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Hi all, so glad to have this forum! I'm currently taking 15mg mirt and gave been on them nearly 3 months. I really would like to come off them due to weight gain and also would just like to be pill free. My question is will it make it easier if I start to come off now then staying on them the minimum 6 months the doctors advise, or should I stay on them for 6 months the recommended minimum time then start tapering. Very confused. Any help will be great, thanks in advance.

Gabapentin 300mg 7 wks on, came off July 2013 after 11 days. Hadn't been told how slow to come off, shear hell.
August 2013 mirt 30mg 6 wks.
Straight onto citilopram,6 wks.
Straight onto duloxatine 1 month,stopped cold turkey fine.
Aug 2014 amitryptaline 20mg,end of Feb came off probably bit to quick. Withdrawal awful 3 wks after so straight onto mirt 15mg.
Just about to start to taper with avenza tabs.
May 2015 15mg. Sep 2015 9.5mg. Feb 2016 6mg. March 2016 5.4 mg. Oct 2016 2.85 mg. Nov 2016 2.6 mg

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Welcome, beautybabe.

 

I moved your post here to start your Introductions topic, where you can put questions about your own taper and updates about your progress, as a type of journal.

 

Weight gain is a common, undesirable side effect of mirtazapine. Your doctors think if you stay on it for 6 months, your "depression" (or whatever brought you to seek an antidepressant) will be treated. Quite frequently, antidepressants are prescribed for situational stress that requires learning coping skills rather than medication.

 

If you go off mirtazapine, you will have to manage your situation with non-drug means, or they will think you need another drug. Are you willing to take that responsibility?

 

Staying on mirtazapine for 6 months will not make tapering off any easier. See Tips for tapering off Remeron (mirtazapine)

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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Thanks for the advice, I'm planning to go to docs tomorrow and see what they say about coming off,still a bit confused about this six month thing and whether to stay on them a bit longer. My problem was sleeping and anxiety got bad, but I now know it was withdrawing from amitryptaline!

Gabapentin 300mg 7 wks on, came off July 2013 after 11 days. Hadn't been told how slow to come off, shear hell.
August 2013 mirt 30mg 6 wks.
Straight onto citilopram,6 wks.
Straight onto duloxatine 1 month,stopped cold turkey fine.
Aug 2014 amitryptaline 20mg,end of Feb came off probably bit to quick. Withdrawal awful 3 wks after so straight onto mirt 15mg.
Just about to start to taper with avenza tabs.
May 2015 15mg. Sep 2015 9.5mg. Feb 2016 6mg. March 2016 5.4 mg. Oct 2016 2.85 mg. Nov 2016 2.6 mg

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Very few doctors know anything about tapering or withdrawal syndrome. It's likely they will insist you stay on it or switch to something else.

 

You might talk to them about "minimizing" your mirtazapine dosage to lessen the side effects. You will need to gradually lower it to do this -- although, again, they probably will know nothing about gradually lowering the dosage.

 

Please read a few Introductions topics, you will see the kind of advice people get from their doctors.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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Great I will look at the these posts. When you say gradually come down do you mean the 10% tapering? Sorry for all questions!

Gabapentin 300mg 7 wks on, came off July 2013 after 11 days. Hadn't been told how slow to come off, shear hell.
August 2013 mirt 30mg 6 wks.
Straight onto citilopram,6 wks.
Straight onto duloxatine 1 month,stopped cold turkey fine.
Aug 2014 amitryptaline 20mg,end of Feb came off probably bit to quick. Withdrawal awful 3 wks after so straight onto mirt 15mg.
Just about to start to taper with avenza tabs.
May 2015 15mg. Sep 2015 9.5mg. Feb 2016 6mg. March 2016 5.4 mg. Oct 2016 2.85 mg. Nov 2016 2.6 mg

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Yes, we recommend a very gradual taper of 10% every 4 weeks, calculated on the last dose -- the amount of decrease keeps getting smaller.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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Well I've been to doctors and he has suggested I cut 15mg in half once a week for a month, if after a month I get withdrawal than he will give me liquid. Can't give me liquid straight away as it is too expensive! What do you think about this as it still equates to me going down to 14mg per night or is this totally wrong?

Gabapentin 300mg 7 wks on, came off July 2013 after 11 days. Hadn't been told how slow to come off, shear hell.
August 2013 mirt 30mg 6 wks.
Straight onto citilopram,6 wks.
Straight onto duloxatine 1 month,stopped cold turkey fine.
Aug 2014 amitryptaline 20mg,end of Feb came off probably bit to quick. Withdrawal awful 3 wks after so straight onto mirt 15mg.
Just about to start to taper with avenza tabs.
May 2015 15mg. Sep 2015 9.5mg. Feb 2016 6mg. March 2016 5.4 mg. Oct 2016 2.85 mg. Nov 2016 2.6 mg

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We recommend a very gradual taper of 10% every 4 weeks, calculated on the last dose -- the amount of decrease keeps getting smaller.

 

See Why taper by 10% of my dosage?

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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OK so what's best make a liquid or get some scales and chop tablets?

Gabapentin 300mg 7 wks on, came off July 2013 after 11 days. Hadn't been told how slow to come off, shear hell.
August 2013 mirt 30mg 6 wks.
Straight onto citilopram,6 wks.
Straight onto duloxatine 1 month,stopped cold turkey fine.
Aug 2014 amitryptaline 20mg,end of Feb came off probably bit to quick. Withdrawal awful 3 wks after so straight onto mirt 15mg.
Just about to start to taper with avenza tabs.
May 2015 15mg. Sep 2015 9.5mg. Feb 2016 6mg. March 2016 5.4 mg. Oct 2016 2.85 mg. Nov 2016 2.6 mg

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See Tips for tapering off Remeron (mirtazapine)

 

My opinion is that making a liquid is easier.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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Thanks for advice. I've work up this morning bit twitchy with little anxiety symptoms, I know what's caused it its the thought of coming off and not wanting to go when I came off gabapentin! My question is, if I feel like this is my nervous system still not calm enough or is it just my own fears, if that makes sense. I wish I'd never been put on that damn gabapentin,its been nearly two years on and its still taking effect!

Gabapentin 300mg 7 wks on, came off July 2013 after 11 days. Hadn't been told how slow to come off, shear hell.
August 2013 mirt 30mg 6 wks.
Straight onto citilopram,6 wks.
Straight onto duloxatine 1 month,stopped cold turkey fine.
Aug 2014 amitryptaline 20mg,end of Feb came off probably bit to quick. Withdrawal awful 3 wks after so straight onto mirt 15mg.
Just about to start to taper with avenza tabs.
May 2015 15mg. Sep 2015 9.5mg. Feb 2016 6mg. March 2016 5.4 mg. Oct 2016 2.85 mg. Nov 2016 2.6 mg

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H8 BeatyBabe,

You can make your own liquid using Avanza SoleTab,15mg.

15mg = 15mls of water.

Then use what you needed, discard the rest.

DRUG HISTORY:

 

November 2013- Zoloft, ( Bad reaction).

January 2014 - March 2014 Seroquel.( Quit Cold Turkey).

January2014- Mirtazapine, I was taking 15mg at one stage, reduced to 7.5mg, Pgad reactions to Mirtazapine. Doctor kept increasing it to 37.5mg, until July 2014. No improvement, experiencing panic attacks, on 37.5 mg. I had enough by October 2014. Began tapering.

October 2014- Started tapering Mirtazapine from 37.5mg.

September 2015- Down to 4mg of Mirtazapine. Crashed.

September 16th- Up dosed to 5mg. Held this dose for almost 5 months. Stabilised.

February 2016- Began tapering again. From 5mg to 4.5mg of Mirtazapine. (Rocking the boat, again)! Lol. :(

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Hi beautybabe , welcome to the site.

 

Please could you fill in your signature so readers can see your history at a glance?

You've mentioned withdrawing from amitryptaline (tricyclic antidepressant) and gabapentin?  

It's helpful if you can show your journey so far.

 

Best wishes , Fresh

1987-1997 pertofran , prothiaden , Prozac 1997-2002 Zoloft 2002-2004 effexor 2004-2010 Lexapro 40mg

2010-2012Cymbalta 120mg

Sept. 2012 -decreased 90mg in 6months. Care taken over by Dr Lucire in March 2013 , decreased last 30mg at 2mg per week over 3 months. July 21 , 2013- last dose of Cymbalta

Protracted withdrawal syndrome kicked in badly Jan.2014 Unrelenting akathisia until May 2014. Voluntary hosp. admission. Cocktail of Seroquel, Ativan and mirtazapine and I was well enough to go home after 14 days. Stopped all hosp. meds in next few months.

July 2014 felt v.depressed - couldn't stop crying. Started pristiq 50mg. Felt improvement within days and continued to improve, so stayed on 50mg for 8 months.

Began taper 28 Feb. 2015. Pristiq 50mg down to 45mg. Had one month of w/d symptoms. Started CES therapy in March. No w/d symptoms down to 30mg.

October 2015 , taking 25mg Pristiq. Capsules compounded with slow-release additive.

March 2016 , 21mg

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I will do, how do I fill in signature, sorry for being thick!

Gabapentin 300mg 7 wks on, came off July 2013 after 11 days. Hadn't been told how slow to come off, shear hell.
August 2013 mirt 30mg 6 wks.
Straight onto citilopram,6 wks.
Straight onto duloxatine 1 month,stopped cold turkey fine.
Aug 2014 amitryptaline 20mg,end of Feb came off probably bit to quick. Withdrawal awful 3 wks after so straight onto mirt 15mg.
Just about to start to taper with avenza tabs.
May 2015 15mg. Sep 2015 9.5mg. Feb 2016 6mg. March 2016 5.4 mg. Oct 2016 2.85 mg. Nov 2016 2.6 mg

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I'm in UK can I get avanza soltab do you know? Is it exactly same as mirt? I presume its on prescription.

Gabapentin 300mg 7 wks on, came off July 2013 after 11 days. Hadn't been told how slow to come off, shear hell.
August 2013 mirt 30mg 6 wks.
Straight onto citilopram,6 wks.
Straight onto duloxatine 1 month,stopped cold turkey fine.
Aug 2014 amitryptaline 20mg,end of Feb came off probably bit to quick. Withdrawal awful 3 wks after so straight onto mirt 15mg.
Just about to start to taper with avenza tabs.
May 2015 15mg. Sep 2015 9.5mg. Feb 2016 6mg. March 2016 5.4 mg. Oct 2016 2.85 mg. Nov 2016 2.6 mg

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Hi BB, welcome from me too.  Avanza dissolves on the tongue so would easily dissolve in water. The only problem will be convincing your doctor to prescribe it for you as they will probably not understand the need for a taper after such a short time on the drug.  They want you to take it for 6 months then would probably have you taper in a couple of weeks!  Alto posted the link on how to make a liquid, many of our members make their own liquid for tapering. 

 

You will find the instructions how to fill out your signature here http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/893-please-put-your-withdrawal-history-in-your-signature/?view=getnewpost

**I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge.

 

 

Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem)

1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat

2002  effexor. 

Tapered  March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads.

Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013

Restarted taper  Nov 2013  

OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015    :D 

Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014

 

Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg  

 July 2017 30mg.  May 15 2018 25mg

Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. 

 

My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33

 

Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible

 

 

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Hi Beautybabe,

Here in Australia,

I have no problem getting a prescription from my doctor for Avanza Soltab.

Avanza iz just a brand name, it is soluble mitrazapine.

It dissolves very quickly in the water.

I have been tappering using this method and it has been very easy.

You can make your own liquid from normal Mirtazapine tablets, the tablets take longer to dissolve. Not sure how things work in the UK if you can get it, it is worth it.

Just tell your doctor you have difficulty swallowing and maybe he will prescribe it for you.

Good luck with it.:)

DRUG HISTORY:

 

November 2013- Zoloft, ( Bad reaction).

January 2014 - March 2014 Seroquel.( Quit Cold Turkey).

January2014- Mirtazapine, I was taking 15mg at one stage, reduced to 7.5mg, Pgad reactions to Mirtazapine. Doctor kept increasing it to 37.5mg, until July 2014. No improvement, experiencing panic attacks, on 37.5 mg. I had enough by October 2014. Began tapering.

October 2014- Started tapering Mirtazapine from 37.5mg.

September 2015- Down to 4mg of Mirtazapine. Crashed.

September 16th- Up dosed to 5mg. Held this dose for almost 5 months. Stabilised.

February 2016- Began tapering again. From 5mg to 4.5mg of Mirtazapine. (Rocking the boat, again)! Lol. :(

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Good to hear about that, Hopefull. Please add to the mirtazapine topic in Tapering.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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Hi all, docs finally prescribed me avenza tabs so I can now start tapering. Docs said to make up by using 100ml water with one 15mg tablet then can do my 10% drop. Is this right as got myself confused and still haven't got to navigating around site properly yet to find this answer out!

Thanks in advance.

Gabapentin 300mg 7 wks on, came off July 2013 after 11 days. Hadn't been told how slow to come off, shear hell.
August 2013 mirt 30mg 6 wks.
Straight onto citilopram,6 wks.
Straight onto duloxatine 1 month,stopped cold turkey fine.
Aug 2014 amitryptaline 20mg,end of Feb came off probably bit to quick. Withdrawal awful 3 wks after so straight onto mirt 15mg.
Just about to start to taper with avenza tabs.
May 2015 15mg. Sep 2015 9.5mg. Feb 2016 6mg. March 2016 5.4 mg. Oct 2016 2.85 mg. Nov 2016 2.6 mg

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Hi

 

Here are some details from the making an oral liquid thread. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/2693-how-to-make-a-liquid-from-tablets-or-capsules/

 

The only tricky thing about making a solution is creating and remembering the concentration.

 

The easiest concentration is 1:1 or 1mg medication in 1mL solution. Examples:

If you want to take 18mg Prozac, for example, you can mix 20mg with 20mL water and take 18mL, which contains 18mg Prozac.

You could put a 10mg Paxil tablet in 10mL water for a 1:1 dilution. There would be 1mg in 1mL and 0.1mg in 0.1mL. The 1:1 dilution would require a small 1mL oral syringe. To reduce 10% from 1.1mg, you would take 1mL. Another 10% reduction would be 0.9mL.

You find a 1:1 dilution to be a little thick or grainy. For convenience, you may wish to make a higher dilution of 10mg tablet in 20mg water for a 1:2 ratio. There would be 1mg in 2mL and 0.1mg in 0.2mL. If you made this liquid, your dose would be 2.2mL (1.1mg). To reduce by 10%, you would take 2mL (1mg).

 

I'm not sure why your Dr recommended that you make 100ml. I have tapered using a compounded liquid which is 1:1. If I want 15mg I take 15 ml, if I want 13.5 (15ml less 10 percent) I take 13.5. I use an oral syringe from the chemist to measure this.

 

Please read through the thread above

 

Dalsaan

Please note - I am not a medical practitioner and I do not give medical advice. I offer an opinion based on my own experiences, reading and discussion with others.On Effexor for 2 months at the start of 2005. Had extreme insomnia as an adverse reaction. Changed to mirtazapine. Have been trying to get off since mid 2008 with numerous failures including CTs and slow (but not slow enough tapers)Have slow tapered at 10 per cent or less for years. I have liquid mirtazapine made at a compounding chemist.

Was on 1.6 ml as at 19 March 2014.

Dropped to 1.5 ml 7 June 2014. Dropped to 1.4 in about September.

Dropped to 1.3 on 20 December 2014. Dropped to 1.2 in mid Jan 2015.

Dropped to 1 ml in late Feb 2015. I think my old medication had run out of puff so I tried 1ml when I got the new stuff and it seems to be going ok. Sleep has been good over the last week (as of 13/3/15).

Dropped to 1/2 ml 14/11/15 Fatigue still there as are memory and cognition problems. Sleep is patchy but liveable compared to what it has been in the past.

 

DRUG FREE - as at 1st May 2017

 

>My intro post is here - http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/2250-dalsaan

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15mg in 100mL would be .15 per mL, or 1.5mg in 10mL. To make a 10% decrease from 15mg to 13.5mg, you'd have to take 90mL. This would be very awkward with an oral syringe, as the larger one is only 10mL.

 

15mg in 15mL -- or 1mg in 1mL -- would be a lot easier to mix and measure out every day.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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Hi all, docs finally prescribed me avenza tabs so I can now start tapering. Docs said to make up by using 100ml water with one 15mg tablet then can do my 10% drop. Is this right as got myself confused and still haven't got to navigating around site properly yet to find this answer out!

Thanks in advance.

 

It is good to read about tapering and wd before you actually attempt it kind of like stacking the deck in your favor.  A signature helps others know where you have been with this drug and others oddly enough it does make a difference I think in how wd will affect you having a history helps others understand where you are.. if you were to read my signature at the bottom here and compare it to others.. it is obvious we are not the same.. so will have different experiences based on our drug and withdrawal history.... it tell you who we are kind of... it also helps others to say hey I am a lot like this person in drug use.. think I read how they did it... 

 

reasons I think signatures are important... ;) peace to you

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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Hi Beautybabe,

I am glad that you have managed to get a prescription for Avanza Soltab.

I dissolve 15mg tablet in 15 mls of water and take the amount that I need.

My doctor also gave me the big number mesaurements which was confusing.

How much are you taking at the moment?

DRUG HISTORY:

 

November 2013- Zoloft, ( Bad reaction).

January 2014 - March 2014 Seroquel.( Quit Cold Turkey).

January2014- Mirtazapine, I was taking 15mg at one stage, reduced to 7.5mg, Pgad reactions to Mirtazapine. Doctor kept increasing it to 37.5mg, until July 2014. No improvement, experiencing panic attacks, on 37.5 mg. I had enough by October 2014. Began tapering.

October 2014- Started tapering Mirtazapine from 37.5mg.

September 2015- Down to 4mg of Mirtazapine. Crashed.

September 16th- Up dosed to 5mg. Held this dose for almost 5 months. Stabilised.

February 2016- Began tapering again. From 5mg to 4.5mg of Mirtazapine. (Rocking the boat, again)! Lol. :(

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Hi all, not sure if I'm in right place, still getting to grips with site!

 

Couple of questions, got soluble mirt from docs so starting to taper from 15mgs to 13.5. Been doing that for nearly two weeks now been OK apart yesterday and today upon waking felt slightly anxious, nothing I couldn't handle. Well question is how likely do ypu have withdrawal doing slowly,is this normal and as long as withdrawals arnt to bad just keep going as I am?

Second question us when you start getting crazy calculations say for example 10.7 or 6.9 do you go up to 11 or down to 10.5. Then 6.9 up to 7 or down to 6.5 or 6. Hot myself very confused!

Gabapentin 300mg 7 wks on, came off July 2013 after 11 days. Hadn't been told how slow to come off, shear hell.
August 2013 mirt 30mg 6 wks.
Straight onto citilopram,6 wks.
Straight onto duloxatine 1 month,stopped cold turkey fine.
Aug 2014 amitryptaline 20mg,end of Feb came off probably bit to quick. Withdrawal awful 3 wks after so straight onto mirt 15mg.
Just about to start to taper with avenza tabs.
May 2015 15mg. Sep 2015 9.5mg. Feb 2016 6mg. March 2016 5.4 mg. Oct 2016 2.85 mg. Nov 2016 2.6 mg

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Hello Beautybabe and welcome to SA.

 

I'm sorry I can't add any links for you but still wanted to greet you. Yes, this is the right place. This is your thread for entering updates and asking questions.

 

It would be good to add your drug history in your signature.

 

In response to your question feeling some withdrawal symptoms is normal after a cut. Then we just wait for them to disappear before continuing the taper. However if they are too intense that 's a sign that we are going too fast and cutting too much.

 

The most important part of tapering is learning to read those sugnals from your brain and adjust your pace accordingly. Therefore we don't follow a pre-established plan and reducing 10 every 4 weeks is a rough guide. Sometimes we can reduce less and have to hold a certain dose longer. External stressors will also play a role.

 

If your symptoms are too disruptive you should consider cutting less next time and definitely hold as long as they don't go away. Sometimes it can take more than 30 days. First few cuts are kind of testing waters and agreeing with your brain on whar feels most comfortable for it. The brain is the main authority and keeping a record of your symptoms together with their severity is very helpful.

 

Regarding your second question, you can round up the dose to whichever figure is the closest.

 

Hope this helps.

 

It' great you are starting your taper so well prepared. Whenever you have any questions, feel free to ask.

 

Are you taking any magnesium or omega 3? Most people find them helpful whem tapering.

 

Once again welcome.

Bubble

Current: 9/2022 Xanax 0.08, Lexapro 2

2020 Xanax 0.26 (down from 2 mg in 2013), Lexapro 2.85 mg (down from 5 mg 2013)

Amitriptyline (tricyclic AD) and clonazepam for 3 months to treat headache in 1996 
1999. - present Xanax prn up to 3 mg.
2000-2005 Prozac CT twice, 2005-2010 Zoloft CT 3 times, 2010-2013 Escitalopram 10 mg
went from 2.5 to zero on 7 Aug 2013, bad crash 40 days after
reinstated to 5 mg Escitalopram 4Oct 2013 and holding liquid Xanax every 5 hours
28 Jan 2014 Xanax 1.9, 18 Apr  2015 1 mg,  25 June 2015 Lex 4.8, 6 Aug Lexapro 4.6, 1 Jan 2016 0.64  Xanax     9 month hold

24 Sept 2016 4.5 Lex, 17 Oct 4.4 Lex (Nov 0.63 Xanax, Dec 0.625 Xanax), 1 Jan 2017 4.3 Lex, 24 Jan 4.2, 5 Feb 4.1, 24 Mar 4 mg, 10 Apr 3.9 mg, May 3.85, June 3.8, July 3.75, 22 July 3.7, 15 Aug 3.65, 17 Sept 3.6, 1 Jan 2018 3.55, 19 Jan 3.5, 16 Mar 3.4, 14 Apr 3.3, 23 May 3.2, 16 June 3.15, 15 Jul 3.1, 31 Jul 3, 21 Aug 2.9 26 Sept 2.85, 14 Nov Xan 0.61, 1 Dec 0.59, 19 Dec 0.58, 4 Jan 0.565, 6 Feb 0.55, 20 Feb 0.535, 1 Mar 0.505, 10 Mar 0.475, 14 Mar 0.45, 4 Apr 0.415, 13 Apr 0.37, 21 Apr 0.33, 29 Apr 0.29, 10 May 0.27, 17 May 0.25, 28 May 0.22, 19 June 0.22, 21 Jun updose to 0.24, 24 Jun updose to 0.26

Supplements: Omega 3 + Vit E, Vit C, D, magnesium, Taurine, probiotic 

I'm not a medical professional. Any advice I give is based on my own experience and reading. 

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Thanks Bubble for the reply. I have put my drug past in signature so not sure why you can't see it? And yes just started to take magnesium and krill oil so hope this will help.

I think I need to get some more syringes as I've got one 10ml for when taper gets lower.

Gabapentin 300mg 7 wks on, came off July 2013 after 11 days. Hadn't been told how slow to come off, shear hell.
August 2013 mirt 30mg 6 wks.
Straight onto citilopram,6 wks.
Straight onto duloxatine 1 month,stopped cold turkey fine.
Aug 2014 amitryptaline 20mg,end of Feb came off probably bit to quick. Withdrawal awful 3 wks after so straight onto mirt 15mg.
Just about to start to taper with avenza tabs.
May 2015 15mg. Sep 2015 9.5mg. Feb 2016 6mg. March 2016 5.4 mg. Oct 2016 2.85 mg. Nov 2016 2.6 mg

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So just to check my next dose down works out 12.15 so do I go to 12 if not 12 then what do you think? Sorry for all questions still getting head around the figures.

Gabapentin 300mg 7 wks on, came off July 2013 after 11 days. Hadn't been told how slow to come off, shear hell.
August 2013 mirt 30mg 6 wks.
Straight onto citilopram,6 wks.
Straight onto duloxatine 1 month,stopped cold turkey fine.
Aug 2014 amitryptaline 20mg,end of Feb came off probably bit to quick. Withdrawal awful 3 wks after so straight onto mirt 15mg.
Just about to start to taper with avenza tabs.
May 2015 15mg. Sep 2015 9.5mg. Feb 2016 6mg. March 2016 5.4 mg. Oct 2016 2.85 mg. Nov 2016 2.6 mg

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Hi Beautybabe,

 

I too am withdrawing from Mirtazapine and I have found that the WD seem to hit about 2-3 weeks after a cut.  My pattern has been, make a cut, feel the physical symptoms a few days later, have about 4 or 5 days of feel okay, blah but ok, then week 2 or end of week 2, the emotional symptoms hit and hit hard  I then feel emotionally terrible, cry and cry for 2 or 3 days and then start to emerge. I have read versions of this pattern on the Internet though the timing is unique for all of us.

 

I too am on a liquid suspension of Mirt and am feeling my way through the cuts but am holding at 27mgs at this time.   I am leaning, as far as cuts, to be more conservative and not round down the next time unless I am feel particularly strong.  I am bad at math so I am going line by line down the syringe I am using. 

 Sept 2013-Apr 2014:  After death of my mom put on as series of meds. Zoloft 6 days, Lexapro1 day, Nortriptyline 10 days, Liquid Prozac 1 week, Cymbalta 1 week.

Got off Clonzapam: 1/2014-9/2014. After given Lamictal, stopped Clonzapam at .125mgs

Completed Remeron taper: 41.25 -0.025mgs  1/2015-4 2017. 

Completed Lamictal Taper: 200mgs-0.05 mgs 7/ 2015-11/2018. 

Clonazapam  December 2018. 0.625 Had paradoxical reaction to Lamictal wd, broke my heart to take a benzo but wasn't sleeping and not thinking straight. 28 March, 2019 -5 February, 2021 .0115 mgai Stepped off of Clonzapam, Benzo Free

Additional Support:  Armour Thyroid 75mgs,  Magnesium Glycinate 300-500mgs, Melatonin 0.25 3 x a week for sleep, Calms Forte as needed.

July 27th, 2022**Severe Setback due to surgery and anesthesia.

9/7/22-10/4/22 Trazadone 50-100mgs for sleep

10/4/22 Remeron 7.5mgs for sleep

10/13/22 Trazadone 1 mg to stabilize Trazadone wd

10/13/22 09-0.07 (using scale)Trazadone 

10/4/22 Rem 7.5mg, 11/20 7.3 12/4 7

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Hi, I've cut my mirt from 13.5 m.g to 12 m.g two days ago and last night haven't had a wink of sleep! My sleep was hit and miss on 13.5 and if I wanted a good night sleep I would have to have a little drink. Not good I know! Should I stay on 12mg and push through or go back up. I have got a bad cold at the mo which isn't helping. I didn't sleep before going on mirt due to that vile gabapentin! Any advise would be great.

Gabapentin 300mg 7 wks on, came off July 2013 after 11 days. Hadn't been told how slow to come off, shear hell.
August 2013 mirt 30mg 6 wks.
Straight onto citilopram,6 wks.
Straight onto duloxatine 1 month,stopped cold turkey fine.
Aug 2014 amitryptaline 20mg,end of Feb came off probably bit to quick. Withdrawal awful 3 wks after so straight onto mirt 15mg.
Just about to start to taper with avenza tabs.
May 2015 15mg. Sep 2015 9.5mg. Feb 2016 6mg. March 2016 5.4 mg. Oct 2016 2.85 mg. Nov 2016 2.6 mg

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Hi cut down Sunday to 12mg from 13.5mg but already finding hard to sleep! When I couldn't sleep on 13.5 would have a little drink them would sleep well, not good I know. Was wondering if I could something natural lime Valerian and hops or lemonbalm with Mertazapine? Am I suffering insomnia as too big a drop or is this normal? Hope I've posted in the right place!

Gabapentin 300mg 7 wks on, came off July 2013 after 11 days. Hadn't been told how slow to come off, shear hell.
August 2013 mirt 30mg 6 wks.
Straight onto citilopram,6 wks.
Straight onto duloxatine 1 month,stopped cold turkey fine.
Aug 2014 amitryptaline 20mg,end of Feb came off probably bit to quick. Withdrawal awful 3 wks after so straight onto mirt 15mg.
Just about to start to taper with avenza tabs.
May 2015 15mg. Sep 2015 9.5mg. Feb 2016 6mg. March 2016 5.4 mg. Oct 2016 2.85 mg. Nov 2016 2.6 mg

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beautybabe, what you have found is that a decrease of 1.5mg from 13.5mg to 12mg (11%) is too much for you.

 

If I were you, I'd go to 12.5mg and see if that helps, then hold there for a while to let your nervous system settle down.

 

You may be a person who needs to taper by smaller amounts, such as 5% per month.

 

Please use search in the Symptoms and Self-care forum for our discussions of valerian.

 

Many people do better with fish oil and magnesium supplements, see
http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/36-king-of-supplements-omega-3-fatty-acids-fish-oil/
http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1300-magnesium-natures-calcium-channel-blocker/

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Hi all, bit of advice please. I'm now on 10.5 of mirt and have been on that dose for just under 3 weeks. First couple of days a bit anxious but then OK. Well last 3 nights have started waking at 3am again and not getting back off! There has been a bit going on around work so don't know whether it's work or gone down bit fast and its withdrawal. Should I carrying on with dose or go back up slightly. Feeling deflated with it all this morning and wondering how I'll ever get off it!

Thanks.

Gabapentin 300mg 7 wks on, came off July 2013 after 11 days. Hadn't been told how slow to come off, shear hell.
August 2013 mirt 30mg 6 wks.
Straight onto citilopram,6 wks.
Straight onto duloxatine 1 month,stopped cold turkey fine.
Aug 2014 amitryptaline 20mg,end of Feb came off probably bit to quick. Withdrawal awful 3 wks after so straight onto mirt 15mg.
Just about to start to taper with avenza tabs.
May 2015 15mg. Sep 2015 9.5mg. Feb 2016 6mg. March 2016 5.4 mg. Oct 2016 2.85 mg. Nov 2016 2.6 mg

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Hi beautybabe

 

My pattern with Mirt, and I've seen it on this site with others, is that the Mirt wd symptoms hit about 2-3 weeks after you made a cut.  This may not be everyone's experience but it has been mine.  I usually have about 3-4 days in the 2nd or 3rd week that feel the worst and then it lifts.

 

Others with more experience about wd can offer you advice on whether to up dose at this point.  I had to do it when I was dropping from about 28mgs to 26mg, it was a tough drop for me so I had to go back up and stabilize.  I then have been working my way down much more slowly than I would like but Mirt is a strong antidepressant.  There are people on this site who have successfully gotten off of Mirt so it can be done!

 

My signature is on the cluttered side but you can see my drops. 

 

HIbari

 Sept 2013-Apr 2014:  After death of my mom put on as series of meds. Zoloft 6 days, Lexapro1 day, Nortriptyline 10 days, Liquid Prozac 1 week, Cymbalta 1 week.

Got off Clonzapam: 1/2014-9/2014. After given Lamictal, stopped Clonzapam at .125mgs

Completed Remeron taper: 41.25 -0.025mgs  1/2015-4 2017. 

Completed Lamictal Taper: 200mgs-0.05 mgs 7/ 2015-11/2018. 

Clonazapam  December 2018. 0.625 Had paradoxical reaction to Lamictal wd, broke my heart to take a benzo but wasn't sleeping and not thinking straight. 28 March, 2019 -5 February, 2021 .0115 mgai Stepped off of Clonzapam, Benzo Free

Additional Support:  Armour Thyroid 75mgs,  Magnesium Glycinate 300-500mgs, Melatonin 0.25 3 x a week for sleep, Calms Forte as needed.

July 27th, 2022**Severe Setback due to surgery and anesthesia.

9/7/22-10/4/22 Trazadone 50-100mgs for sleep

10/4/22 Remeron 7.5mgs for sleep

10/13/22 Trazadone 1 mg to stabilize Trazadone wd

10/13/22 09-0.07 (using scale)Trazadone 

10/4/22 Rem 7.5mg, 11/20 7.3 12/4 7

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You may wish to hold on tapering for bit until your sleep stabilizes. Work stress could indeed be interfering.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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Thanks for replies, I'll hold for a while and see how I go.

Gabapentin 300mg 7 wks on, came off July 2013 after 11 days. Hadn't been told how slow to come off, shear hell.
August 2013 mirt 30mg 6 wks.
Straight onto citilopram,6 wks.
Straight onto duloxatine 1 month,stopped cold turkey fine.
Aug 2014 amitryptaline 20mg,end of Feb came off probably bit to quick. Withdrawal awful 3 wks after so straight onto mirt 15mg.
Just about to start to taper with avenza tabs.
May 2015 15mg. Sep 2015 9.5mg. Feb 2016 6mg. March 2016 5.4 mg. Oct 2016 2.85 mg. Nov 2016 2.6 mg

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