success Hibari: tapering Remeron and want to start tapering Lamictal

[Hibari]

Logs:

 

Saturday, 11/24/18

After a terrible day of shaking, fear and panic, and I decide to reinstate 0.25mgs of Lamictal after being off of it for 18 days.   Had not slept on the night before so have been up for 24 hours. 

Moderators suggest 0.25 mgs to start. 

8:30AM  7.5 mg Thyroid

6:45PM  0.25mgs                       Liquid Lamictal from compounded formula

7:05PM                                         Feel anxiety in my system but not sure if it's the meds.   

7:30PM                                         Dizzy and head pressure.

8:30PM 200mg Mag        

9:00PM                                       Feel some low grade nausea. Feel despair, fear, and depression.  Feel sad I have made my husband a prisoner because I have been so anxious.

10PM      2 Kavinace                 Take them because I am desperate for sleep.

12AM                                          Akathesia stops

2AM                                             Fall asleep

 

Sunday, 11/25/18

Morning Cortisol Spike:        Sweating, nausea, headache, some anxiety but okay because I slept.  Very tired.
10:00AM  7.5mgs Thyroid    (late because I slept in)
11:40AM   200mgs Mag       with lunch
1:00PM                                    Feel spacey and fuzzy in my head
3:00PM                                    Go to bank and store.  Feel sad, some dizziness and nausea
3:30PM

 

 

 

 

[Hibari]

1 hour ago, Hibari said:

Logs:

 

Saturday, 11/24/18

After a terrible day of shaking, fear and panic, and I decide to reinstate 0.25mgs of Lamictal after being off of it for 18 days.   Had not slept on the night before so have been up for 24 hours. 

Moderators suggest 0.25 mgs to start. 

8:30AM  7.5 mg Thyroid

6:45PM  0.25mgs                       Liquid Lamictal from compounded formula

7:05PM                                         Feel anxiety in my system but not sure if it's the meds.   

7:30PM                                         Dizzy and head pressure.

8:30PM 200mg Mag        

9:00PM                                       Feel some low grade nausea. Feel despair, fear, and depression.  Feel sad I have made my husband a prisoner because I have been so anxious.

10PM      2 Kavinace                 Take them because I am desperate for sleep.

12AM                                          Akathesia stops

2AM                                             Fall asleep

 

Sunday, 11/25/18

Morning Cortisol Spike:        Sweating, nausea, headache, some anxiety but okay because I slept.  Very tired.
10:00AM  7.5mgs Thyroid    (late because I slept in)
11:40AM   200mgs Mag       with lunch
1:00PM                                    Feel spacey and fuzzy in my head
3:00PM                                    Go to bank and store.  Feel sad, some dizziness and nausea
3:30PM

 

  

Incomplete logs above:

Here are the completed ones.

Saturday, 11/24/18

After a terrible day of shaking, fear and panic, and I decide to reinstate 0.25mgs of Lamictal after being off of it for 18 days.   Had not slept on the night before so have been up for 24 hours. 

Moderators suggest 0.25 mgs to start. 

8:30AM  75 mg Thyroid

6:45PM  0.25mgs                       Liquid Lamictal from compounded formula

7:05PM                                         Feel anxiety in my system but not sure if it's the meds.   

7:30PM                                         Dizzy and head pressure.

8:30PM 200mg Mag        

9:00PM                                       Feel some low grade nausea. Feel despair, fear, and depression.  Feel sad I have made my husband a prisoner because I have been so anxious.

10PM      2 Kavinace                 Take them because I am desperate for sleep.

12AM                                          Akathesia stops

2AM                                             Fall asleep

Sunday, 11/25/18
Slept
Morning Cortisol Spike:        Sweating, nausea, headache, some anxiety but okay because I slept.  Very tired.
10:00AM  75mgs Thyroid    (late because I slept in)
11:40AM   200mgs Mag       with lunch
1:00PM                                    Feel spacey and fuzzy in my head
3:00PM                                    Go to bank and store.  Feel sad, some dizziness and nausea
3:30PM                                    Cry with a friend
6:45PM    0.25mgs Lamictal
10:00PM                                  Maybe a little calmer from reinstatement but still have anxiety.
11PM    Mag 200mg, 3 Calms Forte
12PM                                       Very agitated from the inability to sleep and relax, Very scared about not sleeping again
3AM      2 Kavinace                 Does nothing

Monday, 11/26/18
No sleep

Morning Cortisol Spike:      Tense, sweating, agitation, adrenaline
5:00AM                                  Husband goes to the hospital for adrenal procedure
7:00AM                                   Lie in bed trembling and fearful, can’t sleep or shut my mind off
8:30AM 75 Thyroid
9-2PM                                     In bed or on couch, tense, head pressure, agitation, anxious, adrenaline
                                                 Call my older brother to consider having him stay with me.
2Pm                                         Husband comes home
3PM                                        Husband has pain attack, help him into bed, my anxiety through the roof
4PM                                        Ambulance is called.  Call my brother to come stay with me.
4:30PM                                  Husband goes back to hospital.  Stay at home in acute state of anxiety.    
                                                 Brother arrives.  Feel depressed and SI over my physical health
5:00PM  10mg Propanol      Does nothing for my anxiety.  Tearful and anxious can’t relax  Listen to rain falling audio track.
6:45PM 0.25 Lamcital          
7:05PM                                    Feel some low grade hyperness.  Side effect of taking medication again?
8PM  Tryptophan 200mg
10PM                                       Husband home, in extreme pain due to adrenal bruising.   Feel anxious about him.  Consider using Lunesta to sleep
10:30 2 droppers of Lemon Balm.  Feel myself relaxing.
11PM                                       Put a dropper of lemon balm in water.  Sip during the night.  Sleep

 

Tuesday, 11/27/18
Slept
Morning Cortisol Spike:    Headache, nausea, some sweating, dizzy, anxious,
8:30AM   75mgs Thyroid    Sip some lemon balm water
9:00AM Alka Seltzer Gold for Nausea
9:30AM  Food                     Have hot flash after eating
10AM-1PM                          Nausea, head pressure, tired.  Feel low grade depression about this process of getting of meds, losing my office and my life stopping.  Anxious over husbands ongoing pain. 

       

 

[Hibari]

9 hours ago, wantrelief said:

I am so glad you were able to feel calmer and get some sleep last night, Hibari.  It sounds like you had such an incredibly stressful day yesterday. I hope today is better for you and also hoping your husband's pain decreases.  Thinking about you - WR.

Thank you WR.  Today was better. I'm fragile but no akathisia. My poor husband has been in such pain all day because of the doctors mistake.  

 

I have felt sad and frustrated and angry today over this whole thing.  I need to find and outlet for these feelings so they dont back up on me. My sponsor jas suggested I write a list of everything I'm angry about and I'm going to do it.  

 

I so appreciate your support at this time.  

[Hibari]

On 11/26/2018 at 2:37 AM, Rabe said:

I am so sorry you are having such a difficult time Hibari...you are so strong and so giving...I send my love and hugs to you..may tomorrow bring even a ray of relief to you!!💜

Thank you Rabe.  I know you are struggling too and it means a lot to get your support.  

[Rabe]

Oh Hibari...you are dealing with so much right now!!!  My heart goes out to you!  It is so hard to take care of others when we can hardly take care of ourselves....and the stress is so hard on an unstable nervous system.  I'm so grateful you found something natural as opposed to a medication to help you get some sleep...that is a blessing!  Would be so concerned about a reaction to something else which you dont need!  I know that when I am more stressed by outside things, in addition to the stress of the WD, I become so so sensitive to meds and foods and odors and everything that at one time was ok.  Just so grateful to hear that your system has calmed a bit and that you are feeling better!  Thinking about yoU!  Hope your husband feels some relief soon!💜

[Hibari]

My pattern continues of alternating between acute wd and a day of feeling relief from acute wd.   

 

I am now in a bad day again.  Nausea, fear, headache,  trembling, dizzy, no sleep and despair. I have some muscle twitches but not like those first 18 days off Lamictal.  

 

While the lemon balm calmed me yesterday, it actually was making me feel a bit nauseous later in the day when I was drinking it in water.  Tried a bit more to sleep but no go. 

 

I also have  either a bite or large pimple on my left cheek. I dont get pimples and it feels like something discharging throug my skin.  

 

Can't rely too much on my husband right now.  

 

I pray there is healing going on during all of this. 

[Hibari]

I could again use mod help.  

 

I am so sick today. Last night was my 4th night of reinstating 0.25 of Lamictal.  I don't feel a difference yet.  

 

I need help in making it through today. 

 

When the symptoms, started slast night I did breathing, I listened to an anxiety track I sipped some lemon balm water.  Nothing seemed to work.

 

But I am shaking like a leaf, I'm dizzy and feel so much mental fear, its overwhelming.  I feel a burning in my arms, legs and stomach.

 

 I can't relax and am lying on the couch with a mask over my eyes before I wrote this.  I have taken 400mgs mag.so far.  

200mg at 4am

200mg at 7am

 

I'm trying to keep myself out of the hospital. 

 

If there is anything you could suggest, please do.  I'm desperate for relief.

 

Thank you. 

 

[Rabe]

Hi Hibari....for me the days are always the worse...somehow I settle better at night...ususally...which is why I am up later cause I feel more normal and it feels so good.  

I so understand the fear and how it escalates.  I am doing some of same right now.  

Look up alternate nostril breathing on the internet...her name is Adrienne...alternate nostril breathing with Adrienne.  It is a calming yoga breathing technique.  The other is the 4-7-8 breathing that they talk about here that i learned in yoga and Dr. Weil has you tube videos for that.  That is helpful...do it consistently...meaning daily.  Use Dr. Weils guidelines...dont want to overdue...cant remember exactly what he said right now but can do so many in a day.

Have you tried a bath?  A warm bath?  Many people use epsom salts?

There are two meditations I like....Michael Sealy(detachment from overthinking) and David McGraw(How to change your brain in 8 weeks) .  You could try those.  

I find sometimes lemon is not good for me.  Maybe warm milk?  

Take care Hibari.  It will get better!!!  I would be concerned about the hospital given my own experiences....hope you can find something else that will help you.  Let me know.  Take care!!! Love and hugs!!!!💜

[Rabe]

and when you breath focus on your belly going up and down and have your exhale be longer than you inhale....inhale 2 and exhale 4, inhale  3 and exhale six....inhale 4 and exhale 8...💜

[Hibari]

Thank you Rabe but unfortunately I am beyond the breathing right now.

 

I think I need to take anothe small dose of Lamictal to see if that will help.

 

Waiting for a moderator to weigh in 

 

Thank you.

 

 

[Rabe]

Im sorry Hibari....I hope you are able to calm....I too am in AA...37 years...have a wonderful sponsor.  Yet when my system gets really really wound up, if I could take something for it and know it would not adversely affect me I surely would.  But what I know is that my system at best is sensitive to everything and at worst so hypersensitive to everything that anything can make it worse eventually...like the alcohol...may work for a while but then it turns on me or it doesnt work but Id keep trying it and others thinking maybe this time it will...or move not to something else hoping that would help me....today I regret not learning coping skills years ago so that I could help myself rather than constantly looking 'out there' for help from something of someone.  Many of the herbal concoctions upend me terribly and it was hard to connect them because it wasnt always right after but I would feel more agitated the next day.  I can only hope that you might continue with calming as best you can, knowing it will pass and you will find a path forward with the help here.  You have had some good moments and sleep along the way here if you look back in your posts.  This too shall pass.  My heart is with you...praying you are able to find some peace today.  

[Hibari]

2 minutes ago, Rabe said:

Im sorry Hibari....I hope you are able to calm....I too am in AA...37 years...have a wonderful sponsor.  Yet when my system gets really really wound up, if I could take something for it and know it would not adversely affect me I surely would.  But what I know is that my system at best is sensitive to everything and at worst so hypersensitive to everything that anything can make it worse eventually...like the alcohol...may work for a while but then it turns on me or it doesnt work but Id keep trying it and others thinking maybe this time it will...or move not to something else hoping that would help me....today I regret not learning coping skills years ago so that I could help myself rather than constantly looking 'out there' for help from something of someone.  Many of the herbal concoctions upend me terribly and it was hard to connect them because it wasnt always right after but I would feel more agitated the next day.  I can only hope that you might continue with calming as best you can, knowing it will pass and you will find a path forward with the help here.  You have had some good moments and sleep along the way here if you look back in your posts.  This too shall pass.  My heart is with you...praying you are able to find some peace today.  

Yes, I don't want to take anything else except possibly another small amount of Lamictal to stabilize me or at least reduce the akathesia.  

 

I have to give my body the medication it is in need of right now and that's all the guidance I'm waiting on. 

[Altostrata]

On 11/24/2018 at 3:23 PM, Altostrata said:

 

No, I would not say anything different. More is not better. In fact, starting at 0.25mg, as Chessie suggested, might be a good idea. Let us know how you're doing.

 

Hibari, we've already discussed how you might reinstate Lamictal. I would use a compounded liquid, if you can get it.

[Hibari]

2 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

 

Hibari, we've already discussed how you might reinstate Lamictal. I would use a compounded liquid, if you can get it.

I did reisntate it Alto at 0.25 4 nights ago and have it in a liquid compound.

 

I am acute wd right now and want to know if I can go up a little more and if so how much?

Also would I then divide the dose? 

 

Akathesia on Monday and now today and it goes on all day. 

[Hibari]

1 hour ago, Hibari said:

I did reisntate it Alto at 0.25 4 nights ago and have it in a liquid compound.

 

I am acute wd right now and want to know if I can go up a little more and if so how much?

Also would I then divide the dose? 

 

Akathesia on Monday and now today and it goes on all day. 

 

 

Just wanted to make sure a moderator saw my response to Alto and could advise.

 

 

[Songbird]

This is the video that helped me when I had severe akathisia, anxiety and insomnia - I did it three times a day:

 

[Hibari]

1 minute ago, Songbird said:

This is the video that helped me when I had severe akathisia, anxiety and insomnia - I did it three times a day:

 

Thank you.  I will listen.  

 

Also, because my mental state was deteriorating so badly, I took my meds early.  

 

I just can't suffer wirh this another 2 hours.  

[Songbird]

5 minutes ago, Hibari said:

Also, because my mental state was deteriorating so badly, I took my meds early.  

 

I just can't suffer wirh this another 2 hours.  

 

By "meds" do you mean just lamotrigine, or are there other meds as well?  Do you feel better after taking it? 

 

Are you still keeping daily symptom notes?  Please post them here.

[Hibari]

1 hour ago, Songbird said:

 

By "meds" do you mean just lamotrigine, or are there other meds as well?  Do you feel better after taking it? 

 

Are you still keeping daily symptom notes?  Please post them here.

I meant Lamictal.   I feel not much better taking it.  

 

My logs up till Tuesday.

Here are the completed ones.

Saturday, 11/24/18

After a terrible day of shaking, fear and panic, and I decide to reinstate 0.25mgs of Lamictal after being off of it for 18 days.   Had not slept on the night before so have been up for 24 hours. 

Moderators suggest 0.25 mgs to start. 

8:30AM  75 mg Thyroid

6:45PM  0.25mgs                       Liquid Lamictal from compounded formula

7:05PM                                         Feel anxiety in my system but not sure if it's the meds.   

7:30PM                                         Dizzy and head pressure.

8:30PM 200mg Mag        

9:00PM                                       Feel some low grade nausea. Feel despair, fear, and depression.  Feel sad I have made my husband a prisoner because I have been so anxious.

10PM      2 Kavinace                 Take them because I am desperate for sleep.

12AM                                          Akathesia stops

2AM                                             Fall asleep

Sunday, 11/25/18
Slept
Morning Cortisol Spike:        Sweating, nausea, headache, some anxiety but okay because I slept.  Very tired.
10:00AM  75mgs Thyroid    (late because I slept in)
11:40AM   200mgs Mag       with lunch
1:00PM                                    Feel spacey and fuzzy in my head
3:00PM                                    Go to bank and store.  Feel sad, some dizziness and nausea
3:30PM                                    Cry with a friend
6:45PM    0.25mgs Lamictal
10:00PM                                  Maybe a little calmer from reinstatement but still have anxiety.
11PM    Mag 200mg, 3 Calms Forte
12PM                                       Very agitated from the inability to sleep and relax, Very scared about not sleeping again
3AM      2 Kavinace                 Does nothing

 

 

 

Monday, 11/26/18
No sleep

 

Morning Cortisol Spike:      Tense, sweating, agitation, adrenaline
5:00AM                                  Husband goes to the hospital for adrenal procedure
7:00AM                                   Lie in bed trembling and fearful, can’t sleep or shut my mind off
8:30AM 75 Thyroid
9-2PM                                     In bed or on couch, tense, head pressure, agitation, anxious, adrenaline
                                                 Call my older brother to consider having him stay with me.
2Pm                                         Husband comes home
3PM                                        Husband has pain attack, help him into bed, my anxiety through the roof
4PM                                        Ambulance is called.  Call my brother to come stay with me.
4:30PM                                  Husband goes back to hospital.  Stay at home in acute state of anxiety.    
                                                 Brother arrives.  Feel depressed and SI over my physical health
5:00PM  10mg Propanol      Does nothing for my anxiety.  Tearful and anxious can’t relax  Listen to rain falling audio track.
6:45PM 0.25 Lamcital          
7:05PM                                    Feel some low grade hyperness.  Side effect of taking medication again?
8PM  Tryptophan 200mg
10PM                                       Husband home, in extreme pain due to adrenal bruising.   Feel anxious about him.  Consider using Lunesta to sleep
10:30 2 droppers of Lemon Balm.  Feel myself relaxing.
11PM                                       Put a dropper of lemon balm in water.  Sip during the night.  Sleep

 

Tuesday, 11/27/18
Slept
Morning Cortisol Spike:    Headache, nausea, some sweating, dizzy, anxious,
8:30AM   75mgs Thyroid    Sip some lemon balm water
9:00AM Alka Seltzer Gold for Nausea
9:30AM  Food                     Have hot flash after eating
10AM-1PM                          Nausea, head pressure, tired.  Feel low grade depression about this process of getting of meds, losing my office and my life stopping.  Anxious over husbands ongoing pain. 

 2PM                                      Listened to relaxing audio tape, try to relax on couch, feel tired

6:45PM    0.25 Lamicattal  Emotional and angry about losss, some low grade anxiety

10PM                                    Try to sleep, can't sleep start to feel hyper and adrenaline surges,

11PM                                    Listen to anxiety audio file

12AM                                    Sip Lemon Balm water ,can't sleep

Up all night

 

Wednesday, 11/2818
No Sleep

Morning Cortisol Spike:   Headache, nausea, akathesia, deep fear, panic

8:30AM  75mgs Thyroid  

All day:                                 Akathesia, panic, nausea, dizzy, fear, no appetite.  Deep breathing does not help calm me down. 

4PM  0.25 Lamictal           Have some food.  20 mins later some low grade hyperness, and then I cry with my brother.  Feel some SI about all of this

 

I know I need to go up on my medication or a medication to stabilize again.   Need guidance.  Will have to contact my psychiatrist for guidance. 

Deep fear right now on making the wrong choices. 
                     

 

       

 

 

 

[Rabe]

I just had meant to that you again for sharing that you have dehydration issues as well...nice to know I'm not alone....and also for sending the link to Baylissa.  I am so grateful for it all.  Take care!💜

[Songbird]

It's possible some of your symptoms might have ramped up because of stress and worry about your husband's situation.  Also worrying about your own symptoms will ramp up your anxiety.  Worrying about things won't prevent them, so there's really no point in worrying.  I've found it helpful to repeat calming affirmations to myself over and over, like a stuck record.  Very simple ones, like "I relax and I let go", and "it's all going to be okay".  When worrying about getting to sleep at night, I found it helpful to repeat to myself "whatever happens I'll handle it".

[Hibari]

While I agree with much of what you have said, I still am in a physical crisis. 

 

I'm shaking all over, I have had the dry heaves and I'm in need of specific guidance on the next steps with my Lamictal reinstatement.  

 

Do I go up a bit more and if so how much?  I dont think staying st 0.25mgs will be enough to stave off their acute symptoms.  I'm okay with going up more, I just need a recommendation on the amount.  

[Hibari]

So last night I ended up taking the following as I know I need to bring my reinstatement up slightly.

 

4:00PM   0.30mgs Liquid Lamictal

9:00PM   0.10mgs  Liquid Lamictal

Total: 0.40mgs 

 

I'm going to hold this amount for the next 4 days to see if I stabilize more. 

 

In addition, to help me sleep.

10PM      0.625 Melatonin

                 375 mg Tryptophan Peptide

 

It was a very tough day and night till I slept.   

 

Today I feel okay but with the usual nausea.   

 

I continue to feel depressed about this whole process and how some of the things my new holistic psychiatrist recommended may actually have have made things worse.

 

Also, the day after my day of akathesia I am very tired.   I'm looking forward to the day when I can be much more functional and then after that fully alive.

                

[Hibari]

19 hours ago, Rabe said:

I just had meant to that you again for sharing that you have dehydration issues as well...nice to know I'm not alone....and also for sending the link to Baylissa.  I am so grateful for it all.  Take care!💜

My pleasure Rabe.  I'm glad the Baylissa link was helpful.

[Hibari]

5 hours ago, Hibari said:

So last night I ended up taking the following as I know I need to bring my reinstatement up slightly.

 

4:00PM   0.30mgs Liquid Lamictal

9:00PM   0.10mgs  Liquid Lamictal

Total: 0.40mgs 

 

I'm going to hold this amount for the next 4 days to see if I stabilize more. 

 

In addition, to help me sleep.

10PM      0.625 Melatonin

                 375 mg Tryptophan Peptide

 

It was a very tough day and night till I slept.   

 

Today I feel okay but with the usual nausea.   

 

I continue to feel depressed about this whole process and how some of the things my new holistic psychiatrist recommended may actually have have made things worse.

 

Also, the day after my day of akathesia I am very tired.   I'm looking forward to the day when I can be much more functional and then after that fully alive.

                

 

I'm thinking I should divide the small reinstatement dose of Lamictal I'm taking into morning and night or afternoon and night to avoid an inter-dose wd

 

If any mods have thoughts on this that would be great.

 

Last night, day 5 of reinstatement, I increased the amount from 0.25-0.40.   As I mentioned above, I plan to hold there for the next 4 days to see if it helps with the acute wd symptoms. 

Just looking for acute symptom relief, as I know I'm still in a withdrawal state. 

 

[Rosetta]

Thinking of you, Hibari.  I'm so sorry this is happening.

[Rabe]

Hope the change goes well for you Hibari and that things get better soon!!!💜

[Songbird]

21 hours ago, Hibari said:

While I agree with much of what you have said, I still am in a physical crisis. 

 

 

Yes, it's a physical crisis, but the physical and mental interact together.  Claire Weekes calls it "adding second fear".   

See: The Dr. Claire Weekes method of recovering from a sensitized nervous system

 

Relaxation exercises can help to calm the nervous system:  Relaxation exercises, guided meditations, calming videos, sleep hypnosis

 

3 hours ago, Hibari said:

I'm thinking I should divide the small reinstatement dose of Lamictal I'm taking into morning and night or afternoon and night to avoid an inter-dose wd

 

 

Divided doses sounds like a good idea, as this is what you had been doing before, and also avoids a spike in blood levels of the drug.  Please post daily notes so we can see how the updose is affecting things.

[Hibari]

13 minutes ago, Songbird said:

 

Yes, it's a physical crisis, but the physical and mental interact together.  Claire Weekes calls it "adding second fear".   

See: The Dr. Claire Weekes method of recovering from a sensitized nervous system

 

Relaxation exercises can help to calm the nervous system:  Relaxation exercises, guided meditations, calming videos, sleep hypnosis

 

 

Divided doses sounds like a good idea, as this is what you had been doing before, and also avoids a spike in blood levels of the drug.  Please post daily notes so we can see how the updose is affecting things.

Thanks Songbird.   Yes, I get that body-mind connection.    I was too physically exhausted yesterday to access my mind.   

 

So I guess I will have to start rolling back a split dose starting tonight.  I'll start with .02mgs now and then another .02mgs an hour later. 

 

Thursday, 11/29/18

Slept about 7 hours

Morning Cortisol Spike:                         Sweating, nausea, low grade headache.

8:30AM  75mgs Thyroid

Better day overall

1PM                                                            Put magnesium oil on my skin

2PM                                                            Felt mood start to drop, think I need to split my doses of 0.40mgs in order to keep a steady stream of medication in my system instead of just on dose at night. 

4PM                                                             Acupuncture session to calm my system.   Cried about losing my office and how hard this time has been.

6:45PM   0.20mgs Lamictal                  Start the process of rolling back a dose so that I will take dose at 8:30-8:45 AM + PM

7:45PM 

[wantrelief]

Hi Hibari - I am so glad you were able to get some sleep last night and that today was a better day for you. 💗

[Hibari]

21 minutes ago, wantrelief said:

Hi Hibari - I am so glad you were able to get some sleep last night and that today was a better day for you. 💗

Thank you WR.  Its amazing what sleep does for me the next day.  

 

Hope you are okay. I will pop over to your thread. 

[Hibari]

Warning: not upbeat 

 

So today I am seriously considering going back on medication.  Not because I think there is something wrong with me or that I have a clinical mental condition but because this recent withdrawal phase is defeating me. 

 

Between the insomnia and akathsia, I have become more and more incompacitated.  And while I do feel better when  I sleep l, there are not enough conistent nights of sleeping  for me to feel better.  

 

The reason I have reached for supplements and sometimes stronger stuff is because I wanted to keep going with Lamictal withdrawal.  But it's like putting together piecemeal relief when I need an on going sense that I have some stability.  

 

I'm proud I got off of Remeron and the benzos, even as I contemplate taking a small piece of Valium to get through todays acute symptoms.  

 

I'm speaking with my former psychiatrist a lttile later to see what my options are.  I know from what I have learned here that I will start slowly on something new or maybe just get more support for the reinstatement of Lamictal I have just done. 

 

I just needed to share my truth here on my thread.  

[Hibari]

The conversation I had with my psychiatrist did not go well.

 

He got very defensive around my explaining my reaction to Lamictal in the fall and dismissed everything I said.

 

He has put in a prescription for Abilify and Clonazapam.   I am not on board with taking it but will get the prescription filled.

 

I am going to continue to go up on my Lamictal to try and find stability.

 

Can anyone help me in how quickly I can increase my dosage?

 

I am now at 0.40mgs and just last night took two divided doses.

 

Can I increase a bit more quickly?

 

For example, can I take another dose amount today and move up to 0.60? 

 

Taking 0.20mgs now, 0.20 in the afternoon and 0.20mgs in the evening.

 

I really could use some help as I am quite shaken by what just occurred on the phone.  

 

 

 

[powerback]

11 minutes ago, Hibari said:

The conversation I had with my psychiatrist did not go well.

 

He got very defensive around my explaining my reaction to Lamictal in the fall and dismissed everything I said.

 

He has put in a prescription for Abilify and Clonazapam.   I am not on board with taking it but will get the prescription filled.

 

I am going to continue to go up on my Lamictal to try and find stability.

 

Can anyone help me in how quickly I can increase my dosage?

 

I am now at 0.40mgs and just last night took two divided doses.

 

Can I increase a bit more quickly?

 

For example, can I take another dose amount to day and move up to 0.60? 

 

Taking 0.20mgs now, 0.20 in the afternoon and 0.20mgs in the evening.

 

I really could use some help as I am quite shaken by what just occurred on the phone.  

 

 

 

Hi Hibari ,my heart and empathy goes out to you ,im in a similar boat ,hopefully a mod is around to answer you ,but from reading on SA it seems the advice is to  slowly increase and see how your body reacts.our want to be well can rush things and make it worse ,please be  calm .

Please take it easy  after the experience with the psychiatrist, you got a shock while being fragile ,im still not well after dealing with one more than a month ago,he put more thorns of ideas in my head than solutions .

Take care .  

[Hibari]

1 minute ago, powerback said:

Hi Hibari ,my heart and empathy goes out to you ,im in a similar boat ,hopefully a mod is around to answer you ,but from reading on SA it seems the advice is to  slowly increase and see how your body reacts.

Please take it easy  after the experience with the psychiatrist,im still not well after dealing with one more than a month ago,he put more thorns of ideas in my head than solutions .

Take care .  

thank you. 

 

I feel scared and trapped by this experience.  

 

When you went back to your full dose of 37.5mgs how did you do that?

[powerback]

Just now, Hibari said:

 

 

1 minute ago, Hibari said:

I feel scared and trapped by this experience.  

Yep me too Hibari ,ive a heavy heart today .

 the decision was made for me ,chemist changed generic brand for the third time in 5 months .

it went from a capsule with tiny beads[aprox 80] to a capsule with 3 big tablets .I was on a  long hold of 6 beads out ,it wasn't a big jump back to a full dose .im very close to a Prozac bridge .its a week on a full dose and im in tatters with tiny glimpses of ok.