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I'm sorry, Skyler, I don't know why the burst in tinnitus. Maybe time for a hold?

 

Please share the benzo info in the benzo forum, too, with its source.

 

I just went through the series of posts I made in the benzo forum on the CT thread. Everything that is underlined is linked to the source (or in a post that links to a source) so I'm not sure what you are looking for.. There is anecdotal information, like common use in the ER, etc., but I thought this sort of mention would be okay in this context. Would you be more specific?

 

Edit.. I did not have a link for how fast dependence occurs.. could this be on of the references you are looking for? The tolerance withdrawal info is as we discussed on this site. BTW, could you put a sticky for that thread in the benzo forum? I added my own observations as to the reason TRAP closed, but I'm as good a resource as anyone, having been present at the time.

As always, LISTEN TO YOUR BODY! A proud supporter of the 10% (or slower) rule.

 

Requip - 3/16 ZERO  Total time on 25 years.

 

Lyrica: 8/15 ZERO Total time on 7 or 8 yrs.

BENZO FREE 10/13 (started tapering 7/10)  Total time on 25 years.

 

Read my intro thread here, and check the about me section.  "No matter how cynical you get, it's almost impossible to keep up." Lily Tomlin

 

 

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Edit.. I did not have a link for how fast dependence occurs.. could this be on of the references you are looking for? The tolerance withdrawal info is as we discussed on this site. BTW, could you put a sticky for that thread in the benzo forum? I added my own observations as to the reason TRAP closed, but I'm as good a resource as anyone, having been present at the time.

 

Please also post the above in the benzo forum.

 

The Nuggets topic there is for timeless tips.

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Saw this and couldn't resist... Okay, LOL, did not want to resist. It's been a slowww day.

 

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As always, LISTEN TO YOUR BODY! A proud supporter of the 10% (or slower) rule.

 

Requip - 3/16 ZERO  Total time on 25 years.

 

Lyrica: 8/15 ZERO Total time on 7 or 8 yrs.

BENZO FREE 10/13 (started tapering 7/10)  Total time on 25 years.

 

Read my intro thread here, and check the about me section.  "No matter how cynical you get, it's almost impossible to keep up." Lily Tomlin

 

 

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I wish I could be so relaxed..

C/T Celexa and Trazadone on Jan.29th 2014
Prescribed 1mg of Klonopin every 6 hours on Jan.29th
Began tapering Klonopin April 18th..stretching time between doses...at first one hour for 2 weeks then a half hour for app.10 days then another half hour 10days later.
Presently at .25 three times a day..6 2 and 10pm. Trying to stabilize.
Also still taking gabapentin 300mgs 2xs a day..

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Thanks Tezza and Flower, this fellow does not have any WD symptoms!

As always, LISTEN TO YOUR BODY! A proud supporter of the 10% (or slower) rule.

 

Requip - 3/16 ZERO  Total time on 25 years.

 

Lyrica: 8/15 ZERO Total time on 7 or 8 yrs.

BENZO FREE 10/13 (started tapering 7/10)  Total time on 25 years.

 

Read my intro thread here, and check the about me section.  "No matter how cynical you get, it's almost impossible to keep up." Lily Tomlin

 

 

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Hi Tezza, I am feeling the way the frog looks. I now keep the lyrica suspension for 3 days instead of 5 as per Alto and tinnitus continues to ebb. A gradual degradation over the 5 days was causing the dose to change cyclically. But no longer. The noise is now faint enough for me to wonder how I'm going to remember to take QID dosing!! The noise uptick before they were due was an inner alarm clock but no more.

 

YEAH!! Silence speaks louder than words.. and an absence of noise makes for the best sound.

As always, LISTEN TO YOUR BODY! A proud supporter of the 10% (or slower) rule.

 

Requip - 3/16 ZERO  Total time on 25 years.

 

Lyrica: 8/15 ZERO Total time on 7 or 8 yrs.

BENZO FREE 10/13 (started tapering 7/10)  Total time on 25 years.

 

Read my intro thread here, and check the about me section.  "No matter how cynical you get, it's almost impossible to keep up." Lily Tomlin

 

 

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I'm so happy that you found the cause was something as simple to fix as the date of the solution. It's great that the tinnitus is fading. Must be nice to return to a norm. Good for you.

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Yey, glad things are looking up for you!

2003-2011: Paroxetine,Citalopram,Effexor; Aug/Sept 2011: Effexor to Mirtazapine; Oct 2011: C/T Mirtazapine back to Effexor; Nov/Dec 2011: Fast Tapered Effexor - w/d hell; Feb 2012: Reinstated Effexor 37.5mg; June 2012: Dropped to 35.6mg; Jan 2016: Propranolol 2.5mg per day for general anxiety; Feb 2016: Finasteride 0.25mg per week to slow hair loss; 18th May - 8th June 2019: Started Vyvanse 7.5mg and increased by 7.5mg weekly to 30mg (lowest “therapeutic” dose for adults).; 21st June 2019 - 12th July: Cross tapered from venlafaxine brand Rodomel to Efexor (1/4 > 1/2 > 3/4 weekly before ditching Rodomel); 13th July 2019: Cut Vyvanse dose to 15mg; 15th July 2019: Akathisia returned after years of being free; 16th July 2019: Went back up to Vyvanse 30mg

Supplements: Omega-3, Vitamin D, Zinc, Phosphatidylserine 

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The noise is now faint enough for me to wonder how I'm going to remember to take QID dosing!!

 

WOW!!! This is fantastic news! And has important implications for the length of solution potency.

 

This guy and I are happy for you!!! Posted Image

 

RU :)

Fall 1995 xanax, zoloft. switched to Serzone

1996- spring 2003serzone/ xanax/ lightbox.

b]Fall 2003- Fall 2004? Lexapro 10 mg. Light box /4 mg. xanax.[/b]

2004 - Fall of 2009 10 mg Lex, 150 mg Wellbutrin XL % 4 mg xanax

November 2009- Sept. 2011 10 mg lex., 300 Well. XL, 4 mg Xanax [/b

Sept.2012- July 2012 20 mg Lex 300 Well. XL, 4 mg Xanax

My mantra " go slow & with the flow "

3/2/13.. Began equal dosing 5 Xs /day xanax, while simultaneously incorporating a 2.5 % drop ( from 3.5 mg/day to 3.4 mg/day)

4/6/13 dropped from 300 mg. Wellbutrin XL to 150 mg. Difficult but DONE! Down to 3.3 mg xanax/ day / 6/10/13 3 mg xanax/day; 7/15/2013 2.88mg xanax/day.

10/ 1/2013...... 2.5 mg xanax… ( switched to tablets again) WOO HOO!!!!!! Holding here… cont. with Lexapro.

1/ 2/2014.. tapered to 18mg ( by weight) of a 26 mg ( by weight) pill of 20 mg tab. lexapro. goal is 13mg (by weight OR 10 mg by ingredient content) and STOPPED. Feeling very down with unbalanced, unpredictable WD symptoms.

1/2/2014- ??? Taking a brain-healing break from tapering anything after actively tapering something for 1.5 years. So… daily doses as of 2/2/2014: 18 mg by weight Lex, 150 mg Well. XL, 2.5 mg xanax, down from 26 mg by weight Lex., 300 mg well. XL, 4 mg xanax in August, 2012. I'll take it. :) 5/8/14 started equivalent dose liquid./ tabs. 5/13/14 1.5 % cut.

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Thanks RU, JR, SG, and Tezza for your tidings.

 

I'm really glad to be where I am now. RU, I may even try mixing one capsule at a time, or discarding the last dose if I continue to use two. As it is, I mix close to when I take a dose, which then may end up at 11PM.. the fatigue factor. It seemed like the ringing was amping up slightly last night. It's hard to tell what are windows and waves, and what may be deterioration.

As always, LISTEN TO YOUR BODY! A proud supporter of the 10% (or slower) rule.

 

Requip - 3/16 ZERO  Total time on 25 years.

 

Lyrica: 8/15 ZERO Total time on 7 or 8 yrs.

BENZO FREE 10/13 (started tapering 7/10)  Total time on 25 years.

 

Read my intro thread here, and check the about me section.  "No matter how cynical you get, it's almost impossible to keep up." Lily Tomlin

 

 

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well time to get Dragon speaking out. I took a good fall yesterday and broke my wrist. Just missed needing surgery by whisker. Tapering is interesting when you can't draw up the solution, as of course the right hand is the one affected. As I was only a smidgen below 200 mg Lyrica a day I'm taking four capsules of 50 mg. The Requip is a little more challenging because of at the lowest dose. I'm going to try pulling that up an oral syringe to see how I do. I did take liquid diazepam with a syringe and that worked out okay.

 

Does anyone know about oxycodone 5 mgs q4h for pain might affect withdrawal/tapering because the tinnitus I can't take anything. Because of the tinnitus I can't take anything that has an NSAID or Tylenol in it as it would aggravate tinnitus. Okay thanks for reading signed, Humpty Dumpty.

As always, LISTEN TO YOUR BODY! A proud supporter of the 10% (or slower) rule.

 

Requip - 3/16 ZERO  Total time on 25 years.

 

Lyrica: 8/15 ZERO Total time on 7 or 8 yrs.

BENZO FREE 10/13 (started tapering 7/10)  Total time on 25 years.

 

Read my intro thread here, and check the about me section.  "No matter how cynical you get, it's almost impossible to keep up." Lily Tomlin

 

 

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Thanks Tezza

 

Alto.. am I seeing that oxycodone causes tinnitus too? I'm suspicious.

 

The pain is a little better today but the ringing not so much. At least surgery was not needed. Doc says I missed by a 'whisker'. I will be left with a less than perfect arm, but they seemed to think surgery was a badddd choice.

 

Thanks!

As always, LISTEN TO YOUR BODY! A proud supporter of the 10% (or slower) rule.

 

Requip - 3/16 ZERO  Total time on 25 years.

 

Lyrica: 8/15 ZERO Total time on 7 or 8 yrs.

BENZO FREE 10/13 (started tapering 7/10)  Total time on 25 years.

 

Read my intro thread here, and check the about me section.  "No matter how cynical you get, it's almost impossible to keep up." Lily Tomlin

 

 

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Well time to get Dragon speaking out. I took a good fall yesterday and broke my wrist,

 

Damn. That sucks. Do you know which bone(s) you broke? Will physical therapy be a part of the program? Be careful with the oxy. powerful stuff. I'm assuming the doc. knows about your tapering protocol?

 

Wow. Really feel for you Skyler. Sad face :( .

 

RU

Fall 1995 xanax, zoloft. switched to Serzone

1996- spring 2003serzone/ xanax/ lightbox.

b]Fall 2003- Fall 2004? Lexapro 10 mg. Light box /4 mg. xanax.[/b]

2004 - Fall of 2009 10 mg Lex, 150 mg Wellbutrin XL % 4 mg xanax

November 2009- Sept. 2011 10 mg lex., 300 Well. XL, 4 mg Xanax [/b

Sept.2012- July 2012 20 mg Lex 300 Well. XL, 4 mg Xanax

My mantra " go slow & with the flow "

3/2/13.. Began equal dosing 5 Xs /day xanax, while simultaneously incorporating a 2.5 % drop ( from 3.5 mg/day to 3.4 mg/day)

4/6/13 dropped from 300 mg. Wellbutrin XL to 150 mg. Difficult but DONE! Down to 3.3 mg xanax/ day / 6/10/13 3 mg xanax/day; 7/15/2013 2.88mg xanax/day.

10/ 1/2013...... 2.5 mg xanax… ( switched to tablets again) WOO HOO!!!!!! Holding here… cont. with Lexapro.

1/ 2/2014.. tapered to 18mg ( by weight) of a 26 mg ( by weight) pill of 20 mg tab. lexapro. goal is 13mg (by weight OR 10 mg by ingredient content) and STOPPED. Feeling very down with unbalanced, unpredictable WD symptoms.

1/2/2014- ??? Taking a brain-healing break from tapering anything after actively tapering something for 1.5 years. So… daily doses as of 2/2/2014: 18 mg by weight Lex, 150 mg Well. XL, 2.5 mg xanax, down from 26 mg by weight Lex., 300 mg well. XL, 4 mg xanax in August, 2012. I'll take it. :) 5/8/14 started equivalent dose liquid./ tabs. 5/13/14 1.5 % cut.

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So sorry! May it heal quickly!

1st round Prozac 1989/90, clear depression symptoms. 2nd round Prozac started 1999 when admitted to dr. I was tired. Prozac pooped out, switch to Cymbalta 3/2006. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder due to mania 6/2006--then I was taken abruptly off Cymbalta and didn't know I had SSRI withdrawal. Lots of meds for my intractable "bipolar" symptoms.

Zyprexa started about 9/06, mostly 5mg. Tapered 4/12 through12/29/12

Wellbutrin. XL 300 mg started 1/07, tapered 1/18/13 through 7/8/13

Oxazepam mostly continuously since 6/06, 30mg since 12/12, tapered 1.17.14 through 8.26.15

11/06 Lithium 600mg twice daily, 2.2.14 400mg TID DIY liquid, 2.12.14 1150mg, 3.2.14 1100mg, 3.18.14 1075mg, 4/14 updose to 1100mg, 6.1.14 900 mg capsules 7.8.14 810mg, 8.17.14 725mg, 8.24.24 700mg...10.22.14 487.5mg, 3.9.15 475mg, 4.1.15 462.5mg 4.21.15 450mg 8.11.15 375mg, 11.28.15 362.5mg, back to 375mg four days later, 3.4.16 updose to 475 (too much going on to risk trouble)

9/4/13 Toprol-XL 25mg daily for sudden hypertension, tapered 11.12.13 through 5.3.14, last 10 days or so switched to atenolol

7.4.14 Started Walsh Protocol

56 years old

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Sorry to hear about your wrist, I hope it heals soon and pain-freely! :(

2003-2011: Paroxetine,Citalopram,Effexor; Aug/Sept 2011: Effexor to Mirtazapine; Oct 2011: C/T Mirtazapine back to Effexor; Nov/Dec 2011: Fast Tapered Effexor - w/d hell; Feb 2012: Reinstated Effexor 37.5mg; June 2012: Dropped to 35.6mg; Jan 2016: Propranolol 2.5mg per day for general anxiety; Feb 2016: Finasteride 0.25mg per week to slow hair loss; 18th May - 8th June 2019: Started Vyvanse 7.5mg and increased by 7.5mg weekly to 30mg (lowest “therapeutic” dose for adults).; 21st June 2019 - 12th July: Cross tapered from venlafaxine brand Rodomel to Efexor (1/4 > 1/2 > 3/4 weekly before ditching Rodomel); 13th July 2019: Cut Vyvanse dose to 15mg; 15th July 2019: Akathisia returned after years of being free; 16th July 2019: Went back up to Vyvanse 30mg

Supplements: Omega-3, Vitamin D, Zinc, Phosphatidylserine 

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Thanks RU, Mimequest, & JR

 

RU, I have distal radius and ulnar styloid fractures.

 

Alto, the doctor told me I have lost some of the manual dexterity in my right hand because of the fractures. To be specific, my right thumb touches the touches about an inch below the top of my index finger. I'm worried about being able to tap the powder out of Lyrica capsules. Any ideas. I'm using 50 mg caps for now, but worry how this will effect me when I go back to making a solution. Thanks!

As always, LISTEN TO YOUR BODY! A proud supporter of the 10% (or slower) rule.

 

Requip - 3/16 ZERO  Total time on 25 years.

 

Lyrica: 8/15 ZERO Total time on 7 or 8 yrs.

BENZO FREE 10/13 (started tapering 7/10)  Total time on 25 years.

 

Read my intro thread here, and check the about me section.  "No matter how cynical you get, it's almost impossible to keep up." Lily Tomlin

 

 

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I am feeling very anxious due to the oxycodone and would appreciate a response. I was going to take a forum holiday but my recent fall caused a change in plans. I am most apologetic for posting at this time but I'm apprehensive about tapping powder out of the Lyrica capsules to make the water suspension in future. This because my right index finger no longer meets the ball of my thumb.

 

Thanks,

Skyler

 

PS..Regarding the kerfuffle my last post about benzos brought on. Obviously it's best for me to post only on my own thread for the time being. I have spent over a thousand hours responding to posts from members here and never knew I was regarded as so intolerant. To put it mildly, I was blown away. Wow.

As always, LISTEN TO YOUR BODY! A proud supporter of the 10% (or slower) rule.

 

Requip - 3/16 ZERO  Total time on 25 years.

 

Lyrica: 8/15 ZERO Total time on 7 or 8 yrs.

BENZO FREE 10/13 (started tapering 7/10)  Total time on 25 years.

 

Read my intro thread here, and check the about me section.  "No matter how cynical you get, it's almost impossible to keep up." Lily Tomlin

 

 

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I am feeling very anxious due to the oxycodone and would appreciate a response. I was going to take a forum holiday but my recent fall caused a change in plans. I am most apologetic for posting at this time but I'm apprehensive about tapping powder out of the Lyrica capsules to make the water suspension in future. This because my right index finger no longer meets the ball of my thumb.

 

Thanks,

Skyler

Can you use your left hand?

 

PS.

.Regarding the kerfuffle my last post about benzos brought on. Obviously it's best for me to post only on my own thread for the time being. I have spent over a thousand hours responding to posts from members here and never knew I was regarded as so intolerant. To put it mildly, I was blown away. Wow.

 

I 'd let it go. I think it will be forgotten. Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on your point of view, I think it will be forgotten sooner than the wrist will heal.

 

RU

Fall 1995 xanax, zoloft. switched to Serzone

1996- spring 2003serzone/ xanax/ lightbox.

b]Fall 2003- Fall 2004? Lexapro 10 mg. Light box /4 mg. xanax.[/b]

2004 - Fall of 2009 10 mg Lex, 150 mg Wellbutrin XL % 4 mg xanax

November 2009- Sept. 2011 10 mg lex., 300 Well. XL, 4 mg Xanax [/b

Sept.2012- July 2012 20 mg Lex 300 Well. XL, 4 mg Xanax

My mantra " go slow & with the flow "

3/2/13.. Began equal dosing 5 Xs /day xanax, while simultaneously incorporating a 2.5 % drop ( from 3.5 mg/day to 3.4 mg/day)

4/6/13 dropped from 300 mg. Wellbutrin XL to 150 mg. Difficult but DONE! Down to 3.3 mg xanax/ day / 6/10/13 3 mg xanax/day; 7/15/2013 2.88mg xanax/day.

10/ 1/2013...... 2.5 mg xanax… ( switched to tablets again) WOO HOO!!!!!! Holding here… cont. with Lexapro.

1/ 2/2014.. tapered to 18mg ( by weight) of a 26 mg ( by weight) pill of 20 mg tab. lexapro. goal is 13mg (by weight OR 10 mg by ingredient content) and STOPPED. Feeling very down with unbalanced, unpredictable WD symptoms.

1/2/2014- ??? Taking a brain-healing break from tapering anything after actively tapering something for 1.5 years. So… daily doses as of 2/2/2014: 18 mg by weight Lex, 150 mg Well. XL, 2.5 mg xanax, down from 26 mg by weight Lex., 300 mg well. XL, 4 mg xanax in August, 2012. I'll take it. :) 5/8/14 started equivalent dose liquid./ tabs. 5/13/14 1.5 % cut.

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Skyler, there must be some other way to get the powder out of the capsule. A flat toothpick? Pour it on a piece of folded paper and funnel it into the container?

 

We all must accept that disagreements will occur and move on.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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I'm apprehensive about tapping powder out of the Lyrica capsules to make the water suspension in future.

 

Is it possible for you to get it compounded at an apothecary or compounding pharmacy? Perhaps, under the circumstances, you could get a drs. referral to get insurance to cover the cost?? Thinking about you Skyler. You've come so far. I'd be nervous too. Do you have any understanding acquaintances who would be willing to do it for you for awhile ?

 

RU

Fall 1995 xanax, zoloft. switched to Serzone

1996- spring 2003serzone/ xanax/ lightbox.

b]Fall 2003- Fall 2004? Lexapro 10 mg. Light box /4 mg. xanax.[/b]

2004 - Fall of 2009 10 mg Lex, 150 mg Wellbutrin XL % 4 mg xanax

November 2009- Sept. 2011 10 mg lex., 300 Well. XL, 4 mg Xanax [/b

Sept.2012- July 2012 20 mg Lex 300 Well. XL, 4 mg Xanax

My mantra " go slow & with the flow "

3/2/13.. Began equal dosing 5 Xs /day xanax, while simultaneously incorporating a 2.5 % drop ( from 3.5 mg/day to 3.4 mg/day)

4/6/13 dropped from 300 mg. Wellbutrin XL to 150 mg. Difficult but DONE! Down to 3.3 mg xanax/ day / 6/10/13 3 mg xanax/day; 7/15/2013 2.88mg xanax/day.

10/ 1/2013...... 2.5 mg xanax… ( switched to tablets again) WOO HOO!!!!!! Holding here… cont. with Lexapro.

1/ 2/2014.. tapered to 18mg ( by weight) of a 26 mg ( by weight) pill of 20 mg tab. lexapro. goal is 13mg (by weight OR 10 mg by ingredient content) and STOPPED. Feeling very down with unbalanced, unpredictable WD symptoms.

1/2/2014- ??? Taking a brain-healing break from tapering anything after actively tapering something for 1.5 years. So… daily doses as of 2/2/2014: 18 mg by weight Lex, 150 mg Well. XL, 2.5 mg xanax, down from 26 mg by weight Lex., 300 mg well. XL, 4 mg xanax in August, 2012. I'll take it. :) 5/8/14 started equivalent dose liquid./ tabs. 5/13/14 1.5 % cut.

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We all must accept that disagreements will occur and move on.

 

I was responding to Nikki's post in a thread she named Sleep Wonderful Sleep. This first post seems to have been removed (at least I can't locate it). The missing post was the third in which she mentioned xanax by name in 24 hours, and there were a couple of replies to others in which she alluded to feeling much better due to a reason she did not name. (This against the backdrop of the recent reintroduction of imapramine and subsequent responses), According to Nikki, she is in AA and " Caution must be used when prescribing benzodiazepines to patients with a current or remote history of substance abuse." In particular, Nikki reported taking a tablet for ANXIETY, (NOT sleep), the day before, after which she started the thread on sleep, specifically mentioning xanax. The use for anxiety and sleep then got confused and conflated.

 

Before editing my reply, I said she had taken it for anxiety, but to be more consistent with the thread, it was changed to read sleep. Then, with Nikki's post hidden, my reply, then out of context, was presented and subsequently discussed as one that tipified intolerance. I was NOT making a blanket statement about all benzodiazepine use, though I think even very occasional PRN use should be very judicious (Alto, with all due respect, I don't see this as a simple disagreement.)

 

Continued in the next post due to problems picking up html characters.

As always, LISTEN TO YOUR BODY! A proud supporter of the 10% (or slower) rule.

 

Requip - 3/16 ZERO  Total time on 25 years.

 

Lyrica: 8/15 ZERO Total time on 7 or 8 yrs.

BENZO FREE 10/13 (started tapering 7/10)  Total time on 25 years.

 

Read my intro thread here, and check the about me section.  "No matter how cynical you get, it's almost impossible to keep up." Lily Tomlin

 

 

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Subsequent posts in the Sleep Wonderful Sleep thread mention taking benzodiazepines to avoid hospitalization and for severe insomnia. There was NO further discussion of their use for anxiety or their appropriateness in face of other substances of abuse, the concerns over which my post was made.

 

I was ‘roasted and toasted’ for a position not taken, and I’m dumbfounded to have been roundly criticized, hung out to dry. Again, over a thousand hours responding to posts on this forum and this is the result? Most importantly, my ability to make meaningful substantive replies in future is compromised because my credibility has been undermined.

As always, LISTEN TO YOUR BODY! A proud supporter of the 10% (or slower) rule.

 

Requip - 3/16 ZERO  Total time on 25 years.

 

Lyrica: 8/15 ZERO Total time on 7 or 8 yrs.

BENZO FREE 10/13 (started tapering 7/10)  Total time on 25 years.

 

Read my intro thread here, and check the about me section.  "No matter how cynical you get, it's almost impossible to keep up." Lily Tomlin

 

 

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an addendum. The posts by Nikki are there. I thought they were not so referenced my reply because it otherwise seemed difficult to follow. Doing hunt and peck because of my broken wrist AND dealing with the HTML issues is difficult. And I may have solved the html part.. seems the characters disappear when I switch to the full editor. YES!

 

Nikki, I hope not to have done you a disservice. I was sincerely concerned. and I'm unsure of your history.. it's your husband you are concerned about re: substance abuse. Still the overall pattern is disconcerting, and if cussing my name you never develop a xanax issue.. my efforts were not in vain. though I wish I had said nothing, (and not fractured my wrist.)

As always, LISTEN TO YOUR BODY! A proud supporter of the 10% (or slower) rule.

 

Requip - 3/16 ZERO  Total time on 25 years.

 

Lyrica: 8/15 ZERO Total time on 7 or 8 yrs.

BENZO FREE 10/13 (started tapering 7/10)  Total time on 25 years.

 

Read my intro thread here, and check the about me section.  "No matter how cynical you get, it's almost impossible to keep up." Lily Tomlin

 

 

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Just lost the last post because of my wrist..

 

short version. RU and Alto. I will take both of your suggestions into consideration.

For now the pincer movement between my index finger has improved a tad.. hopefully this will continue.

 

Thanks to all,

Skyler

As always, LISTEN TO YOUR BODY! A proud supporter of the 10% (or slower) rule.

 

Requip - 3/16 ZERO  Total time on 25 years.

 

Lyrica: 8/15 ZERO Total time on 7 or 8 yrs.

BENZO FREE 10/13 (started tapering 7/10)  Total time on 25 years.

 

Read my intro thread here, and check the about me section.  "No matter how cynical you get, it's almost impossible to keep up." Lily Tomlin

 

 

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I find it bizarre that this forum is so laid back about the benzos. Also hiding posts and deleting them as it suits one is something I would not have expected and over the top. I get that this is a forum about ADs, but if you keep it so pinpointed on ADs then that is a narrow-mindedness of another sort given the dangers of ADs and all psych drugs really. It's great that there is a benzo section, but it would be nice if benzos were treated as the dangerous drugs they are as well, like we treat the ADs. If not, a person could use benzos to help with AD WD as I did and find themselves in a nightmare situation like I am now in where it will take me years to get off the klonopin safely.

 

WD is WD. There is no safe way to get around it other than cautiously tapering slowly and giving the body time to adapt. Using other classes of drugs to help is utterly insane. I did it and now I pay dearly for it. Had I been warned about it and known the dangers of benzos, I'd likely had not had such bad WD from the AD which was as bad as it was because it was compounded by WD from a benzo that I was using to help with the AD WD. And now I am 'addicted' to it for lack of a better word and have to spend years tapering off of it. So personally, ANY time I see any kind of PRN benzo use being treated without the kind of warnings and caution it deserves so people will know that doing this is NOT SAFE and will likely land you in another jackpot situation, I wonder if this forum in those cases is doing more harm than good. Sure, let's help people get off ADs only to watch them get addicted on benzos and have a whole new hell to deal with, one that's quite frankly more dangerous than most seem to comprehend. But as long as they are getting off the ADs, then mission complete! Those other classes of drugs don't concern us. That's how it has come across to me at times, and I have to wonder about that. Even worse, when there are a few people here that are so highly knowledgeable about benzos and the dangers of them and to see one treated like crap and nobody stand up for her. Well, it's appalling. And summarily dismissing it under a disagreement instead of treating this person as an asset to the forum for the help, time and knowledge they contribute is something I just can't even fathom. But again, if ADs are the only priority here, then I guess that makes sense, though I would think that ADs could be the priority but with a scope that widens toward addressing the dangers of all these 'psych' drugs and cautions people when it comes up in threads so that they fully understand they toy with fire. Anything less is a disservice. I know first hand the fall out and had I been warned it could have saved me the nightmare. I did warn someone here once and that person was extremely grateful. At least I know I saved someone from this hell. Warning all as it comes up should be something that you do here otherwise it becomes a rather dangerous place, doesn't it? Feel free to hide or delete this post or disagree with it. But all of it is relevant and needs to be said.

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No one on this site arbitrarily hides posts or deletes them. Most posts that are hidden or deleted are removed because they are duplicates or empty, or removal was requested by the poster, as so often happens with your posts, Skyler.

 

A mod will pm a poster if there's something so objectionable about a post that the mod thinks it should be hidden.

 

I don't see any posts deleted or hidden in the topic in question. The system keeps track of this. The topic itself was moved from Off-Topic to Symptoms and Self-care here http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/3855-sleep-wonderful-sleep/page__st__30

 

Rather than explaining yourself to Nikki here, Skyler, I suggest you either pm her or post your explanation in that sleep topic.

 

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Please be aware that I prioritize my time to answer questions from newbies rather than keep an eye on seasoned veterans such as yourself.

 

Just taking a much needed break. Thanks for your answer.

 

Skyler

As always, LISTEN TO YOUR BODY! A proud supporter of the 10% (or slower) rule.

 

Requip - 3/16 ZERO  Total time on 25 years.

 

Lyrica: 8/15 ZERO Total time on 7 or 8 yrs.

BENZO FREE 10/13 (started tapering 7/10)  Total time on 25 years.

 

Read my intro thread here, and check the about me section.  "No matter how cynical you get, it's almost impossible to keep up." Lily Tomlin

 

 

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I am very seriously bummed out. Last week I developed cellulitis in my elbow and I'm on antibiotics.. 4 days in. The infection would have been major without them. Specifically, I'm taking Cephalexin 500 mg caps TID. Problem is, they are aggravating tinnitus big time. It was subsiding.. two months + after taking pain medication for a broken wrist. Now, once again, just as the noise was stopping.. off to the races. And this time I can't limit treatment as I did with the oxycodone.. I will get very sick if I stop taking this.

 

Does anyone know of an alternative that would not cause my ears to go ballistic? I just read the following..

 

"Medications that can cause tinnitus

A number of medications may cause or worsen tinnitus. Generally, the higher the dose of these medications, the worse tinnitus becomes. Often the unwanted noise disappears when you stop using these drugs. Medications known to cause or worsen tinnitus include:

 

  • Antibiotics, including polymyxin B, erythromycin, vancomycin and neomycin"
Thanks..

As always, LISTEN TO YOUR BODY! A proud supporter of the 10% (or slower) rule.

 

Requip - 3/16 ZERO  Total time on 25 years.

 

Lyrica: 8/15 ZERO Total time on 7 or 8 yrs.

BENZO FREE 10/13 (started tapering 7/10)  Total time on 25 years.

 

Read my intro thread here, and check the about me section.  "No matter how cynical you get, it's almost impossible to keep up." Lily Tomlin

 

 

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That sounds awful. I'm sorry you're having to deal with this. I wish I knew of any alternatives, but I don't.

 

Do you know which type you have (on Mayo tinnitus info page) ? Just curious.

 

I hope someone else has suggestions.

Pristiq tapered over 8 months ending Spring 2011 after 18 years of polydrugging that began w/Zoloft for fatigue/general malaise (not mood). CURRENT: 1mg Klonopin qhs (SSRI bruxism), 75mg trazodone qhs, various hormonesLitigation for 11 years for Work-related injury, settled 2004. Involuntary medical retirement in 2001 (age 39). 2012 - brain MRI showing diffuse, chronic cerebrovascular damage/demyelination possibly vasculitis/cerebritis. Dx w/autoimmune polyendocrine failure.<p>2013 - Dx w/CNS Sjogren's Lupus (FANA antibodies first appeared in 1997 but missed by doc).

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I'm sorry you're struggling Skyler.

 

I don't have anything of value to add but I wanted to let you know I'm thinking of you.

July 2001 prescribed 20mg citalopram for depression;
On and off meds from 2003-2006.
February 2006 back on 20mg citalopram and stayed on it until my last attempt at tapering in September 2011.
By far the worst withdrawal symptoms ever. Reinstated to 20mg citalopram
October 2012 - found this forum!
Nov 2012 to Feb 2013 did 10% taper, got doen to 11mg - was going great until stressful situation. Cortisol levels hit the roof, hideous insomnia forced me to updose to 20mg.
March 2016 - close to 100% back to normal!



****** I am not a medical practitioner, any advice I give comes from my own experience or reading and is only my perspective ******

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I don't have an answer, wish I did it. That's very saddening.

"Well my ship's been split to splinters and it's sinking fast
I'm drowning in the poison, got no future, got no past
But my heart is not weary, it's light and it's free
I've got nothing but affection for all those who sailed with me.

Everybody's moving, if they ain't already there
Everybody's got to move somewhere
Stick with me baby, stick with me anyhow
Things should start to get interesting right about now."

- Zimmerman

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Thanks Alex, Barb, and Basil.

 

Ugh.. every time tinnitus starts to diminish, some other med comes along. Barb, I'm taking Cephalexin 500 mg caps TID. The infection went from zero to major in two days, quadrupling in size in the last 6 hours alone... it would appear I'm stuck. Taking it does beat being dead. Gosh.. this stuff does make us aware of our mortality.

 

Thanks for listening all.

 

Skyler

As always, LISTEN TO YOUR BODY! A proud supporter of the 10% (or slower) rule.

 

Requip - 3/16 ZERO  Total time on 25 years.

 

Lyrica: 8/15 ZERO Total time on 7 or 8 yrs.

BENZO FREE 10/13 (started tapering 7/10)  Total time on 25 years.

 

Read my intro thread here, and check the about me section.  "No matter how cynical you get, it's almost impossible to keep up." Lily Tomlin

 

 

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