Jump to content

☼ dan998: Cold turkey, reinstatement and tapering citalopram


Dan998

Recommended Posts

The best place to post it would be here

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/forum/16-from-journals-and-scientific-sources/

using Apace 41 link and I have to warn you be very careful how it is put in that thread and follow the rules specifically as this is one Area of this site that is very important to Alto and if it is not done right she will be upset... so read it carefully... and check first to be sure it is not there already.  

 

Peace Dan

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

Link to comment
  • Moderator Emeritus

Btdt,

 

No studies including the parameters you have suggested have been done and they are not being done no studies on how to heal this wd damage. That scares me... 

 

I understand, btdt, but experience on this site would argue strongly that there is nothing "special" that can be done to heal the w/d damage and that, over time, which can't be quantified, healing takes place.  Relying on an industry that is too invested in profit to care about the consequence would not lead to useful data in any event.  Plus, there is no incentive for those making money off this to do the studies and they fund those who ostensible are protecting our interests.

 

Depending on a computer withdrawal website for my mental and health care... that scares me so you can see what scares one person on this site and what scares others on this site can differ greatly.

 

It does seem unorthodox but it is, in my view, consistent with the overwhelming trend to put your future in your own hands in many ways, whether it be retirement savings or health care.  The speed of new drug delivery is so rapid the idea that the FDA or anyone else will protect us is ludicrous so we have to be our own advocates.  Just would have been nice to have known that 20 years ago.

 

I have to warn you be very careful how it is put in that thread and follow the rules specifically as this is one Area of this site that is very important to Alto and if it is not done right she will be upset... so read it carefully... and check first to be sure it is not there already.  

 

Yes, I'm aware of the stringency and, to be candid, I'm intimidated.  I'd need a couple of drinks before I'd be emboldened to try my hand.  Since I'm not drinking these days given the tender state of my CNS, it might not happen for a while.  :P

 

Best,

 

Andy

Sertraline 50mg and Clonazapam .375mg from 2000 -- symptoms of dizziness Spring 2012

increased to .5 Clonazapam and 100mg Sertraline -- no improvement

Benzo microtaper from November 2012 to November 2014 (followed benzo sites "taper benzo first")

Started Sertraline taper in December 2014 cut by 25mg to 75mg; 62.5mg 1/1/15 and 50mg on 2/1/15

Held at 50mg through April 5 to use liquid 
Reduced dosage in 10% or less drops from 50mg to 25mg -- at single tablet of 25mg on 10/5/15

Transitioned to all liquid for accuracy while tapering -- Horrible insomnia -- back to 25mg liquid and held until October 1, 2016

10/16 -- 11/18 tapered very slowly to 10.6mg.  No real improvement and never really stable so updosed to 12.5mg (1/2 a pill) for convenience and long hold.

After 8+ months of holding with no noticeable improvement decided to add .4ml of liquid Prozac (about 1.5mg) to see if that improves the situation

Supplements, Magnesium, D3, Omega 3, curcumin, Valerian, 81mg Aspirin, L-Theanine, Vit. C,

 

Link to comment

Flowers, I am having a window at the moment. I actually had an anxiety free day yesterday. I'm hoping that it is similar to the crippling headaches I used to get. I had those for ages and thought they would never end, but they did, and now I hardly get them at all. It would be great if the same thing happens with the anxiety. It's been my constant companion for the last 18 months.

That's great news Dan - anxiety is so hard to live with.

 

Let's hope it lessens as time goes on like your headaches have.

 

Hope you have a good weekend.

15 yrs on 20 to 30 mgs CITALOPRAM.  MAY 2014 Increased to 40 mgs per day.SEPT/NOV 2014 tapered in 6 weeks down to 10 mgs as per Dr instructions due to violent nightmares/palpitations.Given Noctamid (lormetazepam) to help with anxiety. On average took 2mg per day for 8 weeks.No taper was advised.DEC 2014 WD severe. Nervous tic in eyes and limbs, muscle pain,fluct  temp, weakness, dep and anxiety, nausea, giddy, unstable when walking. Different Dr suggested taking 20mgs CIT. BROMAZEPAM 3mgs up to 3 x daily for anxiety.DEC 9 2014 Updose CIT to 30mgs. Only taking BROMAZEPAM in emergency.DEC 31 2014 Settling at 30mg CIT - helping with depression. No Brom for 2wks.Found SA.APR 2015 Trying to stabilise on 30mgs CIT.  JAN 2016 Started Cit Taper reducing by 5% per month.  28.5 mgs 
FEB  Taper held bereavement. APR Taper resumed 27mgs . MAY 25.50 mgs .  JUNE 24 mgs .  JULY I stupidly mixed up my BP meds with CIT. Consequently took no CIT for 3 days and doubled my BP meds. Waiting for the fallout....Holding for a while until any chance of repercussions have abated. SEPT taper resumed to  22.5 mgs . OCT 21 mgs .NOV 19.95 mgs DEC crashed. 2017: FEB 3rd updose to 20.5 mgs to try to stabilise.FEB.switched over to 75mgs of Venlafaxine XR for 3 weeks.Too stimulating so switching back to Cit. 12 March 37.5 Ven and 20 Cit. 21 March 18mg Ven 20mg Cit. 4 April 9mg Ven 20mg Cit. Xanax .50mg when needed.  13 April 0 mgs Ven, 20mg Citalopram. Xanax .50 mg per day. 5 May reinstated a small amount of Ven to stabilize  1 mg twice a day. 20 mg Citalopram at night. Xanax .25 mg twice per day.Other Meds: Losartan (BP)Started 1993 at  50 mgs at night.  Seretide (Asthma) Started 1996 at 1 puff twice a day. Jan 2019 Antibiotic Ceclor 500mgs twice a day for bronchitis and  Atrovent 2ml capsules twice a day for asthma. Finished the course of both Jan 17. 

XANAX  Jan 27  - Feb 3 2019 Failed Valium Crossover.   Feb 14 2019  Updosed Xanax by .0625  Feb 17 2019 Decreased Xanax by .0625. Back to .50mg daily.  Update Xanax 28.2.20 tapered to .1250 mg 8am .25 mg midnight. Update Xanax 11.8.21 tapered to .25 mg at night. 

Current Meds 28.2.19: CITALOPRAM  20mg  taken at midnight. VENLAFAXINE  .9 mg twice a day at 8am and 10pm.  XANAX .50 mg split into 4 doses per day. 10am .0625mg / 2pm .1250mg/ 6pm .0625mg / midnight .25mg.Update 10.8.22 .25 mg at night.  LOSARTAN 50 mgs taken at midnight.  SERETIDE 1 puff taken at 8am and 10pm.   7.7.19 VENLAFAXINE UPDATE: Started tapering 10% every 4 weeks. Currently .4 mg twice a day at 8am and 10 pm.  2.9.19 .36 mg x 2. 1.10.19  .32 mg x 2. 26.11.19 .29 mg x2. 26.12.19 .26 mg  x 2. 23.1.20  .23 mg x 2.  20.2.20 .21 mg x2.20.3.20  .19 mg x 2. 21.4.20 .17 mg x 2. 19.5.20 .13 mg x 2.  18.6.20 .11mg  x 2 .18.7.20.10 mg x 2.1.9.20.09 mg x 2. 30.9. 20 .08 mg x 2. 1.11.20 .07 mg x 2.  2.12.20 .06 mg x 2.  8.1.21 .05 mg x 2.  4.2.21 .04 mg x 2. 9.3.21 .03 mgx2.  7.4.21  .02 mg x 2.  9.5.21 .01 mg x 2.  21.6.21 .01 mg x 1.  11.8.21 ZERO!

 

Link to comment

at the risk of making Dans tail bushy sorry in advance Dan not taking over I will say no more about this after this post unless we move to my own thread...

 

"experience on this site would argue strongly that there is nothing "special" that can be done "

based on what we know now without the benefit of decent study progress means we grow in knowledge surely there is room for progress 

 

"too invested in profit to care about the consequence would not lead to useful data in any event."

We would have to hand pick the people who do the work.. Grace Jackson Glenmullen Healy... who else?  it can't be funded in the normal way...that is obvious to me and others. Incentive would have to be good old fashioned reason for any study... mentioned above... knowledge/healing. 

 

"Just would have been nice to have known that 20 years ago." 

Timeline is a bit off for me... 27 years ago... that is a lifetime. 

 

I am not saying it would be easy or that anybody would ever do it.  A creative endeavour for funding something in the way Bernie Sanders is funding his campaign few bucks from a lot of people. For that I could eat grass and send in my food money.

WE can't keep going the way we are can we? In relation to how drugs are put to market devil may care attitude is killing and injuring people maybe we can but it seems stupid to me. 

wishing you all peace...

sorry Dan

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

Link to comment
  • Moderator Emeritus
I’ll admit that I was initially quite angry at having my post savaged like that. Thankfully, I’d read something that Brass had posted about the anger spiral, so I recognised what was happening and just walked away and tried to think about something else until I was able to calmly respond.

 

As far as I know there are no doctors, psychiatrists or pharmacologists on the staff of this site. All of the advice that we are able to provide to people in withdrawal comes from personal experience, reading the accounts of other members and the little nuggets of information that are unearthed by people, like ourselves, who spend hours and hours trawling through tedious scientific research that is intentionally made difficult to understand. 

 

 

I tend to agree with btdt that depending on a computer withdrawal website for my mental and health care is scary. I too would much rather that the medical profession take this issue seriously and I would also donate money towards some proper research so that they can find a way to safely get us off these medicines. Until this happens all we can do is struggle on as best we can and document the harm that has been done to us. 

 

Fighting amongst ourselves helps no-one. Especially, when our emotions are in overdrive because of withdrawal. We all need to work together here.

 

Andy, you were right to point out that there were some mistakes in what I had written. We have a responsibility to make sure that the information we provide is as factually correct as possible. But, I feel you could have handled it more sensitively. Maybe an offer to share your understanding of this subject and to collaborate on improving it, might have been more appropriate?

 

Anyway, I still think it is a fascinating image.

2001: 20mg paroxetine
2003-2014: Switched between 20mg citalopram and 10mg escitalopram with several failed CT's
2015: Jan/ Feb-very fast taper off citalopram; Mar/ Apr-crashed; 23 Apr-reinstated 5mg; 05 May-updosed to 10mg; 15 Jul-started taper; Aug-9.0mg; Sep-8.1mg; Oct-7.6mg; Nov-6.8mg; Dec-6.2mg
2016: Jan-5.7mg; Feb-5.2mg; Mar-5.0mg;  Apr-4.5mg; May-4.05mg; Jun-3.65mg; Jul-3.3mg; Aug-2.95mg; 04Sep-2.65mg; 25Sep-2.4mg; 23Oct-2.15mg; 13Nov-1.95mg; 04Dec-1.75mg; 25Dec-1.55mg.
2017: 08Jan-1.4mg; 22Jan-1.25mg; 12Feb-1.1mg; 26Feb-1.0mg; 05Mar-0.9mg; 15Mar-0.8mg; 22Mar-0.7mg; 02Apr-0.6; 09Apr-0.5mg; 16Apr-0.4mg; 23Apr-0.3; 03May-0.2mg; 10May-0.1mg

Finished taper 17 May 2017.

Read my success story

 

I am not a medical professional. The information I provide is not medical advice. If in doubt please consult with a qualified healthcare provider.

Link to comment
  • Moderator Emeritus

 

Andy, you were right to point out that there were some mistakes in what I had written. We have a responsibility to make sure that the information we provide is as factually correct as possible. But, I feel you could have handled it more sensitively. Maybe an offer to share your understanding of this subject and to collaborate on improving it, might have been more appropriate?

 

Dan,

 

My apologies if you felt I was "heavy-handed". Not my intent and I feel badly if I upset or irritated you. I just saw a couple of people "overreacting" to the pictures and wanted to provide some greater context.

 

Best,

 

Andy

Sertraline 50mg and Clonazapam .375mg from 2000 -- symptoms of dizziness Spring 2012

increased to .5 Clonazapam and 100mg Sertraline -- no improvement

Benzo microtaper from November 2012 to November 2014 (followed benzo sites "taper benzo first")

Started Sertraline taper in December 2014 cut by 25mg to 75mg; 62.5mg 1/1/15 and 50mg on 2/1/15

Held at 50mg through April 5 to use liquid 
Reduced dosage in 10% or less drops from 50mg to 25mg -- at single tablet of 25mg on 10/5/15

Transitioned to all liquid for accuracy while tapering -- Horrible insomnia -- back to 25mg liquid and held until October 1, 2016

10/16 -- 11/18 tapered very slowly to 10.6mg.  No real improvement and never really stable so updosed to 12.5mg (1/2 a pill) for convenience and long hold.

After 8+ months of holding with no noticeable improvement decided to add .4ml of liquid Prozac (about 1.5mg) to see if that improves the situation

Supplements, Magnesium, D3, Omega 3, curcumin, Valerian, 81mg Aspirin, L-Theanine, Vit. C,

 

Link to comment
  • Moderator Emeritus

Fair enough. I can see your point of view. I shall be a bit more careful next time I post this sort of thing.

2001: 20mg paroxetine
2003-2014: Switched between 20mg citalopram and 10mg escitalopram with several failed CT's
2015: Jan/ Feb-very fast taper off citalopram; Mar/ Apr-crashed; 23 Apr-reinstated 5mg; 05 May-updosed to 10mg; 15 Jul-started taper; Aug-9.0mg; Sep-8.1mg; Oct-7.6mg; Nov-6.8mg; Dec-6.2mg
2016: Jan-5.7mg; Feb-5.2mg; Mar-5.0mg;  Apr-4.5mg; May-4.05mg; Jun-3.65mg; Jul-3.3mg; Aug-2.95mg; 04Sep-2.65mg; 25Sep-2.4mg; 23Oct-2.15mg; 13Nov-1.95mg; 04Dec-1.75mg; 25Dec-1.55mg.
2017: 08Jan-1.4mg; 22Jan-1.25mg; 12Feb-1.1mg; 26Feb-1.0mg; 05Mar-0.9mg; 15Mar-0.8mg; 22Mar-0.7mg; 02Apr-0.6; 09Apr-0.5mg; 16Apr-0.4mg; 23Apr-0.3; 03May-0.2mg; 10May-0.1mg

Finished taper 17 May 2017.

Read my success story

 

I am not a medical professional. The information I provide is not medical advice. If in doubt please consult with a qualified healthcare provider.

Link to comment

There is an interesting new thing going on with Citizen groups and research.. take a look at this. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/12303-citizen-science-pharma/

 

I am not sure what to think of it... it is interesting.

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

Link to comment
  • Moderator Emeritus
"Ezra Hewing, head of mental health education at Suffolk Mind said: “The only long term solution for people experiencing depression is a lifestyle which gives them the best chance of meeting important physical and emotional needs.

 

“These needs include: a balanced diet and regular exercise; taking time out to relax and sticking to a healthy sleep regime; a safe place to unwind and get privacy from the demands of everyday life; spending time with people who we are close to and make us feel cared for; staying connected to the wider community; and activities which give us an opportunity to learn and help others, which in turn gives us a sense that life has meaning and purpose.” - http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/why_are_so_many_people_in_suffolk_and_north_essex_prescribed_antidepressants_1_4561257

 

I would totally agree with this. I've always thought that I should never have gone on AD's and wish I had tried making some drastic lifestyle changes instead.

 

 

2001: 20mg paroxetine
2003-2014: Switched between 20mg citalopram and 10mg escitalopram with several failed CT's
2015: Jan/ Feb-very fast taper off citalopram; Mar/ Apr-crashed; 23 Apr-reinstated 5mg; 05 May-updosed to 10mg; 15 Jul-started taper; Aug-9.0mg; Sep-8.1mg; Oct-7.6mg; Nov-6.8mg; Dec-6.2mg
2016: Jan-5.7mg; Feb-5.2mg; Mar-5.0mg;  Apr-4.5mg; May-4.05mg; Jun-3.65mg; Jul-3.3mg; Aug-2.95mg; 04Sep-2.65mg; 25Sep-2.4mg; 23Oct-2.15mg; 13Nov-1.95mg; 04Dec-1.75mg; 25Dec-1.55mg.
2017: 08Jan-1.4mg; 22Jan-1.25mg; 12Feb-1.1mg; 26Feb-1.0mg; 05Mar-0.9mg; 15Mar-0.8mg; 22Mar-0.7mg; 02Apr-0.6; 09Apr-0.5mg; 16Apr-0.4mg; 23Apr-0.3; 03May-0.2mg; 10May-0.1mg

Finished taper 17 May 2017.

Read my success story

 

I am not a medical professional. The information I provide is not medical advice. If in doubt please consult with a qualified healthcare provider.

Link to comment

I like it also. We can do that if we survive this ordeal.

05/2013 Lyrica 100 mg / per day for pain + PGAD resulting from caesarian delivery11/2014 started to taper: 50 mg per day/ for one week then c/tafter one month reinstated at 50 mg /per days of 10 July 2015 drug free-

symptoms OCD

Link to comment

I like that she mentions the opportunity to help others, I find it very important.

05/2013 Lyrica 100 mg / per day for pain + PGAD resulting from caesarian delivery11/2014 started to taper: 50 mg per day/ for one week then c/tafter one month reinstated at 50 mg /per days of 10 July 2015 drug free-

symptoms OCD

Link to comment
  • Moderator Emeritus

Yes, helping others is a great way to distract ourselves from our own problems.

2001: 20mg paroxetine
2003-2014: Switched between 20mg citalopram and 10mg escitalopram with several failed CT's
2015: Jan/ Feb-very fast taper off citalopram; Mar/ Apr-crashed; 23 Apr-reinstated 5mg; 05 May-updosed to 10mg; 15 Jul-started taper; Aug-9.0mg; Sep-8.1mg; Oct-7.6mg; Nov-6.8mg; Dec-6.2mg
2016: Jan-5.7mg; Feb-5.2mg; Mar-5.0mg;  Apr-4.5mg; May-4.05mg; Jun-3.65mg; Jul-3.3mg; Aug-2.95mg; 04Sep-2.65mg; 25Sep-2.4mg; 23Oct-2.15mg; 13Nov-1.95mg; 04Dec-1.75mg; 25Dec-1.55mg.
2017: 08Jan-1.4mg; 22Jan-1.25mg; 12Feb-1.1mg; 26Feb-1.0mg; 05Mar-0.9mg; 15Mar-0.8mg; 22Mar-0.7mg; 02Apr-0.6; 09Apr-0.5mg; 16Apr-0.4mg; 23Apr-0.3; 03May-0.2mg; 10May-0.1mg

Finished taper 17 May 2017.

Read my success story

 

I am not a medical professional. The information I provide is not medical advice. If in doubt please consult with a qualified healthcare provider.

Link to comment

Are Suffolk and North Essex poor areas in the UK?  

 

"Nationally, the Council for Evidence Based Psychiatry found the number of prescriptions issued increased by 92% between 2003-13, prompting warnings doctors were offering the drugs too readily. In Suffolk and north Essex, the number increased by an average of 16% in two years alone."

 

On the thread where Whitaker takes this to the British parliament there is talk of poor people taking the drugs to get benefits... it sounds crazy to me but it is hard to tell from Canada. If there was not a corrupt and broken system pushing these drugs they would not be able to get them either way the first trouble started with availability and that came from the lie of chemical imbalance. 

 

I think everybody needs meaning and purpose ... and a sense of connection to others be it community or social... seems I personally have lost most of this.  I don't think we should wait till we are completely healed to get some of this back as it would be too much.  I also think this site for me fills some of the needs on the list thankfully. 

 

"Research by the Nuffield Trust and Health Foundation examined the impact of the recession on prescriptions. While it failed to find strong links between factors such as levels of deprivation, it did note a connection with unemployment rates."

 

It is not like the old days where most people owned land and could farm for food ect... now without money life stops. 

 

"They said some of the prescription figures could relate treatments to other conditions, such as nerve pain."

 

Poor suckers are falling into my old trap ADs for pain. 

 

Essex - where my father's family started I can only go back to 1300's .... never been. 

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

Link to comment
  • Moderator Emeritus

I doubt that people are getting deliberately put on AD's in an attempt to get disability benefits. The Govt cracked down on that sort of thing after the recession. You'd have to be a gibbering wreck, with incontinence and no arms or legs before you got any money... and they'd probably still pass you as fit for work. There are terminally ill people that don't qualify for disability benefits these days. They have to go on jobseekers allowance and prove that they are actively seeking employment.

 

Yep, helping out on here is definitely beneficial. I wish I could do more, but it takes me ages to write anything. My writing used to flow likes yours does, now I have to plan out every paragraph and read everything back, before rearranging everything again until it makes sense. Most of what I do write gets deleted.

 

Sometimes I can't be bothered with it all and just lurk about, reading posts and not commenting. I can think the words in my head and know exactly what I want to say, but the words don't stay in my memory long enough to actually reach the page. Very frustrating.

2001: 20mg paroxetine
2003-2014: Switched between 20mg citalopram and 10mg escitalopram with several failed CT's
2015: Jan/ Feb-very fast taper off citalopram; Mar/ Apr-crashed; 23 Apr-reinstated 5mg; 05 May-updosed to 10mg; 15 Jul-started taper; Aug-9.0mg; Sep-8.1mg; Oct-7.6mg; Nov-6.8mg; Dec-6.2mg
2016: Jan-5.7mg; Feb-5.2mg; Mar-5.0mg;  Apr-4.5mg; May-4.05mg; Jun-3.65mg; Jul-3.3mg; Aug-2.95mg; 04Sep-2.65mg; 25Sep-2.4mg; 23Oct-2.15mg; 13Nov-1.95mg; 04Dec-1.75mg; 25Dec-1.55mg.
2017: 08Jan-1.4mg; 22Jan-1.25mg; 12Feb-1.1mg; 26Feb-1.0mg; 05Mar-0.9mg; 15Mar-0.8mg; 22Mar-0.7mg; 02Apr-0.6; 09Apr-0.5mg; 16Apr-0.4mg; 23Apr-0.3; 03May-0.2mg; 10May-0.1mg

Finished taper 17 May 2017.

Read my success story

 

I am not a medical professional. The information I provide is not medical advice. If in doubt please consult with a qualified healthcare provider.

Link to comment

Dan, I think it is normal - this rearranging things and reading all the text twice and correcting it again, I am also doing it. I have always done it, even before the drugs. Currently, I make it also with the painting. First I am satisfied with the outcome, then I find the failure, then I correct it and then on the end I find out that the first version was the best. Mostly the first spontan version is always the best, but this self-critic thinking always says no, it should be corrected.

05/2013 Lyrica 100 mg / per day for pain + PGAD resulting from caesarian delivery11/2014 started to taper: 50 mg per day/ for one week then c/tafter one month reinstated at 50 mg /per days of 10 July 2015 drug free-

symptoms OCD

Link to comment

Dan, you described it so well and I love your writing ( above)!

One line of a quick email response from me takes many minutes still full of typos and grammar errors is how my brain and hands can do now, very heartbreaking.

Drug free Sep. 23 2017

2009 Mar.: lexapro 10mg for headache for 2 weeks.

2009-2012: on and off 1/4 to 1/3 of 10mg

2012 June--2013 Jan,: 1/4-1/3 of 10mg generic, bad jaw pain

2013 Jan-Mar: 10 mg generic. severe jaw and head pain;

2013 Mar--Aug. started tapering (liquid ever since) from 10 to 5 (one step) then gradually down to 2.25 mg by July. first ever panic attack, severe head/jaw pain

2013 Aug.: back to 2.75 mg; Nov: back to Brand Lex. 2.75mg -- 3mg,

2014 June: stopped PPI, head pressure/numbness. up-dosed 4.5mg, severe reaction mental symptoms added on

2014 Aug--2015 Aug: Micro taper down to 3.2mg, .025mg (<1%) cut holding 2-3 weeks.

2015 Aug 15th, Accidental one dose of 4.2mg. worsening brain non-functional, swollen head, body, coma like, DR

2016 Feb., started dosing 10am through 11 pm everyday 2/13--3.2mg, 3/15-- 2.9mg, 4/19-- 2.6mg, 6/26--2.2mg, 7/22 --1.9mg, 8/16--1.8mg,8/31--1.7m g, 9/13--1.6mg, 9/27--1.5mg, 10/8--1.4mg, 10/14--1.3mg, 11/1--1.2mg, 11/29--1.1mg, 12/12--1mg, 12/22--0.9mg

2017: 1/7--0.8mg, 1/15--0.7mg, 1/17--0.6mg, 1/20--0.52, 1/21--0.4mg, 1/22--0.26, 1/23--0.2, 2/13--0.13mg, 2/20--0.06mg, 3/18--0.13mg, 6/1--0.12mg, 7/6--0.1mg, 7/14--0.08mg, 8/17--0.04mg, 8/20--0.03mg, 8/28--0.02mg, 9/6--0.0205mg, 9/8--0.02mg, 9/17--0.015mg, 9/20--0.01mg, 9/21--0.0048mg, 9/22--0.0001mg,

Link to comment
  • Moderator Emeritus

I'd not thought of it before, but I do seem to have developed some mild OCD-like symptoms during withdrawal. I have an urge to control everything and want everything to be perfect. I wasn't like this before or during the drugs, it's an entirely new thing. 

 

Martina, I had a look at your pictures. I liked them very much.

 

Lex, I'm sure it is just the drugs. I have found that the cog-fog lifts and my memory improves as the dose gets lower.

2001: 20mg paroxetine
2003-2014: Switched between 20mg citalopram and 10mg escitalopram with several failed CT's
2015: Jan/ Feb-very fast taper off citalopram; Mar/ Apr-crashed; 23 Apr-reinstated 5mg; 05 May-updosed to 10mg; 15 Jul-started taper; Aug-9.0mg; Sep-8.1mg; Oct-7.6mg; Nov-6.8mg; Dec-6.2mg
2016: Jan-5.7mg; Feb-5.2mg; Mar-5.0mg;  Apr-4.5mg; May-4.05mg; Jun-3.65mg; Jul-3.3mg; Aug-2.95mg; 04Sep-2.65mg; 25Sep-2.4mg; 23Oct-2.15mg; 13Nov-1.95mg; 04Dec-1.75mg; 25Dec-1.55mg.
2017: 08Jan-1.4mg; 22Jan-1.25mg; 12Feb-1.1mg; 26Feb-1.0mg; 05Mar-0.9mg; 15Mar-0.8mg; 22Mar-0.7mg; 02Apr-0.6; 09Apr-0.5mg; 16Apr-0.4mg; 23Apr-0.3; 03May-0.2mg; 10May-0.1mg

Finished taper 17 May 2017.

Read my success story

 

I am not a medical professional. The information I provide is not medical advice. If in doubt please consult with a qualified healthcare provider.

Link to comment
  • Moderator Emeritus

I've been in a nice window for the last couple of days :)

 

The anxiety has been hardly noticeable. Apart from this morning when I tried to see if I could tolerate coffee. I can't. It made me agitated all morning. Note to self: do not drink coffee. 

 

Hey, you know how I'm always complaining about anhedonia, and that I never look forward to anything? Well, I am actually looking forward to something, I am due to make another cut this weekend and I felt a small glimmer of excitement about this because the last 3 cuts have been really easy. I'll have a week of feeling a bit bleurgh, but nothing too horrific. Then I get about two weeks of feeling alright, with a few days of feeling fairly good where I almost forget I'm in withdrawal... I wish I could somehow extend this feeling of normality.

 

This has prompted me to consider trying a new tapering strategy. I've experimented with all of the tapering plans and I find that a bigger cut with a longer hold is better than doing smaller cuts more frequently. I'm wondering if doing 15% and holding for 5-6 weeks, or 20% every 7-8 weeks, might be worth a try? My logic here is that every time you cut you destabilize your brain. So why not cut deeper, but not too deep, and do it less often?

2001: 20mg paroxetine
2003-2014: Switched between 20mg citalopram and 10mg escitalopram with several failed CT's
2015: Jan/ Feb-very fast taper off citalopram; Mar/ Apr-crashed; 23 Apr-reinstated 5mg; 05 May-updosed to 10mg; 15 Jul-started taper; Aug-9.0mg; Sep-8.1mg; Oct-7.6mg; Nov-6.8mg; Dec-6.2mg
2016: Jan-5.7mg; Feb-5.2mg; Mar-5.0mg;  Apr-4.5mg; May-4.05mg; Jun-3.65mg; Jul-3.3mg; Aug-2.95mg; 04Sep-2.65mg; 25Sep-2.4mg; 23Oct-2.15mg; 13Nov-1.95mg; 04Dec-1.75mg; 25Dec-1.55mg.
2017: 08Jan-1.4mg; 22Jan-1.25mg; 12Feb-1.1mg; 26Feb-1.0mg; 05Mar-0.9mg; 15Mar-0.8mg; 22Mar-0.7mg; 02Apr-0.6; 09Apr-0.5mg; 16Apr-0.4mg; 23Apr-0.3; 03May-0.2mg; 10May-0.1mg

Finished taper 17 May 2017.

Read my success story

 

I am not a medical professional. The information I provide is not medical advice. If in doubt please consult with a qualified healthcare provider.

Link to comment
  • Moderator Emeritus

I'm anticipating a chorus of "NO. DON'T DO IT!!" from all the mods now. 

2001: 20mg paroxetine
2003-2014: Switched between 20mg citalopram and 10mg escitalopram with several failed CT's
2015: Jan/ Feb-very fast taper off citalopram; Mar/ Apr-crashed; 23 Apr-reinstated 5mg; 05 May-updosed to 10mg; 15 Jul-started taper; Aug-9.0mg; Sep-8.1mg; Oct-7.6mg; Nov-6.8mg; Dec-6.2mg
2016: Jan-5.7mg; Feb-5.2mg; Mar-5.0mg;  Apr-4.5mg; May-4.05mg; Jun-3.65mg; Jul-3.3mg; Aug-2.95mg; 04Sep-2.65mg; 25Sep-2.4mg; 23Oct-2.15mg; 13Nov-1.95mg; 04Dec-1.75mg; 25Dec-1.55mg.
2017: 08Jan-1.4mg; 22Jan-1.25mg; 12Feb-1.1mg; 26Feb-1.0mg; 05Mar-0.9mg; 15Mar-0.8mg; 22Mar-0.7mg; 02Apr-0.6; 09Apr-0.5mg; 16Apr-0.4mg; 23Apr-0.3; 03May-0.2mg; 10May-0.1mg

Finished taper 17 May 2017.

Read my success story

 

I am not a medical professional. The information I provide is not medical advice. If in doubt please consult with a qualified healthcare provider.

Link to comment

Dan, I think you should go after your feeling, if you will feel ok after 20% cut, then you can continue with 20%, the highest principle should be what your body feels ok with.

05/2013 Lyrica 100 mg / per day for pain + PGAD resulting from caesarian delivery11/2014 started to taper: 50 mg per day/ for one week then c/tafter one month reinstated at 50 mg /per days of 10 July 2015 drug free-

symptoms OCD

Link to comment
  • Moderator Emeritus

I'm anticipating a chorus of "NO. DON'T DO IT!!" from all the mods now. 

 

LOL, Dan.  I don't think you will get that chorus.  The goal of SA is to give members guidance based on what we have seen to be the best accepted practices for safely getting off antidepressants.  That does NOT however suggest that the same rules would apply to all people in all situations.  As has been the repeated mantra on this site, each person has a different individual biochemistry.  What works for one may or may not work for another.  Hence the reason we are so adamant about telling people not to compare themselves to others or use others as a "model" for their tapering approaches.

 

As Martina said, the most important thing is to listen to your own body.  It sounds like you are in a pretty good groove of knowing how your body will react to a cut and that allows you the opportunity to monitor any different size cut very carefully.  If it seems like things are not going as you would expect you can quickly jump in to minimize any problems. 

 

So, my thought is that if you feel like trying a bigger cut seems right given where you are and how you are progressing, it's worth a try so long as you are open to reversing things if necessary.  In addition, I would want to know that you are being honest with yourself and believe your body is ready for a bigger cut rather than doing it because you are "anxious to get off the meds." 

 

Assuming you are comfortable with that decision, I would certainly advocate for 15% before trying 20%, but I would not be one to dump cold water on the idea.

 

Best,

 

Andy

Sertraline 50mg and Clonazapam .375mg from 2000 -- symptoms of dizziness Spring 2012

increased to .5 Clonazapam and 100mg Sertraline -- no improvement

Benzo microtaper from November 2012 to November 2014 (followed benzo sites "taper benzo first")

Started Sertraline taper in December 2014 cut by 25mg to 75mg; 62.5mg 1/1/15 and 50mg on 2/1/15

Held at 50mg through April 5 to use liquid 
Reduced dosage in 10% or less drops from 50mg to 25mg -- at single tablet of 25mg on 10/5/15

Transitioned to all liquid for accuracy while tapering -- Horrible insomnia -- back to 25mg liquid and held until October 1, 2016

10/16 -- 11/18 tapered very slowly to 10.6mg.  No real improvement and never really stable so updosed to 12.5mg (1/2 a pill) for convenience and long hold.

After 8+ months of holding with no noticeable improvement decided to add .4ml of liquid Prozac (about 1.5mg) to see if that improves the situation

Supplements, Magnesium, D3, Omega 3, curcumin, Valerian, 81mg Aspirin, L-Theanine, Vit. C,

 

Link to comment
  • Moderator Emeritus

Agreed with Andy.  I will be interested to see how this strategy plays out for you.  I hope it works!  I can see the logic in it, really.

 

Back in the day when I was on Effexor indefinitely, I had gone up to a pretty high dose but decided that I didn't want to be on so much so dropped back down by whole pill increments.  In hindsight I know I had withdrawal because my concentration would be really bad and I had several incidences with our truck that were due to cog fog.  But, then I'd be on that new dose for months and years before making any other change. 

 

There may be bigger symptoms for a period but then settling out and getting good and stable for a longer period.  We shall learn from your little experiment, Dan, one way or the other!

 

SG

Started ADs back around 1995 after bad break-up, starting with Prozac.  Switched to Wellbutrin, and then to Effexor in 2002
Effexor XR 2002-2014 up to 225 mg at one point, down to 37.5 mg towards end but back up to 75 mg in 2014; now realize I had W/D as I dropped down, memory very poor about history.  Extreme emotions, poor concentration as I stepped back down, didn't connect the dots!
Summer 2014 reduced to 0 very quickly, was sick of anhedonia/sexual dysfunction due to meds, depression never controlled if not worse. Didn't recognize WD since symptoms built slowly (thought I had ADD! and menopausal on top of it), starting with severe sweats, very bad cog-fog and memory issues, culminating in weight loss, severe anxiety and depression, panic, severe apathy and insomnia by eight months off.  Saw p-doc who put me on Remeron, increased from 7.5 mg/day to 37.5 mg by May 22, 2015; still doing very badly though able to sleep.

June 1. 2015 Reinstated Effexor XR 37.5 mg, Remeron dropped to 30 mg PM. Immediate relief of symptoms, like nothing had ever happened!  Joined SA and began on advice of friend who recognized it was WD all along! Began tapering in July 2015.

Been tapering both meds ever since, focusing on one more than the other or doing no more than 5% of each per month.

12 mg Effexor and 5.8 mg Remeron (mirtazapine SolTabs to make a solution with OraPlus) as of 5/4/2017 

Update 3/14/18: 2.9 mg Remeron and 6 mg Effexor; 6/10/18:  2.6 mg Remeron and 4.9 mg Effexor

 

My intro: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/9313-squirrellygirl-effexor-withdrawal-etc/page-2#entry196679

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

Link to comment
  • Moderator Emeritus

Thanks, Andy.

 

Rest assured I'm not planning to do this to get off any quicker. I just see a pattern forming and want to test my hunch that bigger cuts, done less frequently, might work better for me.

 

I think that monthly tapering is recommended on SA because the timing of a cut can be conveniently scheduled around a woman's menstrual cycle. But that doesn't apply to us fellas.

 

I shall test the waters with a 15% cut and hold for 6 weeks, which is almost the same as 10% over 4 weeks.

 

I will also keep detailed notes on a spreadsheet so that I can easily see if things are heading in the wrong direction and i am fully prepared for an extended hold or an updose if I run into any significant difficulties.

2001: 20mg paroxetine
2003-2014: Switched between 20mg citalopram and 10mg escitalopram with several failed CT's
2015: Jan/ Feb-very fast taper off citalopram; Mar/ Apr-crashed; 23 Apr-reinstated 5mg; 05 May-updosed to 10mg; 15 Jul-started taper; Aug-9.0mg; Sep-8.1mg; Oct-7.6mg; Nov-6.8mg; Dec-6.2mg
2016: Jan-5.7mg; Feb-5.2mg; Mar-5.0mg;  Apr-4.5mg; May-4.05mg; Jun-3.65mg; Jul-3.3mg; Aug-2.95mg; 04Sep-2.65mg; 25Sep-2.4mg; 23Oct-2.15mg; 13Nov-1.95mg; 04Dec-1.75mg; 25Dec-1.55mg.
2017: 08Jan-1.4mg; 22Jan-1.25mg; 12Feb-1.1mg; 26Feb-1.0mg; 05Mar-0.9mg; 15Mar-0.8mg; 22Mar-0.7mg; 02Apr-0.6; 09Apr-0.5mg; 16Apr-0.4mg; 23Apr-0.3; 03May-0.2mg; 10May-0.1mg

Finished taper 17 May 2017.

Read my success story

 

I am not a medical professional. The information I provide is not medical advice. If in doubt please consult with a qualified healthcare provider.

Link to comment
  • Moderator Emeritus

Well SG, there's no real science being done into withdrawal, so we can only learn what works and what doesn't through trial and error.

2001: 20mg paroxetine
2003-2014: Switched between 20mg citalopram and 10mg escitalopram with several failed CT's
2015: Jan/ Feb-very fast taper off citalopram; Mar/ Apr-crashed; 23 Apr-reinstated 5mg; 05 May-updosed to 10mg; 15 Jul-started taper; Aug-9.0mg; Sep-8.1mg; Oct-7.6mg; Nov-6.8mg; Dec-6.2mg
2016: Jan-5.7mg; Feb-5.2mg; Mar-5.0mg;  Apr-4.5mg; May-4.05mg; Jun-3.65mg; Jul-3.3mg; Aug-2.95mg; 04Sep-2.65mg; 25Sep-2.4mg; 23Oct-2.15mg; 13Nov-1.95mg; 04Dec-1.75mg; 25Dec-1.55mg.
2017: 08Jan-1.4mg; 22Jan-1.25mg; 12Feb-1.1mg; 26Feb-1.0mg; 05Mar-0.9mg; 15Mar-0.8mg; 22Mar-0.7mg; 02Apr-0.6; 09Apr-0.5mg; 16Apr-0.4mg; 23Apr-0.3; 03May-0.2mg; 10May-0.1mg

Finished taper 17 May 2017.

Read my success story

 

I am not a medical professional. The information I provide is not medical advice. If in doubt please consult with a qualified healthcare provider.

Link to comment

One thing we think we know is that the lower the dose the more affect a cut has on you... I think I have that right... larger cuts can be done earlier on rather than later... there is a chart on here about this.  It shows generally that at higher dose you have filled the capacity of the drug in the body... so earlier cutting is not felt much as you get down to the lower doses that is when you body really feels the drop.  

It was a link to the last psychiatrist I think but I can't be sure ... surely somebody else on here knows where these charts are... I am not thinking well just now and don't know where to look for them. If I find them I will link them back here.

peace

 

This is one of the links but there are others

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/6036-why-taper-paper-demonstrates-importance-of-gradual-change-in-plasma-concentration/

 

Please don't play with it .. I am for sticking to the schedule... if you were to ever try a larger drop it should have been the first drop you ever made.  

 

I am going to give you an example in case you have as hard a time with this stuff as I do... 

 

if I have two kids on a teeter totter and one is fat the other is skinny i have to add 50 pound to the skinny kid to get the fat kid in the air...

 

if I add fifty more pounds of water the fat kid is not going any higher in the air... but some water may spill making my feet wet...( wet feet side effect of too much water) 

 

drug doses are like this once the receptor is saturated you can't put any more in the extra is just more apt to cause side effects

 

Now when I want to take the fat kid down out of the air i have to remove some water... say it is in pales to make my life easier ( just used water to get a side effect of wet feet nobody would use water :)

When I take away the first 50 pounds the fat kid still stays in the air... this is the amount of drug that saturates your receptors that can't take any more... so taking away half in the beginning is no big deal... 

 

if I take 25 pounds away the fat kids is going to be moving somewhat... we know something big is going on they are both flitting around some... not steady... in wd this is not good either...

 

but if I took the last 50 away the fat kid is going to fall and the skinny kid is going in the air... 

 

both make a sudden change this sort of adjustment is cold turkey... fast tapers and cold turkey are both very bad for your brain and you do NOT!!!! want to do either!

 

I do not care what other people say.. slow and steady is the way to go... here so here is your NO don't do it yell.  

 

Please stick with a slow taper plan your body and your brain will thank you... 

 

As much as you are feeling wd effects now you will feel them more as you get to the lower doses.. many people have to do smaller cuts and hold for a longer time as they get to the lower parts. 

 

I don't know where you fall on the scale like I said I have a hard time sorting out information sometimes I did when this was first posted and now I am back in a slump... this is 8+ years into this and believe me if I had the choice to not be here now I would be gone... but I did not know I needed to taper a doc took me off ct to switch me and i went from one bad idea to the next... don't be like me... the entire reason this site exist is to get you to not be like me or worse... 

 

do the slow taper the way it is outlined... 10% drops ...wait to get stable 10% of the currant dose.. if it gets too bad drop 5% and or wait longer before drops. 

 

Sorry if I sound heavy handed but you really don't want to be like me you don't. 

peace

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

Link to comment
  • Moderator Emeritus

You reminded me of some important points there, B. Good analogy about the teeter totter, we call it a see-saw over here. Personally, I like to visualise an aircraft making a landing. It can lose height fairly quickly as it makes its final approach, but as it nears the runway it has to slow its speed and rate of descent until the wheels gently touch the ground and it has a safe landing. Come in to fast or too steep and there will be a crash landing.

 

After much contemplation and having a re-read through the tapering thread, I've decided to stay with the 10% per month taper. The main reason I've decided to stick with the plan is because right now I don't have a problem with sleep, consistently getting 7 hours, and I don't want to do anything that jeopardises that. A bout of Insomnia will quickly wreck any progress I have made in the past few months and I just don't want to risk it.

 

Also, I'm not symptom free and do notice it every time I make a drop. So, for now, I'm sticking with the plan and looking forward to the improved memory and cognitive function that has recently accompanied every drop.

2001: 20mg paroxetine
2003-2014: Switched between 20mg citalopram and 10mg escitalopram with several failed CT's
2015: Jan/ Feb-very fast taper off citalopram; Mar/ Apr-crashed; 23 Apr-reinstated 5mg; 05 May-updosed to 10mg; 15 Jul-started taper; Aug-9.0mg; Sep-8.1mg; Oct-7.6mg; Nov-6.8mg; Dec-6.2mg
2016: Jan-5.7mg; Feb-5.2mg; Mar-5.0mg;  Apr-4.5mg; May-4.05mg; Jun-3.65mg; Jul-3.3mg; Aug-2.95mg; 04Sep-2.65mg; 25Sep-2.4mg; 23Oct-2.15mg; 13Nov-1.95mg; 04Dec-1.75mg; 25Dec-1.55mg.
2017: 08Jan-1.4mg; 22Jan-1.25mg; 12Feb-1.1mg; 26Feb-1.0mg; 05Mar-0.9mg; 15Mar-0.8mg; 22Mar-0.7mg; 02Apr-0.6; 09Apr-0.5mg; 16Apr-0.4mg; 23Apr-0.3; 03May-0.2mg; 10May-0.1mg

Finished taper 17 May 2017.

Read my success story

 

I am not a medical professional. The information I provide is not medical advice. If in doubt please consult with a qualified healthcare provider.

Link to comment

Wd teaches us things too sometimes we just need to be reminded.. like insomnia as you say above.  Listening it our bodies is a crucial point in wd sometimes we all get a bit carried away with an idea ...like me taking too many supplements all at the same time... people here know that is a bad idea yet I persisted and did it and got burned... and now have to start again.  

 

It is an odd learning curve for the stubborn who refuse to learn like me... but I have once again learned the hard way... the wd way.  

I hope you get the improvements in memory and cognition your looking forward to.  

 

I like the landing plane idea it is a lot less cumbersome than my idea I drug up out of the cobwebs in my head... like a dark attic walk trying to think some days.  Not pretty but effective I guess. There was a saying on pp ct is like slamming your head into a tree at a 100 miles an hour .. that was a fitting description too.  I found pp too late... glad you hear and tapering slowly. We should keep track of the good sayings when we find them. 

peace

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

Link to comment
  • Moderator Emeritus

The WD way is definitely the cruelest of teachers.

2001: 20mg paroxetine
2003-2014: Switched between 20mg citalopram and 10mg escitalopram with several failed CT's
2015: Jan/ Feb-very fast taper off citalopram; Mar/ Apr-crashed; 23 Apr-reinstated 5mg; 05 May-updosed to 10mg; 15 Jul-started taper; Aug-9.0mg; Sep-8.1mg; Oct-7.6mg; Nov-6.8mg; Dec-6.2mg
2016: Jan-5.7mg; Feb-5.2mg; Mar-5.0mg;  Apr-4.5mg; May-4.05mg; Jun-3.65mg; Jul-3.3mg; Aug-2.95mg; 04Sep-2.65mg; 25Sep-2.4mg; 23Oct-2.15mg; 13Nov-1.95mg; 04Dec-1.75mg; 25Dec-1.55mg.
2017: 08Jan-1.4mg; 22Jan-1.25mg; 12Feb-1.1mg; 26Feb-1.0mg; 05Mar-0.9mg; 15Mar-0.8mg; 22Mar-0.7mg; 02Apr-0.6; 09Apr-0.5mg; 16Apr-0.4mg; 23Apr-0.3; 03May-0.2mg; 10May-0.1mg

Finished taper 17 May 2017.

Read my success story

 

I am not a medical professional. The information I provide is not medical advice. If in doubt please consult with a qualified healthcare provider.

Link to comment

Certainly is but the lesson you will not forget. 

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

Link to comment
  • Administrator

Thanks, Andy.

 

Rest assured I'm not planning to do this to get off any quicker. I just see a pattern forming and want to test my hunch that bigger cuts, done less frequently, might work better for me.

 

I think that monthly tapering is recommended on SA because the timing of a cut can be conveniently scheduled around a woman's menstrual cycle. But that doesn't apply to us fellas.

 

I shall test the waters with a 15% cut and hold for 6 weeks, which is almost the same as 10% over 4 weeks.

 

I will also keep detailed notes on a spreadsheet so that I can easily see if things are heading in the wrong direction and i am fully prepared for an extended hold or an updose if I run into any significant difficulties.

 

No, it's not related to menstrual cycles. Approximately 4 weeks is the amount of time it takes to see the effect of the last decrease. Sometimes withdrawal symptoms take a while to manifest; for most, observation for 4 weeks will suffice.

 

If you get withdrawal symptoms after each decrease, and they either last more than a few days or are immediately intense, you are tapering too quickly or by too great an amount. The tapering process should minimize withdrawal symptoms.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

"It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein

All postings © copyrighted.

Link to comment
  • Moderator Emeritus

Alto, thanks for clarifying that for me, I was trying to work out where the rationale for monthly cutting came from. My GP wanted me to cut by 50% every 6 months and jump off at 2.5mg.

 

Your explanation is probably why I had problems with micro tapering. Too many cuts, without leaving enough time to see the effects and having it all catch up with me.

 

My symptoms seem to be becoming more mild and short lived with each drop. I decreased a week ago and have hardly noticed any difference from WD normal, I had some stomach cramps and flu-like symptoms for a couple of days, so I guess this means that I'm probably going at about the right pace.

 

I feel much more human as the dosage gets lower. It appears that the drugs really are my problem. 

2001: 20mg paroxetine
2003-2014: Switched between 20mg citalopram and 10mg escitalopram with several failed CT's
2015: Jan/ Feb-very fast taper off citalopram; Mar/ Apr-crashed; 23 Apr-reinstated 5mg; 05 May-updosed to 10mg; 15 Jul-started taper; Aug-9.0mg; Sep-8.1mg; Oct-7.6mg; Nov-6.8mg; Dec-6.2mg
2016: Jan-5.7mg; Feb-5.2mg; Mar-5.0mg;  Apr-4.5mg; May-4.05mg; Jun-3.65mg; Jul-3.3mg; Aug-2.95mg; 04Sep-2.65mg; 25Sep-2.4mg; 23Oct-2.15mg; 13Nov-1.95mg; 04Dec-1.75mg; 25Dec-1.55mg.
2017: 08Jan-1.4mg; 22Jan-1.25mg; 12Feb-1.1mg; 26Feb-1.0mg; 05Mar-0.9mg; 15Mar-0.8mg; 22Mar-0.7mg; 02Apr-0.6; 09Apr-0.5mg; 16Apr-0.4mg; 23Apr-0.3; 03May-0.2mg; 10May-0.1mg

Finished taper 17 May 2017.

Read my success story

 

I am not a medical professional. The information I provide is not medical advice. If in doubt please consult with a qualified healthcare provider.

Link to comment

Dan. The doctor's advice sounds questionable. 50 % is not good and as you get lower you have to become excruciatingly careful .

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/11051-when-to-end-the-taper-and-jump-to-zero/

Ali

Many SSRI's and SSNRI's over 20 years. Zoloft for 7 years followed by Effexor, Lexapro, Prozac, Cymbalta, Celexa, Pristiq, Valdoxan, Mianserin and more - on and off. No tapering. Cold turkey off Valdoxan - end of May 2014

 

                                                  Psych Drug - free since May 2014
.
         

Link to comment
  • Moderator Emeritus

No, I'm not following this advice. I just politely agree with my doctor, get my prescription and do my own thing.

2001: 20mg paroxetine
2003-2014: Switched between 20mg citalopram and 10mg escitalopram with several failed CT's
2015: Jan/ Feb-very fast taper off citalopram; Mar/ Apr-crashed; 23 Apr-reinstated 5mg; 05 May-updosed to 10mg; 15 Jul-started taper; Aug-9.0mg; Sep-8.1mg; Oct-7.6mg; Nov-6.8mg; Dec-6.2mg
2016: Jan-5.7mg; Feb-5.2mg; Mar-5.0mg;  Apr-4.5mg; May-4.05mg; Jun-3.65mg; Jul-3.3mg; Aug-2.95mg; 04Sep-2.65mg; 25Sep-2.4mg; 23Oct-2.15mg; 13Nov-1.95mg; 04Dec-1.75mg; 25Dec-1.55mg.
2017: 08Jan-1.4mg; 22Jan-1.25mg; 12Feb-1.1mg; 26Feb-1.0mg; 05Mar-0.9mg; 15Mar-0.8mg; 22Mar-0.7mg; 02Apr-0.6; 09Apr-0.5mg; 16Apr-0.4mg; 23Apr-0.3; 03May-0.2mg; 10May-0.1mg

Finished taper 17 May 2017.

Read my success story

 

I am not a medical professional. The information I provide is not medical advice. If in doubt please consult with a qualified healthcare provider.

Link to comment

Great ! That's the way to go . You're doing well . You had me worried, but I can see that you're in charge . :)

Well done .

Alison 

Many SSRI's and SSNRI's over 20 years. Zoloft for 7 years followed by Effexor, Lexapro, Prozac, Cymbalta, Celexa, Pristiq, Valdoxan, Mianserin and more - on and off. No tapering. Cold turkey off Valdoxan - end of May 2014

 

                                                  Psych Drug - free since May 2014
.
         

Link to comment
  • 1 month later...
  • Moderator Emeritus

A quick update. I'm doing okay, but still struggling with the usual lack of energy and motivation.

 

Things are improving. My brain seems to be functioning more normally and the world seems a little less alien. I'm getting better at having conversations when I go out.

 

I'm starting to feel hopeful about the future and am not dwelling on the past as much.

 

My hypersensitivity to light and sounds have also decreased and I'm sleeping well, but having really weird dreams.

 

I've been distracting myself with computer games, long walks, watching sports and have been trying to just forget about symptoms. 

 

I'm going to have to move soon. My landlord wants his house back. i knew it was coming, but I was hoping to be able to finish my taper before having to move. So, I've got the stress of finding somewhere new to live and all the hassle that comes with moving. I suppose it's an opportunity to  make a fresh start. Throw out all the junk that I've been hoarding and start again. Perhaps it will turn out to be a positive thing. This place is tainted with the horrific memory of cold-turkey and hasn't felt like a home for a very long time anyway.

2001: 20mg paroxetine
2003-2014: Switched between 20mg citalopram and 10mg escitalopram with several failed CT's
2015: Jan/ Feb-very fast taper off citalopram; Mar/ Apr-crashed; 23 Apr-reinstated 5mg; 05 May-updosed to 10mg; 15 Jul-started taper; Aug-9.0mg; Sep-8.1mg; Oct-7.6mg; Nov-6.8mg; Dec-6.2mg
2016: Jan-5.7mg; Feb-5.2mg; Mar-5.0mg;  Apr-4.5mg; May-4.05mg; Jun-3.65mg; Jul-3.3mg; Aug-2.95mg; 04Sep-2.65mg; 25Sep-2.4mg; 23Oct-2.15mg; 13Nov-1.95mg; 04Dec-1.75mg; 25Dec-1.55mg.
2017: 08Jan-1.4mg; 22Jan-1.25mg; 12Feb-1.1mg; 26Feb-1.0mg; 05Mar-0.9mg; 15Mar-0.8mg; 22Mar-0.7mg; 02Apr-0.6; 09Apr-0.5mg; 16Apr-0.4mg; 23Apr-0.3; 03May-0.2mg; 10May-0.1mg

Finished taper 17 May 2017.

Read my success story

 

I am not a medical professional. The information I provide is not medical advice. If in doubt please consult with a qualified healthcare provider.

Link to comment
  • Moderator Emeritus

Moving is a PITA at the best of times.  Your attitude about moving at your landlord's convenience is admirable. 

 

Life in a new place could present great opportunities for a home environment that supports having a great pdrug-free life.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.
1997-1999 Effexor; 2002-2005 Effexor XR 37.5 mg linear taper, dropping same #beads/week with bad results

Cymbalta 60 mg 2012 - 2015; 2016: 20 mg to 7 mg exact doses and dates in this post; 2017: 6.3 mg to  0.0 mg  Aug. 12; details here


scallywag's Introduction
Online spreadsheet for dose taper calculations and nz11's THE WORKS spreadsheet

Link to comment
  • ChessieCat locked this topic
Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Terms of Use Privacy Policy