tried to burn it off with some exercise; went to swimming class (more on that later), did some gardening, ran some errands, went for an exceptionally long walk. My muscles are sore and achy now, but I’m still feeling like I could, and should, be doing more.

 

Withdrawal was all about resting and waiting. Keeping everything simple, ordered and routine. Essentially doing nothing while the brain repaired itself. Recovery feels like it needs things to be shaken up a bit. Pushing the boundaries of what’s comfortable until the boundaries expand.

 

One explanation of why I might be feeling so discombobulated is that there are lots of little adjustments slowly, but continually, happening on a cellular level. Little changes that eventually multiply enough that they become detectable to the diagnostic and feedback systems within the CNS. I think the brain struggles to interpret these messages and the only response it has is to activate the amygdala and sound the fear alarm.

 

The restlessness could be a metabolic change. Psychotropics are known to mess about with the metabolism and cause the mitochondria to dysfunction. It’s entirely conceivable that my cells are going back to normal and yielding the appropriate amount of energy now. I’ll just have to learn how to use it and make the most of it. 

 

It has also occurred to me that this could all be indicative of the dopamine system starting to function again. I’d expect that the pathways would take a while to re-establish properly, there would be a lot of synaptic misfiring and this would account for the confused emotions, restlessness and an increased desire to be active. I like this hypothesis, because if it is true, it would mean an end to the debilitating anhedonia that has plagued me throughout my antidepressant misadventure.

 

Oh well. I shall have to keep an eye on the situation and see how it develops. Could be good, could be bad, could just be a normal part of the recovery process.

 

It probably has no significance, but whilst on the subject of keeping an eye on things, the floaters are annoyingly noticeable today. They look a lot blacker than usual. I really should get around to having my eyes tested. I can add it to the don’t-want-to-do list

 

 

 

Edited June 8, 2018 by Dan998
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[Dan998]

I'm back to suffering from that horrible constant low-level anxiety. It's there when I wake up and is still there when I go to bed. Thankfully it hasn't affected my sleep (yet). The resultant release of cortisol is making it hard to think straight. I'm having some difficulty concentrating and the withdrawal dyslexia has made an unwelcome return, anything to do with language is proving challenging. struggling to retain any information. Brain feels slightly scrambled.  It's been like this for a couple of days.

 

I'm alright if I'm doing physical stuff and I consequently wandered around aimlessly for 5 hrs today. Couldn't even tell you where I went or what I did. The lights were on, but nobody was home.

 

Also, got those total brain shutdowns going on. Hot and tingly scalp. Eye pain. Earache. Headaches coming and going. Overwhelming sense of fatigue. Yuk, yuk, yuk.

 

My intuition is still telling me this has something to do with those dopamine pathways I was talking about the other day. I expect there's a short circuit... Come on brain, sort it out... I'll do some proper research once I'm firing on all cylinders again. I've done some brief preliminary reading, but just cannot make sense of any of it. Might as well be written in Chinese.

 

I felt remarkably good the other day. This is very disappointing. I've been here before though, many, many times before. It sucks, but I shall just have to surrender to this and take it easy for a while. The situation will inevitably turn around again, it always does, of that I am certain. Acknowledge, accept, float is all I can do for now. Keep my head down. Wait for the storm to pass.

 

 

 

Edited May 31, 2018 by Dan998

[Dan998]

Much calmer today. If anything feeling rather tired, but prefer this to the anxiety and all the other nastiness. My cognitive state has returned to somewhat normal levels now that the stress hormones aren't running amok. There is a great deal of instability at the moment, with no two days being the same. I assume this just means that more healing is going on.

 

Had a bonus prize today; The world felt a little more realer than usual. Which leads me to believe that I am still suffering from some derealisation. I thought I was seeing everything with clarity, so it comes as a pleasant surprise when recovery surpasses your expectations. It makes me wonder how much more 'real' my concept of reality is going to become?

 

I had a chance to look a bit deeper into mitochondria and withdrawal. I don't really think it's an adequate explanation of what is going on. From what I can gather, "all classes of psychotropic drugs have been documented to damage mitochondria." This would explain some of the side effects. "However, mitochondria are incredibly dynamic. They are constantly dividing, fusing, and changing shape." This would suggest that once off the drugs any damage would be quickly undone. This is not the case as it can take many years for energy levels to return to normal after withdrawal. Something else is happening that affects energy and motivation.

 

What I did find out is that "mitochondria multiply when the energy needs of a cell increase. Therefore, power-hungry cells have more mitochondria than cells with lower energy needs. For example, repeatedly stimulating a muscle cell will spur the production of more mitochondria in that cell, to keep up with energy demand. In case the energy requirement of cells reduce, the excess Mitochondria will simply die." This implies that the best way to increase energy levels is to be more energetic. The more you do, the more you can do. But, keep in mind that vigorous exercise can be triggering for some people in withdrawal.

 

https://www.nature.com/scitable/ebooks/cell-biology-for-seminars-14760004/129391449

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18626887

https://factslegend.org/40-interesting-mitochondria-facts-structure-function-mtdna/

 

[SkyBlue]

On June 1, 2018 at 7:02 PM, Dan998 said:

 

 

Had a bonus prize today; The world felt a little more realer than usual. Which leads me to believe that I am still suffering from some derealisation. I thought I was seeing everything with clarity, so it comes as a pleasant surprise when recovery surpasses your expectations. It makes me wonder how much more 'real' my concept of reality is going to become?

 

 

Hi Dan,

Very cool about feeling somewhat calmer, and the re-realization too. 

I had a similarly wonderful feeling about a week ago (I need to update my thead.) It was just like everything was SO clear. I was like, is this what people feel like? Who aren't on psych drugs or in wd? Whaaaat!??? Of course I can't describe it, but it was the proverbial "colors are brighter," etc., and like I was very deeply experiencing being a human. 

 

I appreciate the info on psych drugs and mitochondria. It makes a lot of sense that they affect mitochondria, since they mess up metabolism. I hadn't thought of that piece of it. 

[myndfull]

On 6/1/2018 at 5:02 PM, Dan998 said:

Had a bonus prize today; The world felt a little more realer than usual. Which leads me to believe that I am still suffering from some derealisation. I thought I was seeing everything with clarity, so it comes as a pleasant surprise when recovery surpasses your expectations. It makes me wonder how much more 'real' my concept of reality is going to become?

 

Dan -- Good to hear about your continued "clarity." 

 

I've read others on SA say what you're saying. The painfully slow "revealing" of the self (the "real") keeps coming, and it's exciting to experience (and scary, too). Most seem to be delighted with it; some aren't. 

 

I'm only three weeks post-jump, but I'm beginning to feel the changes you're describing, too. I'm beginning to perceive the world and myself with less paranoia; the negative aura that WD imbues everything with--dread, really--is very slowly fading.  😃 I'm trying to enjoy it! I'm trying to be patient as the feelings come back.

 

Everyone has experienced feelings of return. We've all been away for a week or longer (vacation, school, etc.) and felt the disassociation (derealization) walking through our front door, thinking "It's like I don't know the place...." In withdrawal we feel that ALL THE TIME. Being a stranger to one's self. Emotional connections severed. The fear of never being able to return.

 

Post-vacation disassociation fades after a day or two. For us in recovery, that "one day" occurs over a year or two.

 

One day, maybe without realizing it, we're all be home again.

 

These changes I'm feeling are profound, but they're hard to put into words.

[Dan998]

Hi @SkyBlue and @myndfull

Derealisation, or re-realisation, is a really difficult concept to express. How can you compare your experience of the present with a memory of the past? Memories are just an interpretation of how we thought we saw something, and these memories can change with each recollection. I sometimes get glimmers of my pre-drug state, but the past is often seen through rose tinted spectacles. If we could time travel and really put ourselves back in that exact place would our experience of perception be the same?

 

Most of us here know that our concepts of reality aren't quite right,  but we have been living in a skewed existence for such a long time that it appears to us as normal. The changes can be very subtle. I suppose it's only when there is a big shift that we actually sit up and take notice. I can vividly recall when my reality had a dimensional shift. It was about 6 months after finishing my taper. Everything just popped out at me, even things that weren't supposed to be in 3D like photographs and the television had depth to them. It was very unsettling and actually made me feel very sick. It took about a week to adjust to this new normal. 

 

I definitely have a feeling that things still aren't quite right. I suppose it could be as simple as my eyesight is failing as I age, but it seems like there's more to it than that. A difference in perception. A feeling that I'm not quite there yet. I'm not even sure that I will even recognize normality when it finally arrives.

 

Really interesting link that discusses some of these issues>> The role of emotion in memory

Edited June 4, 2018 by Dan998

[Carmie]

Hi Dan, 

 

How wonderful to read about your long windows. Your positivity is inspiring and contagious. Thanks for sharing. 

 

I’m sooo glad you can see the end in sight now, the sun is coming out again. ☀️☀️☀️

 

You’ve done really well to have finished your taper, I’m happy for you. 

 

I’ve noticed a lot of people on this site have tinnitus, it seems to be very common. I go to a lot of concerts and I never wear ear plugs, but one of the members here said I should get earplugs so I did when I went to see Imagine Dragons recently. That was a loud concert but amazing! 

 

Wishing you all all the best in your continued recovery 💚

 

 

[Dan998]

Hey there, Carmie. Thanks for those kind words.

 

The tinnitus is another symptom that is slowly improving. For the most part, I don't notice it  during the daytime. It is only present during the morning and evening. I'm guessing levels of certain neurotransmitters or hormones (probably serotonin) are unbalanced during these times.

 

I've read about quite a few success stories where the tinnitus has slowly resolved itself. I reckon it's just a case of waiting for more time to pass until all my synapses are firing as nature intended. 

 

I saw some live music in a pub recently, the band were excellent, but I found the noise levels very uncomfortable. Definitely wear those ear plugs as its not just withdrawal that cause tinnitus and there's no point in risking making it worse.

 

 

[Dan998]

I found a study that sort of backs this idea up. (I should probably copy this into the tinnitus thread.)

 

"Although it is still not clear where tinnitus is located, e.g., in the ear or in the brain, in the auditory system or in non-auditory systems, significant progress has been made in the past ten years that links tinnitus with neurological changes in the brain. Since neurotransmitter release from neuron presynaptic structures and the response in postsynaptic structures play an important role in auditory signal generation, transmission and perception, dysfunction of certain neurotransmitters and their receptors may be a key in triggering tinnitus generation."

 

Neurotransmitter Modulation Relates with Tinnitus Signal Generation and Management

[Kostas]

1 hour ago, Dan998 said:

I found a study that sort of backs this idea up. (I should probably copy this into the tinnitus thread.)

 

"Although it is still not clear where tinnitus is located, e.g., in the ear or in the brain, in the auditory system or in non-auditory systems, significant progress has been made in the past ten years that links tinnitus with neurological changes in the brain. Since neurotransmitter release from neuron presynaptic structures and the response in postsynaptic structures play an important role in auditory signal generation, transmission and perception, dysfunction of certain neurotransmitters and their receptors may be a key in triggering tinnitus generation."

 

Neurotransmitter Modulation Relates with Tinnitus Signal Generation and Management

Thanks for the info, very useful! 

[Carmie]

On 6/9/2018 at 2:35 AM, Dan998 said:

Hey there, Carmie. Thanks for those kind words.

 

The tinnitus is another symptom that is slowly improving. For the most part, I don't notice it  during the daytime. It is only present during the morning and evening. I'm guessing levels of certain neurotransmitters or hormones (probably serotonin) are unbalanced during these times.

 

I've read about quite a few success stories where the tinnitus has slowly resolved itself. I reckon it's just a case of waiting for more time to pass until all my synapses are firing as nature intended. 

 

I saw some live music in a pub recently, the band were excellent, but I found the noise levels very uncomfortable. Definitely wear those ear plugs as its not just withdrawal that cause tinnitus and there's no point in risking making it worse.

 

 

 

 

Hi Dan ,

 

Glad to hear the tinnitus is getting better. Yes, you should put that link in the tinnitus section for people who have it. Great to hear of all the success stories too of people overcoming it. 

 

I will take ear ear plugs to concerts from now on as the music is extremely loud. I love loud music but I don’t want it to damage my ears. If you get tinnitus from withdrawals it will eventually disappear once everything is back in homeostasis. I wonder if people can repair noise induced tinnitus. 

 

A few people I know have it, one from the noise on construction sites and the other from lawnmowers.

 

Are you still having long windows? 

 

Sending hugs🤗

 

 

 

 

[Dan998]

I'm in a good place at the moment. Been feeling more energetic and alive than I have done in a long while. There is still some residual anxiety that lurks below the surface. It threatens to rise up and ruin my day if I allow the excess energy to build up inside me. I have to redirect and release it in a healthy way. So, when I feel the restlessness happening, I get out and get moving (it's possibly a fight or flight response).

 

I usually walk the same route. I have done since this all began many years ago. But, I surprised myself the other day. I got an urge to experience somewhere different and had an unexpected day trip to a neighbouring town where I had a fantastic walk along the clifftops. It was nice to fully appreciate some truly outstanding natural beauty and I think the change of scenery did me some good. Expanded my horizons and opened my mind to new possibilities.

 

Anything new and unexpected can easily upset a sensitive nervous system. So, exploring a new place, doing it alone, and not feeling anxious or uncomfortable is more proof of my continued recovery. A year ago, venturing this far away would have filled me with utter dread. I suppose the next step in my progression towards normality will be to spend a night away from home. Who knows, I might even be able to go on a proper holiday soon. I certainly need one.

 

I saw this lighthouse whilst on my travels. It's a beacon that guides lost souls away from the rocks during stormy weather. This neatly symbolises what SA has represented to me over the past few years. (And yes, I really was that close to the edge of a 500ft cliff.)

 

 

[Dan998]

10 hours ago, Carmie said:

If you get tinnitus from withdrawals it will eventually disappear once everything is back in homeostasis. I wonder if people can repair noise induced tinnitus. 

 

It's hard to tell. I've spent a lot of time reading various tinnitus forums and it seems that some SSRI's are otoxic and can damage the hearing system. While for other people antidepressants drastically reduce tinnitus levels. And, then there are those, like myself, who only developed it after stopping the drugs. It all seems very complicated and not very well understood. However, tinnitus does seem to be permanent for people with significant hearing loss. It has something to do with the brain misinterpreting the missing frequencies.

[LexAnger]

Such a lovely update, and awaresome view!

Thanks for sharing the great news and wish you more healing!

[brassmonkey]

I'll be right over to join you on your walk, that's beautiful.  I'm glad you're feeling well enough to enjoy it.

[Rabe]

Loving your lighthouse, Dan...beautiful analogy.  Thank you!

My tinnitus is bad tonight but not as bad as when it actually 'plays' different notes...like a repetitive annoying melody.  I wonder if it will ever go away, but if, God willing, I get through this and that is all I have I'll be singing loudly along with that annoying melody!!!

 

[brassmonkey]

The tinnitus does eventually go away.  Mine was quite loud for many years  before and during my taper, but now it's almost non existent.  I have noticed that stress will cause it to spike up for a while.  I used to get a phantom radio station that played swing music as part of mine.  Never quite loud enough to listen to but there in the background.

[wantrelief]

What a wonderful update, Dan!  Thank you for sharing the gorgeous picture too.

[jonnypeters1234567]

How are you feeling now Dan?

 

Are you getting the windows and waves or just a continual improvement?

 

Im 12 months off Citalopram CT and struggling.

 

The only way I can describe it is I can still feel part of the citalopram in my system. It feels as im still half under the influence and half not. Every time I wake up and I can feel 'under the influence' it knocks my confidence as I feel i still have a long way to go

 

Do you recomend reinstating at 10mg and slowly tapering?

 

Were you able to work during your slow taper?

 

Thanks and best wishes

[Dan998]

Hi Jonny.

 

Yep, the windows and waves are very much in evidence. What tends to happen is that there is a noticeable improvement to the baseline of symptoms after every wave. Because of this I don't find them as threatening as they used to be. They're probably going to continue for a few years yet. Despite these minor setbacks the trend is definitely heading towards recovery.

 

I can totally relate with what you're describing. It can feel certainly feel like a chemically charged experience even though the drugs will be well and truly out of your system by now. I believe this has to do with neurotransmitter dysfunction causing the amygdala, which is the part of the brain responsible for processing danger and fear, to become overly sensitized and flood the body with stress hormones. An unpleasant experiecnce, but it cannot harm you and it will gradually improve with time.

 

6 hours ago, jonnypeters1234567 said:

Were you able to work during your slow taper?

 

Unfortunately, I haven't been able to work since 2005 as the drugs ruined my cognitive ability and turned me into a brain-dead couch potato. I'm now feeling ready, willing and able to go back to work. Just have the minor task of finding a job now,

 

I answered your reinstatement question over on your own thread.

 

[Dan998]

Thank you to everybody who left nice comments about my lighthouse photo. Not bad for a phone cam eh? Although I did cheat a little and adjust the brightness on the cliffs as they were in heavy shadow.

 

Photography used to be one of my favourite hobbies before all this WD nonsense started. I have a big bag of very expensive camera equipment that hasn't seen the light of day for many years. I'm going to head back over to take some proper shots with the SLR camera. I reckon a panorama would look fab.

 

There are some beautiful coastal walks around here. Perhaps I could start a photoblog detailing some of them. I know that sort of thing tends to be quite popular and it'll give me an excuse to go and do some more exploring.

 

[Carmie]

1 hour ago, Dan998 said:

Thank you to everybody who left nice comments about my lighthouse photo. Not bad for a phone cam eh? Although I did cheat a little and adjust the brightness on the cliffs as they were in heavy shadow.

 

Photography used to be one of my favourite hobbies before all this WD nonsense started. I have a big bag of very expensive camera equipment that hasn't seen the light of day for many years. I'm going to head back over to take some proper shots with the SLR camera. I reckon a panorama would look fab.

 

There are some beautiful coastal walks around here. Perhaps I could start a photoblog detailing some of them. I know that sort of thing tends to be quite popular and it'll give me an excuse to go and do some more exploring.

 

 

Hi Dan, 

 

Yes, your photo was beautiful. Keep taking photos, I love doing that too. I’ve taken photos even when I’ve been feeling really anhedonic. Then when waves were bad I spent time editing, good distraction. I love nature and all the little complexities in it, it’s just incredible.

 

You’re fortunate to have such beautiful coastal places where you live. We’ve got lots of beaches here too, but I don’t live near one. Oh, to wake up in the morning and walk to the beach! I do have a creek near my place though. I find the sound of water so soothing.

 

I’m so glad you’re feeling much better, all the best with your job hunting.💚

[Martina23]

Dan, your photo is beautiful. You have really talent. The place seems to be very nice. So quite. Is it in England? I would also make photos, but I have no talent for that. So I do rather painting. Now I am back home from work and at 20 pm I will start painting.

[Survivor1]

On 6/22/2018 at 6:11 PM, Dan998 said:

the drugs ruined my cognitive ability and turned me into a brain-dead couch potato

Seems like your sense of humor is back too (if you ever lost it)!

 

Glad that you are doing better.  Hope the progress continues.

[jonnypeters1234567]

How are you now dan?

 

I'm 12 months off and feel horrendous. My baseline is bad, I feel like I'm half in reallity and half not. Feeling charged all the time and can't sleep or relax

[jonnypeters1234567]

did you have insomnia issues dan?

[Altostrata]

Hi, Dan, how are you doing?

[Dan998]

Life has been giving me a bit of a kicking lately. A series of unfortunate events that has led to me having no money and nowhere to live.

 

With regards to withdrawal I'm doing OK. It's mostly just anxiety now, which is understandable considering the difficulties I've had to endure. 

 

Once I'm settled somewhere and have proper access to the internet I'll post a more detailed update.

[brassmonkey]

I'm really sorry to hear that Dan.  I hope things settle out quickly and you get back on your feet soon. I really glad the WD isn't causing problems.

 

Brassmonkey

[Flowers]

Hi Dan.

 

So sorry you are having these problems - hope things improve for you soon.

 

Flowers xxx

[Carmie]

On 11/6/2018 at 10:53 PM, Dan998 said:

Life has been giving me a bit of a kicking lately. A series of unfortunate events that has led to me having no money and nowhere to live.

 

With regards to withdrawal I'm doing OK. It's mostly just anxiety now, which is understandable considering the difficulties I've had to endure. 

 

Once I'm settled somewhere and have proper access to the internet I'll post a more detailed update.

 

Hi Dan, 

 

Did you manage to get some some finances n somewhere to live?

 

I’m sure a lot of people on this site would like to know how you’re doing. 

 

Sending hugs🤗

[Hopetobefree]

Hi Dan, 

How have you been? I just wanted to say thank you for writing your withdrawal journey your words really resonated with me and they have helped me greatly and I read your recovery over and over for hope.